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AdLib On December - 9 - 2009

closedSince the orbit of The Planet periodically brings it close to the wormhole that is The Huffington Post (mainly after full moons), I think it is high time that I made an oath here and now to stop talking about the trolls and personal conflicts at Huffington Post.

After all, the whole point of being at The Planet instead of HuffPo is so that I don’t have to be bothered with and distracted by all that petty, unnecessary stress and soap opera over there. I can get back to what I set out to do by joining HuffPo originally, blog about issues and events that really matter to me.

And by continuing to talk about all that HuffPoopΒ  here, it’s like I’m working against my own desire to escape it. So, I vow not to talk about the inter-member bullshit at HuffPo ever again after the period at the end of this sentence.

There! That feels good! Very freeing!

No more will I talk about you know who and that other guy and “her”, not to mention “she” and the other one, you know who I mean.

In fact, I think talking about not talking about HuffPo is worth talking about often and in great detail.

And, I think anyone not talking about not talking about HuffPo is not talking about what shouldn’t be not talked about.

If we’re going to try to shrug off the HuffPo insanity, we need to start talking seriously about not talking about HuffPo.

And what better way to do that than talking about how we should be talking about not talking about it? And we can’t be all talk about not talking about it!

Know what I’m talking about?

Written by AdLib

My motto is, "It is better to have blogged and lost hours of your day, than never to have blogged at all."

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  1. bitohistory says:

    Good night all. And Kalima, don’t be doing any painting the walls today. I may have nightmares about your story. You are needed here!

    • Kalima says:

      πŸ˜† bito, I promise, no more painting and darn it, I’ve missed you again. Good night and take care.

      • Hopeington says:

        You mean you can even talk to each other about simple life chores like painting the walls and no one’s going to wipe your comments away like spilled coffee on the counter top?
        How silly that a simple thing like that can make me feel happy, like I’m talking to real people and not just some alphabetical ruminations.

        • Kalima says:

          No one will wipe your comments or leave them pending for hours, days or eternity as some of mine ended up doing.

          If you find yourself up early, pop over to “Morning Blog” in Speakers Corner, it’s a place to meet up with members in the morning or in fact anytime.

          Sorry for the shameless plug. *blusheslikeavrginand hidesbehindcomputer*

          • Hopeington says:

            This is so good…I feel like it’s a dream come true. I might even get up earlier, but I’m more of the “night owl”.
            And yes, I remember your name from a while back on HP because I have friends with similar names and I really liked it, that’s why I recognized it as soon as I saw it.

            • Kalima says:

              Was this your moniker over in the “dark” place?

              Pop in any time, I try to leave a few links to interesting stories, photos or even recipes. You are more than welcome.

            • Hopeington says:

              I was reading some past posts from Veterns day and found your bit of “history”…fascinating
              times we’re living in.
              Near midnite here, I need to get some rest…see you all soon.

            • Kalima says:

              Take your time, it sounds worth waiting for, good luck.

              I am a European living in Tokyo and 17 hours ahead of you all on the west coast, 14 hours ahead of the east coast.

            • Hopeington says:

              I’m working on it, because it went so much further than I can even imagine and ended up with conspiracy gang related charges and a young man losing his life for not doing what the jail shot callers asked of him and hours of court proving the police and sheriffs conspired against my son, who is one of the few black men in the town…I’m working on the mother’s perspective and now I know where I can post it….
              By the way, where are you in Europe, I’m in Santa Cruz, CA

            • Kalima says:

              A hard to fathom story about your son, I’m still shaking my head and picking up my jaw from the floor, it must have been a very hard time for you both and it breaks my heart to read about it. So sorry that you went through so much unnecessary grief and I hope that you will consider doing a post about the prison system, I and I’m sure many others would be very interested to read it.

              Ok, when you can make it over, if you just scroll down a little, I left a link for some Christmas recipes that looked quite delicious.

              Look forward to seeing you there and anywhere here on the Planet.

              Take care.

            • Bernard Marx says:

              I cannot believe your son got stuck in prison for graffiti. That to me is the crime. What a messed up system!

            • Hopeington says:

              No, not until recently, before that it was a picture of my African American son, talking on a jail phone wearing orange and white stripped jail clothing.
              Fighting for his freedom and rights has been a big part of my life, when he was finally released, I took his pic down nand put up my own.
              I’m still fighting the system for him and others.
              He did 1 year in county jail for graffiti.
              Boy, do I have some stories to tell, this for profit prison system is so messed up…..
              getting off soap box now…..
              I love new recipes, I’m not going anywhere, I’ll be checking in regularly.

    • Hopeington says:

      Pleased to be here with you, see you on the rise!!

    • kesmarn says:

      G’ night b’ito. And we’ll all hold j’avez in our thoughts tonight, too.

  2. Khirad says:

    I’ve only been in and out sporadically tonight, but will join y’all tomorrow night for the boycott. Good night.

  3. Hopeington says:

    So this is where everybody went…So glad be find out I wasn’t just thinking negatively and paranoid, thinking that HP was getting foxier by the moment and AH had pulled a fast one on us.
    And ok I won’t talk about it any more than to acknowledge that I’m glad I’m here. My brain feels lighter and smarter already.
    And while yes, some snarky remarking was kinda fun sometimes, it really has mucked things up over there and is just plain boring..
    I’ll try not to mention it again but I do think it’s just as important to call HP out about their erroneous reporting, as it is to call out Fox for their misinformation, both are committing a crime against the masses.
    Ok, I’m done…good to see everyone

    • AdLib says:

      Hopeington, wonderful to have you on The Planet!

      Coming here is kind of like the movie, The Matrix, you take the link if you’re willing to leave your reality, come here and find that you were living in a contrived, artificial environment.

      Welcome to reality and The Planet!

      • Hopeington says:

        Wow, that explains how I’m feeling tonight better than I could…I can tell you’ve seen this huffnpuff “cross over” to the planet syndrome enough times now to recognize my bewilderment that you exist.
        Thanks, I feel very welcomed and right at home, really looking forward to discussing more.
        I popped over to read an article about Obama and the peace prize and the first comment had an excellent link, so I know I’m in good company…pleased to be here with ya!!
        I also read all 3 of the links you put up about AH and HP…thoroughly enjoyed your style.
        Funny thing is , if they hadn’t gotten so “ban crazy” over there, I might not have found you, so, on a positive note, we’ll thank them for that.

    • KevenSeven says:


      Welcome aboard!

      And you have a special dispensation to use a little snark with me, if that comforts you.

      • Hopeington says:

        Oh yeah, I remember you!!We can’t leave the snark behind, there’ll be plenty of good reasons to be throwin it around, I’m sure.
        At least it will be quality witty snarks.
        I’m so happy to be here right now, it’ll take me a minute to get snarky, but thanks for the offer…I’d been wondering where you went…glad to know you’re here and thriving.

    • kesmarn says:

      Welcome, Hopeington!

      And, I have to add, I think that the vast majority of folks here are totally OK with discussing how biased and sensationalized things have gotten at HP. That’s a completely legit issue! It was just the matter of bringing personal, individual battles from that place and making overt or veiled references to them here that was getting to be a bummer. (To be perfectly candid, I was bummed often because I didn’t have the foggiest notion of what people were talking about! I don’t spend 10 minutes a day at HP any more, so I’m totally and happily out of the loop.)

      • Hopeington says:

        Thanks for the welcoming..I’ve been telling folks that I thought we should be wary of Huff’s tactics, and felt we were being led to the same place that Fox leads it’s viewers, the propaganda was just skewed differently, but it still was the same end result, negativity, dissent and distraction. And while I don’t always agree with the President, the nonconstructive Obama bashing was wearing me out. Glad to be here with ya.
        Positive vibes help me to think more clearly.

        • kesmarn says:

          I think many people have found that, Hope--the positive vibes/clearer thinking connections, I mean. And I know this sounds weird, but I feel as though my overall mood has improved since I’ve been able talk to people who are so--well, sane comes to mind! And so very smart, too. There was a high level of weirdness that was not cute over “there.” It got very depressing after a while. Again, welcome!

    • Kalima says:

      Welcome to our Planet Hopeington, hope that you will enjoy it here.

      • Hopeington says:

        I think it’s what I’ve been looking around for, I remember you from there, it’s weird but I really feel like I escaped a web or something.
        I can real feel the respect around here, so I believe I’m stayin’.
        Thanks for the welcome.

        • Kalima says:

          Sorry Hopeington, I wasn’t quite sure if you were addressing kesmarn or me but I felt like I had finally extracted myself from the tar pit after I stopped posting there this April.

          Feel free to express you opinions here, we are always happy to hear a new voice.

          • Hopeington says:

            Yep, I was talkin to you, i just want to talk to everybody..I’m having some kind a fun that I didn’t know that was there to experience.
            I guess it’s just lifting out of the tar that makes me feel so much ligher.
            Really glad to be here with you.

            • Kalima says:

              Oh ok, I just didn’t think that apart from AdLib and KQ, there was anyone who knew me from HP. I joined in June 07 and stopped posting in April this year, with two angry visits lasting 10 minutes in between and had to have a long shower to feel clean again.

              It’s a great community here, you will feel at home in no time.

            • escribacat says:

              Okay. Thanks.

            • Kalima says:

              He is facing a few health problems but hopes to be back next week sometime.

              I will pass on that you were asking about him and thanks.

            • escribacat says:

              Hi Kalima. I haven’t seen any posts from KQ in the last few days or so… Is everything all right with him?

    • bitohistory says:

      Welcome Hope to your new home. I’m the only one crazy here.

    • boomer1949 says:

      Welcome! I’m boomer1949 and a newbie here. Spent a couple of years over there, and I too thought I was losing my mind.

      HITO invited me and I’m glad. Officially pulled the noose from around my neck a couple of days ago. πŸ™‚

      • Hopeington says:

        I saw a coded message from karate kid when looktotheleft got banned, thought I better check it…so glad I did, I read somewhere you wrote something and it moved to the front, can’t wait to check it out.
        i always felt there was some talent being wasted over there, and some intelligent posts were just disappearing before my very eyes, only to replaced with pure wickedness and nasty things.
        Time and place for everything, but it was too distracting.
        I think my mental health is in safer hands here.

    • escribacat says:

      Welcome the the other planet, Hopington. I know I will not stop calling out HP. With Fox and Drudge, I know what they are and don’t expect anything but the worst. But HP is still posing as a progressive website — which it isn’t. That makes me mad!

      • Hopeington says:

        I’m just glad there is a place to call them out, of course, I was scrubbed almost everytime I tried to raise the cry that we were being hood winked and high jacked by the false appearance of liberal media, and it seemed like everyone excepted it for that, without even noticing the subtle changes that were occurring.
        It made me mad too, in this instance, Fox has more integrity and don’t pretend to be something they’re not

      • boomer1949 says:

        See, I stopped reading all that garbage because it was a waste of time and more important the more they’re called out, the more attention they receive. It’s how they make the $$$. The idiots who believe their diatribe will believe it until the day they die and trying to change those minds is like trying to “talk to the dining room table” (Barney Frank, Town Hall Somewhere, 2009).

        Oh and my doc wouldn’t increase my blood pressure meds.

    • PepeLepew says:

      “Public Option RIP!” πŸ™‚

      • escribacat says:

        Rachel Maddow ticker: NBC News sources: Senate deal includes triggered public option.

        Howard Dean calling the new deal a “breakthro

        • Hopeington says:

          While still apprehensive, I do tend to listen to Dean and Wiener, who also says he might see these new developments as a good direction…I’m watching and waiting,i won’t hold my breath though, i don’t have insurance and I’d hate to hurt myself turning blue.

          • escribacat says:

            I just saw Kuchinich on Chris Matthews saying he was optimistic about it too. And Jay Rockefeller was smiling when they came out of their meeting. Without having the details, these guys are the champions of reform and I trust their judgment. (I don’t have insurance either — this is my BIG issue).

            • Hopeington says:

              I’m well on my way to 60 so the medicare thing might be what they have up their sleeve for me.
              My son just had surgery 2 days ago for a collapsed lung due to pneumonia.
              He’s 23, and no job, I got him on CA County medical service called medicruz just in the nick of time before they sent him from the clinic to the hospital, or he would be looking at a massive bill right now.
              Jobs jobs jobs, our town is 13% unemployment and I know that it’s really much higher.

    • nellie says:

      Good to see you, too, Hopeington!

    • SueInCa says:

      Welcome to the Planet. It is better here

  4. choicelady says:

    I really want to say ONE thing. This morning, Dec. 10, Huff posted a headline that the public option in health care was RIP with Speaker Pelosi caving. I wrote to her Senior Health Consultant whom I know, and she said NO WAY!!! Not only that, but there was a public press briefing this morning in which Speaker Pelosi said to the media that she had told the Senate, “show me the plan”. She said the House of Representatives is devoted to the public option and would back down IF and ONLY IF there were something as good or better from the Senate and Congressional Budget Office. So -- the story was NOT TRUE, and HuffPo totally misrepresented the information. That is serious because it was a total fabrication.

    • bitohistory says:

      This is the kind of thing that have no more use for that site. I read a head line and story that was completely false from everything I had read or seen (and completely un-sourced). No more!
      Anyone want to see Leader Pelosi’s briefing May get it at C-Span. (they are tight about their links, sorry)

    • PepeLepew says:

      I pulled an e’cat and went to a bunch of news sites … not one of them — not one — had a headline even remotely similar to the HP one.

    • escribacat says:

      That headline is still there: “Public Option RIP”. The comments section is teeming with comments like “Dems are sissies” ad nauseum.

    • Kalima says:

      Any HP propaganda is fair game choicelady, they should be shown up for false claims. Their goal seems clear, they want to undermine the President, they might as well proclaim themselves as a RW blog, that is where they are heading.

    • nellie says:

      I think that kind of comment on the site is completely justified — and should be made whenever misinformation is published. Just like it should be pointed out at any site.

      choicelady, I would love for you to write something about Obama’s DOJ strategy that could be posted at AlterNet. They’re going crazy over there with the decision re John Woo. I posted something this morning to refute the claim that the administration has accomplished nothing — I’d love for there to be something else posted for those whiners to think about.

      • choicelady says:

        I will work that up. I’ve not posted before, only replied, but I think -- think -- I have the hang of it. All your great help has made this less awesome. However, that said, can y’all wait a bit? I’m in the thick of the health care issue for our organization’s members, on the road several days next week trying to stomp down the hysteria bred by Ms. Huff and others, and moving people to speak intelligently about what they want from health reform. In other words, I’m overwhelmed. By the end of next week, I will come up for air, have some time off, and will do this reflection on Obama’s use of Bush court pleadings on torture with and for you.

        You all have NO idea how much I love this site! It’s the BEST conversation going on in America, and I trust all of you -- what intelligent, kind, thoughtful people! KQuark -- thank you for leading me here!

        Now I’m off to get ready for bed because I have to get up at 5 am tomorrow to drive four hours in the rain for a 2 hour presentation on health care then drive four hours back again. Also in the rain. Thinking about reading what funny, insighful, awesome things you all have written will carry me down and back. G’night!

      • bitohistory says:

        Nellie, C’Lady, is not the DOJ obligated by law to defend laws that are already in effect? How vigorous they do it is up to question. The DOJ (Holder) entered just an Amicus Brief, not a formal defense, did they not?

        • choicelady says:

          bitohistory -- some of the first cases had indeed to be carried on as Bush entered them. DOJ had no choice, which is something people don’t understand. When, in one case, they elected not to ask for a delay, it was because they KNEW the courts would rule against the Bush doctrine, and they were right. To my knowledge, which is not complete, they have pled the cases just as Bush and company wrote them. All because they could tell that the courts would NOT uphold the Bush doctrine. Brilliant, IMHO.

          NOW I’m headed to sleep!

        • nellie says:

          I get so frustrated with all the emotion based on misunderstanding. It’s no better than Sarah and her minions.

          • escribacat says:

            Good point, Nellie. The rightwing has its disinformation generators in Sarah, Beck, Limbaugh, et al. But on the left, there’s plenty of it to go around as well (HP for example). And I’ve noticed that there’s a certain sort of leftie — the kind you have been talking about — who are easily swayed and overwhelmed with righteous indignation --against his own party. The Disappointed Dem. That “Public Option RIP” thread is crawling with them right now. Is there something in the progressive personality? I’m thinking it’s expectations — they allow them to go hogwild and then the inevitable disappointment comes.

            • nellie says:

              I got very snarky this morning on AlterNet. I titled my post “Short memory, inattention, and denial — the new progressive movement” or something like that. LOL I was so po’d. πŸ˜‰

            • Kalima says:

              I’m proud of you nellie, someone has to say it. Well done.

  5. javaz says:

    Something funny to keep everyone’s mind off not talking about unmentionables --


    Sarah Palin debating Al Gore about climate change.
    Now, I’d actually pay to see that.

  6. Khirad says:

    I get what you’re saying, but I might just fall off the wagon once and again… for those of those still there (plugging this website for one), it is sometimes irresistible to ‘cleanse’ after wading through the toxic sludge.

  7. SueInCa says:

    Good morning,I took an even bigger step this morning. I changed my home page for the internet to Planet Pov. So when I now log on to the internet, Planet Pov is my first destination. What that means is that it is better to be a part of a real community and not a contrived one set up by a Queen. Thanks to all the originators here and the progressives who come here, more and more everyday.

  8. choicelady says:

    While I think I agree ( my head is spinning ) because the other blog is what it is, and it’s boring to talk about it, there is an Voldemort-ian quality to She Who Must Not Be Named. I guess I’d prefer NOT to belabor the weirdness over there, but when something egregious occurs, may we discuss it as an issue of free speech, trying to understand the framework, etc? Otherwise it’s giving an awful lot of power to SWMNBN. There are concerns such as this morning’s post that the public option is DOA (it’s not -- got that directly from senior health care staff in both the Senate and House) which is very misleading. So can we talk about that?

    • AdLib says:

      chiocelady, I am absolutely with you on this and you can talk about anything here though I am happiest when it’s not mucking around in the petty HuffPo conflicts between members there.

      I have been and will continue to be a frequent critic of Arianna and The Huffington Post. Check out these articles of mine if you haven’t seen them yet:

      http://planetpov.com/2009/10/17/huffing_and_posting/ http://planetpov.com/2009/10/26/arianna_huffington_responds/

      They definitely need to be exposed more publicly for who and what they truly are…and the word “progressive” should not be included in the description.

      Nothing is censored here as long as it’s not personally attacking someone or disrupting the site. I am just hoping to guide discussions here back to issues and away from the contagious animosity of the pointless HuffPo blog battles.

      And issues do include the agendas being pursued by the MSM, including HuffPo.

    • PepeLepew says:

      I think AdLib is OK with talking about HuffPost’s outrageous inflammatory headlines and poor reporting. It’s the venting about the history of feuds, personal slights and trolls on the HuffPost forums that he — and a lot of us — feel it’s time to let go of.

      • Hopeington says:

        Good to see ya Pepe, I couldn’t agree more, Calling out abusive media is one thing, I didn’t come here to ignore things like that, but I did come to let go of the trolls…glad I made it out.

      • TanzaniteDiamonds says:

        Well said, Pepe. That’s the way I understood it, too. It makes sense.

        I still crack up whenever I read Monk calling HP, “the hell”. lmao!


    • escribacat says:

      I agree, choicelady. I am very much interested in media issues in general and consider them of prime importance in a democracy. It’s important to critically analyze all the media and how certain issues are being presented and/or slanted. This is particularly so for HuffPo because it is still considered a “progressive site” and has a great influence on how many progressives view the issues and the president — while many of us feel that this really is NOT the case, that it is, to use an old metaphor, a wolf in sheep’s clothing. I think it’s extremely important to stay on top of that and discuss it and call it out.

      I think what we are agreeing to take offline here are the personal issues that arise. Adlib, please correct me if I’m misinterpreting.

    • BigDogMom says:

      Afternoon choicelady, “Voldemort-ain quality”, I was thinking the same thing this morning when I read the post…he/she who’s name must not be spoken.

  9. KevenSeven says:

    Know what else?

    There is plenty of import or interest to talk about other than that other blog.

    Now If I can just scare up a good debate…..

  10. nellie says:

    Thanks, AdLib. I have a number of people I want to invite here, but I’m waiting for the talk about that which we shall not talk about to die down.

  11. UncleB says:

    “I think anyone not talking about not talking about HuffPo is
    not talking about what shouldn

  12. MadHeart says:

    OK, but how do I get off the email list here? Too much clutter in my mailbox. : )

  13. Pashma says:

    Greetings Everyone,

    Now this is something I’d like to talk about not talking about. I know many of you (as much as you can know people online) from that other place. I for one am very happy that PlanetPOV is here.

    To talk about that other place, only brings that sinking feeling of reminiscing about a place of days gone by. It was a nice place to visit but I don’t post there anymore. I used to go there to check the news every day. I don’t anymore. So I’ve kicked my habit and feel more in control of my blog life. Finally.

    Adlib, I know what you’re talking about! But, I do think there’s a need to vent a bit, sometimes. To me it’s like being betrayed (too over the top?), having your hands tied and mouth taped shut (heavy moderation, comments and full pages disappearing), and speaking of the under bridge dwellers, can’t take that anymore. Not good for the BP.

    Anyway, HP can’t touch PlanetPOV because you can swear your ass off here. That is if you choose to do so.

    • KevenSeven says:

      Mother Fucker! Welcome aboard! Now read the FAQ on authoring articles, don’t be daunted by the graphics if that is a problem for you, and write some goddam article for us to fucking read!

      Holy Shit! I like this bastard!

    • PepeLepew says:

      [email protected], [email protected]/[email protected], h0w @re y0u…?

      Oh, wait, I forgot…

    • AdLib says:

      Pashma, welcome to The Planet!

      I agree with you and I know, from first hand experience that there is indeed an emotional need to express the sense of betrayal and resentment that comes after one gets some distance from HuffPo and realizes what unnecessary BS they were locked into accepting for much longer than they should have.

      We shouldn’t have let ourselves be played like that but we did and we resent it. And realizing that we were being lied to by the site, that it is no more a bastion of principled liberalism than Fox News, that it is just a mercenary hedge fund investment vehicle…it gets one angry for believing and showing loyalty towards a cynical fraud.

      So, indeed, there is naturally a period of getting this out of one’s system for each new member who “escapes” from there but we do need to keep it in perspective and not let it overrun this site’s higher goals nor define this site as purely “The Anti-Huff Site”.

      What I would prefer us being “The #1 Alternative to Huff”.

      • Hopeington says:

        I must agree with you ad lib and thanks for recognizing that some of us need a detox moment, but the reason I’m here is to get out of the mercenary hedge fund vehicle, so I won’t dwell on it too long, plus, from the looks of all the intelligent and compassionate people I see posting here, I’m sure Iur fingers will just be flyin with all the thoughts we need to express.
        Thanks for being here, I’ve been looking, signed up here and there, but never commented.
        I’m stickin around here for a minute though, this feels good. Glad I found ya, if they hadn’t banned one of my favorite posters over there, I would still be in the dark.

      • KevenSeven says:


        I would prefer that our definition of ourselves not reference Huff at all.

        A long time ago, a co-worker (not a very bright guy) said to me “I’m smarter than you think I am”.

        I told him that that was not the proudest boast a man could make.

        Being the #1 alternative to Huff means being better than Huff. Shit. I don’t think that is a very proud ambition, considering the low esteem in which we hold Huff.

        Just sayin’.

        • AdLib says:

          Excellent point and as far as how we define ourselves, I agree.

          What I meant to say is that I would aspire to The Planet being the #1 alternative for those at HuffPo.

          The reality is that HuffPo is far and away the hugest site for political bloggers. That’s why they can afford to piss all over the members, they’re disposable.

          If we can continue to promote the option of The Planet as the best alternative for bloggers there, our growth can only accelerate and the satisfaction of more bloggers can only grow.

          So, as you say, we shouldn’t be branding ourselves with HuffPo’s name but we should be promoting The Planet to where the most people are who would appreciate what it has to offer…so that when they finally get fed up or banned, they know where they can find a new (and better) blogging home.

        • nellie says:

          I agree w you, Keven.

          I don’t feel that attached to HP. Maybe because I was reading Raw Story and Truthout before it came on the scene. I love the comment section community, but as far as the site goes — it’s just another aggregation site. It has a lot of money and splash, but it’s no better than BuzzFlash (in its former incarnation) or TPM or AlterNet.

          PPOV, on the other hand, is something different altogether. It’s not about aggregating news stories and presenting a narrative. It’s about analysis, opinion, debate, brainstorming. It’s something different. And special.

          So, in truth, we are NOT an alternative to HP. We are something completely new and different. And time spent here, IMHO, is much more worthwhile.

      • HITO says:

        I agree with your stated concept of “being played”.

        There comes a time where you have to draw a line and accept that we each have/had a part in that dynamic.

        Thank you for giving me my thought for the day, Adlib.

    • BigDogMom says:

      Afternoon Pashma, if you need to vent, see my link below that nicole set up for that purpose.

      Like you, many of us here felt the same betrayal…kinda like you were duped in some way. But that goes away after a little while, I think it’s because the air is so clear here, speeds up the healing process!

      And as for swearing, my mouth is like a sailors, from living with my husband too long, so no offense will be taken by me!

      • Pashma says:

        Thank you for the link, BDM. I think I’m all set though with venting. I don’t want to bring that baggage here. I wanted to introduce myself, say hello and I’ll definitely be back.

        Keven, Nellie in total agreement with PPOV being something different in a very good way.

        I’m off…have a great day/evening everyone!


    • escribacat says:

      Welcome, Pashma. It’s also wonderful to be able to spell normally again here! Stick around, check it out.

      • HITO says:

        Morning (well, afternoon for me)Ladies.

        I still find myself having to backspace and undo the programmed word-filter evasive moves on here.



        They’re all flying on here!

        • escribacat says:

          And thinking in complete thoughts again instead of quips.

          • AdLib says:

            Big point there!

            When I occasionally return to HuffPo, that’s the most striking I see about the posts there and here.

            There are still many clever, informed people blogging over there but they typically do so in abbreviated ways or as one line snarks.

            Here, the comments and articles are very complete and expressive. It’s like reading the full book vs. a snarkier, less satisfying Reader’s Digest version of it.

            • Khirad says:

              I used to. I’m guilty too. Quips and snark can be fun. I wouldn’t begrudge anyone for it. They key is that you’re capable of more. Thing is, many there probably wouldn’t know I was, if they never wade into my World section haunt. One, the threads go so fast sometimes, and two, the longer, more thoughtful it is seems to be is in direct proportion to its likelihood of being sent to pending purgatory or raptured.

        • BigDogMom says:

          Morning/afternoon here now in windy CT…funny, there are times when I stop before typing those “key words” here and then quickly remember….I here and not there anymore.

      • BigDogMom says:

        Morning e’cat, how’s poppy doing?

        or should I type it:

        m0rn!ng e_cathowsp0ppied0!ng?????


        • escribacat says:

          Hello BDM, Poppy is at the vet getting spayed and teeth cleaned. Two nights of peace and quiet and clean up! I’ll pick her up tomorrow again.

          • BigDogMom says:

            Hope all goes well for her and you deserve the respite…your going straight to heaven, no stops for you!

            • PatsyT says:

              Say you dog lovers have you checked out dogster.com ? Oh, there is also a catster.com
              for the *cat* people, I only say that because cats seem to own the people whereas dogs are loyal subjects…. Ha Ha ! :-}

              I have our dogs on there.

            • TanzaniteDiamonds says:

              Thanks for the ‘headsup’, PatsyT. I love them both! Cats AND dogs are wonderful.


  14. BigDogMom says:

    Adlib, I am so glad that you talked about this not talking about that place or that women…I came here to the Planet to get away from that place that we are not going to talk about and her, who’s name we dare not speak.

    nicole has set up a place for those who need to talk about what we are not going to talk about here at the Planet.


    So, can we talk about something else?

    • TanzaniteDiamonds says:

      Thank you BDM, for posting Nicole’s link. I completely respect that Planet POV doesn’t want to “talk” about HP frustrations.

      Obviously, we’ve all had different experiences at HP, and we all process things at a different pace.

      Ironically, this was one of the first times I really wanted to “talk about it”, so I’ve signed up at Nicole’s forum. **smiles**

      After last night (I won’t “talk” about it), I really appreciate it.

      AdLib and UncleB, I really enjoyed your posts.


      P.S. There are some very savvy writers here. Ya’ll never cease to amaze me!

    • AdLib says:

      Thanks for the sentiment and the link, BigDogMom…and congrats on your great new Gravatar!

      I am more than happy to refer members to our friend Nicole’s site so that those who wish to talk about what we are talking about not talking about…can talk there.

      Personally, I believe that what goes on at HuffPo is like a viral infection and bringing it to any other open site simply infects it.

      Since our goal here is to reject the hostility and aggression associated at HuffPo and prove, as we have, that thoughtful people can have conversations and debates about important issues without resorting to disrespecting each other, we have to completely let go of the game at HuffPo.

      That means putting aside resentments, prejudices, feuds, etc. and of course, discussions of past and current ones.

      Folks here need to recognize that the membership is in control here and relax, there is nothing to be concerned about when anyone joins this site who may have been involved in conflicts with any of our members at HuffPo.

      No matter their track record at HuffPo or any other site on the web, if someone comes here to join the community and be respectful and constructive, they are welcome. If they come here to disrupt the site or attack members, they will not be welcome or permitted to continue.

      It would be a slippery slope to establish the precedent that someone could be denied membership at a site that represents itself as open to all, because a member or members lobbied or pressured for that. Of course there would be cases where a majority agreed to bar someone they found undesirable but there would also follow instances where, for example, two Progressives or Dems had a conflict and a decision is sought or boycotts are threatened as to which of the two should or shouldn’t be members. Very messy business indeed and a one way ticket to Lord of the Flies…and this Planet isn’t going to revolve in that direction.

      So a straightforward and principled policy has been and will continue to be in force here, all are welcome to join and will remain or go based on their behavior once they’ve joined The Planet. Respect all of your peers and stay, attack any of your peers and go.

      This is not HuffPo, people need to remember that. Trolls are not going to be permitted to stay around like at HuffPo. End of story. The members have the power here and those with power need not be concerned by the threat of those who do not have power.

      Trolls have no power here. Haters have no power here. Unless members personally choose to confer power upon them and allow them to affect their attitude towards or their participation at The Planet.

      This is not a private or social blog. It is a site open to everyone to respectfully discuss and debate issues. There will be those that join here that are Republican, oppose Obama, abortion, gay rights, etc. The more The Planet reflects the debates and discussions in the real world out there but with a modicum of respect, the more invigorating, affirming and successful this community and its principles become.

      So, let’s move onward and upward, calm cool and collected, intimidated by no one here because the laws of gravity for this Planet are that respectful peers remain while those who can’t be respectful will be released to float off and away aimlessly into cyberspace.

      In space, no one can hear you blog.

      • BigDogMom says:

        AdLib, thank you…and thank you for mentioning in your response to me that this is not a private or social blog. I was quite perturbed by Bernard’s comment this morning of not being in “the clique” here…and I hope that he stops back and sees your and others response to his statement.

        The last thing that I want here is a repeat of that other site that we shall not mention….nor do I want any member of this site to feel slighted in any way or isolated…I would like to think that we are all equal here and welcome to our opinions.

        Yes, some of us have been here longer, not by much, myself included, than others and have established relationships with each other. As in life, people will tend to gravitate towards those that they feel most comfortable with.

        I am not a great writer as yourself and others here, and at time feel intimidated, but I have always felt welcomed.

        I came here not so much to write my opinions, but to learn and listen to what others are saying regarding the current state of affairs in our political system and in our country, and what we can do to change things for the better.

        I feel that talking about, what we will no longer talk about, has turned some people off and once some of us purge ourselves of this addiction, of that which will not be named, this site will take off and soar to greater heights and be a meaningful place for change.

  15. HITO says:

    Well, now I know who the nightowls are that stay up talking, or stay up all night not talking, or agree to talk about not talking.

    When do you guys get to go to sleep? (I thought I was bad with 5 hours per night.)


  16. boomer1949 says:

    Morning from EST…


    Was I talkin’ in my sleep again?

    Looks like I’ll have to stay up all night just to stay out of trouble.


    • HITO says:

      Morning Boomer.

      I’m an eastie also and don’t know how these kids do it…they must be westies with a highly accountable work ethic.

      See my comment above and have a great day!

  17. Bernard Marx says:

    I for one totally agree that we should move on from talking about what can’t be talked about. It can be a bit off-putting for newcomers like myself who was never a part of the clique and just wants to talk about the issues of the day with intelligent and informed people.

    • Kalima says:

      Bernard, I hope that you don’t see a clique, if you do, it was never intended, let down your hair and join in.

      Again the warmest greetings from the Planet.

      • escribacat says:

        Allow me to echo that sentiment, Bernard. Even in “real world” social interactions, there’s nothing more boring than getting stuck listening to one’s companions talk on and on about people you don’t know. Adlib has done the right thing. We can’t use this site as a forum for group therapy — that’s not what it’s here for. Granted, some of us do need a bit of post-huffy therapy. I agree that email and Nicole’s more private site is a better place for that, if need be.

        • TanzaniteDiamonds says:

          As always, well said, escribacat.

          I think you called it something like “PHSD” (Post-Huffy Stress Disorder) the other day? Very accurate!


  18. SeeknDestroy says:

    What are you talkin’ about?
    Are you talkin’ about what I think you think I’m talkin’ about?
    I’m talkin’ about this thing, not that other thing we were all talkin’ about before.
    You know what I’m talkin’ about?
    Me neither……..

  19. KevenSeven says:

    I gotta say, it sometimes is good for a laugh, but to get upset about it, what is the point?

    The Planet is not the anti not to be named.

    The Planet is not a refuge, it is not a therapy session, it is not a social club.

    It is a place where semi-serious bloggers are invited to come and discuss the issues of the day, culture, art, food, music. If I can get into the occasional lively debate, so much the better.

    There are bloggers out there I will be happy to never see again. And if they were to show up here, I am certain that they would violate the rules such that they would be neutralized.

    I say, let’s all move the hell on.

  20. PepeLepew says:

    {GROUP HUG!!!!}



    • AdLib says:


      Kum bay ya, my Lord, kum bay ya!

      • PepeLepew says:

        I had a hard day….

        Both here and in the real world….

        • kesmarn says:

          If it’s any consolation, Pepe, I had a physical altercation yesterday with my garbage cans in a high wind. The garbage cans won. I ended up in the emergency room with a back sprain. (Those were the few hours between about 2:30 and 6:30 p.m. when I wasn’t here.) I think you mentioned getting a Vicodin prescription yesterday. So did I.

          I have learned some things:

          1. Vicodin makes me feel itchy.
          2. Itchy is better than excruciating pain.
          3. Talking about HuffPo makes me feel itchy and painful.
          4. Vicodin doesn’t fix that.
          5. Never underestimate the power of an angry garbage can--on or off HuffPo.

          Hope today is better.

          • PepeLepew says:

            My prescription is for arthroscopic surgery that I’m having tomorrow.

            • kesmarn says:

              Hope all goes well and that you feel much better after the repair work!

              I’m very lucky in that my back pain seems to be getting better pretty quickly. I scared the poor cat half to death with yelping in pain while trying to rise from sitting to standing yesterday. Today, no sound effects. I will have sympathy forever for people with chronic severe pain. Can’t imagine how they do it.

            • kesmarn says:

              Saw that, Pep. Hey, sometimes you just can’t help it. Gotta scream.

            • PepeLepew says:

              Hah! Did you read my post about screaming at 5 a.m. at least once a week?

          • BigDogMom says:

            kesman, be careful, feeling itchy is the one of the signs that you may be having an allergic reaction to the meds…check with your pharmacist or doctor to see if this is this is so…my sister is a pharmacist, so I tend to take her opinion over my doctors.

            They have a program that list all drugs and side effects, plus they can plug in any other drugs you are taking to see if they are interacting with each other in a way that can be harmful to you.

            • kesmarn says:

              Thanks, BDM! I’ve switched over to plain Tylenol today. Tried and true.
              I think maybe the worst is over (hope so). Will never take back muscle spasms lightly again, that’s for sure!

            • PepeLepew says:

              Back injuries are the worst.

            • BigDogMom says:

              There is nothing worse than a back injury…get better soon.

        • Kalima says:

          I’m sorry to hear that, many of us have the same at times.

          Take care.

    • KevenSeven says:

      What, no fucking smiley????

  21. SeeknDestroy says:

    I’m not talking about what you’re talking about.
    Or something.
    I just figured we’d bitch about that place, get it off our chests, and gradually move on.
    I vowed today to leave a certain problem alone.
    It shall be interesting to see how that problem manifests itself as it has shown up here.
    I’ll do my best to leave it alone.

    • AdLib says:

      You talkin’ to me? You talkin’ to me?

      Starting to talk about HuffPo conflicts is like trying to slowly walk down a set of stairs that have been greased with lard.

      Once you take one step, you’re headed down the whole stairway.

      We need to move on. Like Kalima, I moved on almost a year ago. I know there’s a bit of a decompression period when you first leave HuffPo but that process needs to take place in emails between friends, on private blogs, etc.

      Whipping it all up on a public blog only gives it all new life and it is instead something that deserves a quick death.

      The Planet has a much higher goal, to be a site that transcends the pettiness and personalization of HuffPo, to display that real people value having true Freedom of Expression on the issues that really matter to them.

      And that, even a diverse group of bloggers can debate, disagree and agree on many different issues as a community of peers that respect each other.

      Nothing will move The Planet from that orbit, especially those ginned up HuffPo conflicts or troll behavior at this site. It will be nipped in the bud.

      This is our Planet, we’re in control here and we need not be concerned about losing it. We can and should be confident and have faith in our vision and principles, here, we can do that and not be disappointed.

    • PepeLepew says:


      I feel bad about stirring the pot, but I also feel really strongly that the whole issue of HP conflicts needed to be talked about. We were all talking about HP trolls and feuds from HP, in public (me included, I am not blameless), and I started seeing it as a bad thing, and a reckless thing. I think the venting was OK and maybe healthy for a while, but now I think it’s time to let go.

      • SeeknDestroy says:

        I had most of the issues worked out for the most part.
        Now given certain events,I believe the problem may have escalated. I find that most disconcerting, personally. I will not engage in silly sniping and childish nonsense here. Nope. I am disengaging myself from that nightmare. It is WAY out of hand, and I’m backing off.

    • Kalima says:

      For some it’s taking longer than expected, that’s a shame for the rest of us here who have moved on a long time ago. It’s like having an ex who refuses to move out of your house.

      • SeeknDestroy says:

        Other than complaining about the usual nonsense there, I, for the most part,had kept the rest of the nonsense over there. I’ll do my best to leave it there.
        It doesn’t belong here.

        • Kalima says:

          I know and I wasn’t really talking directly about you, some people have just let it get under their skin, for me that would be my signal to leave while I still had my sanity.

          Whatever it is that is bothering you, I sincerely hope that you get it solved to your satisfaction.

          Chip up, tomorrow is another day. πŸ™‚

  22. escribacat says:

    I’ll have to count all those double negatives before I can figure out what you’re talking about, but I’m pretty sure I’m right with you on that.

  23. Kalima says:

    πŸ˜† May I second that emotion?

    I’m not even in the slightest bit interested in talking about how we should be talking about not talking about it myself. It has become so tedious that I’m beginning to think that leaving there for good in April must have been a dream, was it, pinch me please, slap me hard if you want to, I need to wake up.

    • AdLib says:

      I remember how I felt when I left, like it was a jailbreak and I hadn’t seen a blue sky for a year.

      So, I appreciate the process people are going through to file away HuffPo in their minds.

      A problem for some is being still vested deeply over there and vested here too, it’s tough.

      I am glad a number of our members are still there, thanks to those members inviting others and spreading the word, The Planet keeps growing.

      I would just hope that they divest themselves emotionally from that place and the conflicts there, all that unnecessary stress just isn’t healthy physically or mentally.

  24. PepeLepew says:


    And that’s coming from someone who was guilty of it for a while.

    I am quite tired of the topic.

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