Impeach Obama

IF THE GOP KEEPS THE HOUSE,

WINS THE SENATE:

A TRIAL BUT NO CONVICTION……

unless you consider the impact on the electorate in 2016

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Talk of impeachment MEANS NOTHING….unless the GOP gets control of the Senate. Without that….the House can vote articles of impeachment, but the Senate will just knock the heck out of them making the GOP look very foolish. BUT BEING ABLE TO CONDUCT A SENATE TRIAL….and it is a trial…..under rules set up by the GOP will allow them to dredge up every so-called scandal and every disagreement in excruciating detail. It will last a year or more….NOW OBAMA WILL NOT BE FOUND GUILTY because after the trial procedure this is what happens….

  • The Senate will meet in private session to debate a verdict.
  • The Senate, in open session, will vote on a verdict. A 2/3 vote of the Senate will result in a conviction.
  • The Senate will vote to remove the President from office.
  • The Senate may also vote (by a simple majority) to prohibit the President from holding any public office in the future.

SO LET’S LOOK AT THE NUMBERS….

2/3 of the Senate. That’s 67 members of the Senate finding him guilty. In even the worst forecasts for the Midterms as seen at http://mark28.blogspot.com/2014/01/updated-2014-senate-race-predictions.html  the largest number of gains for the GOP is 6 seats.

Currently there are 53 Democrats, and 2 Independents in the Democratic Causus and 45 GOP.

In the worst case scenario, we get 47 Democrats and 2 Independents and 51 GOP.Not even close to 67.

SO, WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT HERE IS A SHOW TRIAL THAT WILL THE CONGRESS AND THE PRESIDENT UP IN KNOTS…all to make the 2016 race a verdict on Obama as a failed president leading a failed party.

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cyndibru
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cyndibru

KT, you asked me:
“cyndibru, are you saying that infighting among the GOP is preventing them from even coming up with a better PLAN/IDEA to achieve affordable healthcare insurance for more Americans?

I also have to disagree that Americans don’t like the ACA, or can’t afford it. I know several people who have benefited greatly because they now can have a doctor to see and care for them, when before, they didn’t.”

No, they have a plan. It’s available and ready to go, but they haven’t moved on it at all in the House yet, which was Murph’s point. He says that’s because they can’t pass it in the house due to the infighting between GOP factions there. I say that with the current political realities and timing, there’s no “upside” for the GOP to do so at this time. It could be passed, but it would be a big battle just like the ACA was for the different Dem factions. Since we know it won’t go anywhere while the Dems are in charge of the Senate, the GOP has no reason to have that fight NOW, is my point. Murph disagrees and thinks they have an obligation to put it out there now.

That’s the context of the discussion. Of course lots of Americans like the ACA, especially the ones getting free and/or low cost health care from it. Lots of other Americans don’t like it as it stands, for various reasons. The GOP thinks there’s enough of those Americans who will be voting in the contested races that could flip the Senate this fall to keep the current focus on winning the Senate majority, not the specifics of any replacement plan. They’re not looking to have any infighting over anything right now if they can avoid it. It doesn’t mean that they COULDN’T pass something they felt was necessary at this time, and they’d use arm-twisting to do it if necessary. But they don’t find it necessary at this time, even if Murph thinks it is. His argument is that choosing not to advance the legislation is proof that it can’t be advanced. I disagree with that.

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phoenixdoglover
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Gallup poll had Congressional approval bottoming out a few months ago at 9%. Then it “rebounded” and is around 12% now.

Any way you look at it though, there is still ample opportunity for Congress to do worse. The impeachment idea might do the trick.

Seriously though, even if you accept the argument that the GOP has been reduced to existing for the sole reason of existing, at some point might not the electorate turn off the TV, step outside, and decide to change this?

There are some hopeful signs. Take the average age of a Fox viewer, for example. Only a string of medical discoveries is going to save that demographic.

But I agree with the basic analysis. It could be a show trial only. The votes wont be there. And the window will be only about 10 months long (Jan-Oct 2015), before 2016 campaigning looms larger, and some Senators lose their nerve.

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SearingTruth
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I writhed in anguish for years. Always knowing pain was coming, but never knowing what I should attempt to say next, or how I should appear so that my American torturers would believe me.

The problem was that I was innocent.
ST

“Democracies are lost because the people that live within them, given enough time, forget how precious they are, and forsake the foundations upon which they stand.”
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BirdIntheHand
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The Republicans have been waiting for 6 years to even get as far as staging a show trial against Obama that has no chance of removing him from office. They did it to Clinton, and they’d use the slightest excuse to do it to Obama. Unfortunately with the whole release of prisoners from Gitmo and apparently violating the 30-day notification to Congress, even if for the right reasons, he’s given them the excuse they’ve been seeking. The fact that the Democrats allowed Bush’s 8 years to pass without anyone even suggesting impeachment (except, I think, for Dennis Kucinich(sp)) after all that Bush did, including war crimes, is despicable, but it happened – they should have done it to him when they had the chance.

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JumpingJackFlash
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JumpingJackFlash

The fact that he released 5 terrorists back to fight the US is high Treason.

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pinkpantheroz
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Sorry, Jack, but you’re starting to look like a typical GOPTP troll with provocative one liners. Do look at your party’s history, you know, Saint Ronald of Reagan, who not only traded missiles for hostages in Iran, but as shown today here, praised the Taliban as the founding fathers of Afghanistan! So I’d hold off the stone throwing in the glasshouse if I were you, which I’m thankfully not.

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escribacat
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Would you also consider trading arms for hostages in Iran to be high treason?

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jjgravitas
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jjgravitas

JumpingJack, you argument ignores the facts. The five terrorists will continue to be held in Qatar for the next year. By the time they set foot in Afganistan, our forces will have pulled out. The Iraq War is over, the Afghan War is about to. Not treason, high or otherwise.
What else you got?

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Nirek
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Birdinthehand, I have to agree with you. “w” was the most deserving of impeachment ever. And the Democrats let that chance slip by them.

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funksands
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Murph, the GOP’s goal is not to “run” the government or “govern” the country using the government apparatus.

It is to feed on the commons.

The easiest way to weaken he host so it is more easily fed on is to break the public trust in its government

So it is easier to feed on the commons.

Because why would anyone care about something broken?

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jjgravitas
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jjgravitas

I still care about the social contract between Americans that the GOP and its oligarch friends are in the process of ripping to shreds. I’d like to see that contract put back together and strengthened so that the GOP can never touch it again.

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slightlycrazy
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slightlycrazy

all governments are protection rackets at heart

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SearingTruth
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Fellow citizens, a moment of silence for the Fourth Amendment of The Constitution of the United States of America.

It went far before it’s time, and unconstitutionally.

Here were its last words:

“The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.”
The Constitution of the United States of America, Fourth Amendment

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SearingTruth
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“Our last great hope is doing the same as our last great tyrant.”
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Beatlex
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Beatlex

Yes Murph,and the R’s will have no qualms doing it.How disgraceful.And it would come back to haunt them IMO.Good post

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SearingTruth
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“The Republican and Democratic parties have delivered us into the hands of darkness.”
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Nirek
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ST, you speak the truth.
It is unfortunate that money has corrupted the politic of America.

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SearingTruth
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And that is the key gentle friend Nirek. Thank you.
ST

“Public finance of public elections is the only just practice, and solution.

None above, or below, another.”
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slightlycrazy
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slightlycrazy

plus, there may be intelligent republicans after all. some republicans are even now challenging the hysteria over bergdahl, which has to be the absolute nadir of rightie weirdness.

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Dimbulb2
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Dimbulb2

Unfortunately, they are a very small minority

And as for “the absolute nadir of righty weirdness”…….

BENGHAZI!, Its bigger than Watergate ! (TM)

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slightlycrazy
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slightlycrazy

they don’t remember watergate. i remember watergate.

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Dimbulb2
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Dimbulb2

As do I

Thank god Forrest Gump was up late
(snark)

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Wemble
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In order to prevent any impeachment trial the solutions is simple: Democrats and those who usually support Democratic candidates need to show up at the polls and vote. I don’t know why this is such a complicated concept to grasp, but evidently it is. Republicans get it, but far, far too many Democratic voters need to be excited or arm twisted into casting their ballots.

This type of voter apathy by Democrats in 2010 is what allowed my state of Wisconsin to elect a college drop out as our governor and Russ Feingold lost reelection as senator. Republicans got out and voted, Democrats did not.

Senators are voted into office by the entire electorate of a state, it is not gerrymandered. So every vote from every district is important, no matter how red it might be. Democrats simply need to vote to succeed.

Governments are formed, laws are passed, policies are made as a result of those who choose to take part in the electoral process, not by those who choose to not vote, but then complain about the result of their inaction. For Republicans to succeed with impeachment in the Senate, all they need is for Democrats not to vote.

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Nirek
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Wemble, you hit the nail squarely on the head. We need to find a way to light a fire under the apathetic Democrats.
Welcome to the Planet, btw.

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Dimbulb2
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Dimbulb2

The only hope for the survival of the republican party is an undereducated electorate combined with a right wing activist SCOTUS intent on enabling the purchase of our elections by the 1%.
Which is exactly what we have.

I also “want my country back”

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Nirek
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Murph, do you really think they will start an impeachment? They don’t have anything but false accusations and out and out lies.

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Miles Long
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As it stands now there probably won’t be a Republican in the White House for a good many terms, an attempt at impeaching President Obama would only increase that time span.

Normally, Republicans would be more circumspect in their long-term planning, but with the election of so many TeaBaggers the aggregate IQ of the party has decreased precipitously.

Far too often we have seen the more rabid members of the Republican Party commit political acts that only hurt their cause, the most recent government shut down being the latest, best example.

The fact that racist factions of the Conservative Right, those still pissed that the South lost the war, will do anything they perceive as opposition to this president hasn’t been lost on Democrats.

What’s patently unfortunate is that the philosophy of the Left has never been an attitude of “take no prisoners” as has completely permeated the Right. Democrats can’t even utter the word “lie” to the most egregious shouted protestations from Republican crazies.

Personally I can’t wait for the House to initiate Impeachment proceedings. Perhaps that will serve to stiffen the spine of Democrats and maybe, just maybe, galvanize those in office and Democratic voters to stand and fight for what this country is supposed to stand for…

Miles “Not Holding My Breath” Long

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antmousie
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The South lost the war? Tell that to all them folks who are still fightin’ “the war of Northern aggression”, and their Northern sympathizers. I’ve no doubt that if they hold the House after the election, they’ll start Impeachment proceedings, and likely Impeach, for no other reason than to leave a permanent black mark intended)by this President’s name. BTW, I really hope you’re correct, and we won’t see another GOTPer in the White House any time soon.

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Miles Long
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Miles Long

The election and re-election of President Obama gave lie to the notion of White Exceptionalism in this country and scared far too many whites into believing that white privilege was on the wane.

To that end, those whites are doing what everyone does regardless of race, national origin, etc, they are projecting what will happen to them when they finally become a minority in this country.

Given the unquestionable evil non-whites have suffered in this country, bigoted, racist whites are convinced that the same deprivations are going to be visited on them once they become a minority.

The resurgence of public hatred, the legislation passed on Stand Your Ground Laws which essentially allows cowardly whites to kill non-whites, mostly Blacks, with impunity, and the denaturing of the Voting Rights Act and Affirmative Action are all examples of the “Blacklash” of President Obama’s election.

And it’s not just race that has been effected. The attack on equality under the law for women has taken a beating as well. In addition to attacking a woman’s right to choose what’s best for her own health, white, Conservative men have been doing their best to decriminalize rape. What’s up with that?

There isn’t a single policy that wealthy Conservatives advocate that is of benefit to the majority of those who live in this country. But they organize, they plan, they draw district boundaries, they get out and vote in off-presidential elections, and they write tax code to enrich themselves, protect themselves and maintain their power over us all.

And their foot soldiers are the Cliven Bundys, the George Zimmermans, etc. They keep America scared fearful against doing the moral and ethical things necessary to bring us back to sanity in their unreasoned fear of those who merely have a different skin color.

Murph is right in part, but an Impeachment is nothing but window dressing and the merest tip of an iceberg that has marched us closer and closer to a country that has nothing to offer except to the 3,000,000 wealthiest families who live here.

Sorry for the mini-rant, but the ease of which the Wealthy Right pulled off the Dumbing Down of America, especially on the working and poor, often sets me off.

Miles “Wondering If My Wealth Will Insulate Me” Long

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KillgoreTrout
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Great comment Miles. I in no way, take it as a rant. You have really laid your finger on the many evils that exist today, mainly in the GOP/TP and unfortunately, some complicit dems in the house and senate.

I put much stock in the old adage about the love of money being the root of evil. Add to that, the lust for power and the result is genuine spiritual death. America, in my opinion now suffers from a real spiritual sickness, and I’m not talking about a convoluted, organized religion version of spirituality, but just a simple awareness that we are all in the same boat and we are all made of the same stuff. To realize that we are all just much smaller parts of a much greater whole. Simple, but hugely beneficial.

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Nirek
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Miles, I don’t wish for an impeachment of President Obama. However I agree that it would make the GOtP an even lesser party than it is now.

I find it hard to believe so many people are ignorant enough to believe so many LIES! They can’t tell the truth even when it would better serve them.

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