Ever since the disputed Iranian elections of 2009, I have believed that Ahmadinejad was fraudently elected. Why? Because that’s what I was told. Allegations of vote tampering were repeatedly asserted. There were protests on the street. The narrative seemed true. However, I have recently realised that, considering how the MSM media lied about Egypt, is lying about Wisconsin and has lied about nearly every important issue in the last decade or so, the narrative about the Iranian elections may also be false, or at least exaggerated.

Now, please don’t get me wrong. I do not in any way support the repressive Iranian regime. I’m just unsure as to whether Ahmadinejad was elected or not. To satisfy this truth craving I’ve recently been meandering through articles and essays concerning the 2009 election and its outcome. Through the course of this journey I have encountered very emotive arguments for and against the allegations of fraud, leaving me none the wiser as to who is actually correct. However, I also found this:

http://brillwebsite.com/writings/iran2009election.html

This incredibly in depth essay seems to objectively rebuke every allegation of fraud against Ahmadinejad and in favour of Mousavi. It provides logical and reasonable explanations, it points out misinformation and fallacies, it contains numbers that appear to add up. It is either a fantastic piece of investigative journalism, or the most brilliant piece of propaganda that I have ever seen. Either way I invite you to read it with an open, but vary wary, eye.

I still don’t know who won that election, but I’ll be dammed if I allow somebody else to make up my mind for me.

“Never assume the obvious is true.” ~  William Safire

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ghsts
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Caru keep your doubt as long as you can, in questioning all truths, all facts you may never fall victim to the hubris that destroys progress and enlightenment from both sides.

KQµårk 死神
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Well I know Gore won in 2000 but that didn’t seem to matter.

Khirad
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You’ll forgive me, but I’m just too tired to pull up all my 2009 resources or argue what I think is besides the point anyway – whoever won or not, the constitution of the Islamic Republic of Iran guarantees free association and free assembly in articles 26 and 27. There’s quite a few holes in Eric A. Brill’s piece, who is a writer, I should add, for the premier apologist site, Race For Iran. For those whom aren’t familiar with these American supporters of human rights violations: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/josh-shahryar/the-real-race-for-iran-hu_b_625225.html I, for the record, am agnostic. There is no way to prove… Read more »

ADONAI
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I just don’t think it really matters.

Once Iran nukes Israel, we’re all dead anyways.

Khirad
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Or the other way around.

By the way, here’s a whole other subject of which I think is being played up way too much and which I could let loose the links on, as well.

ADONAI
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Indeed

KillgoreTrout
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I don’t think that will ever happen. Because of the sheer stupidity of such an act. Assured mutual destruction is still a very valid principle.
Nuking Israel would mean the total destruction of Iran.
I know there are christian fundamentalists that would like nothing better. it would support their insane belief in Armageddon.

ADONAI
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I think you underestimate how much the people over there hate Israel.

KillgoreTrout
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Oh, I have no doubt about their hatred for Israel. But I don’t believe that hatred would lead them to suicide.

ADONAI
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They run into cafes with bombs strapped to their chests.

But you are most likely right. They just don’t seem THAT crazy.

Fingers crossed though!

JackRusselTerrier
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JackRusselTerrier

Do you know who really won the recent elections in The United States?

2ndClassCitizenPundit
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That depends on your definitions.

ADONAI
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The Republicans.

Plutocrats really suck
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Plutocrats really suck

Well, they tell us who won so it has to be true. 🙄

KB723
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KB723

JackRussel I KNOW who won and it wasn’t the Americans.

Hay Zeus Boodah
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Hay Zeus Boodah

Corporations….They always do !

Truth
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JackRussell, very pleased to see you!

jkkFL
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I went to AlJazeera to pick up their views on the election:

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2011/02/201122053957526278.html
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2009/06/2009613181040285185.html
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2009/06/200961111422655588.html
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/tehranbureau/2010/06/irans-rural-vote-and-election-fraud.html
I have added a brief comment from PBS..

I see no indication to accept the theory that the election was fair; and my reading these articles have not changed my mind.

St James
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St James

Perhaps the best lesson we can learn from this is to stay out of the
foreign revolution business.

PocketWatch
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StJ – I’m thinkin’ …. um…. yeah!

jkkFL
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Hmm.. you certainly have hit on a sensible idea..
Gonna take that to DC? 🙂

2ndClassCitizenPundit
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Oh, please, gods yes!

The best way to lead is by example. Let people observe how it works on their own, and they’ll do their best.

Of course, I’ve also been a big proponent of the “clean up your own backyard first”. And by “your”, I mean “our”.

PocketWatch
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I just flash-read the whole paper concerning the Iranian election. Whew! I smell a rat, and not necessarily on the side of the winner. Why has the loser insisted that a do-over take place while ALSO insisting that no serious fact-finding, or even cursory looks take place? Now, don’t get me wrong, I’m no fan of the current Iranian regime, but it appears that 62% of its people are. That’s what – it seems to me – the US and others are concerned about in Egypt and elsewhere these days. Just because WE don’t like a country’s regime and politics,… Read more »

Khirad
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Eric A. Brill is the consummate apologist. Such inconvenient facts are brushed aside. He also twists reality.

Who said they wanted no fact finding? And who says they’ve offered no evidence? LMAO! Like that evidence would be acknowledged if it were presented!!! It begs credulity.

I don’t care what the US policy on Iran is.

No political system can survive by relying on coercion, imposition, and guardianship, and only those governments that rely on the people can achieve stability.

The Islamic Republic is neither Islamic nor a republic; it is a military government.

– Grand Ayatollah Hossein-Ali Montazeri

PocketWatch
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Khirad, Since I don’t know enough to really have a certain (as in factually based) opinion, and know nothing of the players, I bow to someone that has more expertise. On the face of it, this guy makes a compelling argument. When faced with an article like this, it is nearly impossible to track down quotes, references, and the like. It would take days, and who’s to know if THOSE are valid or the complete set of facts? Which brings up another point… I contend that the US (or any governemt, for that matter) government’s foreign policies are generally driven… Read more »

ADONAI
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The people of Iran don’t seem to care for him. That woman didn’t get shot at a pro-Ahmadinejad rally.

And 85% is a pretty goddamn big total to win no matter where you are.

But maybe he is legit. Just too much circumstantial evidence going against it though.

Either way, he seems like a loudmouthed idiot.

Kalima
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Or that this was never said by Neda’s mother before the gathering of the dead on the 30th of July 09. ““You can’t blame young people for going out and wanting to feel free,” Neda Soltan’s mother Hajar said in interview published by the Australian broadcaster ABC. Hajar Soltan (translated): I want to thank politicians and leaders from every country at all levels who remembered my child. Her death has been so painful. Words can never describe my true feelings. But knowing that the world cried for her, that has comforted me. I am proud of her. The world sees… Read more »