Vox Populi – 10-10-2014

Vox Populi, our weekly chat on the week’s events begins at 7:00 pm PDT tonight! See you then!
adlib 13 days ago
Any truth to the rumor that I heard on the news that you can catch ebola by typing it?
adlib 7 days ago
cough!
adlib 7 days ago
Ahhhhhhh-CHOOO!
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
You there, Ad?
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
Sorry! Here I am!
adlib 7 days ago
I blame ebola!
adlib 7 days ago
Just a quick question. How can I paste a photo into here. been trying
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
Just paste the URL link to the image and it will appear!
adlib 7 days ago
URL link???? que?
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
The URL is the web address that appears at the top of your browser.
adlib 7 days ago
it’s in my photos folder.
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
Then upload it to The Planet and use that link. Here’s the link to uploading your graphic: http://planetpov.com/wp-admin/media-new.php
adlib 7 days ago
I’ll giv e that a go!
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
I have a fever of 103 and been treating myself with massive amounts of marijuana. smiling_imp
Harleigh

7 days ago
Yipe! That could dehydrate you, drink loads of fluids, Harleigh. Feel better!
adlib 7 days ago
LOL actually it’s just a bad cold but I told work it was ebola
Harleigh

7 days ago
Ich ben ein ebolan!
adlib 7 days ago
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
Here it is PPO:
adlib 7 days ago
Cool, PPO!
adlib 7 days ago
neat!
Harleigh

7 days ago
Ad, did you see it? we talked a week or so ago as to my love of the PP!
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
We got 6th in the world Champs with her.
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
Yes PPO, I remember your describing that! You didn’t post the actual link so it appears in my comment right after yours.
adlib 7 days ago
The image of the Pink Panther that is. Quite and achievement!
adlib 7 days ago
Where’s the ‘post’ command in the edit page?
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
hey slm!
Harleigh

7 days ago
So how cool is it to have the Voter ID laws struck down in Wisconsin and TX?!
adlib 7 days ago
hi harleigh, ad and pink
sillylittleme

7 days ago
pink – nice sailboat
sillylittleme

7 days ago
Hiya, SLM. Memories……… young, fit slim. I was almost like that, once!
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
so far this week has been good for progressives for voting and declining to interfere with marraige equailty also too!
Harleigh

7 days ago
Harleigh, yes, not a bad week for the white hats.
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
BRB caffeine time.
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
PPO – The URL for the graphic you uploaded is on the right side of the page you linked to in your comment, just look for the URL box and you’ll see it!
adlib 7 days ago
ad – was more excited for marriage equality win…
sillylittleme

7 days ago
Harleigh – Pat Robertson has got to be heavily medicating tonight!
adlib 7 days ago
My wife and I vote by mail here. Signed up for it two years at a time.
Harleigh

7 days ago
harleigh – hope you get better soon, mj cures everything but the common cold sunglasses passing a doobie
sillylittleme

7 days ago
I hope he gets killed by a big load of dinosaur shit.
Harleigh

7 days ago
Hey slm! I’m very happy about the marriage equality rulings but I thought that was inevitable. The Voter ID laws though, I’m surprised the RW on the SCOTUS didn’t get enough votes to keep them in place.
adlib 7 days ago
Only 3!!!!!!!!!
Harleigh

7 days ago
I would have bet 5 -4
Harleigh

7 days ago
ad – Pat Robertson is a buffoon still shilling for the lord (who he perceives himself to be)…
sillylittleme

7 days ago
Harleigh – Can’t recall which state it is but one state for sure won’t count absentee votes without also going through a Voter ID process.
adlib 7 days ago
harleigh – my 90 year old mom votes in your county, she’ll be supporting Crist…
sillylittleme

7 days ago
SLM I meant to thank you on your music esp 2 of my favs, Laura Branigan – Gloria and KC – Boogie shoes! Love those tunes.
Harleigh

7 days ago
Harleigh – Agreed, I would have thought 5-4 too! Some SCOTUS judge took his prozac!
adlib 7 days ago
harleigh – Laura died so young and well who doesn’t get up and boogie for kc…
sillylittleme

7 days ago
I loved Laura…. almost as much as you LMAO
Harleigh

7 days ago
ad – maybe there is more behind the scene that we would know if they would deliberate in public…
sillylittleme

7 days ago
harleigh – why do the good always seem to die young, but pure evil lasts forever?
sillylittleme

7 days ago
I wish I had that answer.
Harleigh

7 days ago
slm, wish I could see the expression on Pat Robertson’s face when he realizes he’s just died and Satan is shaking his hand.
adlib 7 days ago
I wanna see his face when he gets fucking swallowed by jebus’ dinosaur!! muhahaha
Harleigh

7 days ago
ad – I doubt there’ll be handshaking more like hot poker time…
sillylittleme

7 days ago
hi glenn – how was your week?
sillylittleme

7 days ago
slm – I sure am curious about what the deliberations were on Voter ID and which of the Fecal Five on the SCOTUS grew a nub of a consceince.
adlib 7 days ago
roberts was one!!!
Harleigh

7 days ago
Howdy everyone!
glenn

7 days ago
ad – If I had to guess, I’ll go with Roberts and one of his two faces
sillylittleme

7 days ago
hey glenn
Harleigh

7 days ago
Maybe Satan will welcome Pat Robertson to hell by forcing him to marry Hitler.
adlib 7 days ago
Hi, glenn.
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
Hey Harleigh, how are you doing?
glenn

7 days ago
Hey glenn!!!
adlib 7 days ago
Hi PPO, how’s everything down under?
glenn

7 days ago
ad – saddam already has that honor smiling_imp
sillylittleme

7 days ago
Hey AdLib, how are you?
glenn

7 days ago
isn’t it a poke in the eye for the Taliban that Malala got the Nobel Prize? Shows that not all Muslims are feral fundamentalists!
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
Pat in a 3way with saddam and hitler. perfect.
Harleigh

7 days ago
So…here in the peachtree state, the SOS has “lost” over 4000 voter registrations. Hmmm….need I mention he’s a republican?
glenn

7 days ago
Glenn, Spring horse racin carnival on now. At least its a change from the endless Aussie Football!
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
Pink – it is a poke in the eye to all suppressive governments
sillylittleme

7 days ago
glenn – who would have guessed?
sillylittleme

7 days ago
PPO–sounds like fun!
glenn

7 days ago
Pat Robertson is next!

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adlib 7 days ago
ad – he has many admirers
sillylittleme

7 days ago
SLM–not me!
glenn

7 days ago
I remember those! LOLOLOL
Harleigh

7 days ago
It’s also the weekend they run the Bathurst 100 race for V* Supercars. If yoou’ve never seen this, check it out!
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
sorry, V8 Supercars
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
south park is such a smart show!!
sillylittleme

7 days ago
PPO–fast horses, fast cars–any other “fast” things?
glenn

7 days ago
Women!
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
hey kt
sillylittleme

7 days ago
glenn – Fast and furious? wink
adlib 7 days ago
PPO–Hmmm, I thought so!
glenn

7 days ago
Hey KT!
adlib 7 days ago
Ad–good one–ask PPO if they’re also furious!
glenn

7 days ago
BTW I had my wife’s permission to say that!
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
Hey folks! BRB! I just checked to see if I could log in now. I had problems earlier.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
Hey, KT. Glad you’re about.
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
pink – well that makes it alright laughing
sillylittleme

7 days ago
PPO–Good to know you check with your wife first!
glenn

7 days ago
BRB
killgoretrout

7 days ago
BRB
killgoretrout

7 days ago
sounds like ‘sporking’. It’s like spooning but involves biting followed by angry sex! LMAO
Harleigh

7 days ago
glenn – she made him say that…
sillylittleme

7 days ago
More than my life’s worth not to! smiley
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
harleigh…..
sillylittleme

7 days ago
hehehe
Harleigh

7 days ago
Harleigh–oh my!
glenn

7 days ago
Anyone else think that Leon Paneta should win the Nobel Prize for Total Douche?
adlib 7 days ago
ad – for total liar
sillylittleme

7 days ago
he is the nozzle
Harleigh

7 days ago
Ad, yes! What a useless cretin to bit POTUS’ hand
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
Ad–what is this with piling on the President lately?
glenn

7 days ago
glenn November is almost here!
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
Hey Murph, are you really here?
glenn

7 days ago
I think it’s a ploy.
Harleigh

7 days ago
glenn – when did it stop? this is just more of the same benghazi
sillylittleme

7 days ago
hey murph
Harleigh

7 days ago
hey murph – are you going to the rally in ferguson this weekend?
sillylittleme

7 days ago
SLM–you’re right. I meant “piling on” by Dems.
glenn

7 days ago
BRB
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
glenn – they are running for office and pulling an al gore all the way
sillylittleme

7 days ago
hey kes
sillylittleme

7 days ago
glenn – The President’s numbers are down, Leon is pushing his book and like all douche’s is trying to create controversy to sell his book. Hey, can he also be nominated for Most Unsupporting in a Prostituting Role? Add to that he is a close Clinton crony and carrying water for them by trying to seperate Obama from the “smart” Clintonites.
adlib 7 days ago
SLM–I truly don’t get it. There are so many good things that Dems can run on; the deficit is down, Obamacare is working; unemployment is at a level lower than mittromney said he would get it; yet Dems seem to be running away from allthat!
glenn

7 days ago
Hello from me in mesoure…..
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
hey murph
Harleigh

7 days ago
Hey Murph! How are things in MO…or Larry or Curly for that matter.
adlib 7 days ago
glenn – don’t get it, perhaps they too realize that the reagan revolution is about to end…
sillylittleme

7 days ago
Hey, SLM and friends! Was just skimming earlier comment to catch up. How is everyone?
kesmarn

7 days ago
Ad–I would cast my vote for panetta to be nominated for Most Unsupporting in a Prostituting Role. I don’t care how much of a Clintonite you are; President Obama can’t run again, so why not support him?
glenn

7 days ago
Hello Planeteers!
sabreen60

7 days ago
I think Grimes should have stayed on meddage with women and HC to ditch mitch
Harleigh

7 days ago
message
Harleigh

7 days ago
hey sabreen
sillylittleme

7 days ago
Hi sabreen
Harleigh

7 days ago
hi kes! lol
Harleigh

7 days ago
Hey Sabreen!
glenn

7 days ago
glenn – It’s definitely misguided but very much based on the narrow issue of Obama’s approval numbers. They’re low so the moronic Dems out there are running away from any connection to his policies…which include some very good things going on. It’s so stupid. Kind of like when Gore ran away from all the great economic news under Clinton.
adlib 7 days ago
harleigh – did you see about the turtle’s interview with the most popular sports radio jock?
sillylittleme

7 days ago
Hey Sabreen!
adlib 7 days ago
no
Harleigh

7 days ago
harleigh – he had a coakley/schilling moment…
sillylittleme

7 days ago
Ad–maybe I”m naive, but isn’t it the Dems “responsibility” to help get the President’s approval ratings up? That way, they have a strong platform on which to run. SMH
glenn

7 days ago
Ad…things are not good here…..I feel like St Louis and its innter suburbs are on the edge of a precipice….there is so much anger…so much hatred…so much fear….
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Rumor has it that Panetta’s job is to distance Hillary from the Prez on policy and set her up for her own run.
kesmarn

7 days ago
Harleigh – I’ve really become a bit disappointed in the pandering that Grimes has been doing, refusing to even say that she voted for Obama. Yes, there are a lot of KY folks who are that small minded, that such things would alienate them from voting for her but they’re already voting for Turtle Poop anyway.
adlib 7 days ago
I would like to see mitch in front of Hope Solo giving her his conescending smarmy view on women…. just before she knocke his fuckin haid off.
Harleigh

7 days ago
Hey Kes–but where would Hillary be without President Obama nominating her for SOS?
glenn

7 days ago
Good question, glenn.
kesmarn

7 days ago
glenn – You’re not naive at all, you’re just a loyal, big picture thinker. These Dems are so small minded and are paving a path to their defeat, thinking they’re protecting themselves. They won’t win by hiding their Dem membership in a sock drawer, they’ll win by putting it on and touting all the good Dems have done and want to do.
adlib 7 days ago
murph – you don’t think the weekend rally will help?
sillylittleme

7 days ago
Ad–I’m disappointed in Grimes lately, too. However, she’s still miles ahead of the turtle.
glenn

7 days ago
I am praying to baby jebus for a Palin-Bachmann ticket. come git yer screech on.
Harleigh

7 days ago
SLM…the several rallies and marches will not help to soothe the growing sense that Wilson will be getting away with murder.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Has Hillary been out and about supporting Dems for the Nov election?
sabreen60

7 days ago
murph – can you blame them?
sillylittleme

7 days ago
Kes–thanks. This is why I have hesitation about HIllary. She does seem to be like a candle in the wind, and blows whichever way she thinks the wind is blowing.
glenn

7 days ago
Everyday there are images of police acting as bullies, and jack booted thugs…every image reinforces the anger of our crowds.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Hey, Sabreen! I haven’t seen any coverage of Hillary doing much campaigning for Dems. I think Bill has.
kesmarn

7 days ago
glenn, I read somewhere Hillary said she may be amenable to gutting some of “Obamacare”.
sabreen60

7 days ago
sabreen – she’s being a grandmom for a bit
sillylittleme

7 days ago
glenn, yesterday I read an article on Vox (the website) about Hillary’s senior thesis on Saul Alinsky. Had to wonder what ever happened to that younger, more progressive version of her?
kesmarn

7 days ago
Waht about FLipper rearing his orange face again. good or bad?
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
PPO–is the flipper the mittster?
glenn

7 days ago
Yup!
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
kes – money is toxicating, many have left their principles behind for green
sillylittleme

7 days ago
And then label it “maturing,” SLM!
kesmarn

7 days ago
Sabreen–It wouldn’t surprise me that Hillary would gut some of Obamacare. I think my biggest issue with her is I just don’t trust her.
glenn

7 days ago
Evenin’ my American friends!
beatlex

7 days ago
SLM. It’s more the power , but the green does help!
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
the amazing cryin cheeto rides again on benghazi ans aca gov’t shutdown. wtf?
Harleigh

7 days ago
Pink – he will always be schitt fockme to me
sillylittleme

7 days ago
Murph, I think the protesters have shown great restraint. I heard one young say that this is not your father’s civil rights movement. I have been saying all along, there is no MLK, Jr. The young people really aren’t in to turning the other cheek, but I think the vast majority have really been keeping it together.
sabreen60

7 days ago
Hey, Beatlex! How are you this Friday evening?
kesmarn

7 days ago
Hey Bealex–how goes it?
glenn

7 days ago
hey beatlez
sillylittleme

7 days ago
x
sillylittleme

7 days ago
hi beatlex!
Harleigh

7 days ago
and ozzie
beatlex

7 days ago
Murph – That’s what I was afraid of. The transparent agenda of McCulloch to prevent the arrest and trial of Darren Wilson is the same as pouring gasolline over the whole city. I think he may succeed with his grand jury ploy and then all hell will break loose.
adlib 7 days ago
Hey Beatlex!
adlib 7 days ago
Hiya Beatlex!
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
Beatlex did you have any trouble crossing the border to get here?
Harleigh

7 days ago
Sabreen and Murph–I thought the symphony protest was one of the best protests I have ever seen!
glenn

7 days ago
Had a VERY long day,working out of town
beatlex

7 days ago
Hey Kes! My browser crashed and missed you popping in! Howdy!
adlib 7 days ago
glenn – loved it, so did many of the symphony’s members
sillylittleme

7 days ago
That got airtime all over the place, glenn. And the orchestra was really sympathetic.
kesmarn

7 days ago
Missed that, dammit. Where can I check the protest out?
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
Hey AdLib! It’s been a crashy kinda day today!
kesmarn

7 days ago
And when all hell breaks loose McCulloch’s allies will point at the crowds and say….”see, these are the kind of people who produced that thug who nearly killed a good cop.”
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
glenn, boy do I get weird stuff. I wasn’t around last week because I was in urgent care overnight. I had heard of people getting kidney stones, but I had a stone in a salavery gland. My face looked as though I had been hit by Muhammad Ali. It was awful.
sabreen60

7 days ago
Hi Beatlex!
sabreen60

7 days ago
Harleigh,I have not been to the US in many years
beatlex

7 days ago
oh geez
Harleigh

7 days ago
Ouch, Sabreen! How did they get that stone out?
kesmarn

7 days ago
Wow, Sab. Never heard of that, Sounds Nasty, but I hope you’re OK now.
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
PPO–just google Micheal Brown St. Louis symphony protest–you should get numerous hits. Of course, some other more tech savy Planeteer can probably provide with you a link.
glenn

7 days ago

sillylittleme

7 days ago
Sabreen–holy cow! Are you okay now?
glenn

7 days ago
Nah, that’s fine, glenn. I’ll check it out. It is very limiting what we get here from the US.
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
Kes – You said it! I need higher crash insurance, would have used up my policy tonight!
adlib 7 days ago
beatlex you’re not missing much.
Harleigh

7 days ago
Sabreen,that had to hurt,are you OK now
beatlex

7 days ago
sabreen – hope you’re feeling better
sillylittleme

7 days ago
SLM…I was at Powell Hall last week when the protest happened.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Murph–was it as awesome in person as it was on video?
glenn

7 days ago
murph – it must have been moving
sillylittleme

7 days ago
PPO–see I told you a Planeteer would oblige. Check out the video–it’s awesome!
glenn

7 days ago
kes, This is gross – but you asked. The next day after being pumped with antibiotics, steriods and pain mediciene, I went back to my ENT. I had a hole on the inside of my cheek. He massaged my face and the stone popped out through the hole. I had a CT scan so he knew it was in there.
sabreen60

7 days ago
Murph – Yep, but the resulting madness and the eventual trial and conviction of Wilson by the DoJ will confirm that McColloch will have blood on his hands from the violence that he is inciting and for Michael Brown who was murdered in cold blood by the police force he is protecting.
adlib 7 days ago
Yeah well we have to be more vigilant about young black men armed with, skittles, cigars and sandwiches ya know!
Harleigh

7 days ago
ad – justice will be served… eventually
sillylittleme

7 days ago
glenn and slm…it was very well done, the orchestra responded in kind, most of the audience was respectful and somber, the conductor waved off the ushers, the few who objected were quickly hushed…IF that spirit could be bottled then I would have no fear but I do not think it can be.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Sabreen – Holy Mackeral! That sounds awful! So sorry you had to go through that but very glad it came out and you’re on the mend.
adlib 7 days ago
Yeah, folks. I’m ok. Still taking oral antibiotics and feeling much better. That pain was awful.
sabreen60

7 days ago
Harleigh–I’m not sure about the “sandwich” defense. There was a gun found at the scene, wasn’t there? I know it could have been planted, but then again….
glenn

7 days ago
awesome murph
Harleigh

7 days ago
Just seen it, thank you all. WOW! What a powerful stand.
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
Sabreen, that’s kinda what I expected to hear. LOL! Not to worry about the gross factor. I am a nurse after all. (Or at least still have my license!)
kesmarn

7 days ago
Who here thinks that there will be no charges brought against the cop who killed Michael Brown? The prosecuter seems to be trying to avoid that
beatlex

7 days ago
Ad….McColloch is elected by a white population….most are angry at having lost their city, or they are now in what is now the suburbs and used to be their small town…and are angry about that.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Beatlex, surely negligent homicide, at the very least?
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
He’ll get off by virtue of a planted throwaway gun.
Harleigh

7 days ago
slm – But racists and apologists like McColloch insist on a trail of violence and destruction in order to reach justice. He should be removed ASAP.
adlib 7 days ago
Murph–I did love the expression on that one woman’s face! That was priceless! Nice to know that the orchestra was respectful.
glenn

7 days ago
ad – if that were the case, the list would be very long…
sillylittleme

7 days ago
glenn – I hope her kids see it at some point and ridicule her
sillylittleme

7 days ago
Beatlex–I don’t think there will be any charges against Wilson. However, I hope once that happens, we aren’t faced with another Rodney King riot.
glenn

7 days ago
I don’t know Oz,but it seems to me the prosecuter wants no charges brought.Why was the cop allowed to testify for 4 hours? That does not happen often as far as I know
beatlex

7 days ago
Beatlex – I think the whole scheme of McCulloch taking it to a Grand Jury and stalling them for so long is to get Wilson off without any charge close to murder or manslaughter. Will he succeed? I don’t know but it’s very possible since that Grand Jury could be stacked with a lot of racist white people.
adlib 7 days ago
Beatlex, when McColloch decided to go with a grand jury rather than charging Wilson with a crime I thought that this is not going to be good. BTW, I saw some Cardinal fans with Darren Wilson signs and later someone is making t-shirts that say “We are Darren Wilson”. I guess I will never understand the mentality.
sabreen60

7 days ago
SLM–I hope her anyone who knows her ridicules her!
glenn

7 days ago
Glenn,I think you are right
beatlex

7 days ago
b – I for one would want him to answer a LOT of questions!!!!
sillylittleme

7 days ago
Sabreen,I saw that,it is disgusting to me
beatlex

7 days ago
More than half a million has been raised for Wilson….on line…where some of the most offensive racism can be found in print.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
sabreen most of us will never understand bagger mentality.
Harleigh

7 days ago
murph – find them all and ship them to syria…
sillylittleme

7 days ago
harleigh – hear, hear or here, here (which is more appropriate)
sillylittleme

7 days ago
That’s what I’ve been saying too, SLM. If those T-baggers are itching for a fight, let ‘em go to Syria.
kesmarn

7 days ago
Murph–why is that money being raised? So far Wilson hasn’t been charged with anything, has he? So, why does he need money? Doesn’t he still have his job, too? What does he need money for? WTH is wrong with these people? That last question is a rhetorical one, BTW.
glenn

7 days ago
kes – it would help them get some perspective on the world
sillylittleme

7 days ago
Murph – Right, I understand that the officials are all elected by the white minority and that the blatant racism is only growing. But unless they want to learn the story first hand as to why George Custer lost The Battle of Little Big Horn, they better reconsider their hatred of the majority of people in their town.
adlib 7 days ago
glenn – spot on
sillylittleme

7 days ago
It would, SLM. And maybe a visit from Malala to Ferguson would be in order too.
kesmarn

7 days ago
ad – they don
sillylittleme

7 days ago
‘t want to acknowledge history
sillylittleme

7 days ago
I don’t know if the young man had a gun or not. But the video I saw of him in the store showed his pants damn near around his knees. Seriously, where was he carrying a gun? He had on a thin t-shirt and his pants were hanging way down on his butt.
sabreen60

7 days ago
kes – without a doubt!!
sillylittleme

7 days ago
HAHAHA those baggers in a gunfight would fold like the cowards they are in less than a day. Can you just imagine one of those fatassed doughnut cops walking in the desert.
Harleigh

7 days ago
Kes – The sad thing is that Ferguson, like other particular parts of the country, have a society that resembles a 3rd World country.
adlib 7 days ago
Glenn- Go Fund Me had a defense fund on its site. It has now shut down but not before a lot of money was raised.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
‘Zactly, Harleigh! They would be crying for their momma’s within 48 hours.
kesmarn

7 days ago
Murph–so does Wilson get to keep all the money?
glenn

7 days ago
Ad….Custer lost but the white settlers won and native Americans were the big losers in the end.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
kes – I don’t think it will take that long
sillylittleme

7 days ago
Right, AdLib. Ferguson is 3rd world. Tribal white folks.
kesmarn

7 days ago
Murph–IOW–shoot an unarmed black teenager–become rich!
glenn

7 days ago
Glenn….the money goes to a fund controlled by his friends.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Harleigh – I would love to see how brave these cops would be if Ferguson citizens armed themselves like Cliven Bundy’s militia loons. And they were never tear gassed or arrested.
adlib 7 days ago
ad – but for them that was justified
sillylittleme

7 days ago
Murph–okay, I’ll bite. What are the friends doing with the money? Not that I feel sorry for any of the fools who donated, but what is happening with the money? Show me the money!
glenn

7 days ago
Harleigh, make no mistake there are plenty of guns in black communities. That’s why I said I think the protesters – especially the young ones have used a great amount of restraint.
sabreen60

7 days ago
Glenn….that question is one of the reasons the appeal ended…..
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Murph – Not a direct match for Ferguson, in fact, just the opposite. Native Americans were on a path to having a shrinking population while the white population was booming. It’s the other way around in Ferguson, blacks are outnumbering whites so the eventual outcome after Little Bighorn would be reversed in this case.
adlib 7 days ago
murph – who shut it down?
sillylittleme

7 days ago
Murph–ahhh–so no one knows, right?
glenn

7 days ago
glenn, they’re probably donating a chunk of it to the NRA.
kesmarn

7 days ago
Kes–and sending flag pins to the donors, because nothing says “patriot” like a flag pin!
glenn

7 days ago
Ad….true, but the power differential is very significant.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
A flag pin and an AR-15 — makes yuh a real ‘Murrikan.
kesmarn

7 days ago
glenn – a made in china flagpin
sillylittleme

7 days ago
kes, unless you’re black, then you’re an urban terrorist
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
Right, PPO. A danger to society.
kesmarn

7 days ago
Kes – We are outraged at the beheading of an American in cold blood by a terrorist and want to spend billions to go after them but scores of people send half a million dollars to a cop who murders an American kid in cold blood. You’re right, these are tribal white folks who are just as embracing of murder as ISIS.
adlib 7 days ago
Murph–referring to Sabreen’s post that there are plenty of guns in black communities–does MO have an “open carry” law? As we all know, there’s nothing like black people openly carrying guns that would get those “open cary” laws changed!
glenn

7 days ago
ad/glenn – couldn’t agree more
sillylittleme

7 days ago
Glenn…Mo. has open carry and it has concealed carry with permit.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Point to ponder. What if someone applied to build a mosque in Ferguson. the poor racists would die from whiplash looking over their shoulders so much!
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
Speaking of open carry — there was a case of a 21 year-old guy open carrying. And another guy decided “Hey, I like your gun,” and robbed him of it at gunpoint. It would have been funny if it hadn’t been so pathetic.
kesmarn

7 days ago
Ad–and don’t forget that there is absolutely NO outrage at the 19 beheadings conducted by Saudi Arabia in the past year. SA is our ally, dontcha know? And, I know from personal experience, from living in Saudi Arabia, that those beheadings are conducted in the main square in the towns, and held on the holy day, Friday.
glenn

7 days ago
I was glad to see that Eric Holder ordered an investigation into policing in America.I just hope it bears fruit.It is disgusting what goes on now in many places>we have crime here in Canada,and problems with policing too.But at least we don’t have many shootings
beatlex

7 days ago
Glenn! great point
beatlex

7 days ago
Kes–I read that, too about the guy being robbed. Oh well!
glenn

7 days ago
Murph – It’s just a matter of time. Even if it’s a small percentage of black people in MO who vote, as their population grows, that percentage will eventually surpass the white voters. And for those activists who see this inequity, working hard to GOTV and register black voters could be very successful, especially if McCulloch succeeds in getting Wilson off.
adlib 7 days ago
So true, AdLib. Some of those Ferguson white thugs would fit right in with the ISIS gangs. Just swap out those white hoods for black ones.
kesmarn

7 days ago
Murph–weren’t you saying something last week about the voter registration in MO? Is that still happening?
glenn

7 days ago
glenn – But the people beheaded in Saudi Arabia weren’t Americans so that doesn’t count, right?
adlib 7 days ago
Glenn…there have been a number of stories about registration. I find the reporting contradictory.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Ad–I guess that’s the difference, although if you’re the one being beheaded, might not mean so much to you. worried
glenn

7 days ago
I don’t see any good coming out of these bombings of ISIS.I know the President had to do something,but more bombs won’t help IMO
beatlex

7 days ago
Kes – So true. Cheering on the justifications for the brutal murders of innocents is a common theme between these racists in America and ISIS. Either group could have the others’ members join them and they wouldn’t lose a beat.
adlib 7 days ago
Well kids, I’m going to be taking the Fave to the local apple festival tomorrow, so I’ll have to call it a day early tonight. If you wonder where all the bees in America have gone, they’ll be there. Trying to drink your apple cider at the same time you are. Fun! Anyway — have a great weekend all!
kesmarn

7 days ago
Well, beatlex, if nothing else, it’s helping the economy, spending a million bucks a pop to clobber a Toyota truck.
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
c I think if you want to have a real bombing campaign then level all of their mosques on the same day when they all have that whackdoodle screecher yelling from the top of a tower.
Harleigh

7 days ago
Beatlex–the ISIS situation is one of those “damned if you do; damned if you don’t.” I still think it should be the MIddle Eastern countries bombing ISIS, though, not the US. I think the US finally has to stand up and say, “Enough”. If you want these terrorist groups to end, you take care of it!
glenn

7 days ago
Murph – I think it will take a while for things to change on the voting front for the black community in Ferguson but it can and likely will improve. When it does, all those angry whites will really be in a corner.
adlib 7 days ago
nite kes
sillylittleme

7 days ago
Kes–have fun! G’night.
glenn

7 days ago
G’nite, Kes.
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
nite kes
Harleigh

7 days ago
Sounds great Kes, have a wonderful time (and a glass of hard cider for me!).
adlib 7 days ago
I think if you’re a badass show your face. The klan/ISIS are cowards. And I think ISIS is in for the money. I read that they pay $1000 per/person to join. Plus they make $$$ off the oil fields. Yeah they many religious zealots, but I think money trumps everything.
sabreen60

7 days ago
Oz,really,ISIS has changed their tactics,such as not traveling in convoys,and they are still on the move
beatlex

7 days ago
Goodnight Kes!
beatlex

7 days ago
BRB folks
glenn

7 days ago
Glenn,I agree,the countries affected should be doing the fighting
beatlex

7 days ago
Beatlex, IMO it’s just a matter of time before ISIS will be of little significance. History has shown that violent thugs lose in the end. ME countries are going to get very tired of ISIS.
sabreen60

7 days ago
Hey folks! Like McArthur, I have returned!
killgoretrout

7 days ago
Sabreen,until the next group of bogeymen
beatlex

7 days ago
Good night, kes. Enjoy the weekend and have a great week.
sabreen60

7 days ago
Hiya, KT!
sabreen60

7 days ago
KT!!
beatlex

7 days ago
Hey Homie! Hello, goodbye!
killgoretrout

7 days ago
abreen and Beatlex…whether it is ISIS or some other body, the fires of fundamental, jihadist Islam are burning too hot.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
welcome back honored guest!
Harleigh

7 days ago
Hey Sabreen and B! And Harleigh!
killgoretrout

7 days ago
hey kt
sillylittleme

7 days ago
how’s mom?
sillylittleme

7 days ago
What’s up slm. You’re my temporary Homie now!
killgoretrout

7 days ago
Beatlex, Our media is doing everything in it’s power to make us afraid of ISIS and Ebola. The media wants us afraid.
sabreen60

7 days ago
glenn – I agree with that. No matter what decisions are made on ISIS, they will be attacked as wrong by the cowards out there (yes, I’m talking about you Panetta!). If Obama bombs ISIS, he is doing too little too late. If he doesn’t bomb them, he is being weak and allowing them to become a greater threat to America. Sometimes there are scenarios where the choice is between bad and worse and that seems to be what we’ve got here. There are no good choices and the pudnuts are just wetting themselves being able to attack Obama no matter what he does.
adlib 7 days ago
murph – so agree, that is what has been taught for the last couple of decades
sillylittleme

7 days ago
Murph,for hundreds of years.If there was no oil in the ME,they would have been left alone to fight their tribal wars
beatlex

7 days ago
kt – how’s the cape
sillylittleme

7 days ago
AdLib,Penetta! whar a back stabber,all to sell books
beatlex

7 days ago
Just great slm! We’ve had some really great days. The leaves are almost turned.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
kt – I’m going out to take some pics tomorrow. I have a few pond shots that I drove by yesterday, beautiful
sillylittleme

7 days ago
beatlex- oil, the Suez, Israel, Iran….the ME of the 19th and early 20th century is long, long gone
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
True Murph
beatlex

7 days ago
Hey funk!
killgoretrout

7 days ago
True Murph,what a frigging mess over there!
beatlex

7 days ago
Hi everyone!
funksands

7 days ago
THE FUNKSTER!
beatlex

7 days ago
What up X?
funksands

7 days ago
Bill Maher and Sam Harris are being raked over the coals by some emo-progs because they told the truth about Islam.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
Hi funk…I have your article book marked for reading – no time of lat
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
It’s true countries in the ME fought each other. Just like countries in Europe fought each other. The West didin’t help in the ME with their divide and conquer routine. In addition, too many Muslims (just like those in this country) sit on their hands and refuse to get involved when they see wrong being done.
sabreen60

7 days ago
Its okay Murph. It’ll still be there.
funksands

7 days ago
Hi Funk!
sabreen60

7 days ago
I have mixed feelings about the Harris/Maher issue.
funksands

7 days ago
Hi Sabreen
funksands

7 days ago
Funk,few beers,chat with you guys,chilling after a tough week
beatlex

7 days ago
Hey KT–how’s your mom?
glenn

7 days ago
How’ve you been?
funksands

7 days ago
Hey Funk!
glenn

7 days ago
How so funk?
killgoretrout

7 days ago
X, thanks for reminding me.
funksands

7 days ago
She’s doing OK glenn. Thanks for asking.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
Funk, say more please.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Funk, There are 1 billion Muslims in the world. No way can you lump them all together.
sabreen60

7 days ago
LOL Funk!
beatlex

7 days ago
KT, not sure. I’ve heard this argument from both of them time and time again. I keep wanting to ask why they think Asians, Arabs, Persians and Africans are so susceptible to radical Islam
funksands

7 days ago
Ad–I agree. ISIS is just another way to attack Obama. Not to mention to tie them to immigration, Benghazi, the IRS, and any other dumb thing the rw nut jobs can come up with!
glenn

7 days ago
hey funk
sillylittleme

7 days ago
Hey SLM
funksands

7 days ago
Hey Funk!
adlib 7 days ago
sabreen – agree
sillylittleme

7 days ago
Hi Ad.
funksands

7 days ago
I think they just tell it like it is about some aspects of Islam. They never said all Muslims were terrorists or fanatics. They basically talk about the oppression of women and gays and anybody that critisizes their religion.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
Funk–I’m with you about the mixed feelings. I think Reza Aslan brings up good points. As for Muslims in the US sitting on their hands, I think they are protesting these fundamentalists, they just don’t get any press. In addition, there are many Christians in this country sitting on their hands regarding the fundamentalists here!
glenn

7 days ago
KT, now Christians are starting to feel what the Incas and Aztecs felt when faced with Christianity.
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
Bomb Dearborn! LOL
Harleigh

7 days ago
pink – and they don’t like it one bit
sillylittleme

7 days ago
The big problem with Islam is they have no central authority. All the factions and sects can interpret the Quran any way they choose. That’s a problem.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
The standard of living in the ME is for the most part very low.That sows a lot of resentment.And they are lashing out at America and other western nations for robbing them of their oil wealth.among other things
beatlex

7 days ago
Agree, KT. I wonder if there are as many versions of the Koran as there are Bibles.
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
KT, Where’s the difference. Christian fundamentalist hate gays, thinks everyone should believe as they do and believe women should be subservient.
sabreen60

7 days ago
I don’t go back too in history regarding the crimes of other religions. I stick to the present because that’s what is really relevant now.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
Its true that if Sam and Bill had burned a Koran on the air that night that thousands would have died in protests around the world and they would have lived in hiding for the next several years. I admit it. I think the bigger story is why that is politically possible. The raping and pillaging of SE Asia, N. Africa and the Middle East by succession of imperialists, invaders, and strongmen led to radical islamists taking and holding political power.
funksands

7 days ago
Beatlex–It’s not the Americans robbing them of their wealth–it’s their own damn leades. Most of the leaders and their followers live very well.
glenn

7 days ago
kt – that could be said of any religion, except for catholicism
sillylittleme

7 days ago
Beatlex–leaders in the ME, I mean.
glenn

7 days ago
This really is a political problem primarily in its heart rather than a religious one. And I am the last guy to excuse religion for anything.
funksands

7 days ago
I respect anyones right to worship what ever they want.But IMO religion is BS that has caused more people to die than any other cause
beatlex

7 days ago
Good one, Sabreen!
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
What do folks here think about that Maher/Affleck argument? I think both are at the extremes. Maher’s championing of generalizing about all those in a religion is messed up but Affleck’s kneejerk political correctness that anyone who criticizes Islam is an Islamophobe is ignorant.
adlib 7 days ago
Amen X. ;-)
funksands

7 days ago
b – start of every war in history…
sillylittleme

7 days ago
The difference Sabreen is that Christians don’t kill the offenders of their religious views. Some of the fanatics probably would if they could get away with it, but by comparison, the killings occur on a far greater scale within the Islamic religion.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
ad – I side with Ben, he was trying to get them to hear that broadbrush painting is wrong
sillylittleme

7 days ago
Ad, I think you are spot on. Tell me that extremists in this country would act exactly the same if the political culture allowed and encouraged behavior like this against non-believers
funksands

7 days ago
With Islam, as with current GOPTP politics, religion and faith are interconnected. Bad for all, is my opinion
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
Glenn,I am talking about a 100 years ago when western powers moved into the region to take oil,which they did
beatlex

7 days ago
kt – I beg to differ..
sillylittleme

7 days ago
Sorry, I meant politics and faith
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
Islam is more violent than any other religion I know of. I’m talking present day.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
slm, how so?
killgoretrout

7 days ago
You all do realize that all the buy-bull books (including Korans) that get referenced were supposedly originally ‘written’ thousands and thousands of years ago way before Anglo-Saxons even existed, by non-white Middle Eastern brown men in now dead languages and that those were not their real original names right? Matt, Mark, Luke, John and Zeke?! Yeah right. More like Abdul, Habib or Omar. Most were wandering nomadic herdsmen with even less education than a 4 year old kid in Mississippi. Those ‘original’ storybooks were written by hand in a now dead language and transcribed and rewritten and re-interpreted by hand into other now dead languages dozens of times for dozens of different religions/sects or monestaries over the past 5,000 or so years resulting in massive disinformation to control the populations of those times. I got ‘THE WORD’ from a burning bush… or Hey! A talking snake told me…. blah blah blah. Thanks for sharing your dogma though. All religions are businesses and should be taxed.
Harleigh

7 days ago
KT, I don’t think it’s the Qu’ran that’s the problem. It’s Hadith (sayings of the Prophet). There is suppose to authentic Hadith and false. Much of it cultural. For instance, there is nothing in the Qu’ran that says a woman must be completely covered except for her eyes. Nor is there anything that says a woman can’t be educated. These are things that men have decided on their own.
sabreen60

7 days ago
KT, sadly so, because the ME leaders didn’t spend their oil money on social or educational programs. They’re not wired like that.
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
slm – But do you agree with Affleck’s absolutist view that anyone criticizing Islam is akin to a Klansman?
adlib 7 days ago
KT,they mete out barbaric punishments and killings for sure
beatlex

7 days ago
Great point PPO!
killgoretrout

7 days ago
kt – Because we can’t just look at recent history, this is the culmination of millenia of history
sillylittleme

7 days ago
ad – not criticizing it, but being absolutist
sillylittleme

7 days ago
So why wasn’t Islam used in this radical way in the past? This is fairly recent occurrence historically speaking
funksands

7 days ago
Here’s what Reza Aslan had to say about Maher’s criticism of Islam: And I would say that the other thing that’s a little bit different is that the criticism of Islam has really crossed the line into what can only be described as frank bigotry. When he starts decrying how many babies born in Europe are named Mohammad, says things about Muslims in America “bringing that desert stuff into our world” — that is no longer just simple criticism of religious doctrine or practice. That’s a very specifically targeted animosity towards a particular group of people. You don’t see him saying things like that about other religious groups — though, again, in his defense, to him the problem is religion in general.
glenn

7 days ago
Absolutely NOY Ad. I think Affleck let his ego get the best of him. He was trying to show us he was the biggest “liberal,” in the room. I thought his argument was childish and a bit rude.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
ad – Maher and Sam were being absolutist too
sillylittleme

7 days ago
Maher and Harris have criticized Christianity, plenty.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
funk – wahabbi teachings, recent (couple of decades) phenom
sillylittleme

7 days ago
Funk – So true, we have some pretty scary Christian extremists in this country (The Klan and today’s citizen militias for example) who have murdered based on their reading of the Bible. Are all Christians murderous extremists then? So all Muslims can’t be either. But Affleck’s too politically correct, thinking that the horrible beliefs based on the Koran shouldn’t be criticized as being such.
adlib 7 days ago
Beatlex, they are stuck in the strict, straight-down-the-liine word for word teachings of the Koran, which keeps them in the Middle Ages. Want to know what Christians did in those days? Well, keep checking the Fundamentalist oiks in the South and find out.
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
Jebus rode a dinosaur with Alley Oop! word!
Harleigh

7 days ago
What do you all think of Aslan’s statement?
glenn

7 days ago
KT, Christians left this country and went to Uganda and encouraged to hold “kill the gays” there. No, American Christians didn’t do the actual killing, but they encouraged it.
sabreen60

7 days ago
SLM, okay so now we’re on to something. If muslims were able to avoid this level of radicalism for 2000 years, why now?
funksands

7 days ago
funk – ask the saudis
sillylittleme

7 days ago
Saudi Arabia is a barbaric state,but they ARE America’s barbaric state
beatlex

7 days ago
Harleigh:
funksands

7 days ago
yep beatlex
Harleigh

7 days ago
b – barbarians were socialists, the romans were the real evil people
sillylittleme

7 days ago
I agree SLM. I really have a problem with broadbrushing – in all areas.
sabreen60

7 days ago
funk, Social media is spreading the fundamentalist crap like no other time in the world
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
Ad, Maher and Harris never said all Muslims were murderous extremists. Although, that’s what many people are claiming. I watched that episode and Maher and Harris were using facts.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
PPO, that’s a good point.
funksands

7 days ago
funk – nice!!
sillylittleme

7 days ago
Good one Harleigh!
beatlex

7 days ago
Sorry if that offends anyone. I just think its a nifty picture
funksands

7 days ago
That explains it all Funk in one photo! You da man! LOL
Harleigh

7 days ago
KT–well that picture certainly covers all the bases, doesn’t it? Or, at least the Christian ones.
glenn

7 days ago
sabreen – that’s always a part of the problem in any conflict
sillylittleme

7 days ago
There is some nasty punishment in the Old Testament, but most sane people don’t execute those punishments and realize that times have changed.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
Funk – Love the graphic!
adlib 7 days ago
I just think the argument too often comes dangerously close to saying that Arabs and Persians et. al are somehow especially “susceptible” to the corrupting influence of Islam
funksands

7 days ago
That I don’t want to hear.
funksands

7 days ago
funk – agree
sillylittleme

7 days ago
Kt, because of education and refinement of living mores which have not been the case in the ME, due to the tribalism.
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
What are you referring to funk?
killgoretrout

7 days ago
Pretty sure ISIS will not get their world caliphate.
beatlex

7 days ago
There was a song about it in the early 60’s, Alley Oop by the Hollywood argyles. But i don’t know how to post it. worried
Harleigh

7 days ago
Funk, one could also say that some Americans are somehow especially “susceptible” to the corrupting influence of Christianity.
glenn

7 days ago
Islam is used like this because it has become politically acceptable to use radicalism as a tool of statecraft
funksands

7 days ago
The tribalism springs from different interpretations of the Quran and the Haddith.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
sillylittleme

7 days ago
Glenn, I think its more like “white people are more susceptible to radical Chrisitanity”. Make sense?
funksands

7 days ago
KT, sounding very familiar with Christianity these days, isn’t it?
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
Did everyone see that now Kaintuck may not pay for roads to the creationist museum!?
Harleigh

7 days ago
glenn – agree, funk – not as white as you think it is
sillylittleme

7 days ago
Funk–okay, I’ll buy that. And add, “uneducated” to the white people.
glenn

7 days ago
pink – spot on
sillylittleme

7 days ago
harleigh – they can ride their dinos there
sillylittleme

7 days ago
Just to be clear and on the record….I am a Christian Humanist….Christian humanism emphasizes the humanity of Jesus, his social teachings and his propensity to synthesize human spirituality and materialism. It regards humanist principles like universal human dignity and individual freedom and the primacy of human happiness as essential and principal components of, or at least compatible with, the teachings of Jesus. Christian humanism can be perceived as a philosophical union of Christian ethics and humanist principles. I regard Yehua bar Yusef bin Nazrit and the Siddartha Gautama, the Buddha….as the principle sources of human philosohpical enlightenment. I do not buy the mythology that surrounds either one. Muhammad is not in the same category with them.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
SLM you are awesome, Gloria, Boogey shoes and now Alley Oop! Stoned and in luv! LMAO
Harleigh

7 days ago
Extreme religious ideology is only going to be used when the political powers allow it.
funksands

7 days ago
Harleigh–and is it the creationist museum that may go broke because they can’t get tax exempt status? Seems if they have to pay taxes, they can’t afford to be in business. Damn that Obama!
glenn

7 days ago
True PPO. But Christians don’t cut off heads and shoot young school girls for trying to get an education. And I know not all Muslims are included in the violent extremist groups.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
IMO, there is way too much cherry picking on both sides of the argument. Aslan focuses on the bigotry of trying to apply the actions of extremist Muslims to all Muslims but dances around talking about the common beliefs of most Muslims that are so prejudiced. Meanwhile, Maher and Harris condemn the entire religion even though it’s only a very small sliver of Muslims who have or would ever harm someone else. The cherry picking makes each side right but wrong.
adlib 7 days ago
Maher and Harris condemn all religions.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
KT, you have a point, but parallels can be drawn with the treatment of blacks in the US.
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
harleigh – heart
sillylittleme

7 days ago
AdLib! Spot on!
beatlex

7 days ago
brb
funksands

7 days ago
Ad, yes, maybe we’re trying too hard to get points across.
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
PPO, the treatment of blacks in the US is not religion based.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
Okay folks, it’s approaching the midnight hour here; time for me to say goodnight. Take care everyone; I think this discussion tonight is very thought-provoking and I hate to leave. I’ll check it out tomorrow afternoon after soccer. ‘Night, all!
glenn

7 days ago
kt – isn’t it?
sillylittleme

7 days ago
nite glenn – have a great week
sillylittleme

7 days ago
No slm, it isn’t. Nowhere in either testament does it condemn black people.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
Night glenn, have a wonderful weekend and sending good luck to that wonderful soccer player!
adlib 7 days ago
Sleep well glenn.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
Night Glenn
funksands

7 days ago
Thanks, Ad
glenn

7 days ago
kt – what it says and how it is interpreted are two different things
sillylittleme

7 days ago
You know, we are not that far removed from violent Christians in this country. Christians were still hanging black people in the 30’s and 40’s. And/or killing them in anyway they chose. No way did all Christians partake of these horrific acts. But many came out to watch a good ole hanging. Perhaps Muslims will see that the violences committed by some is causing the world to condemn them all.
sabreen60

7 days ago
OH, I forgot about the KKK. They do call themselves Christians.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
Humanity has been warring with each other since we came on the scene,it started out over territorry,and has been evolving ever since.There will always be war as long as humans are in existence.And the way things are going…
beatlex

7 days ago
But the KKK hates anybody who isn’t a WASP.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
PPO – I think if we start from a position of recognizing that there are always shades of gray when discussing religions, we can discount the extremes and consider the complexities. Those who try to simplify it into black and white are missing the big picture.
adlib 7 days ago
Someone,sometime,somewhere will drop a nuke sooner or later
beatlex

7 days ago
B, that’s because man is an aggressive animal.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
Good night glenn. Take care.
sabreen60

7 days ago
nite glenn!
Harleigh

7 days ago
Evolution hasn’t taken away all of our primal instincts.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
See you Glenn!
beatlex

7 days ago
SLM- wink
Harleigh

7 days ago
Murph, do you find more people gravitating to your particular brand of Christianity now? Or are the mega-churches still in control in your part of the world?
funksands

7 days ago
KT,we are a warring species IMO
beatlex

7 days ago
Damned opposable thumbs and frontal lobes
funksands

7 days ago
We are a greedy species too.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
agree with b, funk and kt
sillylittleme

7 days ago
But the KKK didn’t hang everybody who wasn’t a WASP. And the KKK is just one white supremist group who bases their ideology in Christianity.
sabreen60

7 days ago
Funk…there are not many mega here…lots of little churches and the tv ministers….fundamentalism dominates.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Sadly true Sabreen.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
Ah
funksands

7 days ago
sabreen – does that excuse their behavior?
sillylittleme

7 days ago
Sabreen – Appreciate your pointing that out, extremist murders in the name of Christianity against minorities, gays, other religions were not uncommon in the US just decades ago. Pointing a finger at Islam and not recognizing this about Christianity distracts people from recognizing the true enemies in all religions, the wild eyed extremists. They’re in all religions, they’re the ones to point a finger at.
adlib 7 days ago
Westboro is way off the wall along with the phony hicks on Duck Dumbasses.
Harleigh

7 days ago
Funk…I am at home in the Episcopal Church which has a long tradition of intellectualism which is where Christian Humanism finds its natural home.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Murph, do you see young people trending back into your church? Or not so much?
funksands

7 days ago
So true Harleigh! And all the hateful racists in militias.
adlib 7 days ago
SLM, I am not excusing violence from anyone. I’m only saying that no ones hands are clean when it comes to religion.
sabreen60

7 days ago
funk….the young are less and less churched.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Ad, I would say that, in comparison, it was a relatively small number of murderous Christians. Once again though, I think the main argument pertains to the present.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
Ad, it was 100 short years ago that we raped, pillaged and tortured our way through the entire population of the Phillipines in the name of the White God
funksands

7 days ago
Maher and Harris were talking about modern day Islam.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
Murph – I am a confirmed Episcopal since 1961! Have not ever been back.
Harleigh

7 days ago
Aslan did make some good points about economic advantages in the West.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
Murph, that’s kind of what I thought. I do see this in my friends that are in their 30’s that they tend to gravitate toward the universalist churches in the area.
funksands

7 days ago
Harleigh…I chose the Episcopal Church as a 50 year old
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Harly-LOL
beatlex

7 days ago
smart harleigh
sillylittleme

7 days ago
My church is Nature. This includes everything.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
The young who are churched tend to move to the philosophical or the fundamental…one side or the other
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Of course in my 10 year-old 5th grade class they speak 12 different languages, my experience may not be representative of other’s.
funksands

7 days ago
KT, Here’s where I have a problem. Millions of my people died during the Atlantic slave trade. These were Christians who were slave traders. It’s really hard to pretend that I will never know my roots. Just as Jewish people say never forget. It’s pretty hard for black folks to forget. As I said, I don’t see clean hands regardless of where I look.
sabreen60

7 days ago
Murph, true.
funksands

7 days ago
I thinnk the major problem of fundamentalists of all stripes is that they have not been educated enough to avoid the seduction of fundamentalism anywhere.
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
No argument here Sabreen. My argument concerns the present.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
Great point PPO. That’s why the baggers hate education so much.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
KT – Islam is a younger religion, Christianity had its violent period as well. The Crusades, the genocide of Native Americans, the murders of blacks in the South and elsewhere. Manifest Destiny was a Christian-driven political policy of the US that wiped out thousands of lives.
adlib 7 days ago
I think the major problem of fundamentalists is that they typically have little education, little freedom, little political power, little hope, little upward mobility, little control over their own own future. Th
funksands

7 days ago
Again Ad, my argument concerns the present day.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
Pink – they have been indoctrinated not taught
sillylittleme

7 days ago
This breeds people susceptible to radical religious extremism
funksands

7 days ago
AD the dark ages were kinda bleak too, except for Robin Hood of course.
Harleigh

7 days ago
funk – bingo
sillylittleme

7 days ago
I totally agree, funk, and SLM
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
Laughing here Harly!
beatlex

7 days ago
hehehe
Harleigh

7 days ago
KT, Until Muslims who oppose violence stand up and speak out, change will not happen. In this country, not until whites in other parts of the country saw dogs, water cannons, etc. put upon blacks did they feel a sense of shame and outrage.
sabreen60

7 days ago
I think the extremists in the Islamic religion are their own worst enemies. Their violence and murderous ways will increase moderate Muslims.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
We need a chuckle right now. Let’s talk about Mitt Romney!
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
How about Sarah “Do you know who I am?” Palin.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
pink – schitt fockme lookin’ for a comeback that is funny
sillylittleme

7 days ago
KT, someone said the other day that radical Christianity was suppressed only when it become so awful, so oppressive that people simply couldn’t take it anymore and overthrew f it
funksands

7 days ago
I will just be flat out amazed if Myth’s wife Money Boo Boo allows him back into the clown car.
Harleigh

7 days ago
Here is the problem for Islam- the principle jihad is at its core. Modern Islam has tried to reshape this as Itajihad, the inner struggle, but for most Muslims the idea of external struggle against non believers (Muslims and Infidels alike)is the organizing principle with the f aith.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
KT, I’d love to have been there to yell: ” Hey, there’s some broad here who doesn’t know who she is”!
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
The problem moderate Muslims face today is retribution from the nut bags.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
harleigh – especially if he has to put up more of his own money…
sillylittleme

7 days ago
“Every time I look at I can’t understand, why you let the things you did get so out of hand…”
funksands

7 days ago
Me too PPO! I would have said “Yeah, we know who you are, that’s the problem!
killgoretrout

7 days ago
funk – thumbsup
sillylittleme

7 days ago
I think its funny my wife has Jesus Christ Superstar blaring in the background while I talking you guys
funksands

7 days ago
Murph, true.
funksands

7 days ago
LOL Funk, did you drop some acid for the occasion?
Harleigh

7 days ago
He’s everywhere funk, he’s everywhere! sunglasses
killgoretrout

7 days ago
Harleigh, my 10 year old doesn’t like me to put him to bed if I’m on acid.
funksands

7 days ago
funk, I’m listening to ” honey, I keep missing you, but my aim is gettin’ better!”
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
Murph, I sat in a Masjid for 10 years. I was never taught about jihad. Nor was I taught to hate “infidels”. BTW, I was born Baptist. Now I don’t belong to any organized religion.
sabreen60

7 days ago
Tammie Davis or Havoc51 version?
funksands

7 days ago
Funk I can’t imagine why! MOM!! Dad’s fuckin rambling again!!! wahahaha
Harleigh

7 days ago
funk, that’s because the bed keeps moving.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
Sabreen!
funksands

7 days ago
Sabreen…where was the Masjid?
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Harleigh he’s such a buzzkill
funksands

7 days ago
KT that’s funny
funksands

7 days ago
Ah Kids….
Harleigh

7 days ago
Murph – The issue here may be time. For Christianity, the barbarism of extremist Islam is a kind of “Been there, done that.” Since Christianity has gone through such a horrible phase and reformed, some now look down at Islam and say, “How could you be so awful?! I mean, we USED to be that awful but we’re not now so how can you be?” Is it maybe just the nature of these types of religions to have extremists lead it through vicious times until they are finally rejected and moderation takes over?
adlib 7 days ago
Sabreen, you are such an intriguing person
funksands

7 days ago
Murph, Washington DC
sabreen60

7 days ago
ad- excellent point
sillylittleme

7 days ago
Well said, Ad.
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
Ad, I think it’s good to speak out about the ugly side of Islam. The ugly side of any thing as powerful as religion.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
Ad….Christianity, as a relgious principle, was experience most clearly by the Christian churches of the first three centuries and then captured by the Roman ruling class.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Ahh Funk innocent I’ve been on several paths searching for truth.
sabreen60

7 days ago
Sabreen, I’m going to have to buy you a couple of cocktails one of these days…
funksands

7 days ago
Well folks, I’m off for the night. Take care all and have a great weekend.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
sabreen – the truth lies within…
sillylittleme

7 days ago
Funk, Say when!
sabreen60

7 days ago
you too kt
sillylittleme

7 days ago
Nite KT
Harleigh

7 days ago
Night KT! Have a great weekend and see you for the music thread. Sorry about earlier, we had a server problem but all seems well now.
adlib 7 days ago
True, Murph. I think the errors within Islam can only be fixed by Muslims, but how can they mobilise to deal with it?
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
Night KT, I’m right behind you. Great seeing all of you again. Insha’Allah
funksands

7 days ago
sab…my knowledge comes from those who grew up outside of the U.S.- in the middle east, africa and asia and there Islam has not been modified as it so often is here. Jihad…sunnis vs. shias (and both against the various subsects) and both against the West is very powerful.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Night, KT. Good vox tonight
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
Night Funk! Asta la vista!
adlib 7 days ago
nite funk
sillylittleme

7 days ago
Ad, I’ll have the thread ready by about 10am tomorrow.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
Night KT! Be good!
sabreen60

7 days ago
Thanks KT! Hope all is well with your mom too!
adlib 7 days ago
Night Funk. Take care!
sabreen60

7 days ago
Thanks Sabreen and all. You too.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
The Syrian muslims in Dearborn seem OK only because you never hear aout them.
Harleigh

7 days ago
about
Harleigh

7 days ago
Before you go, KT, what’s the theme?
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
Well I’m out, too. Take care everyone!
sabreen60

7 days ago
harleigh – and that is because they are fairly assimilated
sillylittleme

7 days ago
nite sabreen
sillylittleme

7 days ago
nite Sabreen. feel better.
Harleigh

7 days ago
Goodnight, Sabreen. sleep the sleep of the just.
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
Well,I have had a long tiring week,it was fun,bye for now POVrs!
beatlex

7 days ago
As some has mentioned, the only ones who can impact a religion are the followers. Muslims do need to take the mantle of power back from the crazy extremists.
adlib 7 days ago
Night Sabreen! Have a lovely weekend!
adlib 7 days ago
ad – give them time
sillylittleme

7 days ago
Cheerio, Beatlex.
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
b- nite have a good week
sillylittleme

7 days ago
SLM you are right since I knew some of the early ones in the 60’s.
Harleigh

7 days ago
Nite beatlex
Harleigh

7 days ago
slm – Yes, it will take time but such intense fires as the extreists have lit eventually run out of fuel and burn out. Then when the more level headed majority takes control, things will get better.
adlib 7 days ago
Night Beatlex! Get some rest!
adlib 7 days ago
ad – they are like teenagers flexing their muscles…
sillylittleme

7 days ago
slm – They do come off with the simplicity of thought and action like teenagers but what is scarier than an unstable teenager with a gun?
adlib 7 days ago
me with a gun??
Harleigh

7 days ago
Ad, I agree, but how can we keep the body count down? Standing by doing nothing is infinitely worse than trying to slow it down somehow. We can’t have more Ugandas or Bosnias, can we? Lord, who would want to be POTUS and make those kind of decisions? Not me, for sure.
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
me with a gun?
sillylittleme

7 days ago
Harleigh – You’re a teenager? wink
adlib 7 days ago
not since 67
Harleigh

7 days ago
I have a long list…
sillylittleme

7 days ago
but I never grew up either!
Harleigh

7 days ago
None of us here has, harleigh!
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
Well I am off and running….I am going to go into to St. Louis tomorrow and see if I can be of help. More than a little worried.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
PPO – We can’t just stand by yet we need to be smart and recognize that if we have our troops in Iraq killing Muslims, we’re just helping ISIS recruit and sustain an endless war. We really need the Iraqis, Kurds and other ME nations to invest in their own security and fight this battle that is on their front doorstep. We can help but they can stop counting their oil revenues and defend their region from madmen.
adlib 7 days ago
murph – stay safe, and let us know how it goes
sillylittleme

7 days ago
Nothing like a room of stoner old farts with guns. What could possibly go wrong you ask? Well I could fall asleep on it and wake up wi sore ribs or worse.
Harleigh

7 days ago
Murph, check your six and stay safe.
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
Seeya Murph, please update us here on your insights. And as slm mentioned, be careful. Of the cops, that is.
adlib 7 days ago
later murph
Harleigh

7 days ago
Best to all y’all.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Totally agree, Ad. We can only be at the side helping, but it is the ME states themselves who need to grow a pair and use all the considerable might they bought to actually come out and fight.
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
Pink – they started it, they can end it; they don’t want to stop it…
sillylittleme

7 days ago
PPO – They’ve taken for granted that the US will fight for them and that’s a part of oil dependency we need to break. ME nations need to secure the ME, not the US.
adlib 7 days ago
SLM, you have to ask why, as if ISIS establish a real foothold, they’ll overwhelm the ME and God help the Rulers if that happens.
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
pink – long term planning is never the extremists strong suit. they never look at the consequences of their teachings of hate, fear and xenophobia
sillylittleme

7 days ago
Ad, you’re right, and so arises the dilemma about the US becoming independant of the ME for oil, but at what environmental cost?
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
PPO – We fight ISIS as an extistential threat and yet Climate Change, a real existential threat can’t be addressed because wealthy people would make less money.
adlib 7 days ago
pink – if we had spent half the money on sustainable energy we could have dumped the ME a long time ago; the polluting industries won’t allow it
sillylittleme

7 days ago
Well I gotta turn in. thanks for everything tonite guys, pics, tunes. cool.
Harleigh

7 days ago
Yes, I know. I was in fairyland there for a minute! One can only hope that someone, somewhere in the ME gets a working coalition to not only fight ISIs and their ilk, but develop social and educational programs to diminish the power of the fundamentalists.
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
nite harleigh
sillylittleme

7 days ago
Thanks for hanging out tonight despite your flu, Harleigh! Rest up this weekend, drink lots of fluids and feel better!
adlib 7 days ago
I’mm off as well. Night Harleigh, Ad, SLM and all.
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
nite pink
sillylittleme

7 days ago
well ad that leaves you and me
sillylittleme

7 days ago
Night PPO! Have a great weekend!
adlib 7 days ago
slm – Last round is on me, one for the road?
adlib 7 days ago
have a good weekend ad, see ya on the music thread
sillylittleme

7 days ago
I am still here reading along…It has been a long week. There are a dozen of us trying to help out on the side and behind the curtains….local leaders are very worried.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
murph – I hope for all of our sakes it goes well!!!
sillylittleme

7 days ago
Seeya then, slm!
adlib 7 days ago
SLM you say it well….all of us are in this….
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Murph – What do you think will happen and when?
adlib 7 days ago
Ad and SLM….there are a number of identifiable hot spots…..events like the shooting yesterday, bad rumors coming out of the grand jury, stories from elsewhere, and the big monster – a grand jury that does not recommend an indictment.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Things will boil over in the last scenario….rodney king like moment….
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Murph – That’s what concerns me. I think there is a very good chance that the Grand Jury won’t indict Wilson…and if that happens, even though the DoJ will get him, madness could come down hard.
adlib 7 days ago
Just like you say, as with the Rodney King decision…but King wasn’t a teen and he wasn’t murdered nor was his murder witnessed by many people. It would be an outrage that could lead to something pretty horrible.
adlib 7 days ago
The DOJ minus Holder as Obama’s control of the Executive Branch slips (esp. with the Senate going GOP as I think it will) the knowing in Ferguson and associated with Ferguson will be angry and disilluioned to start with.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
The new AG will be voted in during this Senate so that’s not going to be a problem. Probably after the election but by the end of the year.
adlib 7 days ago
PRINCETON, NJ — A majority of U.S. registered voters, 53%, say they are less enthusiastic about voting than in previous elections, while 35% are more enthusiastic. This 18-percentage-point enthusiasm deficit is larger than what Gallup has measured in prior midterm election years, particularly in 2010 when there was record midterm enthusiasm. Among registered voters, 42% of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents currently say they are more enthusiastic than usual about voting, while 50% are less enthusiastic, resulting in an eight-point enthusiasm deficit. But Democrats are even less enthusiastic, with a 23-point deficit (32% more enthusiastic vs. 55% less enthusiastic). Typically, the party whose supporters have an advantage in enthusiasm has done better in midterm elections. Republicans had decided advantages in enthusiasm in 1994, 2002, and especially 2010 — years in which they won control of the House of Representatives or expanded on their existing majority. Democrats had the advantage in 2006, the year they won control of the House. Neither party had a decided advantage in 1998, a year Democrats posted minimal gains in House seats. Per Gallup.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
It is Holder who went to Ferguson and without HIM, the confidence in the DOJ will lag.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
The problem with national statistics is that they don’t reflect regions and in the regions that matter on control of the Senate, the Repubs don’t have a lock. I don’t doubt the enthusiasm deficit hurting Dems but in competitive states, it’s not the same as in non-competitive states.
adlib 7 days ago
That’s true Musph but as long as the DoJ let’s its actions speak for it, they can overcome the concerns. If Wilson is charged by the DoJ, they will be more confident.
adlib 7 days ago
We will see. You are always much more optimistic than I am and you have been much more accurate than I….so I hope you are right now.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Again….hoping the DOJ minus Holder will be a powerful talisman.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Ok, I am off to bed…..
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Hope I am this time but everything you state is deserving of concern. Repubs could take the Senate indeed. We need a great GOTV in the key states!
adlib 7 days ago
Night, pal! Hope all goes well this weekend!
adlib 7 days ago
Yes…
murphthesurf3

7 days ago

Boots On The Ground?

People dressed in military uniforms attend a ceremony to commemorate the 70th anniversary of the D-Day landings, in Old Bethpage, New York

 

 

Senators and Representatives want to send our combat troops to Syria, (boots on the ground)?

I have a suggestion for them. Every one of them who want American “Boots on the ground” should put their boots on and get their asses over there!

I am a combat veteran from the Vietnam War and I would not go over there to fight!  You can call me a coward if you want to. The indigenous people over there are not fighting ISIS or (ISIL) in fact the Iraqi army we trained and armed just dropped their equipment and gave up, then they dug their own graves and were shot to drop into the grave. If the people don’t want to fight for their freedom, we Americans should not have to send our young military folks into harms way.

So I’ll repeat myself. If Senator McCain and Graham and Reps. like Boehner and others want American boots on the ground, let them put their boots on and get over there. While they are at it they can send their own children to join the military instead of ours.

I’m sick of these “chickenhawks” sending our young off to be killed or maimed!!!!

If you agree with me good. I’d like to hear from you. If you disagree with me , let me know where I’m wrong. I’ll read your answer and respond in a civil way.

Should we go back to the draft? Should women be drafted, too? Should there be ways for politicians family members to avoid the draft?

As you all know , I was drafted in 1967 when I was 21. I’m against the draft the way it was when I was drafted. If there was no way for “special” people to avoid the draft, I might change my mind about it. I do know that I would discourage my family members from joining the military.

So, lets discuss this issue.

 

 

Great News on the Economy! (Made You Look!)

Can you smell what the economy is cooking??

Can you smell what the economy is cooking??


Good economic news is worth celebrating.  However transitory the news is, good economic news typically means good news for all Americans.  We’ve been treated to quite a bit of good news over the last couple of years.

-Stock market is at an all-time high

-Bond market is at an all-time high

-40 straight months of job growth

-Unemployment has dropped to 5.9%

-Medical inflation has slowed

-Individual states (with a few exceptions) have largely recovered and see black on their books

-Manufacturing Index spiking

-Housing recovering, retirement plans recovering, consumer spending recovering

-Trade deficit decreasing

-Dollar strengthening

-Companies relocating back to the US

All of this good news reflects that the United States is the most solid advanced economy in the world right now.  (At least comparatively)

Who do we thank for this roaring success?  Who deserves the credit? What was the “secret sauce” of this remarkable recovery? And why aren’t we celebrating dammit?

The short answer is no one really deserves much credit, there was no “secret sauce”, the success isn’t roaring at all, so maybe we should put off celebrating for a while.  The long answer is more complicated.

CREDIT WHERE CREDIT IS DUE

First of all there is some credit to be passed out:  President Obama and the then-Democratic controlled Senate managed to muscle the Stimulus through Congress.  That particular wad of money was stuffed into the gaping wounds of the economy lying on the ER operating room table and probably saved its life.

– It kept several states from going bankrupt

– It enabled almost 30 states to avoid massive state and local layoffs that would have dragged the economy down even further

– It was the single biggest piece of green legislation in the history of our nation, planting the seeds of the alternative revolution

– It funded projects that otherwise could not have gotten off the ground, enabling hiring much sooner than the economy was ready for

This legislation as imperfect as it was gave states and corporate america just enough breathing room and space to pick up the pieces and start moving forward again.  It was critically important and credit is due for that decisive action

The auto-maker bailout also was helpful.  While there is plenty of honest debate that could be had about whether GM or Chrysler “deserve” a bail-out or how it was managed, laying off vast swathes of the nation in the middle of economic collapse isn’t helpful.

Credit also goes to the Bush administration and Obama administration for laying the groundwork of the biggest hydrocarbon revolution in our nation’s history.  By deregulating the industry and opening up huge tracts of land for drilling, technological advancement has helped the US has become nearly the largest exporter of oil and gas on earth.  As a matter of fact, oil and gas is our #3 export to the world, behind only machinery and electronic equipment.  It’s expected to be the #1 export by 2016.  Much of our economic recovery has been oil and gas-based, with cheap natural gas consumption aiding many struggling state economies.

Debate can and should be had about whether this is a “good” thing.  Becoming a hydrocarbon export behemoth with the future of the globe’s climate at stake is not smart or particularly ethical, but it has been very good for the economy.

The Bush administration and Obama administration also deserve some credit for muscling through the bank bailouts.  Yes they were flawed.  Yes it played favorites.  Yes bank and wall street firms should have been held accountable or wound down or officers held accountable for their actions.  But that said, this particular wad of money acted as a clamp to the fatal bleeding of the patient on the operating table.  The stimulus then stopped the bleeding, allowing the patient to stabilize.

And…..well that’s pretty much it.  All of this groundbreaking activity occurred prior to 2010.  Since then, nothing much of significance has occurred.  Right after the economy stabilized, the Democrats lost their filibuster-proof majority and then in November 2010 lost the House of Representatives.  The GOP ushered the President and Democrats out of the operating room and locked the doors, relying on the US economy to recover on its own.  Slowly, painfully and with the hard work of business and labor, the American economy has dragged itself off the operating room table and stands tottering, but alive to face another day.

“RECOVERY”

BG-not-looking-for-work-2014-chart-2-825

 

Yes, this is chart from the Heritage Foundation, but its also an accurate picture of the recovery.  This is has been the slowest economic recovery of any post-WW2 recession.  It took 77 months to get employment back to pre-recession levels.  Why?

Gap between what the economy is producing and what it is capable of producing

Gap between what the economy is producing and what it is capable of producing

The American economy was capable of producing much more than it did, as noted by the GDP chart above.  Why didn’t it?

ABANDONMENT

There is no more productive worker in the world than the American worker.  America is the 4th easiest place in the world to do business (according the annual World Bank rankings).  There are no more profitable corporations in the world.  If business and labor are all doing what they feel in is their best interest, then why has the recovery lagged so much compared to other recoveries?

Many conservatives would have you believe that the economy is STILL a disaster due to the reckless policies of the Obama administration.

Many liberals and moderates would have you believe that the economy is now humming along in the right direction due to the wise stewardship of the Obama administration.  These same liberals and moderates wax nostalgically for the good old Clinton days which were the impetus for the collapse of 2008.

What neither groups seem to realize (or admit) is that this is simply what the economy looks like when left to its own devices.  Nearly all of the tax laws and regulations that were in place prior to the recession are still in place.  Even Dodd-Frank is a toothless outline of laws 75% of which are still being dickered over in slow, endless Congressional committee meetings.  The ACA has had nearly no impact on the picture because nearly all of the main components of the law didn’t take place until 2013.  Essentially the economy has been left alone to heal itself for almost 4 years.  It is a testament to the American spirit and work ethic that we’ve managed to heal ourselves to the extent we have!

NOT JUST ABANDONMENT, BUT MALPRACTICE

However, the economy would look even better than it does now if Congress had simply ignored it.  Congress is the single most powerful fiscal body on the face of the earth.  There is not even a close second.  When significant legislation passes both houses, the ripple effects are felt around the globe.  The initial bailout of the American banks, investment firms and insurance companies and the subsequent foreign bank bailout by the Fed can arguably take credit for saving the global economy for nearly every person on earth.  The repeal of Glass/Steagall and other regulations by Congress also led to this disaster, but the point is made regardless.

When the private sector lies in ruin and cannot manufacture the economic activity needed to keep the economy moving forward, it is Congress’ job to inject the money and activity into the system until the private sector can.  When the economy is overheating, it is Congress’ job to pull back on spending and activity to cool the economy down.  This is how Reagan ended his recession, with massive tax cuts and massive government spending.  He and his advisors knew that when the private sector cannot, government must.

This is how W. ended his recession, with massive tax cuts and massive government spending.

The Depression was ended by the biggest government spending program in history: World War 2.

The biggest economic collapse in nearly 100 years was initially addressed by two massive injections of money and spending by Congress.  Then a particularly vicious brand of politics took over and the American economy and its citizens were deemed acceptable casualties in the ensuing battle.

Overnight, the focus left recovery and focused on deficit reduction.

A knot of new fresh-faced, shiny-eyed GOP governors and legislatures decided that laying off thousands of public workers in the middle of economic downturn was a good idea.  Nearly 750,ooo local and state public workers (almost 300k in the education field) were laid off between 2009 and 2013.

Tax cuts for workers and consumers were briefly cut, then those cuts repealed.  Tax cuts for business, more profitable then they’ve ever been, are now being discussed made permanent.  Corporate income tax cuts now the only tax cuts on the table.

We have a $2.4 Trillion backlog of rotting infrastructure and tens of thousands of unemployed construction workers.  Bills to ease that backlog? All blocked.

Borrowing costs are at near zero.  We could have re-built our entire nation top to bottom.  Instead we got austerity.

With no one watching the store, nearly 100% of all the economic gains in our recovery are going to the top 1% of earners.  Those with the money make the rules. They like the rules the way they are.

And we cheer.  We cheer a rising stock market.  It’s nice, don’t get me wrong, but nearly meaningless to nearly 60% of the country.

The deficit has fallen by nearly 60% and we cheer, even though it’s the exact opposite of what we should be focusing on.

Democrats take credit for a falling deficit and rising stock market, (they have to take credit for something don’t they??) when dysfunction and gridlock enabled the first and self-interest and low-interest rates helped enable the second.

We should have been at this place nearly 2 years ago. The anchor of Congressional neglect, animosity and incompetence has slowed the American economy by almost $1.5 trillion per year!! Imagine if there wasn’t a Democratically controlled Senate, or a Mitt Romney presidency.  What havoc would have been inflicted on us by now?

SO, NOW WHAT?

If you are like me, you are happy that we are in a much better place than we were 5 years ago.

If you are like me, you are furious and utterly sick at heart over the squandered opportunity.  We had a once-in-300 year opportunity to completely remake our nation for the better and we wasted nearly all of that opportunity.  The GOP has deliberately embarked on a sophisticated multi-layer sabotage mission on the American economy.  The Democrats too often have delicately and politely tiptoed around this fact to their electoral detriment.  Even the very fact that the Democrats trumpet deficit reduction is a mighty victory for the GOP.  The average voter shrugs, mutters and doesn’t show up to vote.

The United States has a $17 Trillion economy.  It should be a nearly $18.5 Trillion economy by now.  Malpractice and neglect have cost the citizens of this country almost $7.5 Trillion in economic activity since 2010.  That’s $23,000 in lost economic activity for every man woman and child in the United States over the last 4 years.

The American people have been getting a very expensive lesson on how much domestic power the President really has.

Those are some pretty tough conflicting emotions to handle.  What should we do with them? How does one person have any impact on a $17 Trillion economy or on a completely broken institution like Congress

You don’t.  On a federal level, one voter has as much impact as they can through volunteering, donating money, and voting. But it is a tiny ripple in a big big pond.

Short term there is almost nothing we can do save a sudden change of heart of the 60% of the electorate that is too cynical and/or disenfranchised to engage in any meaningful way in their federal government.

Long term there is a lot we can do.  There is a lot of impact we can have.

1. Start local.  I mean really local.  With yourself!  Start examining your own beliefs and biases. Dig a little deeper and start asking yourself why things are the way they are.

Unemployment is simply a monetary deficiency.  There is always way more stuff to do than workers to do it.

Budget deficits matter, just not the way you think.  When government deficits grow, private surplus also grows.

When investing and home ownership and speculation receive more preferable tax treatment than labor and production, you get a lot more of the former and a lot less of the latter.

If the rich have too little money, they’ll stop working. Really?

If the poor have too much money, they’ll stop working. Really?

The limits to the economy are not what you think they are. Many of the political people you admire either are unaware of those limits or are actively engaged in keeping those limits in place.

2. When you see someone you admire on social media (or in person!) giving credit where it is not due, or celebrating something that is actually counterproductive, bring that to their attention.  Change starts with one conversation.

3. Attend your local and county party meetings.  Start by meeting and engaging with the future Congressional reps of your party.  Start by sharing your feelings, start telling them what you think is important.  Start by making sure that school boards, precinct captaincies, county commissioners, city councils and mayoralties are staffed by people who understand what this nation needs long-term.  Better yet, do it yourself!! It may take 20/30/40 years. But change on a federal level starts from the bottom-up, not the top-down. It ain’t sexy, but its effective.

It’s how the ultra-right wing did it 40 years ago.  It took them a while, but now look where we are…

The Weekend Music Thread – Mini Themes

Welcome once again to the music thread! This weekend, I thought it would be fun for folks to create their own mini themed selections.

I used to love to make cassette tapes (I’m old) with a given theme. I would pick a song by a certain artist and then follow it with a song that played on the same subject or meaning, so the whole tape had one clear theme. It was a lot of fun and often a challenge to the old grey matter.

So, create your own mini theme by choosing a number of songs that deal with the same subject or meaning, all within one comment box. Three or four in each box would be good. Change your themes every time you start a new box. I hope you have fun and I’m looking forward to hearing some great themes/songs.

Vox Populi – 10-3-2014


Vox Populi, our weekly chat on the week’s events begins tonight at 7:00pm PDT. Hope to see you then!
adlib a day ago
uh-oh… I’m way too early for the left coasties huh? LOL
Harleigh

19 hours ago
I’m afraid. What do I do? I don’t have any quotes for this …
SearingTruth

18 hours ago
Just a little but we’ll be starting soon!
adlib 18 hours ago
ST, no worries, Vox is easy, just type away and feel free to scroll back and catch up on comments if they start coming faster.
adlib 18 hours ago
Why was my post a reply to Harliegh?
SearingTruth

18 hours ago
ST, you’ll find some when the conversation gets going.
sillylittleme

18 hours ago
Test – Trying main post …
SearingTruth

18 hours ago
ST – All comments you write appear to the right, everyone else’s appear on the left.
adlib 18 hours ago
It’s that way for everyone, so it’s easy to track your own comments and not confuse them with others you want to read.
adlib 18 hours ago
Ahhh … so it’s a strictly serial conversation among all participants? Curious. And interesting.
SearingTruth

18 hours ago
So what do we talk about?
SearingTruth

18 hours ago
Right! Vox begins in just over an hour, at 7 pm PDT. Then the party will get started and folks will be gathering.
adlib 18 hours ago
Thank you gentle friend AdLib. This is much like BBS or Newsgroups from my day, which was awesome! Sorry, I’m old … blush
SearingTruth

18 hours ago
ST – Yes, back then is when I first participated in live chats too.
adlib 18 hours ago
Gentle friend AdLib, how the world has changed. Some for better, some for worse. But all fascinating at the same time. I sure miss the flying cars though …
SearingTruth

18 hours ago
Hey there adlib, searing truth!
Harleigh

18 hours ago
How come the Flintstones became the bible for baggers and the Jetson never came about. NO FAIR!
Harleigh

18 hours ago
hi there slm
Harleigh

17 hours ago
Hi Harleigh, vox doesn’t officially start until 10 est
sillylittleme

17 hours ago
I know but I have been sick and was hungry and thought I could hit the snack table. LOL
Harleigh

17 hours ago
go for it!! gotta ease the munchies somehow
sillylittleme

17 hours ago
Maybe get some cyber soup or something. Havn’t been able to get high for a week! LOL
Harleigh

17 hours ago
where is haverhill slm?
Harleigh

17 hours ago
oh so sorry to hear, passing a fattie
sillylittleme

17 hours ago
haverhill is in ma
sillylittleme

17 hours ago
Thanks hon…. aahhh. My sister is in Bedford? and mom in Cambridge. Have not been there in over 20 years.
Harleigh

17 hours ago
you’re not missing much, lol
sillylittleme

17 hours ago
LOL I’m 66 and don’t get out to the pubs and party and have not been to the beach in decades.
Harleigh

17 hours ago
oh, i love to walk the beach. natural pedicure…
sillylittleme

17 hours ago
Last time I did that a woman complimented me on my alligator shoes. I was barefoot. confused
Harleigh

17 hours ago
you’re too funny
sillylittleme

17 hours ago
Hey there!
adlib 17 hours ago
Hey man!
Harleigh

17 hours ago
hey ad, we’re early… where did you go? there you are i type slowly
sillylittleme

17 hours ago
What’s this about not getting high?
adlib 17 hours ago
slm – I type quickly but what I type doesn’t make cantalope.
adlib 17 hours ago
Great Halloween story! I added an attraction to it also too. I came home sick last friday, missed vox and was in bed on antibiotics all week.
Harleigh

17 hours ago
Sorry to hear that Harleigh! I came down with a cold the following day but not as bad as yours sounds.
adlib 17 hours ago
Hi Kalima!!!
adlib 17 hours ago
oh harleigh, i was wondering where you were glad to hear you’re on the mend
sillylittleme

17 hours ago
last week
sillylittleme

17 hours ago
Mine always seem to be bad. I don’t get paid for not working. shit. LOL
Harleigh

17 hours ago
There are several different colds and flus already. I know…I’m apparently collecting the whole set!
adlib 17 hours ago
I like the new marketing campaign for Ebola, “Ebola Fever, catch it!”
adlib 17 hours ago
Well I got my flu shot. My pharmacist (vet) said it was 4 times stronger than last year for folks over 65 and covered 4 strains instead o just 3..
Harleigh

17 hours ago
Harleigh – Good idea! I need to have the family do the same!
adlib 17 hours ago
Obama brought it to the US to take attention away from BENGHAZI-3
Harleigh

17 hours ago
Hi ST!
Harleigh

17 hours ago
Hi!
SearingTruth

17 hours ago
Harleigh – I think you’re onto something there. Maybe Obama brought ebola over to distract from Benghazi, ISIS and Fast and Furious…and also to kill those in Republican states not covered by Medicaid under Obamacare! O-BA-MA!
adlib 17 hours ago
Hey ST!
adlib 17 hours ago
Hi!
SearingTruth

17 hours ago
Hi glenn!
adlib 17 hours ago
Is anyone here actually worried about Ebola spreading across the US?
adlib 17 hours ago
I think he did so if it wipes them out then it would be like a rapture and we could all go down there and get a free trailer!
Harleigh

17 hours ago
I am gentle friend AdLib
SearingTruth

17 hours ago
Hello all.
murphthesurf3

17 hours ago
Harleigh – It’s Obama’s answer to calls for secession. He’s making Repubs secede from life! O-BA-MA!!!
adlib 17 hours ago
hey murph!
Harleigh

17 hours ago
I don’t think it will be any worse overall than the bird flu
sillylittleme

17 hours ago
Howdy Harleigh.
murphthesurf3

17 hours ago
Hi Ad. Sorry it took me a minute to reply; I was just catching up on what’s “new” on VOX.
glenn

17 hours ago
Birds the word! LOL
Harleigh

17 hours ago
hi kalima st glenn and murph bye kalima
sillylittleme

17 hours ago
Harleigh–sorry to hear you were under the weather; glad to hear you’re better.
glenn

17 hours ago
Hi Murph, Hi SearingTruth; Hi SillyLittleMe
glenn

17 hours ago
thanks glenn
Harleigh

17 hours ago
Hi gentle friend glenn
SearingTruth

17 hours ago
Howdy and so long to Kalima….revolving door…sadly
murphthesurf3

17 hours ago
Y’all want to hear my “peeve of the week?”
glenn

17 hours ago
Hey Murph!
adlib 17 hours ago
Glenn..sure, go for it
murphthesurf3

17 hours ago
Howdy AdLib
murphthesurf3

17 hours ago
I just hope that the sequester and republiebagger bullshit did not take down the CDC.
Harleigh

17 hours ago
hey kt
sillylittleme

17 hours ago
Que pasa amigos y amigas?
killgoretrout

17 hours ago
how’s mom?
sillylittleme

17 hours ago
Hi KT
Harleigh

17 hours ago
She’s doing OK so far slm. Thanks for asking.
killgoretrout

17 hours ago
Kt…a bilingual greetings to you as well.
murphthesurf3

17 hours ago
kt – good to hear
sillylittleme

17 hours ago
Hey Harleigh!
killgoretrout

17 hours ago
What’s up Murph?
killgoretrout

17 hours ago
Hey glenn and Ad!
killgoretrout

17 hours ago
Lots of storms, rain, wind, flooding…welcome fall!
murphthesurf3

17 hours ago
Hey KT!
adlib 17 hours ago
So we are going to let Repubs take the Senate after slashing CDC funds and refusing to allow the US to have a Surgeon General?
adlib 17 hours ago
ad – hell no
sillylittleme

17 hours ago
Oh, and slashing Secret Service as well!
adlib 17 hours ago
LOL Murph… seasonal changes in the midwest can be relly relly rough.
Harleigh

17 hours ago
Okay, so I had to take Hailey to the $5 and under store to buy a present for her friend’s birthday sleepover tonight. On the way home, there were about 4 or 5 old farts standing on the side of the highway holding signs that said, “Impeach Obama” “Secure Our Borders”, and a few other ones that I couldn’t read because after all, we were on an eight-lane highway and the light was green. Anyway, bunch of old farts giving the rest of us old farts a bad name, IMO. I love the “secure our borders” one because we live in Ga, and that border in Ga is very porous! smiley
glenn

17 hours ago
Ad Lib…if stupid is any sign, the GOP got it.
murphthesurf3

17 hours ago
The GOP wants to do away with the SG?
killgoretrout

17 hours ago
Glenn…all those Floridian sneaking across your border…
murphthesurf3

17 hours ago
Ebola is a haunting virus. It actually uses a bodies immune system to make it stronger. I wish I could explain it to you, but this short sentence format does no allow it.
SearingTruth

17 hours ago
glenn – they had two people in front of the PO all week. a whopping two!!
sillylittleme

17 hours ago
Hi Searing Truth…how do you about this…what is your background in the field
murphthesurf3

17 hours ago
Hey KT–I was typing when you “checked in”. Aloha and glad to hear Mom’s doing OK.
glenn

17 hours ago
Thanks glenn!
killgoretrout

17 hours ago
LOL yeah glenn got to watch out for all those floriduh folks from coming in! LMAO
Harleigh

17 hours ago
glenn – That’s mostly what’s left of the GOP, old racist white men.
adlib 17 hours ago
AD I could not stand those bastards when they were young racist white men.
Harleigh

17 hours ago
I hear Miss Lindsey is thinking about a run for president. First woman pres?
killgoretrout

17 hours ago
KT – The GOP in The Senate have refused to approve a Surgeon General, mainly bowing to the NRA because Obama’s candidate was quoted once saying that gun proliferation is a serious health issue. Which it is of course.
adlib 17 hours ago
Murph–I know those damn Floridians coming across the border–considering that these signs were being held in the NW quadrant of GA–the FL border is about four hours drive time from here. But I think fine” GA folks were in sympathy with their TX “cousins”.
glenn

17 hours ago
KT ROTF
Harleigh

17 hours ago
KT….it would be the First Lady as President.
murphthesurf3

17 hours ago
Gentle friend MurphTheSmurf3, I learned about biology while creating a neural simulator in my youth. For Ebola infection details go to

SearingTruth

17 hours ago
KT–LOL–Lindsey Graham as the first woman president!
glenn

17 hours ago
Harleigh – And they weren’t at the top of my list as middle-aged white racists.
adlib 17 hours ago
I shudder to think of it!
killgoretrout

17 hours ago
Glenn…I join with John McCain- Secure the damn border…let’s get it done.
murphthesurf3

17 hours ago
Searing Truth…thanks for the lead. I will read it. Kenyon. Is that Kenyon college. Were you associated with Kenyon?
murphthesurf3

17 hours ago
KT – laughing – Very funny, I was thinking of the same joke, well done!
adlib 17 hours ago
Murph–I agree-secure the border–but doesn’t that cost money?
glenn

17 hours ago
Gentle friend MurphTheSmurf3, got to the Immune System Evasion section.
SearingTruth

17 hours ago
Cheers Ad!
killgoretrout

17 hours ago
ST…impressive
murphthesurf3

17 hours ago
Those states can just take money from education and HC and clean air and water to …. build… the…fence… shit, never mind.
Harleigh

17 hours ago
harleigh – that’s what they would do, but then change their mind and go to war instead
sillylittleme

17 hours ago
Harleigh–as many people have said on many other issues–the repubs don’t want to solve problems, they just want to complain that Dems don’t. If the repubs actually solved problems, what could they blame on the DEms?
glenn

17 hours ago
HOLY SHIT ST… are you like a scientist or advanced researcher on this stuff or what? This is scarey stuff and I’ll never understand it.
Harleigh

17 hours ago
Murph – That’s kind of a red herring the RW has pplayed up since the border crisis. It’s not that we’re not catching those trying to get into the US, it’s that we are catching them, especially the children, and trying to deal with them. But at least if we do better to seal our border, we’ll keep out the ISIS fighters coming to the US with Ebola!
adlib 17 hours ago
Did you all see this? ” “Family of US Ebola Patient Moves into Donated Home in Gated Community” Arranged for by the Mayor and the County Commisoner (called a Judge) who went to the apartment and personally escorted them to their new home, in the car with them. Brave and good men.

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/ebola-patients-sequestered-relatives-moving-undisclosed-location/story?id=25948830
Family of US Ebola Patient Moves Into Donated Home
Four relatives of the Texas Ebola patient who have been confined to their Dallas apartment moved to a home in a gated community given to them by an anonymous donor, according to a Dallas city official.

murphthesurf3

17 hours ago
ad – you left out benghazi
sillylittleme

17 hours ago
murph – they probably aren’t contaminated and he felt they’d be safer
sillylittleme

17 hours ago
Murph – Very cool! That’s leadership.
adlib 17 hours ago
Glenn great point. If ST is worried about this stuff it is really a cause for concern I think.
Harleigh

17 hours ago
Gentle friend MurphTheSmurf3, everything I have learned I have learned on my own. I barely graduated high school, and flunked out of college 3 times. But went on to become an embedded systems designer, making 150K to 250K a year for almost three decades.
SearingTruth

17 hours ago
SLM…they have been in that apartment with all of the waste material from their relative all a bout them. If this is how the “finest medical care” in the world works…we are in trouble.
murphthesurf3

17 hours ago
So, how about the new Clinton? Charlotte Benghazi Clinton?
killgoretrout

17 hours ago
slm – Good catch! Make that ISIS members with Ebola from Benghazi with Fast and Furious weapons wearing “Hillary Clinton 4 President!” t-shirts.
adlib 17 hours ago
Ad–It’s kinda like abortion. Pubs don’t want any woman to have an abortion; but they don’t want to take care of the children we’re forcing them to bear. We want to “seal” the border and catch those coming in, but we don’t want to treat them in a humane way, nor give them any human rights. After all, rights are only for real Amuricans!
glenn

17 hours ago
ST…truly impressive…..I had no idea.
murphthesurf3

17 hours ago
murph – sadly we’re in trouble for many reasons ebola is probably low on the list
sillylittleme

17 hours ago
ST I did 15 years as a SR system analyst for business systems on mainframes 1970-1985. LOL
Harleigh

17 hours ago
ad – much improved
sillylittleme

17 hours ago
KT….you are evil….Charlotte Beghazi Clinton
murphthesurf3

17 hours ago
I’m not worried about Ebola.
killgoretrout

17 hours ago
I try Murph!
killgoretrout

17 hours ago
Murph – Well…it is Texas which has the worst public health system in the nation…but at least they closed abortion clinics!
adlib 17 hours ago
Gentle friends, please watch this for a start: smiley_cat:fOXt4MrOM”>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3fOXt4MrOM
SearingTruth

17 hours ago
KT–You mean Charlotte–the new “crybaby/partypooper” for the Dems?
glenn

17 hours ago
hey pink
sillylittleme

17 hours ago
hi pink
Harleigh

16 hours ago
glenn?
killgoretrout

16 hours ago
On C Span today, a hearing in the House with A GOP member asking why the U.S. is not prepared enough for Ebola and why the Obama admin was not ready. Sh started to talk about the impact of the sequester on the CDC and was shut right down.
murphthesurf3

16 hours ago
G’day PPO!
killgoretrout

16 hours ago
smiley_cat:fOXt4MrOM”>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3fOXt4MrOM
sillylittleme

16 hours ago
glenn – So true! Repubs want to control the choices of the people and government but want no responsibility for the ramifications.
adlib 16 hours ago
sorry, tried to fix st’s link anyone else wanna give it a shot?
sillylittleme

16 hours ago
Sorry I meant smiley_cat:fOXt4MrOM”>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3fOXt4MrOM
SearingTruth

16 hours ago
murph – well the r’s control the house and the house controls c-span, sad but true
sillylittleme

16 hours ago
KT–You didn’t see the headline in the NY Post? It reads: “Another liberal crybaby for the Dems.” I kid you not; that’s what it says. Also says, “Party Pooper.” Murdoch showing his “class” again!
glenn

16 hours ago
SLM It work
murphthesurf3

16 hours ago
I don’t know why smiley_cat is being appended to the URL. Just go to the YouTube site to see.
SearingTruth

16 hours ago
You can all relax now, folks, I’m here. Now, what global crisis can I assist with today?
pinkpantheroz

16 hours ago
PPO–How about an Ebola cure?
glenn

16 hours ago
How low they go, glenn! Attacking a newborn child!
killgoretrout

16 hours ago
Shoot them all. No contagion! Next?
pinkpantheroz

16 hours ago
KT–Yup!
glenn

16 hours ago
murph – what a horrible way to die
sillylittleme

16 hours ago
glenn – Classy! Just like every other Murdoch rag. I’m just surprised they haven’t yet declared there is a “666” on the scalp of Baby Charlotte and that her real father is Obama.
adlib 16 hours ago
Repubs always cut stuff and yell at the dems for letting them do it like state dept security, CDC etc. Even Prick Perry did it a couple years ago. Remember he fired all the firefighters and then was begging for money AND help because… the STATE WAS ON FIRE!!!
Harleigh

16 hours ago
ST and SLM This video? smiley_cat:fOXt4MrOM”>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3fOXt4MrOM
murphthesurf3

16 hours ago
KT–And this child was born to two adult, married parents, unlike the grandchild of some former vp candidates, whose daughter gave birth while still a teenager and not married to the father of her child. Family values, dontcha know?
glenn

16 hours ago
Weird…..what is that strange extra in front of the http…
murphthesurf3

16 hours ago
How horrible are the news networks for whipping up hysteria in the public over ebola…when the fact is that no American has yet caught ebola in America?
adlib 16 hours ago
smiley_cat:fOXt4MrOM”>www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3fOXt4MrOM
sillylittleme

16 hours ago
Yes MurphTheSurf3
SearingTruth

16 hours ago
ad – weird this appends no matter how little of the url that is copied
sillylittleme

16 hours ago
Great point glenn. I also hear that Bristol has a mean right hook!
killgoretrout

16 hours ago
Harleigh – And how about the Repubs cutting funds for protecting our foreign diplomats before Benghazi? It’s of course Hillary’s fault.
adlib 16 hours ago
kt – she should become a boxer
sillylittleme

16 hours ago
Ad–did you see Jon Stewart’s take on that the other night? He showed all of the scare-mongers talking about “whatever it takes to keep Americans safe”, then showed them talking about how they don’t want the government to do anything about the two biggest killers of Americans–heart attacks and guns!
glenn

16 hours ago
Sarah Palin was so scared during that brawl she had to keep asking people ‘Do you know who I am?’ She actually forgot I suppose.
Harleigh

16 hours ago
Oh that Hillary! Playing the “new grandma card!”
killgoretrout

16 hours ago
harleigh – nice!!
sillylittleme

16 hours ago
BRB
pinkpantheroz

16 hours ago
Harleigh, Sarah Palin thinks Obama lives at 1400 Pennsylvania Avenue!
killgoretrout

16 hours ago
I happen to be a fann of Chelsea and was always angry at repubs making fun of her as a kid. assholes
Harleigh

16 hours ago
Yes sillylittleme, it is odd. I hope this works, and everyone concerned with how Ebola, and other pathogens, work will watch: smiley_cat:fOXt4MrOM”>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3fOXt4MrOM
SearingTruth

16 hours ago
glenn – Yes, I was going to post it..so why not do it now?

http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/ysfr9u/a-million-ways-to-die-in-the-u-s-
A Million Ways to Die in the U.S.
Conservatives worry about all the threats to America — except the ones that actually kill people.

adlib 16 hours ago
she doesn’t know who is buried in grant’s tomb
sillylittleme

16 hours ago
Which is actually the courtyard at the Willard Hotel, Homie. (Where Sarah and her family pull the travel trailer in when visiting DC?)
kesmarn

16 hours ago
hey kes
sillylittleme

16 hours ago
LOL! Hey Homie!
killgoretrout

16 hours ago
SLM, isn’t it washingtons horse in grants tomb?
Harleigh

16 hours ago
Hey, Planeteers! Happy Friday!
kesmarn

16 hours ago
Hi there Kes
murphthesurf3

16 hours ago
Sorry gentle friend, I can’t get rid of the smiley_cat. It appears to be dynamic.
SearingTruth

16 hours ago
Evenin’ Kes!
adlib 16 hours ago
Harleigh–I’m with you. Considering how she grew up in the spotlight, Chelsea Clinton has turned out to be a remarkable young woman. As has Amy Carter. At least neither of them are punching out people and failing even at reality shows. Personally, I don’t
glenn

16 hours ago
Hey, Murph! How’s that tooth this week?
kesmarn

16 hours ago
st – it is a cursed video, probably because of fox?
sillylittleme

16 hours ago
ST….the video plays…that is all that counts…I watched several minutes of it…I will watch the rest tomorrow
murphthesurf3

16 hours ago
Hey Kes! What’s shakin’, bacon?
glenn

16 hours ago
It’s feeling like autumn here, glenn! Getting chilly! How about your neck of the woods?
kesmarn

16 hours ago
Kes. thanks for rememberng…root canal next week…I am on an antibiotic to keep the infection down and a pain killer
murphthesurf3

16 hours ago
murph – hope that goes well
sillylittleme

16 hours ago
OOPs–personally I don’t care if anyone’s baby is born to parents who are married or not married, but don’t preach to me about “family values” when your daughter gets pregnant as a teenager and then divorces the dad, then trashes the dad on national t.v.
glenn

16 hours ago
Good to hear you’re getting it taken care of, Murph. I had a root canal and it was not bad at all! Root canals have an undeserved bad rep!
kesmarn

16 hours ago
glenn – they are trash period
sillylittleme

16 hours ago
Kes–getting chillier here, too. The past week has been in the high 80’s/low 70’s during the day, and 60’s at night. Very pleasant.
glenn

16 hours ago
Er…does anyone with the last name of Palin matter anymore? Aside from Michael Palin?
adlib 16 hours ago
LOL! glenn, that would be a huge heat wave here!
kesmarn

16 hours ago
SLM–I agree. Everytime I see an article about the palindora box of lunacy, I am so thankful that the American people are not as dumb as she thinks we are!
glenn

16 hours ago
BRB, folks!
glenn

16 hours ago
Kes….my teeth have been a source of regular problems.
murphthesurf3

16 hours ago
Choice Lady….so good to see you.
murphthesurf3

16 hours ago
Hey CL! Long time no see!
killgoretrout

16 hours ago
Toothaches are really tough. It actually gets to be hard to concentrate when they really take hold!
kesmarn

16 hours ago
hey choice
sillylittleme

16 hours ago
Hey Murph – just stopping by to say hello. Was in N’Orleans last week and managed to love every minute but get quite sick so the brain cells aren’t functioning well. How are you, how is everyone?
choicelady

16 hours ago
Kes…I have no choice but to cope.
murphthesurf3

16 hours ago
So apparently that Values Voters RW loonyfest hit the rocks on gay marriage. They’re really panicking because they see that the sandwich board signs they wear are coming true just for them, “The End Is Near!”
adlib 16 hours ago
Hey, c’lady! So good to see you!
kesmarn

16 hours ago
Hey CL! Sorry to hear that you were sick!
adlib 16 hours ago
AdLib – I keep wondering if the anti-marriage equality people (Bachmann) are worried their significant other will leave them for someone better?
choicelady

16 hours ago
Ad, “The End Is Near?” Was that a gay marriage joke?
killgoretrout

16 hours ago
Well CL, or rather well enough….The Big Easy is very fun…Post Traumatic Fun Syndrome.
murphthesurf3

16 hours ago
Murph – LOL!!! That must be it!
choicelady

16 hours ago
So…Mitt Romney is imagining that he could run again? How funny!
adlib 16 hours ago
The values folks should have seen the end coming when Ellen and Portia tied the knot! Horrors!
Harleigh

16 hours ago
C’lady, you didn’t have a chance encounter with one of those Central American Muslim illegal border-crossing Ebola carriers the GOP has been warning us about, did you?
kesmarn

16 hours ago
AdLib – Mitt? Again??? He must think he’s Ronnie…
choicelady

16 hours ago
You’re on a roll, KT! Funny!
adlib 16 hours ago
CL, I hope you didn’t try the petroleum gumbo!
killgoretrout

16 hours ago
ROMNEY/GRAHAM…the dream team…Mitt and His Lady Luck
murphthesurf3

16 hours ago
Mitt and Twit.
kesmarn

16 hours ago
One hundred at a time. So no one will notice.
SearingTruth

16 hours ago
Palin-Bachmann fer jebus! Come git yer screech on! halalujer
Harleigh

16 hours ago
CL – There was an Iowa poll released this week that showed Romney 20 points ahead of all other Repubs there. What idiots, at this point, polls are just name familiarity indicators! If Mitt thinks it actually means he could win the nom, how damn funny!
adlib 16 hours ago
Harleigh – If Jesus does return, it won’t be to Palin and Bachmann, the RW harlots of yore.
choicelady

16 hours ago
ad – let him win, he can’t win the national
sillylittleme

16 hours ago
They don’t need dog whistle language, Harliegh. Their speech is just naturally in that range anyway.
kesmarn

16 hours ago
Mitt is a little slow on the uptake!
killgoretrout

16 hours ago
Does anyone think mittys wife Money Boo Boo will let him do that again?
Harleigh

16 hours ago
AdLib – they took heart over the highly screwed up poll that said Mitt could beat PBO now. That sample was totally skewed, but it gave them heart. I say don’t tell them they are wrong. Let it rip!
choicelady

16 hours ago
money boo boo – harleigh that was good!!
sillylittleme

16 hours ago
Good one Harleigh!
killgoretrout

16 hours ago
Harleigh – yes indeed Miss Ann will have Mitt run again. She’s already picked the presidential china, fer crying out loud.
choicelady

16 hours ago
choice – he’d be likely be running against hill
sillylittleme

16 hours ago
Loved in when Jindal polled lower than “No One” for the GOP. Colbert said his campaign signs should read: “No one is more popular than Bobby Jindal.”
kesmarn

16 hours ago
slm – Yes, that’s my point, I would love to see Mitt get in the race then be hugely humiliated by not winning any primaries. He is an evil guy, compulsive liar who deserves as much public humiliation as he can get.
adlib 16 hours ago
Hey CL–good to see you!
glenn

16 hours ago
Hi glenn – lovely to see you, too! How are things in your neck of the woods?
choicelady

16 hours ago
ad – you don’t have to tell me, i’m from ma
sillylittleme

16 hours ago
Kes–I loved that “no one” line, too!
glenn

16 hours ago
Aren’t we all from ma?
killgoretrout

16 hours ago
CL – I am so with you on that, “Run, Mitt, Run! Into a wall of reality!”
adlib 16 hours ago
CL–Same old, same old, with some absolutely gorgeous weather!
glenn

16 hours ago
kes – lol
sillylittleme

16 hours ago
AdLib – I would love his totaly, utter, and thorough demise.
choicelady

16 hours ago
And pa?
killgoretrout

16 hours ago
Ad–pubs and Mitt are so stupid; they keep running into that wall of reality, and wonder why their heads hurt!
glenn

16 hours ago
kt – too funny, mass
sillylittleme

16 hours ago
glenn – glad SOMEONE has good weather! CA remains way too hot, way too dry.
choicelady

16 hours ago
Myth and Lyin Ryan could not keep their bullshit straight from on stump to the next even on the same fuckin DAY! They made themselves into jokes. Dudes! These are recording devices…. morons
Harleigh

16 hours ago
Kes – Yes, very funny indeed. No one is more popular than Jindal…so no one should beat him in a head to head race.
adlib 16 hours ago
harleigh – they don’t get technology of any sort
sillylittleme

16 hours ago
CL–sorry to hear that about your weather. Isn’t CA a little like FL in that the saying is “don’t worry, if you stick around a while, the weather will change?”
glenn

16 hours ago
The GOPers would never nominate Jindal. He’s the wrong color.
killgoretrout

16 hours ago
SLM even Palin still does not get it. LMAO
Harleigh

16 hours ago
glenn – i always thought that was said about new england
sillylittleme

16 hours ago
harleigh – totally clueless
sillylittleme

16 hours ago
KT – Ich bin ein Massachusettsian!
adlib 16 hours ago
Anybody checking out the new, slimline Bridgeblocker from NJ? Cosied up to the CBS Morning crew all smarmy. Yeuch
pinkpantheroz

16 hours ago
ad – and on yom kippur…
sillylittleme

16 hours ago
glenn – that used to be true, but now it’s scary in its endless heat, dryness. We hope just for normal. Whatever THAT is.
choicelady

16 hours ago
Ad, you too? smiley
killgoretrout

16 hours ago
AdLib – and KT – that’s funny!
choicelady

16 hours ago
SLM–well Ben Carson thinks he has a chance to be prez; even though Wallace told him it will never happen. And..Wallace is on a roll lately; told the fox bimbos and bimbettes to stop being “crybabies” about PBO calling them out on their lies!
glenn

16 hours ago
pink – he better get slim before he goes to prison and stronger too
sillylittleme

16 hours ago
PPO, how can Christie Kreme possibly think he has a shot at the presidency? Maybe his blood sugar is too low to allow his brain to function.
kesmarn

16 hours ago
How about Billo’s army of mercs to fight ISIS?
killgoretrout

16 hours ago
kes – since when does a little scandal come between a presidential GOP hopeful and reality?
choicelady

16 hours ago
Kes–Christie thinks he has a shot at the presidency because….
glenn

16 hours ago
glenn – there has to be at least one sane voice in the insanity
sillylittleme

16 hours ago
SLM, I get the creepy feeling that all his ‘peccadilloes will slowly be pushed under the carpet.
pinkpantheroz

16 hours ago
PPO, that sounds painful!
killgoretrout

16 hours ago
SLM–one sane voice, sometimes.
glenn

16 hours ago
PPO – pushing Christie’s ‘peccadillos’ under a carpet will NOT be easy.
choicelady

16 hours ago
pink – i don’t know, let’s see what the feds come up with
sillylittleme

16 hours ago
Homie, an army of mercenaries…what could possibly go wrong? I mean Blackwater is still a legend in Iraq…
kesmarn

16 hours ago
KT, blush
pinkpantheroz

16 hours ago
Ouch, a carpet burned picadillo!
killgoretrout

16 hours ago
HAHAHA Ben carson… he can’t even make a Bachmann guano pizza like herbie Cain! NEIN NEIN NEIN.
Harleigh

16 hours ago
Sorry, I meant Haemmorhoids!
pinkpantheroz

16 hours ago
Now you’re all making me thrilled about the 2016 GOP primary all over again. Criminal Christie, Joker Jeb, Graham Cracker, it’s like a Bizarro rogues gallery!
adlib 16 hours ago
Too funny Harleigh!
killgoretrout

16 hours ago
AdLib – with the GOP lineup, PPOV will never be without major material in 2016!
choicelady

16 hours ago
ad – a clown car won’t cut it any more, they have to go full monty
sillylittleme

16 hours ago
ad, the trouble is that unless the Dems GOTV in a huge way, one of ‘em could just win!
pinkpantheroz

16 hours ago
Homie, maybe Billo is now a shill for Blackwater, or Z or whatever the hell they’re calling themselves these days.
killgoretrout

16 hours ago
i mean full tilt-a-whirl
sillylittleme

16 hours ago
SLM – LAST thing I want is any of the GOP in Full Monty!!! Brain and eye bleach required!!!!
choicelady

16 hours ago
kt – wouldn’t surprise me
sillylittleme

16 hours ago
CL – No kidding! It will be wall-to-wall parodies on The Planet for two years as the Repubs go at each other!
adlib 16 hours ago
CL, with you there ( shudder)
pinkpantheroz

16 hours ago
sorry choice
sillylittleme

16 hours ago
That wouldn’t surprise me in the least, Homie. I think he’d sell his gramma if the price was right.
kesmarn

16 hours ago
and pink
sillylittleme

16 hours ago
Kochs had to buy a stretch clown bus for the 2016 show.
Harleigh

16 hours ago
KT – mercenaries are the wet dream of libertarians who want corporatins to be able to wage war, no Constitutional reserves. BillO is apparently down with that.
choicelady

16 hours ago
‘Course, his gramma would be 300 years old by now.
kesmarn

16 hours ago
harleigh -much better
sillylittleme

16 hours ago
PPO–There are encouraging signs that Dems are trying to GOTV. I read today that voter registration is up by 3,000 in Ferguson, MO. And, here in GA, an organization has registered approximately 80,000 new voters. Of course, they still have to get out and vote, but at least they’re registered.
glenn

16 hours ago
PPO – I would take any bet on that, that Dems will indeed GOTV in 2016. The very candidate that the GOP chooses will be a powerful GOTV motivator for Dems.
adlib 16 hours ago
AdLib – I love it when the GOP make job security so strong!
choicelady

16 hours ago
Boehner is pushing for Jeb to be the candidate. Will America elect a third Bush?
kesmarn

16 hours ago
Isn’t it so typical of the 1% that they’re all for outsourcing, even our conflicts?
pinkpantheroz

16 hours ago
glenn – for the last year a large number of people have been actively driving people to GET their ID and will do so to get them to the polls. It will matter!!!
choicelady

16 hours ago
SO – folks, how about 2014….do the GOP get the Senate and is losing it actually in the best interest of the Dems and Obama?
murphthesurf3

16 hours ago
Don’t any of these stupid warmongers have any rcollection of the scum that was the mercenary French Foreign Legion an how that worked out? Ever hear of the Hessians?
Harleigh

16 hours ago
PPO – it’s what the Libtards want – outsourcing everything so there is no accountability to citizens in the USA.
choicelady

16 hours ago
Well folks, time to say goodnight! Take care and be well!
killgoretrout

16 hours ago
Sick, isn’t it, CL?
pinkpantheroz

16 hours ago
G’night, Homie! Rest well.
kesmarn

16 hours ago
Harleigh – you’re thinking the warmongers actually read history? You have a kind heart.
choicelady

16 hours ago
glenn – That’s very encouraging! I think that as we get down to the last lap of this year’s election and Repubs put their madness on full display, Dems will turn out in better numbers than polls are predicting.
adlib 16 hours ago
‘Night, KT
pinkpantheroz

16 hours ago
Harleigh Adm. Dempsey has actually aid he worrie about the U.S. military become the fr for legion
murphthesurf3

16 hours ago
bye KT
Harleigh

16 hours ago
Night KT! Sleep well!
adlib 16 hours ago
KT – glad to see you if only for a moment! Be well and howdy to your wonderful Mom.
choicelady

16 hours ago
Nite KT
murphthesurf3

16 hours ago
Murph–I keep reading conflicting reports about the possibility of Dems keeping the Senate. Guess we’ll have to wait and see. Seems as though there just as many Dems shooting themselves in the foot nowadays as repubs.
glenn

16 hours ago
nite kt
sillylittleme

16 hours ago
Thanks all!
killgoretrout

16 hours ago
Glenn…that is how I see it too
murphthesurf3

16 hours ago
glenn – so far there are only two Dems who are in BIG trouble – I think the rest are doing OK.
choicelady

16 hours ago
G’night KT. Take care!
glenn

16 hours ago
LOL CL true. if Mein kampf were translated into english they would think it was brand new.
Harleigh

16 hours ago
ad – i think we hold the senate and pick up seats in both houses
sillylittleme

16 hours ago
Ad, but don’t forget the barrage of ads spewing from the Koch bros. It will be like Phil Specter’s ‘Wall of Noise” that the Dem messages may not penetrate.
pinkpantheroz

16 hours ago
Harleigh!!! Too freaking true!!!
choicelady

16 hours ago
Kes – America wants another Bush as President as much as they want Ebola. Hmm..Bush/Ebola 2016?
adlib 16 hours ago
PPO – I have read, don’t know how accurate it is, that the Koch ads aren’t working very well. One lives in hope.
choicelady

16 hours ago
LOL! Bush/ISIS would work too.
kesmarn

16 hours ago
ad – that’s a candidacy they could get behind
sillylittleme

16 hours ago
CL–IMO, we can’t to have even ONE Dem in trouble; we need to keep and gain every seat we can, in both the Senate and House!
glenn

16 hours ago
kes – well that works. Bush created ISIS so his brother should run with them.
choicelady

16 hours ago
glenn – it’s only MT for the Senate. The other one in trouble is in OH running for governor.
choicelady

16 hours ago
You bet. In fact, they might make a good mercenary force for Koch industries after the election.
kesmarn

16 hours ago
SLM–from your computer to the voters’ ballots. I’d love to see Dems pick up some seats in the House!
glenn

16 hours ago
CL, here’s hoping. Luckily, we aren’t seeing anything here in Australia, so I can’t be certain.
pinkpantheroz

16 hours ago
kes – I think, honestly, that IS the goal – a mercenary force for the Kochs.
choicelady

16 hours ago
slm – I think that’s a strong possibility, keeping the Senate and gaining some house seats. The MSM has their meme, that Repubs will win it all but when were they right last?
adlib 16 hours ago
FitzGerald’s campaign has been a disaster in Ohio. I hate to say it, but it’s true. Kasich’s gonna win.
kesmarn

16 hours ago
AdLib – all the pollsters were wrong on Senate and House last time, and most wrong on president, so…
choicelady

16 hours ago
BRB
pinkpantheroz

16 hours ago
ad – not for a long time
sillylittleme

16 hours ago
kes – what the HELL is wrong with the OH Dems? I have ties to Y’town, and they’re tearing out their hair.
choicelady

16 hours ago
I wanna see roves haid splode again muhahaha
Harleigh

16 hours ago
CL–still, we can’t afford to lose even one seat.
glenn

16 hours ago
harleigh – me too!!!
sillylittleme

16 hours ago
And, yes, c’lady. For starters, I’ve only seen one Dem ad on television. Hundreds for the GOP. I don’t get the “strategy.”
kesmarn

16 hours ago
It’s like they’ve given up.
kesmarn

16 hours ago
kes – our GOP governor candidate says he wants to be like…WALKER!!!! I say go for it – tanked the economy, last in job creation, riddled with scandal. I detest Jerry Brown, but compared to the GOP guy? He’s a saint.
choicelady

16 hours ago
Harleigh–that was fun, wasn’t it? I especially like Kelly’s comment about “not republican math, but real math.” Or something like that.
glenn

16 hours ago
I get plenty of Christ/Skeletor ads here in floridu
Harleigh

16 hours ago
OMG! Walker should only be a role-model for Satan!
kesmarn

16 hours ago
kes – OH politics on the Dem side are ridiculous. Shameful.
choicelady

16 hours ago
PPO – Even with all their money and ads in 2012, the Kochs lost big time in The Senate and House. Money is only so effective and I don’t think it’s enough to make up for the popularity gap against Repubs.
adlib 16 hours ago
kes – they apparently HAVE given up and did not need to.
choicelady

16 hours ago
On national races that is, Repubs in red states will do well.
adlib 16 hours ago
FitzGerald is a weak candidate, but the party seems to have abandoned all hope.
kesmarn

16 hours ago
CL–same here in GA. Dem politics are shameful. However, Carter (for gov.) and Nunn for Senate are giving me hope.
glenn

16 hours ago
BTW – kes I got a call from someone asking about CA citizens’ commission on redistricting so that OH, WI, etc. might go that route in 2010. We did a great job, and there is a rich progressive willing to fund such efforts in Blue turned Red states. I am suddenly VERY optimistic for you all! I’m being quoted in the report!!!
choicelady

16 hours ago
glenn – nunn’s numbers are looking good
sillylittleme

16 hours ago
What I hear re. the Dems…$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ is a real problem…..an uninformed and downright stupid voting public swayed by the tsunami of ads that are coming their way….voting GOP because their propaganda is just bigger and louder and simpler…people I helped get Health Insurance through ACA are as stuck in the Republican mire as ever.
murphthesurf3

16 hours ago
You know, I’ve been hearing a lot about how progressive DeBlasio in NY is. When is his mayoral term up? Any chance he’ll throw in his hat?
glenn

16 hours ago
Oh no, Murph – how ludicrous! Just keep reminding people that if the GOP win, THEY lose their health care!!!
choicelady

16 hours ago
CL – Very pleased to hear that! Nothing like a truly representative democracy to undermine Republicans.
adlib 16 hours ago
glenn – I hear very little good about DeBlasio in action, and it’s bitterly disappointing.
choicelady

16 hours ago
C’lady, that is great news! The gerrymandering disaster here has really demoralized a lot of people.
kesmarn

16 hours ago
CL…you wer invoved in the redistricting commission!
murphthesurf3

16 hours ago
AdLib – our friend at CC had the interviewer talk with me, and it is leading to some cool recommentations.
choicelady

16 hours ago
I heard that deBlasio did raise the NYC minimum wage to $13/hr by executive order. That’s a little something…
kesmarn

16 hours ago
SLM–Yes, her numbers are progressing, but she is still behind, I think. Depends on which poll you read, but she is gaining. I just hope she can gain enough to win. This IS a very RED state!
glenn

16 hours ago
glenn – for all our sakes i hope she wins
sillylittleme

16 hours ago
Murph – yes, we were front and center in redistricting. I once stood behind Governor Arnold in a press conference. Took shit from progressives, but we knew it would work on demographics, and it did. Our members were VERY active. BTW – Arnold Schwarzenegger has a neck without a single blemish. No freckles, pores, nothing. That’s money, honey!
choicelady

16 hours ago
I just saw Liz Warron on Maher….he closed by saying she would make a great Pres candidate…now wouldn’t she now.
murphthesurf3

16 hours ago
CL and Kes–I also heard that DeBlasio got the universal Pre-K passed. Did he?
glenn

16 hours ago
all – i’m calling it a nite the cat can’t stay off my shoulders and i can’t hold her up anymore have a great weekend
sillylittleme

16 hours ago
Murph – I LOVE Warren but don’t know she’d be a good president. She doesn’t either.
choicelady

16 hours ago
glenn, that one I don’t know about…
kesmarn

16 hours ago
CL – Wow, that’s great!
adlib 16 hours ago
G’night SLM. Nice chatting with you. Have a great weekend!
glenn

16 hours ago
I can’t wait for that smary dickweed to splain why he does not have to live in his own shithole state!!! LMAO
Harleigh

16 hours ago
G’night, SLM. Give the kitty a hug!
kesmarn

16 hours ago
nite slm
Harleigh

16 hours ago
Night SLM, have a wonderful weekend.
adlib 16 hours ago
glenn – he’s MAYOR, not in the legislature, so he might have it for NY City, NOT for the state. I lived in NY for several years, and that Universal PS was on the slate from the work of citizens, not DeBlasio.
choicelady

16 hours ago
“Night SLM – nice to see you!
choicelady

16 hours ago
Harleigh–to which smarmy dickweed are you referring? There are just so many of them, I can’t keep track!
glenn

16 hours ago
glenn – LOL!!
choicelady

16 hours ago
CL–I know he’s mayor, but he did get it for NYC, I think. It’s a start.
glenn

16 hours ago
Murph – Warren has the personal character and solid principles that could make for a remarkable President who stands firm on her goals.
adlib 16 hours ago
Ad–and Warren is wicked smart!
glenn

16 hours ago
glenn – don’t give politicians credit for what citizens do! DeBlasio has not lived up to his rep I fear.
choicelady

16 hours ago
I think she’s pretty serious about not running though. Warren, that is.
kesmarn

16 hours ago
CL–I bow to your superior knowledge. Okay, so DeBlasio’s out of the running.
glenn

16 hours ago
Kes – Agreed, this isn’t the right year for her and she knows that. But at the next opportunity? She really should.
adlib 16 hours ago
AdLib and Murph – Warren says she’s not the person to be president, and I believe her. She’s brilliant at a set number of things, NOT at ALL things, at least not yet. She has’t the temperament to be where PBO was so soon. Down the road, perhaps. But I respect her reservations about herself.
choicelady

16 hours ago
CL…have you done a post on your redistricting experience. It might be interesting. I have been using Planet Posts for content at Yabberz- my newet experiment in finding an HP sub.
murphthesurf3

16 hours ago
glenn – I don’t think he’s out of the running, but he’s not shown himself to be a leader YET.
choicelady

16 hours ago
We saw the bullet coming, and wondered if it would hurt.
SearingTruth

16 hours ago
Kes–I have mixed feelings about Warren running for President. I think she’s doing an outstanding job where she is, so I would hate to lose her there. However, I agree with Ad; I think she would make one of the best Presidents we have ever had.
glenn

16 hours ago
CL….I agree, but EW is so refreshing…..
murphthesurf3

16 hours ago
Murph – I am ON THE ROAD for the next two weeks, but after that I’d be delighted to work on that.
choicelady

16 hours ago
Murph – yes, she IS refreshing.
choicelady

16 hours ago
I truly hope she does, AdLib. She’d be great. The thing is, she’s already in her 60’s so she’d better make a move relatively soon…
kesmarn

16 hours ago
ST – lost me here. What bullet and from where?
choicelady

16 hours ago
glenn, she really is needed in the Senate. No doubt!
kesmarn

16 hours ago
CL. make sure I know about it…..I would love to post it at Yabberz and at Daily Kos……
murphthesurf3

16 hours ago
kes – she’s in her 60s???? I really did’t know that.
choicelady

16 hours ago
Kes – Right, that’s why I say next opportunity.
adlib 16 hours ago
Murph – nagging me is always useful!
choicelady

16 hours ago
Yes, she looks great, doesn’t she?
kesmarn

16 hours ago
choicelady – Ebola. From everywhere.
SearingTruth

16 hours ago
CL….you are among the busiest persons I know…..I would never nag you.
murphthesurf3

16 hours ago
She’s 65.
kesmarn

16 hours ago
kes – I live in jealous regard then. She’s lovely.
choicelady

16 hours ago
Kes and Ad–60’s is new 40’s nowadays!
glenn

16 hours ago
Murph – because I’m busy nagging is the only way to get me to focus!! Seriously – I’m encouraging it!
choicelady

16 hours ago
She’s in great shape, too. Still skiing and hiking.
kesmarn

16 hours ago
glenn – I totally (cough) agree with that. 60s are the new 40s indeed!!!
choicelady

16 hours ago
Choice….i would volunteer to help you with the editing, formatting etc. I am good at that.
murphthesurf3

16 hours ago
kes – I never skiied. That’s where I’ve gone wrong…
choicelady

16 hours ago
Murph – thank you!
choicelady

16 hours ago
I did. Once! And I used to water ski…. But it’s been a while…!
kesmarn

16 hours ago
Hi funk!
murphthesurf3

16 hours ago
Evening everyone
funksands

16 hours ago
Da Funk is in the house!
glenn

16 hours ago
“Dallas Dept of Health” indeed, Funkie! You rogue!
kesmarn

16 hours ago
The approach was from behind, vanquishing as we squabbled.
SearingTruth

16 hours ago
kes – I was a GREAT water skier! When I was 13. I loved it but did it only one summer. Sigh…
choicelady

16 hours ago
It’s really fun!
kesmarn

16 hours ago
FUNK!!!! How the hell are you???
choicelady

16 hours ago
BRB
kesmarn

16 hours ago
Howdy everyone. I’m good. Tanned and rested and back from vacation
funksands

16 hours ago
Hi Choice, long time no time
funksands

16 hours ago
Funk–where did you vacation? Pardon me for being nosy!
glenn

16 hours ago
kes – I totally loved water skiing, but I never went back where I could do it. I lived in the flatlands where I could not snow ski either.
choicelady

16 hours ago
Funk…where were you?
murphthesurf3

16 hours ago
Welcome back, Funk! Wasn’t that a tv show?
adlib 16 hours ago
glenn – I’m with you: where were you, Funk?
choicelady

16 hours ago
Southern Utah. Took my mom to Bryce, Zion and Grand Canyon N’tl parks
funksands

16 hours ago
Funk…nice
murphthesurf3

16 hours ago
Oh wow – I was just in Utah – for about three hours on I-80. Never saw the good stuff. I am drooling in envy.
choicelady

16 hours ago
Funk–great places! I’ll get there someday!
glenn

16 hours ago
Ad, it should be. Double and triple meaning in that title.
funksands

16 hours ago
It was amazing. Weather didn’t cooperate, but it was still great
funksands

16 hours ago
Murph, my mom just arrived in Missouri today to visit family. All of my dad and mom’s sides of the family hail from down there.
funksands

15 hours ago
Funk dear – why are you listed as coming from the Dallas Dept. of Health? You dealing with ebola now?
choicelady

15 hours ago
Maybe
funksands

15 hours ago
Funk..where?
murphthesurf3

15 hours ago
Rolla originally. Now scattered to the KC and St. Louis area
funksands

15 hours ago
funk…ah
murphthesurf3

15 hours ago
Funk – where is Rolla? My grandfather hailed from NW MO.
choicelady

15 hours ago
Almost smack dab in the center of the state
funksands

15 hours ago
Funk, I’m looking forward to the Repubs setting up internment camps for Dems to protect against Ebola and ISIS, hope they set up one in Utah so we can enjoy the scenery.
adlib 15 hours ago
funksands

15 hours ago
Funk – I’m so sorry. That’s the least interesting part.
choicelady

15 hours ago
Too soon for an ebola plushie?
funksands

15 hours ago
Yeah, you are telling me.
funksands

15 hours ago
funk – LOL!!!!
choicelady

15 hours ago
Ad, that would be nice. It would be a dry internment
funksands

15 hours ago
funk and AdLib – if some of us are to be interned, let there be drink.
choicelady

15 hours ago
Do I see Searing Truth on the board tonight? Great to see you my friend
funksands

15 hours ago
Any thoughts from anyone on the SECRET SERVICE?
murphthesurf3

15 hours ago
All I can say is good riddance to Pierson!
kesmarn

15 hours ago
murph – I cannot help but wonder if the ‘mistakes’ are to get rid of the female leader…and possible the President of Color…
choicelady

15 hours ago
Murph, its almost unbelievable how bad this is. It would be comical if it didn’t involve the safety of the President. Did all of this go on under W too?
funksands

15 hours ago
They need to dump that DEA hog too, Leonhart?
Harleigh

15 hours ago
kes – I don’t disagree but this predates her tenure. I am horrified.
choicelady

15 hours ago
funk – nope. Security under W was very good.
choicelady

15 hours ago
I hear you, c’lady. One analyst tonight said that the culture at the SS was like “Spring Break”… That about sums it up.
kesmarn

15 hours ago
Maybe we should hire Hell’s Angels for security. I hear they’re good.
funksands

15 hours ago
PIERSON appeared before the House Gov. Committee (ISSA’s crowd) four months ago and asked for authority fire people in the SS and the committee did Nada…she also asked about filling 100 empty slots and about ending the the practice of making the SS a dumping ground for less than able DEA, ATF, and FBI agents…
murphthesurf3

15 hours ago
Blackwater maybe, funk?
kesmarn

15 hours ago
Murph–My thoght(s) on the SS–scary!
glenn

15 hours ago
For those who still don’t how Ebola infection is unique, and how it uses the immune system to strengthen it, please visit ”

” and take special note of the “Immune System Evasion” section.

SearingTruth

15 hours ago
Thanks, ST. I will read it.
choicelady

15 hours ago
CL – I don’t know, she was pretty dishonest and incompetent, saying that she wanted to change the SS from being intimidating to being friendly like Disneyworld. I think she is one of those people who may have been fine as an agent but had no mond for management. No question that the SS only worsened under her. And her dishonesty in the Congressional hearing exposed her irresponsibility.
adlib 15 hours ago
thanks ST
Harleigh

15 hours ago
funksands – I am here, and am glad you are as well.
SearingTruth

15 hours ago
The business of the guy with the gun on the elevator with the Prez was pretty appalling.
kesmarn

15 hours ago
Ad–IMO, the Secret Service should be intimidating!
glenn

15 hours ago
Let me say again…something fishy i going on here….PIERSON appeared before the House Gov. Committee (ISSA’s crowd) four months ago and asked for authority fire people in the SS and the committee did Nada…she also asked about filling 100 empty slots and about ending the the practice of making the SS a dumping ground for less than able DEA, ATF, and FBI agents…
murphthesurf3

15 hours ago
AdLib – She’s hopeless, but there have been earlier awfulnesses before she was put in charge. Something nasty is going on there.
choicelady

15 hours ago
Murph – Then what she should have done is used the Congressional hearing to declare that this is the result of their refusal to support the changes she allegedly was lobbying for. Instead, she was disingenuous.
adlib 15 hours ago
Murph – I’d not know any of that, and it’s scary bad.
choicelady

15 hours ago
murph they sure proved it
Harleigh

15 hours ago
Harleigh – I’m sorry it didn’t display correctly gentle friend. But hopefully most will decipher it.
SearingTruth

15 hours ago
Ad…and I do not know why she didn’t…like I said fishy.
murphthesurf3

15 hours ago
Murph–so typical of our congress nowadays; especially the House. Make sure that government doesn’t work, then complain that government doesn’t work.
glenn

15 hours ago
ST – that’s powerful information. Is the West African strain the Zaire strain? We get powerfully LITTLE info from the media.
choicelady

15 hours ago
Adlib, I’ve been meaning to ask – will this Vox style be able to be archived? I’d love to revisit earlier ones.
pinkpantheroz

15 hours ago
Well, kids. Going on midnight here, so I’ll have to call it a day. Have a great weekend, all!
kesmarn

15 hours ago
funksands

15 hours ago
LMAO
Harleigh

15 hours ago
Night Kes!
funksands

15 hours ago
Funk…you are so quick
murphthesurf3

15 hours ago
nite kes
Harleigh

15 hours ago
PPO–I have that same question. Usually, I leave VOX pretty early and I used to be able to read it the next day. I haven’t been able to figure out how to do that with this new format.
glenn

15 hours ago
kes – good night! Hope you have a lovely weekend! See you in a couple of Fridays – be well!
choicelady

15 hours ago
Ah… I Xe it all clearly now, funk. It’s all Academi-c…
kesmarn

15 hours ago
G’night, again!
kesmarn

15 hours ago
Funk – smiley
pinkpantheroz

15 hours ago
Murph, read it above, that’s why I say I don’t buy her portraying herself as a reformer when she passed up this huge opportunity to do so and instead was stonewalling the hearing. She is not a good guy who got screwed, she is a part of the problem.
adlib 15 hours ago
‘Night,Kes. Sleep well.
glenn

15 hours ago
kes – TOO FUNNY!
choicelady

15 hours ago
Oh Kes, you are so adroit ;-)
funksands

15 hours ago
Night, Kes.
pinkpantheroz

15 hours ago
Night Kes, sleep well!
adlib 15 hours ago
So what other gripping topics are on the burner tonight? I have a post coming discussing all of the “great” economic news we’ve been getting lately
funksands

15 hours ago
Ad Lib…I wonder if she was told to fall on her sword…I wonder what else is going on there….I wonder if there is a far deeper and worse secret here…..JFK was despised by many in the SS and two of them were on his Dallas detail.
murphthesurf3

15 hours ago
AdLib – I have a friend with a friend in the White House detail who said the threats are despicable to the point where the First Family said ‘tell us what to do. Don’t tell us why.” It was too gross and too scary.
choicelady

15 hours ago
Wow
funksands

15 hours ago
Choice….I have a presence on two other sites…and I regularly read this crap.
murphthesurf3

15 hours ago
Murph – that’s EXACTLY why this creeps me out! Read “Best Evidence” by David Lifton for some truly scary info on the JFK assassination and the probable role of the Secret Service.
choicelady

15 hours ago
PPO – Yes, all Vox Populis are archived, you can find the previous editions in the list of posts on the front page and older pages. They are titled like this: “Vox Populi – 10-3-2014″.
adlib 15 hours ago
It’s going to get worse. I am really a bit nervous about a Hillary candidacy while an Obama presidency. The whacko birds will be in full plumage
funksands

15 hours ago
GREAT, Ad thanks!
pinkpantheroz

15 hours ago
Choice….the foiled Chicago attempt, three weeks before Dallas was never known to the advance team going into Dallas. My suspicions at this pont are very hight.
murphthesurf3

15 hours ago
choicelady – I believe that it is an unknown mutation. It appears to be much less lethal than any strain I have encountered. And as of this moment I haven’t seen the CDC announce its strain. I believe is a natural adoption of a previous strain that spread because the people it infected lived longer, and spread the virus further. But I have no scientific data to back up that theory.
SearingTruth

15 hours ago
funk – whacko birds are what I deal with regularly both academically AND personally. I’ve had five friends and allies murdered by them, and I’m not at all sanguine that it cannot happen again.
choicelady

15 hours ago
Anyone here ever read the “Hot Zone”?
funksands

15 hours ago
ST – what little I’ve read would confirm your assessment. Thank you for sharing this.
choicelady

15 hours ago
Choice- ebola expert…you ep impressing me.
murphthesurf3

15 hours ago
ST, that’s an interesting theory.
funksands

15 hours ago
Did anyone else see where the repub AG candidate in AL (I think it was AL) was denied voter registration because she didn’t follow the law? And, of course, she’s whining about it?
glenn

15 hours ago
Murph – I’m with you on that worry.
choicelady

15 hours ago
Funk – Excellent! Looking forward to that post, high time that the positives of the economy were laid out.
adlib 15 hours ago
Ad…er…yeah that’s what it’ll be…
funksands

15 hours ago
Still waiting for the GOP to bleat about the drop in unemployment.
pinkpantheroz

15 hours ago
Murph – no expert. ST has the details, and that’s the best I’ve read. I’m paying attention but not fearful. I once wanted to be an epidemiologist but can’t hack the math. So I read other people’s work!!!
choicelady

15 hours ago
CL – In a thumbnail, how does “Best Evidence” describe the SS’s contribution to JFK’s shooting?
adlib 15 hours ago
Ad Lib and Funk….I noted the “great” in your note…are you thinking “not so great?”
murphthesurf3

15 hours ago
glenn – well, of COURSE she’s whining! It’s what the RW does best!
choicelady

15 hours ago
PPO, they never will. To admit its a good thing would counter their argument that Obama is destroying America. To call it bad makes them look stupid, so they’ll just say nothing.
funksands

15 hours ago
Holy crap CHOICE.. DUCK!
Harleigh

15 hours ago
Murph, its more complicated than that. We are getting genuinely good news. But its coming despite our best efforts and with credit owed to almost no one post-2010.
funksands

15 hours ago
Funk – Always prefer to see the truth as opposed to what makes Obama look good or bad. I know there’s mixed news about how many have dropped out of the workforce but don’t know the stats on how many are now self-employed or started their own businesses.
adlib 15 hours ago
AdLib – he tracked the minute evidence – what the body left Dallas in, what the body arrived in at Bethesda. What the Dallas docs said vs what the Bethesda docs showed from their ‘analysis’. The total inconsistencies in evidence TX to Washington, and that the capacity to divert the body and tamper with evidence (the body is always the ‘best evidence’) required close and powerful assets to make happen. He says CIA more than SS. But it’s a damned scary book.
choicelady

15 hours ago
Funk…write something that will help me understand and I will do a reference post for it in two other spots.
murphthesurf3

15 hours ago
Harleigh – I live with security lights and cameras. Already ducking, thanks.
choicelady

15 hours ago
PPO–Don’t hold your breath waiting for the gop to say anything good about the Prez. They still haven’t acknowledged how much the deficit has dropped. And…conceivably, they could take credit for that with the sequester and all. They’d rather complain and whine and throw cheap pot shots than govern!
glenn

15 hours ago
you got that right, glenn.
pinkpantheroz

15 hours ago
glenn – that’s a super synthesis of the GOP mindset!
choicelady

15 hours ago
Glenn…do you realize how savvy you have become in the last year? You really capture the political process very well…I remember when you were kinda shy!
murphthesurf3

15 hours ago
Gentle friends choicelady and funksands, our main worry now is that given the number of hosts, it could become airborne. I don’t say that to panic anyone, it’s just a mathematical fact that the more generations a virus is able to reproduce, the more likely it is to become airborne. Then we will truly be in danger. I know many think I’m advertising, but I warned of this in A Future of the Brave. I don’t get anything by mentioning it. I’m not selling anything. Just a free warning.
SearingTruth

15 hours ago
Murph, I think that everyone’s game has been enhanced by the repartee here. Mine certainly has.
pinkpantheroz

15 hours ago
ST – I heard a really good microbiologist say that the chances of airborne are very, very, very low. That helped a lot.
choicelady

15 hours ago
ST- you should take your observations here and your video link and put them altogether in a very straight forward post for the front pages. You are offering some important info here.
murphthesurf3

15 hours ago
Murph–thank you. I feel so “safe” in this environment. Even when I’m wrong, I’m corrected gently, and with FACTS! I’m always willing to learn, and I feel I have learned so much from the people here, and from the information and links I get here. It means a lot to me coming from you that you think I”ve grown.
glenn

15 hours ago
Kes–thanks, I try not to be too verbose.
glenn

15 hours ago
glenn – I second Murph! I always learn from YOU!
choicelady

15 hours ago
We were like real close to some other pandemics too ST. I want to believe they will keep this one at bay too.
Harleigh

15 hours ago
Glenn…I think you knew a lot in your first weeks, but you were reticent….now you are a tiger…grrrrr!
murphthesurf3

15 hours ago
CL, just check out ‘Executive Orders” by Tom Clancy. that had a fictional plot to spread Ebols by aerosol, but the methods to fix it were straightforward (it being fiction, of course), but I think any outbreak is capable of being contained.
pinkpantheroz

15 hours ago
Harleigh – I do actually think MOST of our medical system, esp. public health, is pretty good. I am concerned, not fearful. Hope I’m right!
choicelady

15 hours ago
PPO I agree…my interactive skills on line have been sharpened here as well.
murphthesurf3

15 hours ago
glenn – You are a strong and insightful voice here!
adlib 15 hours ago
Choice- high praise from you.
murphthesurf3

15 hours ago
PPO – I do think the protocols are good, but the oopsie moment came in the Dallas hospital where they asked NO questions and sent to poor guy HOME. Duh!
choicelady

15 hours ago
Ad…and to you goes many huzzahs for assembling this group….you call us together.
murphthesurf3

15 hours ago
It is easier to get anthrax, the plague, AIDS than ebola. The hysteria over this disease is unreal.
funksands

15 hours ago
Murph—thanks!
glenn

15 hours ago
choicelady – Gentle friend, I understand. And hope they are right. Remember, I’m like the “jack of all trades” from the 50’s. I don’t know everything, just a moderate amount about a lot of stuff. But I do believe there is reason for concern, and the next three weeks will tell us much. Gentle friend, I hope you are right, and I am wrong.
SearingTruth

15 hours ago
Ad–Thank you. I hope I contribute to the conversation here; I feel I”m in great company!
glenn

15 hours ago
You are more likely to be mauled by a black panther in your back yard than to contract ebola. Its staggeringly remote.
funksands

15 hours ago
Funk that’s a relief because that crackho I picked up last week….. uh never mind. LOL
Harleigh

15 hours ago
funk – I agree. That said, even anthrax is slippery. It has different forms, one lethal, others not. We don’t know anything as a body of people, so we panic over what we don’t know rather than what we DO know.
choicelady

15 hours ago
Everyone but you Harleigh. You are in grave danger.
funksands

15 hours ago
Harleigh!!!!!
choicelady

15 hours ago
CL, that was bad, but hopefully, the already overworked nurses will learn to pass on this kind of info. Don’t forget, not every nurse is au fait with Ebola or many haemorragic diseases.
pinkpantheroz

15 hours ago
Funk..the GOP is alway warning us about black panthers..
murphthesurf3

15 hours ago
CL–that is a great compliment to me–that you learn from me. You have so much knowledge and historical perspective; I am humbled that you feel you can learn anything from me.
glenn

15 hours ago
Murph that deserves a rim shot. Nice!
funksands

15 hours ago
CL – I am not so concerned because of the fact that more than 10,000 people have traveled from that region in Africa to the US over the last year and only one visitor came down with it? This is not a highly contagious disease and even less sophisitcated nations in Africa have shut it down by just following common sense procedures.
adlib 15 hours ago
PPO – thank goodness we don’t have such familiarity, but that ought to have been asked. The public health people ARE doing good work in the aftermath, and they believe they have all the contacts discovered and the people quarentined. Hope they’re correct.
choicelady

15 hours ago
Ad–I second Murph’s huzzahs!
glenn

15 hours ago
That’s it! I’m putting up my republican plastic and duct tape shield from their last wmd scare!
Harleigh

15 hours ago
Ebola is an incredibly interesting disease. It is also a very showy disease. It is not however, an exceptionally dangerous disease. If the flu made you bleed out of every orofice, we’d probably pay more attention to it.
funksands

15 hours ago
CL…your confidence gives me confidence
murphthesurf3

15 hours ago
Harleigh–don’t forget your face mask!
glenn

15 hours ago
Harleigh….why don’t you marked them at one of the Red State sites.
murphthesurf3

15 hours ago
Murph I agree. Choice is fearless though. (Except for clowns)
funksands

15 hours ago
AdLib – the problems in W. Africa is that until the containment equipment arrives from our troops, they can’t contain it well. Once the mobile (MASH) tents arrive and are installed, they are sitting ducks a la the 14th century Black Plague. It requires equipment AND training, and we’re providing that, but until then, it’s primitive and not going well.
choicelady

15 hours ago
funk – CLOWNS??????? DAMN!!!
choicelady

15 hours ago
CL – Well explained. The start up of operations is a dangerous period for our military but once they’ve set up containment resources, ebola will be quickly restrained.
adlib 15 hours ago
murphthesurf3 – I thought it would be too technical. To understand the video, and especially the infection mechanism, requires at least a minimal level of knowledge of cellular biology. But if you think others would understand I’ll do it. It would be better if I included an introduction to cells, but I think that would be way too long and lose everyone.
SearingTruth

15 hours ago
Okay folks, time for me to call it a night. Thank you all for being so supportive, informative, and, not least of all, funny! Hope everyone has a great weekend. Take care. And can I have one more “Go Hailey” for the team?
glenn

15 hours ago
funk – since I got sick in New Orleans and KNEW it wasn’t ebola, my worry, for various reasons, was that it was Legionnaires’ Disease. I was surrounded by molds and potentially contaminated water sources in aerosol form. That said, I’m getting a bit better already. But these are the things we SHOULD worry about, not ebola.
choicelady

15 hours ago
Dr. Paul Farmer who really knows the third world and its disease issues….wrote a memo to key supporters that the outreach to the U.S. Army is unprecendented….so the Ebola outbreak carries something more with it…
murphthesurf3

15 hours ago
glenn – GO HAILEY!!!! Have a blast, glenn, and get both fun AND rest this weekend!
choicelady

15 hours ago
CL, another big problem is the locals utter lack of trust in there public institutions.
funksands

15 hours ago
Glenn, it was great seeing you again
funksands

15 hours ago
Exactly CL
funksands

15 hours ago
CL – There are an array of colds and flus going around, I’ve sampled three in the last three weeks…none of which were deadly though.
adlib 15 hours ago
AdLib – are you OK????
choicelady

15 hours ago
At least I think they weren’t deadly.
adlib 15 hours ago
go hailey, nite glenn
Harleigh

15 hours ago
Nite Glenn! Charge on!
murphthesurf3

15 hours ago
AdLib – well if they WERE deadly, you’re toughing it out beautifully.
choicelady

15 hours ago
Ad, was it a Hickory Farms sampler?
funksands

15 hours ago
Fine, CL but am looking forward to not being sick with something new next week.
adlib 15 hours ago
funk – Hickory Farms would kill ANYONE off.
choicelady

15 hours ago
CL….L-Disease…good Lord.
murphthesurf3

15 hours ago
Ad…are you sick this week?
murphthesurf3

15 hours ago
Funk – When I bought that Cold Pack at the drug store, I didn’t realize that it meant it contained a variety of colds. Gotta read those labels.
adlib 15 hours ago
Murph – I’ve not been sick at all with anything in three years, and I’m miserable with whatever hit me in NO. I was exposed to a lot of weird stuff down there. Makes one wonder.
choicelady

15 hours ago
AdLib – yeah. One needs to understand nuance…
choicelady

15 hours ago
Murph – I was, doing okay now.
adlib 15 hours ago
CL….Weird and Nawlins…who’d a thunk it.
murphthesurf3

15 hours ago
Ad…glad to hear it.
murphthesurf3

15 hours ago
CL, it wouldn’t surprise me to see that a general level of illness has been higher in that town since Katrina and the subsequent stirring of the stew down there
funksands

15 hours ago
AL I got my flu shot and he told me it was the HD one for 4 strains and extra strenth for over 65. Should I forget the duct tape for now??
Harleigh

15 hours ago
AdLib – sorry to hear it. Murph – LOVE Nawlins, don’t think it loved me.
choicelady

15 hours ago
Harleigh – if you get the duct tape, don’t forget the plastic wrap.
choicelady

15 hours ago
CL – Don’t forget that in NO, you’ve got the remnance from the BP spill. Still don’t know about eating shellfish or fish from around there.
adlib 15 hours ago
Harleigh…and the tin foil!
murphthesurf3

15 hours ago
funk – our guide on the swamp tour had a bit to say about weird stuff…
choicelady

15 hours ago
Oh yeah, Ad that’s a good point. And you are downwind from all of the refineries in Texas
funksands

15 hours ago
What a shithole!
funksands

15 hours ago
AdLib – ate the fish, shellfish, no prob. It was the inhaled mists from AC added to 1840s buildings that seems to have been the problem.
choicelady

15 hours ago
We suddenly discovered we had already surrendered.
SearingTruth

15 hours ago
ST – speak for yourself! I will NOT surrender!!! Snark, spit, cough yes. Surrender? Never!
choicelady

15 hours ago
I gave up tinfoil for a colander when I became a Pastafarian!
Harleigh

15 hours ago
Well, gang…tiring out….Took some folks to a 2 AM Metro Link Bus last night and have not recovered yet. So, it is off to lumberland for me.
murphthesurf3

15 hours ago
Folks I gotta roll. Have a great weekend everyone!!
funksands

15 hours ago
Night Murph
funksands

15 hours ago
CL – If you’re certain of that. I just know that oil and that toxic chemical dispersant just inundated the sealife there.
adlib 15 hours ago
Oh good Murph – sorry you were up so late. Be well. I, too, am pulling out since I got home about the same time as you. Bouncing back isn’t as easy anymore is it? Old age is NOT for sissies!
choicelady

15 hours ago
Night Murph! Have a great weekend!
adlib 15 hours ago
Searing Truth…before I go…write your Ebola post like you wrote tonight. Very simple language. Very direct. Maybe use bullet points….Tell us what ist is and what it might be…
murphthesurf3

15 hours ago
The shellfish mostly are from Pontchatrain – much, much safer.
choicelady

15 hours ago
Heading out Funk? Have a great weekend and welcome back!
adlib 15 hours ago
choicelady – You are a treasure of humanity. If I am near I will hold and comfort you, and share in your fate.
SearingTruth

15 hours ago
ST – you ARE near if you really are in Gilroy! I’m near Sacramento. Thank you, nice person.
choicelady

15 hours ago
CL – That is better. Just sad that we have to worry about such a thing.
adlib 15 hours ago
Nite all…great Vox this week thumbsup wink thumbsup
murphthesurf3

15 hours ago
I learned a whole lot from the local folks and loved what I saw.
choicelady

15 hours ago
nite murph
Harleigh

15 hours ago
Night everone – be safe, be well, and wear masks.
choicelady

15 hours ago
Goodnight, Murph. Don’t blush, but it’s your input that makes Vox what it is.
pinkpantheroz

15 hours ago
night, CL
pinkpantheroz

15 hours ago
PPO -= I second that about Murph but also about YOU and everyone here.
choicelady

15 hours ago
Night CL! Have a nice weekend! Let me know when you’re back in town for a while!
adlib 15 hours ago
PPO…well….I think the spot light shines on a lot of people here, including yourself…..
murphthesurf3

15 hours ago
CL…econd that.
murphthesurf3

15 hours ago
AdLib – I took our case to our mutual CC friend – I will likely see her Monday before I hit the road from the 7th through the 19th. I am LEANING ON HER. I will let you know what happens!
choicelady

15 hours ago
Vox is our local bar and its very cool character and conversations come from all who join in here, appreciate everyone who brings their voice to the conversation!
adlib 15 hours ago
Let’s not all descend into mutual admiration. Then again, why not! smiley
pinkpantheroz

15 hours ago
Good night everyone – sweet dreams and a better reality!
choicelady

15 hours ago
CL – Very cool, look forward to hearing her response! Thanks so much for doing that!
adlib 15 hours ago
Nite choicelady.
Harleigh

15 hours ago
PPO – Nothing wrong with buying each other a drink.
adlib 15 hours ago
Mine’s a Scotch!
pinkpantheroz

15 hours ago
I got this round!
adlib 15 hours ago
Ok…this time I really am out th door…just wanted to hang about a read the kudo fest….all so well deserved. heart wink
murphthesurf3

15 hours ago
Warm out in LA, a cold frosty beer works for me!
adlib 15 hours ago
Heh! Cheers Murph!
adlib 15 hours ago
all I ever liked drinkin was ice cold beer
Harleigh

15 hours ago
Actually, I developed an allergy to beer, dammit! So I can’t have a coldie at all.
pinkpantheroz

15 hours ago
PPO – That’s a drag! Is it the grain?
adlib 15 hours ago
Woh! Wait a minute…now as I am leaving you are opening the bar….I want a dark rum and coke with a lime twist in a tub! Oh….and sharp wisconsin cheese on water crackers for snacking…. smiling_imp
murphthesurf3

15 hours ago
oh geez pink
Harleigh

15 hours ago
Murph – done and done! Nachos and hot wings on the way.
adlib 15 hours ago
too.
adlib 15 hours ago
Sounds good. Real good.
murphthesurf3

15 hours ago
I think it is the crystal malt they use, or maybe the hops. Whatever, i can’t touch the stuff any more, so have to make do with watered-down spirits. Not my favorite
pinkpantheroz

15 hours ago
Murph, I’ll have a French onion Soup with mine!
pinkpantheroz

15 hours ago
sunglasses AH! So refreshing! smiley
murphthesurf3

15 hours ago
PPO – Wonder if you had an allergy test if you could find a brew that was free of what you’re allergic to?
adlib 15 hours ago
Gentle friends, I see many ways to conquer the earth, and few ways to save it. We should have started on the saving part decades ago. If we had we wouldn’t be facing this all too predictable catastrophe.
SearingTruth

15 hours ago
Mojito anyone?
adlib 15 hours ago
Ad, I think maybe some local microbrewery, with pure ingredients might be OK, but I’m reluctant to try.
pinkpantheroz

15 hours ago
Well…now I need to find my desigated driver to get me home…. satisfied
murphthesurf3

15 hours ago
PPO – I understand, don’t blame you. But…if you did find a beer that you weren’t allergic to, you’d have one long celebration!
adlib 15 hours ago
You got that SO right, AD!!!
pinkpantheroz

15 hours ago
Murph – Just text UberPlanet.
adlib 15 hours ago
I drank lots of beer from the mid 60’s until 1990. No meetings, didn’t see god, just quit. took another 20 years to finally quit smoking! Now I’ll get old and fuckin die of nothin.
Harleigh

15 hours ago
UberPlanet….Got it.
murphthesurf3

15 hours ago
Harleigh – Well done!
adlib 15 hours ago
Car is here…taaa taaaa sleeping awaits
murphthesurf3

15 hours ago
Seeya, Murph! Don’t forget to tip!
adlib 15 hours ago
Harleigh, well done and I really don’t miss it much. Just the occasional longing when I see it on TV!
pinkpantheroz

15 hours ago
Got married exactly 1 year befor Hurricane Andrew, so I don’t chase women anymore… shit… maybe I’m already dead!!
Harleigh

15 hours ago
Tip: Brush your teeth after every meal and have regular checkups!
murphthesurf3

15 hours ago
LOL
Harleigh

15 hours ago
laughing
murphthesurf3

15 hours ago
Goodnight gentle friends.
SearingTruth

15 hours ago
Night ST. real pleasure.
Harleigh

15 hours ago
Night ST!
adlib 15 hours ago
Harleigh – That’s not death, that’s marriage. I’ll let you explain the difference.
adlib 15 hours ago
ST is right we should have been cleaning shit up starting in the 50’s.
Harleigh

15 hours ago
See ya ST…great contributions tonight.
murphthesurf3

15 hours ago
Harleigh – We should have been doing a lot of things since the 50’s.
adlib 15 hours ago
too bad we were just little kids and didn’t know better.
Harleigh

15 hours ago
G’night ST
pinkpantheroz

15 hours ago
Harleigh – Until time machines are invented, people will always look back and say, “If only we knew then…” Then again, once time machine’s are invented, reality will be destroyed when everyone goes back in time to pick the winning lottery tickets.
adlib 14 hours ago
Well, I’d better bid you all a goo night. Tonight ( sat/Sun Morning ) we Spring Forward, so I don’t know where I’ll fit in next week. Ah, well, never mind. Cheerio from a warm Melbourne afternoon.
pinkpantheroz

14 hours ago
Cheerio, PPO! Have a great weekend!
adlib 14 hours ago
nite Pink I’m gone also too. a pleasure as always
Harleigh

14 hours ago
Night Harleigh! Hope you have a great weekend!
adlib 14 hours ago
See’ya Harleigh and Ad
pinkpantheroz

14 hours ago
thanks al, you too
Harleigh

14 hours ago
Nite all!
adlib 14 hours ago