Well, get on your Obama Bashing and Tax Cutting 3D-Glasses (the hatred and greed will look like it’s coming right at you!), the new GOP Debate is here! Well, actually it’s on MSNBC tonight at 5:00 pm PDT/8:00 pm EDT. Can you feel the excitement? Or at least the rolling of eyes?

We’ll be live blogging on this thread during the debate, hope you’ll join us. In the mean time, please feel free to post comments about the GOP primary and any of the cast from this hit reality show, “Election – Arkham Asylum Edition”.

Now for a little pre-debate rundown of the top contenders:

Michele Bachmann is…er…choking. She’s…blowing it. After winning the Iowa Straw poll (I think the petting zoo put her over the top), she now looks like she’s bitten off more than she can chew (hope they don’t run out of the giant tub of Schadenfreude at Costco).

Her poll numbers plummeted after Perry entered the race, her top advisers have just bailed and from the crazier look in her eyes, her prescription of Zoloft must have run out. This should be the last gasp for her, there is another debate in a week or so but as this is the first debate with Perry as part of the Klan, if she doesn’t back him off of her Baggers tonight, she’s likely lost them for good.

So, I do expect her to come out Full Metal Straightjacket at Perry first then if he pushes back, look for the Crazy Eyes to start shooting lasers. In the end, I think she’s already lost the battle, no one has ever seen her as substantive enough to win the nom or the General Election. The MSM touted her before just to get excited about a manufactured horse race…and some in the GOP did to reflect how unhappy they were with Romney being the front runner.

Michele Bachmann must feel like Lincoln in the story she always tells about him, how George Washington shot him in the back while he was riding from Concord to warn the British.

 

As for Romney, I think we’ll see him stay on message to the point of being painful to watch, about his bonehead “jobs” plan and the economy, “By cutting taxes for the wealthy, corporations and on capital gains, our government will go bankrupt and when the Chinese repossess America, who do you think they’ll hire to train Chinese workers to run the country? Americans, that’s right! And that means jobs!”

Romney is the sneaky kid who tries to win dodgeball by hiding behind other kids. My bet is that he won’t take on Perry directly though he may by innuendo (“As the only Governor here who was a CEO…and not a last-minute ‘I’m jumping in the race now!’ dick…”) or restrained comment but his game is that of the coward, sit back and hope someone else does his dirty work for him or that Perry will trip himself up.

The flaw in Romney’s “Winning Through Cowardice” strategy is that, Baggers don’t care what their anointed ones say or do as long as they hate the black president, Democrats and anything that will help 99% of Americans. If Perry was to say, “Poor people should be ground up into kibble and fed to the poodles of the wealthy,” they would applaud wildly as the conveyor belt took them down to the grinder.

There is no gaffe that can harm Perry with the GOP base as long as he stays hateful. Romney’s “Cowards Way Out” to the nomination may be looked back on as being as wrong-headed as Giuliani in 2008 waiting until Florida to win a primary. And with Romney having a double jointed neck, he’ll be the only one able to simultaneously look backwards and ahead at the same time!

 

Yes, you, the older oddball with his hand up for the last hour, who are you?

Poor Ron Paul. He could be at the top of the polls and win caucuses and primaries but to the GOP and MSM, he will always be just another job for Ghostbusters. It’s like trying to get a 5 year old to look at the vase he broke, the MSM looks over here, over there, up and down but never sees poor old Ron Paul. He will have his supporters in the audience but neither the GOP nor the MSM will confirm any of the following three things:

1. The Tea Party is racist.

2. Tax cuts don’t create jobs.

3. Ron Paul exists.

Sorry Ron, it’s not us Dems doing this. In fact, here’s a tribute, from us to you:

 

Which brings us to the clown who will be performing in the center ring of this big top, Rick Perry. The Loon Ranger comes into his first national debate with a weak track record in debates. He seems to do okay if not sabotaged by someone ruthlessly presenting facts:

Fortunately, Politico is co-hosting the debate so Perry shouldn’t have to worry about too many facts flying around.

As mentioned above, Perry is now the front runner and IMO, untouchable in the primary, despite the horse race mentality of the MSM. Tea Party voters take pride in misquoting The Treasure of Sierra Madre, “Facts? We don’t need no stinkin’ facts!” The relationship between Perry and Baggers is like puppy love, it’s all about your heart (or the darkest chunk of coal that has replaced it), not about your head. They’ll love him if he does well, they’ll love him if he stumbles, they will always be there for him, come what may…unless he starts to act reasonable, then they’ll quickly run him over with a pickup truck. Ah, young extremist love!

As this is Perry’s first debate, he’s not great at thinking on his feet and as front runner, when the target’s not on Obama, it will  be painted on him, I’d think Perry plays it lower key and just goes for the “I’m the guy you’d want to have a beer with…like that other Governor guy from Texas who ran for President…whatever happened with that?”.

He’ll likely stay on point as well, tax cuts and Obama-Bad! but I think he’ll try very hard to avoid any conflict or say anything that’s not rehearsed (he may have a good ol’ boy moment or two scripted and up his sleeve).

The rest of the candidates might as well get paid for their extra work and book their next gig on, “Titanic, Part 2”.

Lastly, the setting will no doubt lead to a GOP form of Tourette’s syndrome that will cause all the attendees to uncontrollably blurt out the word “Reagan” throughout the debate. Viewers should not be alarmed and are cautioned not to play a drinking game with that word because a plethora of alcohol poisoning cases occurred last time.

For those unfamiliar with Reagan Tourette’s, this insidious disease causes statements like these to be spoken, “I have to say that my hero on this and my role model was Ronald Reagan. I was just a young Reagan when I Reaganed for the first time. I remember Reaganing, ‘I’m really Reaganed, I get to Reagan Reagan and I’ll always Reagan this Reagan!”. It Reagan was the most Reagan in my entire Reagan.”

So, be all prepared for tonight’s GOP debate. Get your popcorn near the microwave, keep your computer close to the tv to join us live blogging and Tweeting and just so you don’t miss a moment, don’t forget to take a good Reagan before the debate begins!

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Kalima
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How the poor and hungry are treated in Texas.

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Miracle or mirage – what’s the truth about Rick Perry’s Texas?

Governor Rick Perry’s ‘economic miracle’ could take him to the White House. But for many, his state is a land of hunger and poverty – even for some of those who have a job

• John Turner: So why are so many Texans going hungry?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/sep/04/rick-perry-economic-mirage

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bito
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Heh, didn’t I read that in MB this morning, Kalima!

Kalima
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Hello bito. It was in MB, but I think from the 1st Sept. I don’t include many articles about the U.S. because it might be “old” news for most of you, but I do include stuff like this when I find it.

choicelady
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Sorry I missed you all during this. My home computer is entirely corrupted so I could not respond to the corruption I was watching on TV. My lord those people are angry! The thing I noticed is how little they seem to like the America PEOPLE. Back when I was 25 many years ago, they were already calling Social Security a false promise. It’s still here and entirely fixable to ensure solvency for years to come. This administration has held the growth of Medicare to 4% after years of double digit increases. And it can be made vastly more efficient with cuts to the added-on privatization.

I do hope Perry gets it, but I think Romney might outlast him. Romney may be more problem for the president, but frankly he’s got a lousy track record on every single thing he has done.

Where Obama is weak was revealed last night in the MSNBC turn to the woman from HP (who was amazingly supportive of the president) in the ‘fact check’ (pinched from Politifact without attribution – how HP of her)who said that the ARRA stimulus had created between 1.2 and 4.0 MILLION full time equivalent JOBS.

Where is that information? Why is that NOT trumpeted to the skies? We’ve all seen the charts – red Bush job loss rates plummeting, blue Obama job loss rates declining – but it’s never in the MSM or talking points on anything but maybe MSNBC.

Obama needs a cheering section with the verve and energy we have not yet seen. Someone needs to champion all he’s done, and done well, for all of us.

Anyway – sorry to miss you. AdLib – AMAZING snarky photos of the participants! Loved them all!

Khirad
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Khirad
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bito
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BorowitzReport Andy Borowitz
In the 1980’s, Ronald Reagan emptied the mental hospitals, and last night we saw the results.

Khirad
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escribacat
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😆 Hilarious.

AlphaBitch
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AlphaBitch

Thank, Khirad. I almost got green smoothie out my nose on that one! Too flippin’ funny. I see potential tee shirts……

Emerald1943
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Gotta’ sleep…must repair gray matter…must not have nightmares!

Good night all! I enjoyed it!

PatsyT
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Man O Man I am a bit heartbroken. I missed the whole thing. Boo Hooo How will I ever recover?

escribacat
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You saved yourself a headache, Patsy. Mine hasn’t gone away yet.

bito
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Patsy, you just saved 10 million brain cells and 20 IQ points.

I hope you and everyone is over the scare/trauma of today. Glad everyone is safe.

PatsyT
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Oh good, I am going to need those brain cells and IQ points.
I caught a few minutes of the build up on MSNBC
Could the talking head team get any more giddy?
What a hype machine.

bito
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Five takeaways from the Reagan Library debate
from the Reid report

I like Joy and she does a great job, but I think the Planeteers did fantastic!

http://blog.reidreport.com/2011/09/five-takeaways-from-the-reagan-library-debate/

SueInCa
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Good nite all, tomorrow night the adults take over.

bito
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Nite Sue.

Emerald1943
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Good night, sweet lady! It’s always so nice to talk with you! Sleep well! 🙂

SueInCa
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On Michelle Batshitcrazy’s min wage comment, apparently she does not read that bible she claims to go by……………..

The 9th Psalm verses 17-18 says:

The wicked bought a one way ticket to hell. For the needy shall not always be forgotten, nor the hope of the poor perish forever.

Emerald1943
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One more question for anyone hanging around…what did you all think of the questions?

kesmarn
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I thought the questions on the plight of the poor were appropriate, Em. And the rest were better than those really silly ones that (was it FOX?) put forth on the last debate. (Remember those “boxers-or-briefs” ones?)

Emerald1943
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Hi Kes! I didn’t watch the last one…just couldn’t bring myself to put myself through that. I have to admit that tonight was a little more entertaining than I expected. I did hear about the “boxers-or-briefs” though!

You have the most kind heart, kes! I would have guessed that those questions would be important to you! Always thinking about those less fortunate! 🙂 That’s what we love about you!

On the minimum wage, it is hard to believe that these people could be so hard-hearted! How cold!

Hope you’ll be around for the President’s speech tomorrow night! If so, I’ll see you then!

kesmarn
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Ha, Em, the family might debate you on that “kind-hearted” assessment, but I thank you regardless.

I’m scheduled for 3-11 today, so it’s not looking too good for me to catch the Prez’s speech. (Cross your fingers that maybe I get on-call?) I’ll have to catch up here when I get home.

And yes, on the minimum wage: if these people were actually capable of doing the math, they’d figure out that a minimum wage job pays about $290/week gross! Most of those candidates make more than that in an hour. They’re utterly out of touch with reality.

In so many ways. 👿

SueInCa
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William opened with a bang on Perry. I thought most of the questions I heard were quite good. Having Telemundo there was a good call.

bito
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I though the questions were quite good actually. I need to check some RW sites. Wanna bet they feel they were unfair–damn librul MSM.

Emerald1943
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I would generally agree. I don’t remember hearing any real softball questions. Brian Williams really started out giving Perry a pretty hard time.

SueInCa
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On President Obama:

“You are a remarkable leader,” in a private note to the President, with “remarkable” underlined
John Huntsman

Now – “We need a president to provide a little bit of leadership in getting some direction and opening up the opportunities.”

You are right Sabreen

Khirad
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Thus my lone pet theory he’s a plant. 😉

SueInCa
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Khirad
By which side? Dems, Reps or Rove and Co.

Emerald1943
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Are we going to be able to blog tomorrow night when President Obama gives his speech? I’m all for that. I like the exchange of ideas.

bito
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We will have one up Em!

Emerald1943
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Great, bito! Is the time going to be 9pm eastern?

bito
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From my email Em:

Tomorrow Night: Joint Address on Putting Americans Back to Work

President Barack Obama will address a joint session of Congress tomorrow night and lay out his plans for putting Americans back to work. You can tune-in to watch this speech on WhiteHouse.gov/Live.

Immediately following the President’s address, stay tuned for a live discussion with policy experts answering your questions on the President’s speech. You can submit your questions through WhiteHouse.gov, Facebook and Twitter.

Twitter: reply to @whitehouse using the hashtag #WHChat
Facebook: post your questions to our wall on Facebook.com/WhiteHouse
Or sumbit a question through a webform on WhiteHouse.gov

Emerald1943
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Oh thank you, bito! You are most accommodating! Sorry I have not checked my email tonight. What ever would we do around here without you? 🙂

Sabreen60
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Sabreen60
bito
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Thank you for posting this Sabreen!

SueInCa
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From that spreadsheet – Bachmann

On Wages:

“Literally, if we took away the minimum wage… we could potentially virtually wipe out unemployment completely because we would be able to offer jobs at whatever level.” *

Sure batshitcrazy woman, offer jobs at 1.65 and hour. I made that in highschool over 40 years ago.

KillgoreTrout
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HA! “potentially virtually?” I swear Bachman and Palin are sisters! Sisters of the Ya Ya Morons! 😉

bito
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Sue, that is the quote that caught my eye! 🙂 A buck sixty-five! I made it up to 2.10, but then I had to slice all the onions at the drive in! Hey CarHop!

It’s a bit like the “Texas Miracle” where they have the second highest rate of people going hungry. Hey they got jobs!

http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2011/09/hunger-in-texas-increases-late.html

SueInCa
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Bito I did too and 4.00 if I worked on the weekends as a cook. I lived off my tips.

Emerald1943
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And don’t forget…taking away minimum wage would help the poor! I can’t remember which one said it, but Ron Paul agreed. Yep, I can see how well that’s going to work!

kesmarn
Admin

That is excellent, Sabreen. Well organized.

ADONAI
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Obama’s ready for them. And boy are they giving him fuel for the fire.

Emerald1943
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I can’t wait for tomorrow night! This is going to be great!

The point was made by one of the talking heads that out of all those people up there on the stage, there was not ONE idea to create jobs…just the same tired old talking points. I surely didn’t hear anything new.

ADONAI
Member

Me neither Em. I think tomorrow will be a clear contrast.