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It seems that Trump’s newly announced coup over our democracy isn’t off to a great start.

AdLib
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Sen. Feinstein announced that she opposes ending the filibuster if Dems win back the Senate. This is terribly wrongheaded so as a constituent, I wrote and sent her the following:

Dear Senator Feinstein, I have been a loyal Democrat all of my life and I have voted for you in every Senate election since you first ran in 1992.

Your recent declaration opposing the elimination of the filibuster if Dems win The Senate was concerning. Seeing that Mitch McConnell is about to further stack the Supreme Court 6-3 so that it will eliminate Roe v. Wade, Obamacare, Voting Rights, etc., Democrats will only have one hope left to defend the destruction of millions of lives through those decisions, eliminate the filibuster and add seats to the SCOTUS (hopefully 4 seats that would give Dems and Moderates a majority and match the number of 13 District courts we now have…which should also be expanded to dilute the unqualified judges Trump and McConnell have stacked into the lower courts) to compensate for the seats McConnell has stolen from Democratic presidents.

While I’m sure your intentions are driven by respect of the institution of the Senate, we are in a new era now and surrounded by multiple threats including COVID-19, economic damage from it and racial injustice. You know McConnell abused the filibuster against President Obama extensively. With our country in peril, would you really allow The Senate and Congress to be intentionally handcuffed by McConnell? Are millions of lives of women and minorities and the destruction of our democracy, the USPS, healthcare, veterans’ care, etc. all a fair trade for retaining rules that have been and will be thrown aside when Republicans are in power?

With all due respect, you are badly misguided in this view, out of touch with the desperation and needs of the regular people in this country right now. We can’t afford to have Republicans block the aid and reforms the American People need at this time so badly. You would be empowering McConnell and the Republicans to continue their double standard of damaging the country by making up false rules and disregarding other rules when it benefits them but blocking Democrats from accomplishing much of anything when they are in power. The filibuster is a remnant from slavery times. It no longer serves the purpose you think it does.

In fact, you made an absolutely false statement in your announcement, claiming it is used less nowadays than previously. The facts prove that the basis of your defense of retaining the filibuster is a falsehood. You represent me and other Californians. We need you to face facts and only facts, rise to the moment of enormous crisis this country is in now and do what’s needed to be done. That will require bringing the Senate back to a majority rule house, as it used to be before Republicans corrupted the filibuster into a frequent weapon which it was never intended to be. This will be what you, Biden and the Dem Party are judged on in history books. Did Democrats fight the good fight and repair the country after the Trump Era or did they stand around helplessly, pointing fingers at the Republicans for filibustering and cementing their and Trump’s destruction of this country for decades to come.

Exceptional times require exceptional actions. Please, be exceptional. Defend and repair this country with other Democrats, do not doom the country by putting a reverence of bygone rules in The Senate ahead of the lives of millions ofAmericans who are and will be harmed by Trump and Republicans in Congress. Thank you.

Khirad
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So you’re free to say I’m stupid, but I saw someone do this on YouTube. By the way, I’d like a little support?

I’m contacting every country’s embassy alphabetically to ask for information they can send me. My ulterior motive, of course, is for swag and mainly, free flags. I haven’t factored in postage yet, but, I want to see how many countries reply.

I won’t give the full list, but I’m through the A’s and B’s. So that’s 26 countries so far. I need to revisit Bolivia, their consulate was iffy. And I’m skipping Belarus for now. Because hopefully that Lukashenko flag will be dirt cheap and I don’t know how to contact the opposition…

So, I’m stupid. I know. I’m on the C’s next. I swear I saw someone get free stuff, mostly without postage. Sometimes I hate myself. I’m addicted to flags.

AdLib
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You could always use the Russian flag for Belarus, it would be pretty accurate right now.

Not stupid at all, I think it’s fun and if you have any updates on your progress, I’d enjoy reading them.

Kalima
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A very sad day for America.

RIP, Ruth Bader Ginsburg.

The McConnell vulture is circling.

Ruth Bader Ginsburg dies: Supreme Court justice dead at 87.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/obituaries/ruth-bader-ginsburg-dies/2020/09/18/3cedc314-fa08-11ea-a275-1a2c2d36e1f1_story.html

AdLib
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This is a spiritual gut punch. Even though I worried about her health and this shouldn’t be surprising, it feels like a national tragedy. So much of America has been at risk under Trump but this multiplies it, so many issues like the ACA and Women’s Rights are now o the chopping block. It’s a nightmare.

The one remedy, if Trump and McConnell do replace her with a RW nutjob is a commitment by Dems and Biden to reform the courts starting with expanding the SCOTUS to 13 seats, adding 4 Progressives, and giving Progressives a 1 seat majority.

The enlarging the lower courts and diluting the unqualified extremist Moscow Mitch and Trump have shoved down America’s throat.

Kalima
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They can rush through their abuse of power idiot’s wet dream for the SC confirmation and do nothing about COVID-19 or the 200,000 Americans who have already died due to a monster in the WH and a corrupt republican Senate. May they burn in Hell.

AdLib
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Hell better already be building an extension to make room for all these evil creatures who may be arriving earlier than they assumed thanks to COVID.

Dems have no choice but to end the filibuster and muscle through expanding the SCOTUS and lower courts, bringing DC and PR in as states to equalize the Senate and Electoral College and spend two years repairing all the damage and injustice Trump and McConnell have wrought.

AdLib
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Then there’s this, keeping in mind that Moscow Mitch and Repubs used the “American voters should get to decide” lie to block Merrick Garland.

“In Times/Siena polls of Maine, North Carolina and Arizona released Friday, voters preferred Mr. Biden to select the next Supreme Court justice by 12 percentage points, 53 percent to 41 percent. In each of the three states, Mr. Biden led by just a slightly wider margin on choosing the next justice than he did over all.

Similarly, a Fox News poll last week found that voters nationwide trusted Mr. Biden over Mr. Trump — by seven points — to nominate the next Supreme Court justice.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/19/upshot/supreme-court-polls.html

TOCB
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WAIT A MINUTE!!! Trump and Giuliani are ACTIVELY working with Russian spies to produce a documentary about Joe Biden? AND both trump and Giuliani are walking around FREE???

The man the Treasury Department called “an active Russian agent for over a decade,” met with President Donald Trump’s personal attorney Rudy Giuliani to dig up dirt on former Vice President Joe Biden.

Andrii Derkach, a member of the Ukrainian Parliament, and three other Russian-linked individuals were designated, Thursday, by Treasury’s Office of Foreign Assets Control, for attempting to influence the U.S. electoral process.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/treasury-department-ukrainian-linked-rudy-giuliani-russian-agent/story?id=72942083

Giuliani is not doing ANYTHING without trump’s approval and instruction. PERIOD! I am not sure how the Treasury Department was able to sanction Derkach without the approval of trump and Mnuchin, but I am perplexed as to why everyone involved in these traitorous activities is not in jail.

AdLib
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It’s understandable that the concept of America having a Russian operative as president is so outside what could be real that many Americans simply don’t see it.

That is the threshold we somehow have to get past with many people, Dems and Repubs. America, right now, is dominated by Russian control and influence. That is a provable fact. Trump, the GOP, their major supporters like The NRA have all been compromised by Russia. We are living in a plot that used to be fictional in movies and books and people refuse to accept this difficult truth.

Russia has power in the US government and makes decisions including another and bigger attempt to dictate who will be the next president. Repub Senators spent 4th of July in Moscow last year. Many have accepted money from Russia one way or another and many are victims of Kompromat. Trump allows Russia to use bounties to murder our soldiers, invade and threaten other countries, murder our allies like the Kurds In Syria, etc.

And Trump is blatantly trying to commit a coup against our democracy while Repubs silently hide in the shadows and allow him to do so without criticism.

This is the most important election in US history, aside from the first election of George Washington. We are on the brink of a dictatorship and shockingly, the aspiring dictator has support over 40%, 46% in an admitted Repub-skewed Rasmussen poll today.

Still, a majority of Americans are disgusted with Trump and want to preserve our democracy. We have a fight ahead of us, against tyrants, Russia, the greed-obsessed wealthy and the racists but we are the majority and we will stand up against them. We have no choice, we must.

TOCB
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This is REALLY scary! I have never believed trump actually legally won the electoral college vote in 2016. I always believed actual votes were changed to make it appear he won the electoral college vote. Now I am even more convinced that is true, and the scary part is it will likely happen again.

The FBI and Department of Homeland Security have confirmed that our foreign adversaries have targeted election networks in all fifty states for cyber attacks. The EAC must take these warning deadly seriously and pass the VVSG with an added ban on wireless modems and Internet connectivity in voting systems.

https://www.electiondefense.org/internet-connectivity-in-voting-machines

Cybersecurity experts maintain that connecting election systems to the internet, even briefly, exposes these machines to malicious attackers who may be intent on derailing or discrediting an election. It’s not just voting machines that are vulnerable but any piece of the election apparatus, including wireless-enabled printers, digital check-in tablets, tabulators and even the registration database, they said.

And yet, some local and state election officials remain committed to wireless-enabled machines, which allow them to quickly provide results to the public and more easily accommodate disabled voters. Heading into the 2020 presidential election, Rhode Island, Wisconsin, Georgia and Florida are among at least 11 states that still allow voting jurisdictions to use wireless-enabled voting equipment.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-01-03/america-won-t-give-up-its-hackable-wireless-voting-machines

NOTHING is currently being done to ensure votes in the 2020 election are not manipulated remotely by wireless internet connections.

AdLib
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And the thing about the Feds is that, in order to keep Americans confident in our democracy and elections, they would never admit that Russian hacking changed election results even when they did.

They have kept secret the hacking details in FL during the 2016 election and elsewhere. Why? If the hacking was a failure, why not be open with the public?

Because I don’t think it was a failure and it may have determined the election for Trump and that’s too damaging to the republic to admit, from their standpoint. Personally, I think we deserve to know, especially so we don’t let it happen again.

AdLib
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54 days until Election Day. The polls and public opinion are pretty much in cement, they may vary a little but Biden’s wide lead isn’t going to become a lead for Trump between now and then.

It’s only about GOTV now. Avoiding Trump’s and the GOP’s voter suppression. That’s it, that’s what the focus needs to be on. A majority of voters want to defeat Trump, what the mission is now is to get those votes made and counted.

TOCB
Member

Wow! 54 days! The nightmare is almost over. The concern is what will trump do between November 3rd and January 20th?

AdLib
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I know, it seems so recent that we finally hit the 100-day mark until the election. I usually shun the idea of wanting time to pass quickly but I have been anxious for the clock to spin to Election Day ASAP. Then Jan 20th!

53 days now until Election Day!

As to The Madness of King Trump, I think we should be expecting increasingly dangerous behavior from Trump from this point through Election Day and up until Inauguration Day for Biden on Jan 20th, 2020.

Will he start a war? Will he declare Martial Law? Will he start prosecuting and locking up his political adversaries? Will he quit NATO and give Putin the green light to invade countries? Will he rally racist militias to attack and murder protesters? Wait, he’s already done that last one.

We need to be prepared. Trump is already engaged in a coup to take over the country and bury our democracy. This is a mini-civil-war we are fighting right now, this minute. But we have the majority, we can win this!

TOCB
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This is a perfect example of how trump has no concern if someone else is infected with covid, as long as he is not infected. Trump tells the reporter to take his mask off because his voice in muffled and he is a substantial distance from trump. However, trump ignores the fact that the reporter is close to the other reporters.

AdLib
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It seems part of Trump’s sadistic game, to exert control over those who intimidate him. He mentioned in the past that people wear masks as a way to oppose him. So he sees it as opposition and he wants to humiliate and compromise those he sees as opposing him.

TOCB
Member

After his 18 interviews, Woodward issues a stark verdict: Trump is the “dynamite behind the door.” Woodward concludes his book with a declaration that “Trump is the wrong man for the job.”

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/bob-woodward-book-rage-trump-admits-to-concealing-true-threat-of-coronavirus/ar-BB18ROUd?ocid=msedgdhp

AdLib
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There are people who are legitimately saying Woodward, like Bolton, Cohen, Stelter, etc. betrayed the public by hiding their revelations for months or years just to cash in on them in a book.

I feel that way but also think, even if the release date of their books were only intended to maximize profits for them, could accomplish more in coming close to the election and help to defeat Trump.

Either way, it is no brilliant deductive reasoning to say in September of 2020 that Trump is the wrong man for the job. Most sentient people knew that the moment he came down an escalator to announce himself as the pro-racist candidate.

I’m glad this is coming out now but have mixed feelings about the consciences of these book authors.

TOCB
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ANOTHER example of the long history of the United States government allowing the terrorizing and persecution of black people.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/researchers-tentatively-identify-72-men-believed-to-be-buried-at-sugar-land-95-site/ar-BB18IMfu?ocid=msedgntp

AdLib
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This is just horrible. The sad thing is, the brutality and inhumanity of white racism, past and definitely present, hasn’t diminished. We should be able to look back at those times, be disgusted, and at least be able to say that America has seen the light since then.

Many have, a majority has supported the George Floyd/BLM protests but the violence and hatred by white racists/militias and ongoing executions by white racist police officers say there are so many among us who are no more evolved than racist mass murderers from the past.

TOCB
Member

For the umpteenth time, Barr is acting as trump’s personal attorney rather than acting as the people’s attorney. When the government is restored, Barr must be prosecuted for willfully and knowingly using his office to defend trump in personal and political matters, while being paid to represent the people. If he wants to be trump’s personal attorney, he should resign as attorney general.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/the-justice-department-seeks-to-intervene-in-a-lawsuit-brought-by-trump-s-rape-accuser-which-would-leave-taxpayers-footing-the-legal-bills/ar-BB18Qhfb?ocid=msedgntp

AdLib
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This is a clear abuse of power by Barr and he should be impeached for all of his abuses but won’t be. It is Barr acting only as a consigliere for Trump, there are no legit grounds to say that Trump was acting in his position as a government official when he lies abut and smears a woman he raped. Where is that found in his constitutional duties?

Barr knows he won’t win this fraudulent claim but what he is really doing is forcing a delay so Trump won’t have to respond to providing DNA and evidence until after the election when this outrageous abuse of power will be thrown out by the courts.

I think it is a necessity now, Barr must be charged with his crimes and he should be convicted and imprisoned, to prove we are back to being a nation of laws in a Biden Admin and to put the fear of God in any mobster like Barr who thinks about copying this criminal behavior in the future.

TOCB
Member

When a judge rules on this delay tactic, he/she should at the very least issue a contempt sanction against Barr for knowingly and willfully misapplying the law as attorney general of the United States.

AdLib
Admin

I hope that will be the case. This kind of abuse of power and theft of taxpayer money needs to be sanctioned. Then again, if a decision on this is delayed as Trump and Barr are intending, the participation of the DOJ can be immediately dropped once Biden is in office in Jan.

TOCB
Member

You won’t hear trump address this, but 1,000 people in Georgia have been identified to have voted twice, as trump advised.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/in-georgia-officials-are-investigating-hundreds-of-cases-of-double-voting/ar-BB18PJkk?ocid=msedgdhp

TOCB
Member

I have to admit that when I first read this, I thought it was referring to early voting for the general election and that trump supporters had voted twice. As it turns out, Georgia election officials are saying that people voted twice in the Georgia primary and runoff elections. I am not sure if the claim is that Democrats voted twice, or if republicans voted twice. It is a felony regardless of who did it. Generally, the problem with Democrats is getting them to vote once.

If it turns out that Democrats in Georgia voted twice, trump will indeed use it against voting by mail.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/08/politics/georgia-official-claims-double-voting-in-primary/index.html

AdLib
Admin

As stated in the article, I agree that this is more reflective of GA’s broken election system than of a concerted effort to defraud an election. Most other states have a system that prevents counting two ballots from the same person, submitted by mail, and then in person. That is a failure of the GA system and the SoS…which has just been proven to be the very ones sabotaging democracy after throwing 200,000 legit voters off the rolls in 2018.

I would think many of those voters, who did commit a crime by voting twice and should be sanctioned for it, just thought the government would catch it if they saw two ballots from them and voted both ways to make sure their vote was counted.

Ignorant, malicious in some cases but in a less corrupt state, the system wouldn’t even allow it to happen.

TOCB
Member

Stuart Stevens’ It Was All a Lie is a sustained attack, both jeremiad and confession, on the Republican party he served for 40 years. His is the hand at Belshazzar’s political feast: “All of these immutable truths turned out to be marketing slogans. None of it meant anything. I was the guy working for Bernie Madoff who actually thought we were really smart and just crushing the market.”
Stevens, a consultant, is refreshingly frank about his role and responsibility. “Blame me,” he writes, adding: “I had been lying to myself for decades.” He seeks a new leaf on a “crazy idea that a return to personal responsibility begins with personal responsibility”.

Unsurprisingly, he starts with race, “the original Republican sin … the key in which much of American politics and certainly all of southern politics was played.” Since the Civil Rights Act of 1964, Republicans have had difficulty appealing to African American voters. Stevens is not surprised.

“What happens if you spend decades focused on appealing to white voters and treating non-white voters with, at best, benign neglect? You get good at doing what it takes to appeal to white voters.” How, for instance, does a black person hear an “avowed hatred of government”?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/02/it-was-all-a-lie-review-trump-republican-party

Who exactly is Stuart Stevens confessing to? He admits that he had been lying to himself for decades. That tells me that he did not really believe the lies promoted by himself and other Republicans, rather he lied to himself about the lies. Democrats knew Republicans were lying all along, and black people and other minorities certainly knew Republicans were lying.

Many Republicans are now willing to admit that Donald Trump has exposed their party’s lies. They always knew they were lying, but they wanted to portray that they believed the lies. You might recall early in the Trump administration that Mitch McConnell, while responding to question from the press about Trump’s behavior, publicly admonish Trump to, “stay on script”. What did, “stay of script” mean? It meant to continue carrying out the policies that Republicans supported, but do not reveal that most of them are motivated by racism.

The publicly promoted ideals of the Republican Party since the Nixon administration has been “small-government conservatism”. What that really means is that the government should only be involved in things Republicans want the government to be involved in. It has never mattered how much government money is spent on their programs. They only have a distaste for budget deficits when deficits are caused by ideals promoted by Democrats.

The primary things Republicans want the government involved in are (1) national defense (Eisenhower referred to this as the military industrial complex), (2) protecting the wealthy, (3) promoting their vision of Christian doctrine, (4) distorting the Second Amendment by promoting the notion that it protects a right for civilians to have guns. That is, in a nutshell, the complete “small-government conservative” agenda, although there are varying versions of it.

Promoting racism and bigotry has simply been a campaign strategy Republicans have used since the Nixon administration’s southern strategy, by taking advantage of racist white Americans, primarily but not exclusively in the south. Some Republicans are willing to vote for Democrats in 2020 simply because they think Trump has taken over their party. They still subscribe to the “small-government conservative” agenda, but they also see how racist campaign strategies have allowed a complete moron and con man to take over their party, and that not only threatens the “small-government conservative” agenda, it also threatens our democracy.

As someone who has always had great respect for Hillary Clinton, I must mention the karma the Republican Party is dealing with for promoting lies about her for over two decades. In the end, their own party was destroyed by someone who is a thousand times worse, in terms of lying, than even the worst caricature they promoted about Hillary Clinton.

AdLib
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This is a fantastic comment, TOCB. It sure seems that the GOP has been about deception and self-deception. Constantly lying and cheating in elections, using racial divisions to slice up the electorate, slashing taxes for the wealthy and imposing restrictions on Americans.

As you describe, the real problem Stevens and most Repubs have had is they justified for so long that all the awful things they did were justified because they could get what they wanted but sustain the facade of being principled.

Trump has destroyed that facade, stripped it bare and now all Repubs now and leading up to the Trump Era stand exposed as using racism, greed and lies not to further principles but to take and take, money and power, from the American people.

Stevens is suddenly shocked that there’s gambling going on here after taking his winnings from it for so many years. He is not principled and neither he nor many of these objectionable Never Trumpers should have their past whitewashed.

I accept and welcome their opposition to Trump but I think the motivation comes from their having lost control of “their” party and wanting to bring down Trump so they can regain it.

Stevens and these others said nothing when Repubs lies and exploited Benghazi and the deaths there for political gain. Or when Trump collaborated with Russia in stealing the 2016 election.

They simply seem driven by two motivations. First, Trump has locked the GOP into being hollow, without legit values and a racist organization that can’t win the popular vote and thus will lose power. Second, Trump is the dictator of the GOP and none of the old style Repubs retain any power or influence.

But watch, after Trump is defeated, they’ll scurry right back to the GOP and if they can regain control, they will follow all the same voter suppression, racist and greedy agenda that they did before Trump destroyed the facade.

I don’t trust any of them past this election. It’s like being allies with the Russians in WWII, we have a mutual enemy for different reasons so the enemy of my enemy is my friend. But just for now, I highly doubt the party that stole a SCOTUS seat from Obama and damaged Congress’ ability to operate will suddenly become reasonable.

Aside from that, I think they’re oblivious to the morphing of the GOP into a KKK political party. It isn’t their party anymore and after Trump loses, it still won’t be. I can imagine Trump continuing to be their dictator in exile, he’s not going to give up the power he has by having the GOP as his cult of followers.

So what will these Never Trumpers do when they find the GOP has become a party of openly hateful racists and isn’t changing back? Will they start a new party? Keep fighting futilely to turn the clock back on the GOP even though it will never happened? Or will they try to reconcile how they could work with Dems?

We shall see.

TOCB
Member

Brilliant assessment.

AdLib
Admin

Thanks but your comment is a hard act to follow!

TOCB
Member

There is no moral or legal reason to deny a person who was born from two white parents in the USA, to CHOOSE to live a black experience.

The White university professor who admitted Thursday to falsely claiming she was Black throughout her adult life will not be teaching classes in the fall, George Washington University said in a statement Friday. Jessica Krug said in a Medium post that she is White and Jewish, but claimed she “built her life on a violent anti-Black lie.”

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/professor-who-pretended-to-be-black-won-t-teach-this-fall/ar-BB18J4ne?ocid=msedgdhp

Professor Krug is clearly academically qualified to teach African Studies. However, our society has influenced her that it is wrong for her to choose the black experience.

https://history.columbian.gwu.edu/jessica-krug

Sepia Magazine financed John Howard Griffin’s six-week research to travel throughout Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Arkansas and Georgia that resulted in the book Black Like Me that was first published in 1961. Griffin darkened his skin in order to pass as a black man during his research.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Like_Me

I have never heard of anyone chastising or criticizing Griffin for his research. Professor Krug is not the only white person who has chosen the black experience as an adult. Why should she be made to feel it is wrong for a white person to choose the black experience?

If a black person who could pass for white chose the white experience, would that be wrong? Well, it has happened thousands of times. In fact in the 1970s The Department of Defense established the Defense Equal Opportunity Management Institute that taught diversity programs, sometimes by using a black man who could pass for white to get white participants to share things with him that they would not normally share with a black person. Episode 21 of season 9 of the PBS program Frontline featured one of those classes. The title of the episode was The Color of Your Skin.

https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bs-xpm-1991-06-11-1991162145-story.html

I think most people would agree that dressing in blackface or something that denigrates an ethnicity is wrong. Is committing to living the experience of another ethnicity wrong???

AdLib
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My opinion on this is that it is unethical to misrepresent one’s background. She lied, straight up, saying she was from “the hood” when she absolutely was not. She deceived and lied to appropriate a fraudulent identity. And to leverage the identity of actual African Americans to benefit herself and her emotional needs, literally taking away careers that genuine African Americans should have been hired for, has a racist aspect to it.

There are plenty of white people who connect with black culture and incorporate it into their identity. Many white students are big into rap and rap culture, for example. I see no issue with liking and adopting other cultures that people find appealing. But that doesn’t justify impersonating those of other cultures and in essence, stealing their unique identity because an aspect of it is envied.

Personally, I see people like Krug and Dolezal as cultural thieves who exploited another culture for selfish personal gain and gratification.

It is one thing to be born into a culture that has a powerful history of struggle for equality and it is something completely different steal that and use it as leverage.

She may have identified with black culture, she may have preferred it but neither she nor her ancestors lived it and in many cases, suffered through the mistreatment and oppression it caused them.

It’s kind of like “stolen valor” to me, she isn’t entitled to it.

TOCB
Member

I guess we come from different places on this one Ad. I feel that EVERYONE has the freewill to choose how they want to live, AND suffer the consequences of those choices. To me, how we look is a facade. I don’t know what motivated Krug and Dolezal to change their facades, but I think it is their choice. I don’t know how to change my facade in a way that would make me appear not to be of African descent. However, I have read about many African Americans who said they wish they could do that. Whether we are aware of it or not, everything and everyone is of one spirit, and every freewill distortion is as valuable as any freewill distortion, whether we understand or accept that, or not.

AdLib
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TOCB, I agree completely that people should be able to live their life as they choose. My point is that it doesn’t justify lying about your heritage and falsely claiming to be someone you’re not.

There are countless people who are attracted to living as those in a different culture from the one they were born into, that is absolutely their right and nothing’s wrong with that.

But I have an issue with people who deceive, those who lie to serve themselves and in this case, to the deficit of those who they claim to respect.

Dolezal lied about her past and her heritage was hired as NAACP chapter president because of it, and stole a job that was clearly intended for an African American.

Here are Krug’s own words of self-condemnation in an editorial she wrote after having been exposed:

The essay said Krug assumed identities of North African, U.S., and Carribean Blackness in what was the “epitome of violence, of thievery and appropriation.”

“People have fought together with me and have fought for me, and my continued appropriation of a Black Caribbean identity is not only, in the starkest terms, wrong — unethical, immoral, anti-Black, colonial — but it means that every step I’ve taken has gaslighted those whom I love,” the essay said.

The author goes on to state that she had been dealing with “unaddressed mental health demons,” but that mental health was not an excuse for her assumption of identities that were not hers to hold.

“I am a coward,” the author wrote. “There is no ignorance, no innocence, nothing to claim, nothing to defend. I have moved wrong in every way for years.”

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/jessica-krug-resigns-teaching-position-george-washington-university-n1239696

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“People have fought together with me and have fought for me, and my continued appropriation of a Black Caribbean identity is not only, in the starkest terms, wrong — unethical, immoral, anti-Black, colonial — but it means that every step I’ve taken has gaslighted those whom I love,” the essay said.

There is no way for her to live the black experience without experiencing what black people experience. Yes, as a white person she could have at any time ended what she had to endure as a “black person”, but that is not living the black experience.

Likewise, she should not be judged as a coward because she endured it. I don’t think she was wrong at all. I think those who would judge her are wrong. Living the black experience is certainly no walk in the park. She could have chosen to live the white privileged experience. She have to have had a sense that the black experience would be much more difficult. Now she knows from experience that it is. No one can take that away from her and she can never erase that experience. I say MORE POWER TO HER!

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I understand your POV on this and appreciate it though I do disagree on the character issue.

Just to be clear, those were her own words, she was calling herself a coward.

Honesty still matters. She was dishonest, she lied about who she was, to hide that she was a white, Jewish woman who was living as part of a culture she identified with. There was no legit downside to being honest about this, she was deceptive about this to serve herself and her own purposes.

Whatever the issue, someone who disrespects those in their life by deceiving them to gratify themselves is too flawed for me to view as a role model.

TOCB
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We definitely have a different perspective on this. To me it is not about her being a role model or being dishonest. Our entire society is dishonest. To me it is about her choice to identify as she chose. She had no say in who her parents were. She did obviously have a choice how she experienced her life. I think a society that would judge her on that choice, while being a dishonest society, should look inward.

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We appear to be focusing on two different aspects of this so I don’t know if it’s that we disagree as much.

Addressing your focus on the choice of people to identify however they choose, I agree 100%. I think most people do.

As to my focus, I don’t think most people are condemning Krug because she identified as black. There are scores of white men, women, boys and girls who identify most with black culture.

The issue I’m addressing is that one can identify with a culture without lying and deceiving. It is not a requirement and in fact, is unethical and disrespectful.

Some of her black students are feeling betrayed and manipulated, not because they have an issue with how she identified but how she deceived them. Fom the article I linked to above:

The university was also offering counseling services for students who may have been affected by the situation, the email from the provost and Columbian College of Arts and Sciences Dean Paul Wahlbeck stated.

She has done at least some harm to her students, the university acknowledges, due to her deception, not her identifying.

So bottom line, we agree that everyone should be free to identify however they choose and not be disrespected for it. However, IMO, whether related to cultural identification, political office, or just personal relationships, those who betray the trust of others and consciously choose to lie and deceive, deserve the consequences that result from their unethical actions.

TOCB
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She has done at least some harm to her students, the university acknowledges, due to her deception, not her identifying.

Admittedly, I am a little different, but I believe the students are being misled. If someone immerses themselves in ANYTHING, they become that thing. Was she being deceptive, or was she “being” black? Rather than ostracizing her, maybe she should be studied to examine how a person can become something that society doesn’t approve of. Is there a law against becoming something other than what society wants you to be? Did she not receive the training for whatever positions she obtained? Where exactly is the deception? Becoming black?

Jessica A. Krug (sometimes posing as Jess La Bombalera[10][18][19]) was an associate professor of history at George Washington University (2012–2020).[20] She is the author of the well-reviewed work of Columbian, Brazilian, and West African histories Fugitive Modernities: Kisama and the Politics of Freedom,[21] which treats the Quiçama people, at home in Angola and within diaspora, especially in Brazil.[5][22] The book was a finalist for the Frederick Douglass Prize[23] and the Harriet Tubman Prize.[24] Krug’s additional studies focus on African American history and Latin America.[5] According to Krug, her principal focus has been in advocacies on behalf of people of color as well as in anti-gentrification activism.[5] She has published essays in Essence and at the race-exploring website RaceBaitR.[25][26][27]

Krug has taken financial support from the Schomburg Center for Research in Black Culture that led to her book, Fugitive Modernities.[9] In 2009, she was awarded a $45,000 Fulbright-Hays Doctoral Dissertation Research Abroad Fellowship.[28]

Growing up in the Kansas City metropolitan area Krug graduated from The Barstow School, a co-ed private college prep school in south Kansas City.[2] She later attended the University of Kansas as a white woman,[3][29] within her September 2020 blog post, Krug said she had “been battling some unaddressed mental health demons for my entire life” and, to escape from unspecified emotional “issues” and “severe trauma”, began passing as a light-skinned person of color in her youth.[30]

To say that I clearly have been battling some unaddressed mental health demons for my entire life, as both an adult and child, is obvious. Mental health issues likely explain why I assumed a false identity initially, as a youth, and why I continued and developed it for so long; the mental health professionals from whom I have been so belatedly seeking help assure me that this is a common response to some of the severe trauma that marked my early childhood and teen years. But mental health issues can never, will never, neither explain nor justify, neither condone nor excuse, that, in spite of knowing and regularly critiquing any and every non-Black person who appropriates from Black people, my false identity was crafted entirely from the fabric of Black lives.

— Jessica A. Krug[7]

Again, from my perspective, Ms. Kurg achieved her positions in African American and Latin History. How is it a crime for her to choose to live as a black person? Shouldn’t we be focusing more on WHY there is a difference between a “black experience” and a “white experience”?

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To answer one of your closing questions, I don’t believe anyone is saying that choosing to identify and live as part of black culture is a crime. I am curious if you’ve seen a meaningful article that has expressed that she was wrong or committed a crime by doing so. I have not seen that.

And of course, I’m not saying that either.

I do think your final question is very important, why there is such a difference between the black experience of life and the white experience. We do know the institutional racism that this country was founded on as being a big contributor to that. But of course, there are more complexities to that as well.

I am with you on that as I hope is apparent in my previous comments.

As your comment noted and my previous one did, Krug has admitted that her deceptions and unethical behavior were not related to race but to mental health issues.

That is what my POV has been based on, the unethical nature of only her deceptions which she has admitted were misguided.

TOCB
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Good talk!

Kalima
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Brought to you from the “white supremacy house”.

Wonder when the mass public burning of American history books starts and when will they build the internment camps?

In November, let it be, “Raus mit dem Schmerz!!”

White House directs federal agencies to cancel race-related training sessions it calls ‘un-American propaganda’

Administration seeks list of contracts for those that refer to ‘white privilege,’ according to memo

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/09/04/white-house-racial-sensitivity-training/

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In the letter, Vought told the agency heads to identify contracts or other spending related to training on “critical race theory,” “white privilege,” “or any other training or propaganda effort that teaches or suggests either (1) that the United States is an inherently racist or evil country or (2) that any race or ethnicity is inherently racist or evil.”

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/wh-memo-calls-for-ban-on-feds-offering-race-related-training/ar-BB18IUFF?ocid=msedgdhp

It is an undisputed fact that the USA was founded on racism and has practiced it from its inception. Does that mean that Europeans who established this country are inherently racist? NOT AT ALL! All it means is that MOST of them CHOSE/CHOOSE to be racist. In spite of that fact, there has always been some people of European descent in the USA who have pushed for racial equality and indeed risked and even lost their lives to bring it about.

Most of the 45 presidents of the USA were probably racists. However, in modern history (from 1952 forward) trump is the ONLY president who has OPENLY practiced it. Even when segregation was sanctioned by the federal government, Strom Thurman and George Wallace LOST their bids for president. Trump is the first modern day president to be elected BECAUSE of his racism.

To instruct agencies to defund programs that deals with the truth of racism in this country is of course, racist.

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I guess this is pretty much all Trump has left. Try and show his racist cultists that each day, he’s working to make white supremacy great again.

And he thinks While he’s trying to whip up more racist voters, Kanye will drain off black voters.

Neither delusion will prove out, there is not a deep well of racist whites to be added to his base nor will Kanye’s disastrous charade of a campaign attract many black voters.

Trump is now like the five year old who goes to the museum and pushes every button he can find just to push buttons, not understanding what it means. He’s desperate and every opportunity to hammer on racism, he will take.

Trump is going to lose, despite all the attempts to block voting and cheat, he is going to lose big time. The latest poll out today from CBS shows Biden still has a 10 point lead nationally. That hasn’t changed in months, less than 2 months left now and so much more is coming out to bury Trump further.

The spell is broken, it’s becoming apparent to Repubs and donors that Trump will lose. And it sounds like Trump has robbed his re-election fund of so much, they’re running very low on funds.

The end is coming, no donors want to throw their money away on Trump and people want to be on the winning side and have access to the next admin so I would expect Biden’s lead to stay strong and maybe even grow.

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The Lincoln Project has been absolutely amazing. As far as I know T has never mentioned it in public, but I can only imagine how utterly galling it must be to see some of the most effective ads opposing him coming from the GOP.