Since the orbit of The Planet periodically brings it close to the wormhole that is The Huffington Post (mainly after full moons), I think it is high time that I made an oath here and now to stop talking about the trolls and personal conflicts at Huffington Post.
After all, the whole point of being at The Planet instead of HuffPo is so that I don’t have to be bothered with and distracted by all that petty, unnecessary stress and soap opera over there. I can get back to what I set out to do by joining HuffPo originally, blog about issues and events that really matter to me.
And by continuing to talk about all that HuffPoop here, it’s like I’m working against my own desire to escape it. So, I vow not to talk about the inter-member bullshit at HuffPo ever again after the period at the end of this sentence.
There! That feels good! Very freeing!
No more will I talk about you know who and that other guy and “her”, not to mention “she” and the other one, you know who I mean.
In fact, I think talking about not talking about HuffPo is worth talking about often and in great detail.
And, I think anyone not talking about not talking about HuffPo is not talking about what shouldn’t be not talked about.
If we’re going to try to shrug off the HuffPo insanity, we need to start talking seriously about not talking about HuffPo.
And what better way to do that than talking about how we should be talking about not talking about it? And we can’t be all talk about not talking about it!
Know what I’m talking about?
Good night all. And Kalima, don’t be doing any painting the walls today. I may have nightmares about your story. You are needed here!
G’nite.
G’ night b’ito. And we’ll all hold j’avez in our thoughts tonight, too.
Pleased to be here with you, see you on the rise!!
😆 bito, I promise, no more painting and darn it, I’ve missed you again. Good night and take care.
You mean you can even talk to each other about simple life chores like painting the walls and no one’s going to wipe your comments away like spilled coffee on the counter top?
How silly that a simple thing like that can make me feel happy, like I’m talking to real people and not just some alphabetical ruminations.
No one will wipe your comments or leave them pending for hours, days or eternity as some of mine ended up doing.
If you find yourself up early, pop over to “Morning Blog” in Speakers Corner, it’s a place to meet up with members in the morning or in fact anytime.
Sorry for the shameless plug. *blusheslikeavrginand hidesbehindcomputer*
This is so good…I feel like it’s a dream come true. I might even get up earlier, but I’m more of the “night owl”.
And yes, I remember your name from a while back on HP because I have friends with similar names and I really liked it, that’s why I recognized it as soon as I saw it.
Was this your moniker over in the “dark” place?
Pop in any time, I try to leave a few links to interesting stories, photos or even recipes. You are more than welcome.
No, not until recently, before that it was a picture of my African American son, talking on a jail phone wearing orange and white stripped jail clothing.
Fighting for his freedom and rights has been a big part of my life, when he was finally released, I took his pic down nand put up my own.
I’m still fighting the system for him and others.
He did 1 year in county jail for graffiti.
Boy, do I have some stories to tell, this for profit prison system is so messed up…..
getting off soap box now…..
I love new recipes, I’m not going anywhere, I’ll be checking in regularly.
Hopeington,
I cannot believe your son got stuck in prison for graffiti. That to me is the crime. What a messed up system!
A hard to fathom story about your son, I’m still shaking my head and picking up my jaw from the floor, it must have been a very hard time for you both and it breaks my heart to read about it. So sorry that you went through so much unnecessary grief and I hope that you will consider doing a post about the prison system, I and I’m sure many others would be very interested to read it.
Ok, when you can make it over, if you just scroll down a little, I left a link for some Christmas recipes that looked quite delicious.
Look forward to seeing you there and anywhere here on the Planet.
Take care.
I’m working on it, because it went so much further than I can even imagine and ended up with conspiracy gang related charges and a young man losing his life for not doing what the jail shot callers asked of him and hours of court proving the police and sheriffs conspired against my son, who is one of the few black men in the town…I’m working on the mother’s perspective and now I know where I can post it….
By the way, where are you in Europe, I’m in Santa Cruz, CA
Take your time, it sounds worth waiting for, good luck.
I am a European living in Tokyo and 17 hours ahead of you all on the west coast, 14 hours ahead of the east coast.
I was reading some past posts from Veterns day and found your bit of “history”…fascinating
times we’re living in.
Near midnite here, I need to get some rest…see you all soon.
Blessings
I’ve only been in and out sporadically tonight, but will join y’all tomorrow night for the boycott. Good night.
Good night “Man in Black” see you later.
Good night, Khirad!
Good night, pleasant dreams, glad to see you’re here too!!!
So this is where everybody went…So glad be find out I wasn’t just thinking negatively and paranoid, thinking that HP was getting foxier by the moment and AH had pulled a fast one on us.
And ok I won’t talk about it any more than to acknowledge that I’m glad I’m here. My brain feels lighter and smarter already.
And while yes, some snarky remarking was kinda fun sometimes, it really has mucked things up over there and is just plain boring..
I’ll try not to mention it again but I do think it’s just as important to call HP out about their erroneous reporting, as it is to call out Fox for their misinformation, both are committing a crime against the masses.
Ok, I’m done…good to see everyone
Welcome to the Planet. It is better here
Your CA buddy, totally on the same page with you.
Good to see you, too, Hopeington!
“Public Option RIP!” 🙂
Rachel Maddow ticker: NBC News sources: Senate deal includes triggered public option.
Howard Dean calling the new deal a “breakthro
While still apprehensive, I do tend to listen to Dean and Wiener, who also says he might see these new developments as a good direction…I’m watching and waiting,i won’t hold my breath though, i don’t have insurance and I’d hate to hurt myself turning blue.
I just saw Kuchinich on Chris Matthews saying he was optimistic about it too. And Jay Rockefeller was smiling when they came out of their meeting. Without having the details, these guys are the champions of reform and I trust their judgment. (I don’t have insurance either — this is my BIG issue).
I’m well on my way to 60 so the medicare thing might be what they have up their sleeve for me.
My son just had surgery 2 days ago for a collapsed lung due to pneumonia.
He’s 23, and no job, I got him on CA County medical service called medicruz just in the nick of time before they sent him from the clinic to the hospital, or he would be looking at a massive bill right now.
AND….
Jobs jobs jobs, our town is 13% unemployment and I know that it’s really much higher.
Welcome the the other planet, Hopington. I know I will not stop calling out HP. With Fox and Drudge, I know what they are and don’t expect anything but the worst. But HP is still posing as a progressive website — which it isn’t. That makes me mad!
See, I stopped reading all that garbage because it was a waste of time and more important the more they’re called out, the more attention they receive. It’s how they make the $$$. The idiots who believe their diatribe will believe it until the day they die and trying to change those minds is like trying to “talk to the dining room table” (Barney Frank, Town Hall Somewhere, 2009).
Oh and my doc wouldn’t increase my blood pressure meds.
I’m just glad there is a place to call them out, of course, I was scrubbed almost everytime I tried to raise the cry that we were being hood winked and high jacked by the false appearance of liberal media, and it seemed like everyone excepted it for that, without even noticing the subtle changes that were occurring.
It made me mad too, in this instance, Fox has more integrity and don’t pretend to be something they’re not
Welcome! I’m boomer1949 and a newbie here. Spent a couple of years over there, and I too thought I was losing my mind.
HITO invited me and I’m glad. Officially pulled the noose from around my neck a couple of days ago. 🙂
I saw a coded message from karate kid when looktotheleft got banned, thought I better check it…so glad I did, I read somewhere you wrote something and it moved to the front, can’t wait to check it out.
i always felt there was some talent being wasted over there, and some intelligent posts were just disappearing before my very eyes, only to replaced with pure wickedness and nasty things.
Time and place for everything, but it was too distracting.
I think my mental health is in safer hands here.
Welcome Hope to your new home. I’m the only one crazy here.
Sorry, you can’t own it all. I’m crazy2 🙂
Don’t worry, I knew there couldn’t be just one.
As for me, well my kids think I’m crazy, but what the heck do they know!!! They didn’t know me before I had them and they drove me there!
I tried that link tonight. Very interesting. I am going to learn the process and see what comes of searching for these front groups.
Sue, that was some list of front groups, Eh?
Absolutely. We should be able to come up with something. I am trying to think it through. We would need Adlibs help to get something on here I think.
A reference link? Something up on top in contents? Your right we will have to see what AdLib thinks. nellie couldn’t believe it either.
Oh, I’m not fooled so easily, I’ve been posting over at HufnPuff long enough to know some of these other folks that are here from there, might give ya a good run for your money on that issue. 🙂
Thanks for the welcome, I’ve been browsing around and feel quite comfy here.
Pleased to be on planet with you too…crazy is good.
I am quite fou!
We already knew that, you stinky thing you.
Welcome to our Planet Hopeington, hope that you will enjoy it here.
I think it’s what I’ve been looking around for, I remember you from there, it’s weird but I really feel like I escaped a web or something.
I can real feel the respect around here, so I believe I’m stayin’.
Thanks for the welcome.
Sorry Hopeington, I wasn’t quite sure if you were addressing kesmarn or me but I felt like I had finally extracted myself from the tar pit after I stopped posting there this April.
Feel free to express you opinions here, we are always happy to hear a new voice.
Yep, I was talkin to you, i just want to talk to everybody..I’m having some kind a fun that I didn’t know that was there to experience.
I guess it’s just lifting out of the tar that makes me feel so much ligher.
Really glad to be here with you.
Oh ok, I just didn’t think that apart from AdLib and KQ, there was anyone who knew me from HP. I joined in June 07 and stopped posting in April this year, with two angry visits lasting 10 minutes in between and had to have a long shower to feel clean again.
It’s a great community here, you will feel at home in no time.
Hi Kalima. I haven’t seen any posts from KQ in the last few days or so… Is everything all right with him?
He is facing a few health problems but hopes to be back next week sometime.
I will pass on that you were asking about him and thanks.
Okay. Thanks.
Welcome, Hopeington!
And, I have to add, I think that the vast majority of folks here are totally OK with discussing how biased and sensationalized things have gotten at HP. That’s a completely legit issue! It was just the matter of bringing personal, individual battles from that place and making overt or veiled references to them here that was getting to be a bummer. (To be perfectly candid, I was bummed often because I didn’t have the foggiest notion of what people were talking about! I don’t spend 10 minutes a day at HP any more, so I’m totally and happily out of the loop.)
Thanks for the welcoming..I’ve been telling folks that I thought we should be wary of Huff’s tactics, and felt we were being led to the same place that Fox leads it’s viewers, the propaganda was just skewed differently, but it still was the same end result, negativity, dissent and distraction. And while I don’t always agree with the President, the nonconstructive Obama bashing was wearing me out. Glad to be here with ya.
Positive vibes help me to think more clearly.
I think many people have found that, Hope–the positive vibes/clearer thinking connections, I mean. And I know this sounds weird, but I feel as though my overall mood has improved since I’ve been able talk to people who are so–well, sane comes to mind! And so very smart, too. There was a high level of weirdness that was not cute over “there.” It got very depressing after a while. Again, welcome!
Girl!
Welcome aboard!
And you have a special dispensation to use a little snark with me, if that comforts you.
Oh yeah, I remember you!!We can’t leave the snark behind, there’ll be plenty of good reasons to be throwin it around, I’m sure.
At least it will be quality witty snarks.
I’m so happy to be here right now, it’ll take me a minute to get snarky, but thanks for the offer…I’d been wondering where you went…glad to know you’re here and thriving.
Hopeington, wonderful to have you on The Planet!
Coming here is kind of like the movie, The Matrix, you take the link if you’re willing to leave your reality, come here and find that you were living in a contrived, artificial environment.
Welcome to reality and The Planet!
Huh?
Wow, that explains how I’m feeling tonight better than I could…I can tell you’ve seen this huffnpuff “cross over” to the planet syndrome enough times now to recognize my bewilderment that you exist.
Thanks, I feel very welcomed and right at home, really looking forward to discussing more.
I popped over to read an article about Obama and the peace prize and the first comment had an excellent link, so I know I’m in good company…pleased to be here with ya!!
I also read all 3 of the links you put up about AH and HP…thoroughly enjoyed your style.
Funny thing is , if they hadn’t gotten so “ban crazy” over there, I might not have found you, so, on a positive note, we’ll thank them for that.
I really want to say ONE thing. This morning, Dec. 10, Huff posted a headline that the public option in health care was RIP with Speaker Pelosi caving. I wrote to her Senior Health Consultant whom I know, and she said NO WAY!!! Not only that, but there was a public press briefing this morning in which Speaker Pelosi said to the media that she had told the Senate, “show me the plan”. She said the House of Representatives is devoted to the public option and would back down IF and ONLY IF there were something as good or better from the Senate and Congressional Budget Office. So – the story was NOT TRUE, and HuffPo totally misrepresented the information. That is serious because it was a total fabrication.
I think that kind of comment on the site is completely justified — and should be made whenever misinformation is published. Just like it should be pointed out at any site.
choicelady, I would love for you to write something about Obama’s DOJ strategy that could be posted at AlterNet. They’re going crazy over there with the decision re John Woo. I posted something this morning to refute the claim that the administration has accomplished nothing — I’d love for there to be something else posted for those whiners to think about.
Nellie, C’Lady, is not the DOJ obligated by law to defend laws that are already in effect? How vigorous they do it is up to question. The DOJ (Holder) entered just an Amicus Brief, not a formal defense, did they not?
I get so frustrated with all the emotion based on misunderstanding. It’s no better than Sarah and her minions.
Good point, Nellie. The rightwing has its disinformation generators in Sarah, Beck, Limbaugh, et al. But on the left, there’s plenty of it to go around as well (HP for example). And I’ve noticed that there’s a certain sort of leftie — the kind you have been talking about — who are easily swayed and overwhelmed with righteous indignation –against his own party. The Disappointed Dem. That “Public Option RIP” thread is crawling with them right now. Is there something in the progressive personality? I’m thinking it’s expectations — they allow them to go hogwild and then the inevitable disappointment comes.
I got very snarky this morning on AlterNet. I titled my post “Short memory, inattention, and denial — the new progressive movement” or something like that. LOL I was so po’d. 😉
I’m proud of you nellie, someone has to say it. Well done.
bitohistory – some of the first cases had indeed to be carried on as Bush entered them. DOJ had no choice, which is something people don’t understand. When, in one case, they elected not to ask for a delay, it was because they KNEW the courts would rule against the Bush doctrine, and they were right. To my knowledge, which is not complete, they have pled the cases just as Bush and company wrote them. All because they could tell that the courts would NOT uphold the Bush doctrine. Brilliant, IMHO.
NOW I’m headed to sleep!
I will work that up. I’ve not posted before, only replied, but I think – think – I have the hang of it. All your great help has made this less awesome. However, that said, can y’all wait a bit? I’m in the thick of the health care issue for our organization’s members, on the road several days next week trying to stomp down the hysteria bred by Ms. Huff and others, and moving people to speak intelligently about what they want from health reform. In other words, I’m overwhelmed. By the end of next week, I will come up for air, have some time off, and will do this reflection on Obama’s use of Bush court pleadings on torture with and for you.
You all have NO idea how much I love this site! It’s the BEST conversation going on in America, and I trust all of you – what intelligent, kind, thoughtful people! KQuark – thank you for leading me here!
Now I’m off to get ready for bed because I have to get up at 5 am tomorrow to drive four hours in the rain for a 2 hour presentation on health care then drive four hours back again. Also in the rain. Thinking about reading what funny, insighful, awesome things you all have written will carry me down and back. G’night!
G’nite C’Lady
Good night choicelady, drive safely and we are happy to have you here.
Good night, choicelady. I am very glad you are here!
Safe travels, c’lady. And fight the good fight.
Night choicelady. Don’t you feel like you’ve died and gone to heaven?
I’m out as well — this EST gal can no longer function with 2-3 hours of ZZZZZ. Those days are long gone.
See everyone tomorrow 🙂
Good night boomer, sleep well. Maybe see you on MB in your morning. Take care and be safe.
G’nite, boomer. I’m following shortly.
kesmarn, in case I miss you, Hi and good night. Ships passing in the night it seems.
Take care and be safe.
Kalima, I’ve had the same feeling! I really enjoy talking with you, but it always seems my late rising has me posting in the middle of the Japanese night. (Lucky for Japan).
If ever I can retire (hahahahahaha) maybe we can talk in real time. Have a wonderful day!
I always make a point of reading through your comments to keep in touch.
Real time would be wonderful. Sleep well and take care. GN.
Likewise, Kalima!
Night, and yeah, I kinda feel that happy, just about the heasven part, not the dying part.:)
I know I’m late wishing you a good night, but sweet dreams from me too. Looking forward to more in the day light..Have a safe drive
Any HP propaganda is fair game choicelady, they should be shown up for false claims. Their goal seems clear, they want to undermine the President, they might as well proclaim themselves as a RW blog, that is where they are heading.
That headline is still there: “Public Option RIP”. The comments section is teeming with comments like “Dems are sissies” ad nauseum.
The link should be saved and thrown back in their faces when the time comes. More clicks for AH, means more money.
I pulled an e’cat and went to a bunch of news sites … not one of them — not one — had a headline even remotely similar to the HP one.
For a small fee, Pepe, you may steal my idea.
Betcha’ you’d find something if…you went to one of the tabloidish places, pretending to be official newsy organizations. Heh, heh.
I didn’t bother with Drudge or Faux. I went to legitimate sources — MSNBC, ThinkProgress, even CNN, Reuters, NY Times, LA Times, WashPo, etc. Nada.
This is the kind of thing that have no more use for that site. I read a head line and story that was completely false from everything I had read or seen (and completely un-sourced). No more!
Anyone want to see Leader Pelosi’s briefing May get it at C-Span. (they are tight about their links, sorry)
Something funny to keep everyone’s mind off not talking about unmentionables –
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/12/10/palin-gore-debate/
Sarah Palin debating Al Gore about climate change.
Now, I’d actually pay to see that.
Snark, “depends on the venue”. Why am I so compelled to read about stories on her? Train wreck? Crash on the interstate? Humor?
Embarrassment for the GOP?
A Palin-Gore debate would be delicious. I imagine Gore wouldn’t feel so obliged to be so gentlemanly and intellectually generous as Joe Biden was during the VP debate. I thought Biden resisted several opportunities to bury the little twit because he’s a gentleman. I’d love to see Gore finish her off.
twit…haven’t heard that one in awhile lol!
As my friends would say, Oh GAWD!
I get what you’re saying, but I might just fall off the wagon once and again… for those of those still there (plugging this website for one), it is sometimes irresistible to ‘cleanse’ after wading through the toxic sludge.
AdLib
Good morning,I took an even bigger step this morning. I changed my home page for the internet to Planet Pov. So when I now log on to the internet, Planet Pov is my first destination. What that means is that it is better to be a part of a real community and not a contrived one set up by a Queen. Thanks to all the originators here and the progressives who come here, more and more everyday.
Cheers Sue! We are very flattered and honored, so pleased that you are on this Planet!
While I think I agree ( my head is spinning ) because the other blog is what it is, and it’s boring to talk about it, there is an Voldemort-ian quality to She Who Must Not Be Named. I guess I’d prefer NOT to belabor the weirdness over there, but when something egregious occurs, may we discuss it as an issue of free speech, trying to understand the framework, etc? Otherwise it’s giving an awful lot of power to SWMNBN. There are concerns such as this morning’s post that the public option is DOA (it’s not – got that directly from senior health care staff in both the Senate and House) which is very misleading. So can we talk about that?
Afternoon choicelady, “Voldemort-ain quality”, I was thinking the same thing this morning when I read the post…he/she who’s name must not be spoken.
I agree, choicelady. I am very much interested in media issues in general and consider them of prime importance in a democracy. It’s important to critically analyze all the media and how certain issues are being presented and/or slanted. This is particularly so for HuffPo because it is still considered a “progressive site” and has a great influence on how many progressives view the issues and the president — while many of us feel that this really is NOT the case, that it is, to use an old metaphor, a wolf in sheep’s clothing. I think it’s extremely important to stay on top of that and discuss it and call it out.
I think what we are agreeing to take offline here are the personal issues that arise. Adlib, please correct me if I’m misinterpreting.
As always, you’re right on the money, escribacat!
I think AdLib is OK with talking about HuffPost’s outrageous inflammatory headlines and poor reporting. It’s the venting about the history of feuds, personal slights and trolls on the HuffPost forums that he — and a lot of us — feel it’s time to let go of.
Well said, Pepe. That’s the way I understood it, too. It makes sense.
I still crack up whenever I read Monk calling HP, “the hell”. lmao!
Tanzie
Good to see ya Pepe, I couldn’t agree more, Calling out abusive media is one thing, I didn’t come here to ignore things like that, but I did come to let go of the trolls…glad I made it out.
chiocelady, I am absolutely with you on this and you can talk about anything here though I am happiest when it’s not mucking around in the petty HuffPo conflicts between members there.
I have been and will continue to be a frequent critic of Arianna and The Huffington Post. Check out these articles of mine if you haven’t seen them yet:
http://planetpov.com/2009/10/17/huffing_and_posting/ http://planetpov.com/2009/10/26/arianna_huffington_responds/
http://planetpov.com/2009/10/27/the-other-murdoch/
They definitely need to be exposed more publicly for who and what they truly are…and the word “progressive” should not be included in the description.
Nothing is censored here as long as it’s not personally attacking someone or disrupting the site. I am just hoping to guide discussions here back to issues and away from the contagious animosity of the pointless HuffPo blog battles.
And issues do include the agendas being pursued by the MSM, including HuffPo.
Know what else?
There is plenty of import or interest to talk about other than that other blog.
Now If I can just scare up a good debate…..
Thanks, AdLib. I have a number of people I want to invite here, but I’m waiting for the talk about that which we shall not talk about to die down.
You are, as ever, the voice of wisdom.
But let’s do it discreetly or the you know whats will head right on over and do you know what.
“I think anyone not talking about not talking about HuffPo is
not talking about what shouldn
I am so sorry I talked about what we’re not supposed to talk about.
Still, I feel the need to talk about that which I talked about, yet should not have talked about.
I really need to talk about this.
You know what I’m talkin’ about?
P.S. Welcome to PPOV, UncleB.
Good to meet you.
Hello UncleB. Welcome. It’s always those unknown unknowns that worry me. It’s a terrible habit.
Welcome Uncle B
Welcome UncleB…feel free to roam about the Planet!
OK, but how do I get off the email list here? Too much clutter in my mailbox. : )
Welcome to The Planet, Madheart! No worries, I’ll take care of unsubscribing you to the email notifications. Cheers!
Totally off topic, but check out the Speakers Corner. My greatest accomplishment today and has nothing to do with my day job! 🙂
boomer, you rock!
Don’t ever leave.
X2
And your post on Speakers Corner was superb, Boomer!
It is a proud day for us a nation.
Go Boomer, Go Boomer, Go Boomer….!!!!