Vox Populi, our weekly live chat about the week’s events, begins tonight at 7:00pm PDT. Hope to see you then!

AdLib3 days ago

First here…whoa! Well I shall just have to have a drink or two…..

MurphTheSurf3

3 days ago

Don’t forget to say hi or Trump on trial when you arrive.

AdLib3 days ago

Murph, two weeks in a row you win a cigar

AdLib3 days ago

How are things going with the KUNCE campaign?

AdLib3 days ago

Just by accidents….things I was at ended early….

MurphTheSurf3

3 days ago

Poor Trump. Looks like all of his attempts to stop. The trial have failed. Criminal defendant Trump on trial on Monday.

AdLib3 days ago

Depending on which Polling Operation you look to…it is either neck and neck or Hawley is up by 4 percent

MurphTheSurf3

3 days ago

do you think the Dobbs effect will cause more women to vote for KUNCE?

AdLib3 days ago

I keep saying that his base in badly informed, irrational in their argumentation, seething with anger, and dedicated to the ONE they look to for their salvation. That line could have been written in Germany or Italy in the late 30’s

MurphTheSurf3

3 days ago

I think this is very similar to 1930s Germany. It’s just so difficult to accept.

AdLib3 days ago

Not in terms of the economy, but in terms of a vulnerable and insecure section of the population, that is so easily dominated by using fear and hatred.

AdLib3 days ago

The Dobbs effect….I went to a learning group this past week where we were briefed on how we are going to approach the abortion issue. Here is a summary from the meeting about the ground we stand on….Abortion is completely banned with very limited exceptions. Abortion is because of a state law that went into effect June 24, 2022. Access was severely tightened post the SCOTUS decision. Moved very q uickly through the legislature. Missouri requires an “affirmative defense,” meaning a provider has to prove in court that an abortion met the criteria for a legal exception. The criteria for the defense are to prove the abortion is necessary to save the pregnant person’s life or to prevent serious risk to the pregnant person’s physical health. Doctors are very hesitant to get overly involved in these petitions for exemptions. The most they will do is release records that provide authentication of statements made by the persons seeking the exception. Any person who knowingly performs or induces an abortion of an unborn child in violation of this subsection shall be guilty of a class B felony, as well as subject to suspension or revocation of his or her professional license by his or her professional licensing board. FYI Missouri’s Medicaid program, called MO HealthNet, serves low-income and disabled citizens, and has long banned funding for abortion, with very limited exceptions. Planned Parenthood clinics primarily provide contraceptives, STI testing, cancer screenings and wellness checks but are under assault even for that. On the side: Republicans blocked three attempts to add rape, or incest to the exemptions. So, the bottom line is under Missouri law, abortion is illegal except in cases of a medical emergency when “a delay will create a serious risk of substantial and irreversible physical impairment of a major bodily function. The leader of the Republican Bloc, a state state senator, defended the decision saying, ‘God does not make mistakes. By the way Missouri Republicans were very motivate as they were unable to push a bill to bar Planned Parenthood from receiving Medicaid reimbursements to a vote.

MurphTheSurf3

3 days ago

Read to later if you like but it lays things out clearly. We were reminded that the reason the state government here is entirely GOP and the legislature is 80 percent GOP is the voters here agree with the stand being taken on abortion.

MurphTheSurf3

3 days ago

Chilling

MurphTheSurf3

3 days ago

if the assumption is that instead of trying to address, religious sensibilities, that what’s addressed is justice and equal rights. It’s also as strong approach where you’re not competing head to head on religious issues, which are of course, nonsensical, but emotional.

AdLib3 days ago

Good. angle.

MurphTheSurf3

3 days ago

of course, addressing the phrase, pro life can also be useful because we need to protect the lives of mothers as well. So while Trump is trying to propagandize why it’s good for the country, that part of the country treats, women like cattle, Dems should focus on pro life for moms.

AdLib3 days ago

The other thing we looked at was the “illegals voting” bugaboo. We were give copies of this article from the Brennan Center.

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/non-citizens-are-not-voting-here-are-facts

MurphTheSurf3

3 days ago

Hypocrisy is the norm for Republicans, so it’s kind of amusing that they’re phony organization to stop children from being able to read books and take books out of libraries was moms for liberty. How about some Mom’s for liberty of mom’s?

AdLib3 days ago

Ad…..the profile argument in an environment like the one we have here is that women, yes women, in large numbers will take the position that pro life has a hierarchy, and the unborn are at the top of the list. They come first. ‘Mothers give their lives for their kids all the time’ Or so they say.

MurphTheSurf3

3 days ago

it’s always a difficult proposition to address an intentional lie like illegal aliens voting. Should it be discussed to knock it down or does discussing it help continue it propagation?

AdLib3 days ago

You realize that the strategy of claiming illegals are voting is to implement a nationwide birth certificate, required threshold for Americans to vote to be a tool of voter suppression.

AdLib3 days ago

Ad….the thing is that the GOP argument (in many areas) is crafted to appeal to the core beliefs and emotional position of the top core. They accept what they already believe. It is hard to pierce that. Adding to the challenge; Dems are not nearly as devoted to their ideas, or their leaders. Voting is not the emotional experience that it has become on the right . The last time I saw that was during the Obama years. He brought it out.

MurphTheSurf3

3 days ago

Hi y’all. I see Murph answering but hiding in the weeds on the list. Howdy both of you.

choicelady

3 days ago

hi CL!

AdLib3 days ago

Hi, Ad!

choicelady

3 days ago

I agree. I have to regard every initiative by the right as an underhanded effort.

MurphTheSurf3

3 days ago

Murph – I agree with your assessment of the Dem sniffy disinterest in voting. We aren’t a cult, but we sure do think rationality is optional.

choicelady

3 days ago

And Trump and the Republicans want to have the Dems vote against their ridiculous and unjustified bill to prevent a crime. That’s already a crime. Once again, it’s just propaganda and political games.

AdLib3 days ago

Hi choice….if you run up the page you will see a long post from me that represents a workshop this week to address the approach to the abortion crisis. If you want just cut and paste it and read later. I also left a address to a interestinting.g report from the Brennan Center on “illegals” vo

MurphTheSurf3

3 days ago

I am trying to work around the legality of voting for a law that’s already a law.

choicelady

3 days ago

Thanks, Murph!

choicelady

3 days ago

BRB

AdLib3 days ago

Welcome

MurphTheSurf3

3 days ago

So what’s on tap via the campaign this weekend?

choicelady

3 days ago

I was sharing with Ad that the Kunce effort is either just a bit ahead or way behind depending on the polls you look to. It is hard work. The Democratic core voters are not engaged as we need them to be. The raw emotion from the right is hard to counteract

MurphTheSurf3

3 days ago

This weekend……we are continuing to organize to get that core engaged, committed and then out on the road.

MurphTheSurf3

3 days ago

Murph – of all the states, MO strikes me as being the least rational about good candidates. I am not saying this clearly, but it’s as if they have lost all hope and worse, the sense of their own power. Only the OH Dems are that bad in a northern area where they SHOULD dominate.

choicelady

3 days ago

Are you enjoying it?

choicelady

3 days ago

Hey, I’m back and TW should be joining us momentarily, he was having an issue signing in.

AdLib3 days ago

Choice – interesting insight…..I do question whether Mo is unusual among RED states….I think most of them are bat shit crazy.

MurphTheSurf3

3 days ago

Oh, no! Glad he’s coming along.

choicelady

3 days ago

Am I enjoying it……not like in the Obama years……after he left office and we got Trump every election has felt like a death march here

MurphTheSurf3

3 days ago

Murph – once you’ve determined Red states are batshit crazy, you probably don’t need to look any further. But that didn’t used to be true, esp. in Ohio. And through Claire, not even MO.

choicelady

3 days ago

Our weekly pow wow is a high point in each and ever week.

MurphTheSurf3

3 days ago

Murph – I feel it not in CA but in Twitter sadness. Yes.

choicelady

3 days ago

Murph – Dems do need to up their passion game on freedom, rights and democracy. The abortion issue needs to be powerfully argued as a matter of individual rights and how if we don’t stop what’s happening now, it is a slippery slope we are already plunging down, ending contraception, IVF, divorce, freedom to leave your state, it’s all happening right now.

AdLib3 days ago

CL…..correct but I lived here when the state government had a Dem Governor and half of the other offices. The legislature was dominated by the GOP but it was a more reasonable GOP and the Dem presence was stronger…what changed….hatred for the “N—–” in the White House. I think that was critical along with a developing Right Wing populist ideology.

MurphTheSurf3

3 days ago

The first step in trying to lower the level of insanity in Repubs in Red states is that Trump must lose in November. Then, all the other criminal trials will likely land him in prison and his hold over the MAGAs and GOP will disintegrate.

AdLib3 days ago

My problem – and I am well placed to push back – is the rancid emoprogs in CA. I was involved w very high ranking DSA people in the 70s, and my disdain is grounded in lifelong activism and proof of good politics. Hubs was THE guy everyone knew in 1968 – the editor at SF State who refused to shut down the student paper. LONG before I knew him I knew who he was. We have street cred. NOBODY can top me. And it’s still not enough to shut down the creeps who are looking for a Lefty autocrat.

choicelady

3 days ago

Ad….true…what people here do not get is that every “victory” for their befuddled cause is actually, in the long run, a loss for them as it further narrows freedom and liberty in mind and action.

MurphTheSurf3

3 days ago

Ad – I just do not get the antipathy to Obama. Never will. If there was anyone more engaging and kind than that man, damned if I know who.

choicelady

3 days ago

Choice….I understand your frustration….it mirrors mine own….from a different angle but just as passionate.

MurphTheSurf3

3 days ago

CL – Extremists are poison no matter which extreme they occupy. MAGAs and DSA fanatics, no difference in the hatred, obnoxiousness, and disrespect for anyone who believes even a tiny bit differently.

AdLib3 days ago

I just heard that Teen. legislature has passed legislation that allows teachers to carry concealed guns in school. Another example of how ugly, and demented the gun culture is.

MurphTheSurf3

3 days ago

Ad and Murph – I saw someone just post, “It’s a circle”. Not a horseshoe. Full closure. Extremism has met its own.

choicelady

3 days ago

Murph – The problem is that when people buy into Tribalism First, they disconnect their brain and no matter how their own tribe robs and abuses them, they can’t comprehend what’s really going on, they’re just mindless cultists believing the lies poured into their ears.

AdLib3 days ago

I lived in TN some years ago, and I substitute taught. The idea of any of those teachers being armed is…scary as shit.

choicelady

3 days ago

Ad such groups are more properly identified by their passionate, often unfounded, ideology rooted in their sense of loss and fear.

MurphTheSurf3

3 days ago

CL – I think the racist response to Obama being president is less about Obama as a person but as a symbol that white entitlement is no longer an absolute.

AdLib3 days ago

CL…I think they should let the kids conceal carry then….self defense….how about school bus drivers, the cafeteria and janitorial staff. Hell! arm them all. Shit!

MurphTheSurf3

3 days ago

Ad – I have Mayflower roots I’ve been told. I think diversity is good, so I can’t wrap my mind around NOT having it.

choicelady

3 days ago

Murph – Wild, wild Midwest!

choicelady

3 days ago

Murph – TN is now officially the most insane state. I saw the bill pass about teachers carrying guns but they just also passed a bill making chem trails illegal over TN skies…chem trails that don’t exist and are just part of Qanon delusions!

AdLib3 days ago