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AdLib On October - 16 - 2013

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With what seems to be an impending deal in the Senate today to end the government shutdown and raise the debt ceiling (for a few months at least) and a total capitulation of The Republican-controlled House, it certainly seems that The Day of the Bagger is coming to an end.

This is a case study of giving people enough rope to hang themselves.

There are some people who should never be put in a position of power. They don’t have the wisdom, compassion or humility to wield power over others in any other way but a destructive one.  And that typically includes being self-destructive, often as has happened in this case, by abusing that power.

What is the Tea Party anyway? It is a conglomeration of racists and religious extremists from rural areas, low-info, Right Wing media addicts and a sprinkling of Ayn-Rand-fantasizing faux libertarians (who want government out of the lives of wealthy people and corporations and in the lives of the poor, minorities and women). They are self-funded and funded by wealthy plutocrats like the Koch brothers in an attempt to use these people they see as rubes to cement their plutocracy in place.

The energy of the Tea Party and the GOP though comes primarily from the most hateful and destructive people in that group. So when you have a lynch mob leading the party that’s leading one half of our legislature, it shouldn’t be surprising that our country ends up with a rope pulled tightly around its neck. That’s the only way they know to “negotiate” on race, equality, progress, etc. They can’t argue based on facts because the facts dispute their positions. They can’t use majority rule because they are unpopular with the majority of Americans. The way they win arguments is by self-righteously Hulking out and verbally or physically attacking their adversaries and winning through the use of force.

In this case, the adversary of the Tea Party was America itself. The nation refused to elect their Presidential nominee who would kill the ACA so they see America as being as much as an adversary as Democrats. You’re either with them or against them so in their hate-filled eyes, they see only enemies when they don’t see their views and themselves reflected back.

Governing based on hatred and spite is not sustainable in a democracy…especially when that hatred is aimed at the majority of voters. They may have become very sophisticated in the art of propaganda but that too can only be sustained so long. When people have personal experiences that refute propaganda, it destroys both the propaganda and the propagandists.

People now know first hand who shut down the government, who laid off their spouses from government jobs and who threatened destruction of the U.S. economy. They are learning more and more that the ACA is a good thing, that Obama hasn’t turned the country socialist and that the government doesn’t work with this GOP in power.

The spin has already started. MSNBC hack Luke Russert claims that this debacle actually made Boehner look good because he “stood strong” with the Tea Party and will fold only at the last minute. Huh? The rest of the nation sees a yellow tennis ball knocked around by waves and Russert sees a tennis ball that is a strong leader of the waves?

Ted Cruz said in an interview this morning that this was a big success for the GOP because no one believed the House could stand up like they did. Huh? So bank robbers who threaten to shoot innocent hostages if they aren’t allowed to rob the bank and get arrested by the police…are actually heroes because of the guts it takes to rob a bank even though they failed at it?

It would seem to be very difficult for the GOP to reverse the damage they have done to themselves in the eyes of the voting public by election day in 2014. What do they stand for aside from trying to damage our President and our nation? What policies do they promote aside from giving the wealthy more and the 99% less? How can their philosophy inspire people to flip their negative views of Repubs into positive support?

Their gerrymandered districts are all that stand between them and long term minority status but even so, there is enough resentment of Republicans now that if elections were held today, they would likely lose the House back to the Dems.

It is the important job of Democrats to nationalize the 2014 election. This latest failed extortion attempt must be hung around each and every Republican’s neck like belling a cat. That bell needs to be rung continuously through 2014 to remind voters that the election of their House Representative and Senators is a vote to support our nation or to threaten its stability and its future.

We may have witnessed the breaking of the back of the Tea Party through this disastrous attempt at national blackmail but to truly put them out of our misery, we need to keep the memory of this anti-American act alive and vibrant in the minds of all voters throughout next year.

Written by AdLib

My motto is, "It is better to have blogged and lost hours of your day, than never to have blogged at all."

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  1. Assumed Name says:

    Ad Lib,

    I agree whole-heartedly with your description if the far-right generally and the tea Party specifically. However, long memory isn’t a virtue of Americans generally…and the political distance between October 2013 to November 2014 is forever. The 24/7 corporate news will certainly hammer “a reading,” and in so doing construct history as desired. If only facts were facts and if only the truth were “whole and nothing but.” That all said, once again, I hope I’m wrong.


    • AdLib says:

      Assumed, I’m not really concerned about people forgetting about the Republicans being political terrorists. After all, Ted Cruz, Michele Bachmann and all the other Tea Party loons will be continuing all their lunacy through 2014. The state GOP primaries will whip up even more Tea Party madness.

      Voters won’t be able to escape all the reminders about the GOP shutting down government and threading the nation with their radical agenda.

      Still, we will need to work hard on voter registration and GOTV and Dems should all campaign against all Repubs as soldiers of the Tea Party, whether they openly support them or not, voting for them is voting for Tea Party control of the House.

  2. Haruko Haruhara says:

    Rememeber the line from the John Lennon song about “if you go around carrying pictures of Chairman Mao, you aren’t going to make it with anyone anyhow?”

    That can be applied to the Confederate flag. Dead giveaway. Don’t expect me to take you seriously if you go running around with a Confederate flag.

    • AdLib says:

      Hey Haruko!

      Especially if you carry a Confederate Flag in front of the WH. Hmm, wonder what exactly that message is? Not to mention the guy wearing sheets and carrying a noose.

      The thing about zealots is that they have what Kes described as Zero Insight, they have no awareness of how they’re perceived and in their delusions, they think a majority will come out of the woodwork to praise and follow them.

      The only thing that actually comes out of the woodwork is termites and they are remarkably similar to Baggers in many ways.

  3. Kalima says:

    They were in turmoil way before they passed the bill. You have to shake your head at the comments in this article after they lost. It’s almost amusing how they attack each other like packs of feral dogs. Idiots like Cruz who now blame Republican moderates in the Senate, is seriously off his TeaBugger rocker. What a truly pathetic bunch of losers but we knew that already.

    Kudos to your President for not giving in to their blackmail, and Obamacare stays unscathed. Ha!

    Eat that Cruz, Cantor, Lee and the rest of you degenerates.

    Break back Mountain??

    Republicans in turmoil as Congress passes bill to end debt crisis

    US debt default averted and federal shutdown over for now, after bill goes through with barely any concessions to hardliners



    Inside the GOP Surrender


    • AdLib says:

      Kalima, I am enjoying with a bit of amazement, the desperate spin of the Repubs over this devastating political loss. Ted Cruz greeting people at the national monuments he masterminded shutting down and Marco Rubio promising that they will yet succeed in repealing the ACA in the Spring after it’s operating and people see what a disaster it is (“Then after we repeal it, we’ll figure out how we can replace it.” So in the meantime, millions of Americans are left without insurance, denied due to pre-existing conditions and generally left to twist in the wind? That’s a Republican plan for health care?).

      The MSNBC and other news hacks claiming Boehner is a stronger leader now…after leading his “troops” into a real Waterloo (Sorry Jim DeMint, the ACA turned out to be your party’s Waterloo).

      Meanwhile, a huge majority of Americans disapprove of the Repubs and all of this face-saving will only cement that in.

      It’s all good right now, we’ve got the lunatics in retreat and warring amongst themselves. The 2016 GOP primary will be the most entertaining and satisfying tv in years!

      • Kalima says:

        I’m right with you about the fascination of watching them eat their own. They have spiraled so far out of control that they can’t stop the obvious from happening. They are going down, and I’m filled with wicked anticipation for watching them fall apart.

  4. It makes me sick to see a photo of our president smiling, along side of one of the most anti-American pricks in US history! What is there to smile about when our government is so broken? Would any decent person smile at a funeral? How do the families that have had a big chunk of their livelihoods taken feel about these game players. People who have played political games while they went without? How many jobs have been lost because congress has acted like spoiled children? It makes me sick!

    • AdLib says:

      KT, I see it as strength to be able to be diplomatic with those who you crushed and defeated in a major conflict that they initiated. Who looks powerful in such a picture and who looks small?

      The contrast is a great thing to remind the public about, here is a tolerant, principled President who rises above personal feelings to do what’s best for the nation and no matter how horrible the Repubs are, he won’t allow them to corrupt him. And beside him are the small, petty men who tried to blackmail him and all of the American people, forced to give up their insane crusade by this President.

      Rub it in their faces, smile at them Mr. President, they know what you and the nation are really thinking about them.

  5. Of course they made a last minute deal. That’s what our government does. They try to scare the shit out of we the people, while they play their insane games, then at the last minute, they do whatever it is to keep a catastrophe from happening. It’s a sick game they all play in a bid for power. This shit has to end and we the people deserve more of our REPRESENTITIVES!

    • AdLib says:

      KT, this is how the unethical act. They are willing to threaten the lives of everyone else to get what they want but at heart are cowards who live by the sword but aren’t willing to die by the sword. So, they wait till the last minute to take the gun away from the nation’s head to make sure they get all they can out of instilling fear.

      This was a very important loss for them, Obama was right, this had to be done and now that it has been, it has stripped the Baggers of a meaningful amount of power.

    • Nirek says:

      KT, I have to agree! The representatives are NOT doing the will of the people. They are NOT representing all the people just their owners. Politicians should NOT be for sale , but that is exactly what is happening now. They sell themselves to the highest bidder. It is unfortunate that some (most) of them are for sale.

      I think the problem lies in the fact that most of them are professional politicians. The founding fathers envisioned citizen legislators. Someone who took time away from his/her job to legislate and then return home. The professional politician just spends most of the time campaigning.

  6. choicelady says:


    Something massive is changing. Something GOOD is happening here!

  7. Questinia says:

    I’m sure it’s been said many times before but Ted Cruz looks an awful lot like Senator McCarthy from his eponymous “era”.

    • AdLib says:

      Q, I wonder if we might find some secret campaign funds from Ted Cruz having gone for plastic surgery to make him look like Joe McCarthy and buying brain implants from the George Wallace Foundation?

    • kesmarn says:

      He does indeed, Q.

      But I think he looks even more like Lou Costello, the clown:

      • Questinia says:

        I’m so embarrassed. I just googled McCarthy Cruz and the comparison has been made a million times.
        I’ll just crawl beneath my crossword puzzle now…

        I agree with choicelady on this one, kes. Lou Costello is too cute.

        • kesmarn says:

          c’lady and Q — would it help if I said that I heard that Lou Costello was not a very nice guy in real life? Hmmm… Didn’t think so… Still too cute. :-)

      • choicelady says:

        But Costello was cute. McCarthy? Not so much.

  8. kesmarn says:

    AdLib, this is just so totally on the money; it’s as though you set up a model of sanity next to a model of madness and then just stepped back to let the high-relief differences emerge in the bright light of truth. It really works.

    When this whole shutdown debate was going on, it occurred to me that in a high-stakes dialogue like this there are three things that you can communicate to the other person in the conversation; namely: (a) You must hold the same opinion that I do. (b) You may hold a differing opinion and you may express it and I will hear you out. (c) You must shut up.

    Teabaggers know how to say (a) and (c), but (b) totally escapes them. They give you only two options: Agree or shut up. So it’s impossible to have a real conversation with them.

    And that in turn means that their opinions are immutable. Because changing them would mean being open to something outside their own heads. So it doesn’t surprise me that they’re now trying to spin this as some sort of victory. What else can they do?

    To do anything else would be to admit that they were wrong. And they can’t do that. Because even though there’s no evidence to support the validity of their point of view, it has to be right.

    Just the way those polls that predicted a Romney win were right.

    So as you say, here’s a bunch of people who are impervious to reality, rationality and persuasion. In short: lunatics. And as the rest of the world has frantically been trying to tell us: you can’t trust lunatics with the financial well-being of the entire globe.

    This really does need to be changed in 2014. Because one of these days we may not be able to stop them from pulling the cord on the suicide vest, yanking the pin from the grenade and/or hitting that button labeled “nuclear option.”

    • AdLib says:

      Really appreciate the wonderful props, Kes. You really nailed them so incisively as well!

      They are indeed locked into that mentality you describe. “You either agree with me or shut the hell up!” They have paved over the reasoning center of their brain and built a shrine to Rush Limbaugh on top of it.

      As you say, they try to spin a massive defeat as a victory and look to each other’s nods for confirmation that they can all embrace this new lie and denial of reality.

      All the polls in 2012 that told them Obama would beat Romney were skewed because they didn’t tell them what they needed to hear so they actually set up an Unskewed Polls site to literally skew polling out of all reality to show the results they needed to believe.

      These are paranoid delusional people and given even a little power, look what they do, they’ve used it to try and blow up the US and world economy!

      We absolutely don’t want them in a position to declare wars or fire nuclear missiles (and to imagine how close we came in 2008 to Sarah Palin being one heartbeat away from being President!).

      Since you can’t reason with them and since they pose an ongoing danger to most Americans, they need to be removed from power ASAP and this latest terrorism by them should be all the ammo we need in the 2014 election to replace at least 17 Repubs with Dems.

      I’m sure going to dedicate myself to that!

  9. AdLib says:

    So funny, I checked out Red State and these deluded Baggers are trying to spin a massive loss for their party as a win!

    Under a title of, “Advancing. Ever Advancing.”, RW Bubble Boy Erick Erickson says:

    “…those of us who were in this fight against Obamacare, have been quite open that we knew there were side benefits. This fight would expose conservative activists to the frauds they have funded.”

    “…we always knew the fight would force the charlatans of the GOP out of the shadows into disinfecting sunlight. It has happened as I wrote it would almost a month ago.

    Now conservatives can keep advancing. They should not be disheartened.”

    “Ted Cruz and Mike Lee may not have been able to strike a death blow to Obamacare today, but they were able to fight a fight that would have been impossible before them. They have now made it less and less possible for Republicans to collaborate with Democrats to fix or stabilize Obamacare.”

    Of course, poor Bubble Boy Eric doesn’t have any plan for the future of the GOP if the ACA turns out to be liked by Americans…in fact, his whole strategy means that his fellow Baggers will become the big losers. And if there’s one think he knows, it’s being a loser.

    And here’s my favorite part:

    “As more Americans watch Obamacare fail them through the Republican primary season, conservatives will be able to put the focus on Republicans who funded Obamacare instead of fighting it. Whether they like it or not, Republicans in Congress will find their names on ballots in 2014. They cannot hide or escape fate.”

    So…in 2014, it will be Dems against Repubs and Repubs against Repubs.

    Could be worse!

  10. Greta42 says:

    Another excellent well-thought out posting, AdLib -- You’ve identified the problem group and described them to a T. One thing I would like to add is the co-operation of Eric Cantor in the changing of the rule about who could bring a bill up for discussion in the House and a vote -- He did this on Sept. 30th, the day before the ACA went into effect and 2 weeks before the debt ceiling deadline. The purpose was to prevent anyone else from being able to introduce a clean CR and vote on it.

    This sounds to me as though his actions need to be investigated and the rule struck down. Anyone who has legal knowledge of this, I’d appreciate hearing from you.

    • AdLib says:

      Thanks Greta42 and great to see you!

      Cantor was surely part of the Republican cabal in the House that made this outrageous change to prevent ALL House members from exercising a right to call for a vote on a Senate passed bill that has been in place without ever being blocked before.

      The problem is that The Constitution allows both the House and Senate to create their own rules of operation (there is no right to filibuster in the Constitution, The Senate created it themselves) so if an anti-democratic group takes power, if they can pass rule changes with a majority, those become the new rules.

      But a rule that takes away rights of the entire House and gives it solely to one member? Repubs should fight to reverse that law along with Dems or when the House changes hands (in 2014 I hope), where will that leave them?

  11. agrippa says:

    The hotheads are not done yet.
    They will continue to cause as much trouble as they can.
    I doubt if they have learned very much; they learning curve is fairly flat.

    • AdLib says:

      agrippa, from the desperate denialist comments already streaming out of the GOP, I think it’s clear that many Repubs will prove impervious to education (as they have in the past).

      They will continue their tantrums and attempts to damage the government and the non-white President that so upsets them but they have lost all pretense with the public of doing so for a good reason.

      • agrippa says:

        adlib,they are on a mission to save the country.

        “the worse, the better”

      • choicelady says:

        AdLib and Agrippa -- with 75 GOP votes FOR this measure, votes cast in the fact of threats from the Kochs etc., something very amazing is occurring. I figured on 18-21, but it’s at least 75!!!!

        Wow -- that strips power right out of the House GOP crazy.

  12. MurphTheSurf3 says:

    Ok…on to matters of substance.

    I went to a meeting yesterday at my Congressman’s office.

    On Martin Bashir this afternoon; Great comment from McKay Coppins from Buzzfeed- “Conservative Activists Don’t Really Care If They’re Hurting the Republican Party” on BuzzFeed

    The Republican Party is Now the Enemy….with every faction of the GOP regarding the Republican Brand Name as contrary to their own identity
    Tea Parties say the GOP is way too moderate
    Moderates think the Party has been overrun by Wacko Birds
    Libertarians think it is way too religious
    The Religious right thinks the GOP has abandoned its core values

    All operating in their own realities believed that they have to Conquer the Party to purify it and make it righteous and worthy to lead and govern

    Most say “I am a Conservative NOT a Republican.”

    Fits right in with what you offer here.

    • AdLib says:

      Hey Murph, as you accurately describe all these conflicting split personalities of the GOP, none of them sound fit to hold power in this country.

      It would be like allowing doctors who don’t believe in the Hippocratic Oath to operate on you. “First do no harm? I got a nest egg to build, if I gotta do harm to get where I want to be, so be it!”

      None of the motivations of these groups shows any sense of community or respect for the majority of Americans who don’t see the world as they do.

      With so many self-justified, intolerant groups locked in the same party with each other, it does seem that the internal war can only heat up as the party declines in power and support. These people who have no internal regulator to hold back their hatred are increasingly (and thankfully) turning on each other. That doesn’t mean they’ll stop attacking the rest of America or Obama, they’ve got a lot of hate to spread around, it does mean though that they will be damaging themselves as their swords cut both ways.

  13. MurphTheSurf3 says:

    Hello Ad Lib…

    Another terrific analysis. Why the HELL aren’t you at HP or Politico where your comments would get the kind of wide ranging exposure they deserve.

    Ok….I know, I know, I know…..but your comments are so good, so spot on, so pithy….that they deserve HUZZAHS and HURRAHS from a good sized crowd.

    So, I shall ask again, as a matter of courtesy, since you have already given me permission.

    My I take your post and edit it to meet the 450 word limit (they say its 500 but I find that the number does not quite work) and post it at HP (given name, site, and url credit of course)?

    • Kalima says:

      Tut Tut Murph. Would you cut out the “Ode to Joy” from Beethoven’s 9th symphony? 😉

      Btw, it might surprise you to learn how many people read The Planet but don’t comment here or become members.

      • kesmarn says:

        Quality beats quantity any day!

        And even if he tried to jump ship (and we know he wouldn’t) we Planeteers would go on a hunger strike until we got our AdLib back.

        We want to hang on to our founders! If any of them left it would be like Thomas Jefferson calling it quits and moving to Canada.

        • Kalima says:

          😆 We won’t be going anywhere without you, and why would we leave a place we created for comfy blogging anyway? Our sparing with ignorant people and trollers are over, that’s why we are here and not there. AH has made enough money from using people like us by deceiving members into thinking she was a Progressive. Thanks but “Hell No”.

    • AdLib says:

      Thanks, Murph!!! I don’t know if Politico can afford a private jet for me like the Planet.

      Absolutely Murph, as long as credit and a link are given, you sure can!

  14. choicelady says:

    Looking at commentary on MSM, I found a reference to the Tea Party’s embrace of “nullification”, the John C. Calhoun ante-bellum belief that minorities should be allowed to “nullify” laws they do not like. In Calhoun’s case it was anti-slavery concerns. It supposes that the will of the individual or small group should be allowed to transcend the will of the majority.

    That tension has existed for centuries in the colonies then the U.S. No one would dispute that when Roger Williams and Anne Hutchinson decided they were ‘true light’ believers who lay outside Congregationalist predestination dicta, that they should have the right to practice what they believe. They were ejected from MA Bay Colony and created Rhode Island that from its inception was religiously diverse, opening the first Synagogue in America.

    The difference between practitioners of conscience and those believing in nullification has everything to do with upon whom that ‘nullification’ falls. If it is your choice for your own self, it’s fully in keeping with the Constitution. If it is your choice imposed on others, if it flouts the laws decided via elected or electoral process and that lets you keep imposing on others, then it’s not Constitutional.

    The Baggers who believe they should be allowed to nullify things such as ACA want this not just for themselves -- and they actually already have the right to stay out of the Exchanges -- but to impose that nullification on whole bodies of people in the states where Baggers run things. No use saying they’re doing this ‘for the good of the people’ because the people don’t get a voice here.

    It was horrid when Calhoun asserted that an entire region should be able to imprison Black people as private property, and it’s horrid today that the Tea Party demands the overthrow of democracy so their Dominionist/Libertarian views become the rule EVEN IF no one else wants them, EVEN IF no one wishes a theocracy, EVEN IF no one else wants government help in times of need to end.

    Those who pretend to know better than anyone else how things should be are not entitled to nullification of how the majority see the world. They may live by their own lights for themselves. They may NOT impose their views on the rest of us.

    That is what Americans are now waking up to about the Tea Party. They are not rugged individualists at all. They are dictatorial in their demands and goals. That is why the Tea Party and its host the GOP are now at the nation’s all time low in support. We don’t want them. At all.

    • kesmarn says:

      In a long history of wonderful comments, c’lady, I think this and the one below rank among your best. What a great contribution.

      • choicelady says:

        Thank you, dear kes!

        It’s up to EIGHTY SEVEN GOP FOR YES

        Something is going on. Wow.

        • kesmarn says:

          c’lady, they seem to be at a moment of rejection of the extremist element. This is from Peter King:

          “I think it’s important for Republican leaders around the country to speak out against him and neutralize him,” King said of Cruz. “Otherwise he’s going to start the same nonsense again in December or January. He’s the guy that caused this, he’s the guy who is a fraud because he never had a strategy to begin with. And if we let him do it again, it’s our fault.”


          • choicelady says:

            However awful King can be, he’s been a breath of fresh air on the Dominionist nutjobs.

            Did you see that following the vote one of the House stenographers went bonkers and seized the microphone ranting about how God cannot be denied, this is not a God-led nation or the Constitution would not have been written by Masons -- she obviously has been captured by the very forces King despises.

            How terribly sad. That is why King is correct -- these extremists are exerting a horrible influence on too many people!

            • AdLib says:

              CL, this is Exhibit 1 in displaying how crazed Dominionists and/or Fundamentalists infest many parts of our society.

              They must be flushed out and kept away from government and any positions of power.

            • kesmarn says:

              c’lady I did not see that story about the stenographer. Positively creepy!

              They’re getting to be more and more overt about getting their warped message out there. Ah well…makes them easier to identify when they’re no longer in stealth mode…

    • AdLib says:

      Fantastic comment, CL!

      Nullification is of course a rejection of democracy…that and the law are what they seek to nullify. In the end, it is not a solution unto itself. When it has been used, as in court cases like the OJ case, it solves nothing and only increases the resentment of opposing parties.

      There is a reason tribes formed into societies and built laws and governments, to protect the welfare of the many. Sometimes that included wars and other horrendous things but generally speaking, a function society runs on the concept that what’s best for the many outweighs what’s best for the few.

      To see nullification used to harm the many to benefit the agenda or income of the few is a travesty and is the antithesis of what is required for a society to work. The small mindedness, the selfishness, the blatant dishonesty that these Repubs have displayed in all it’s ugliness can’t be unseen or forgotten. The majority in this nation has turned a big corner on these destructive people and I am more optimistic than ever that Dems will take back all the reigns of government, including the House, in 2014.

      As long as we don’t let anyone forget this and work hard at GOTV!

      • choicelady says:

        Nullification is a subject taught at Regent U. Law School, famously Pat Robertson’s university, home to John Ashcroft and others. Their emphasis on nullification comes from the refusal to believe that precedent really establishes the law, that even the Constitution can be thwarted if they do not like it. I heard one of their faculty arguing in federal court who read precedent after precedent that went AGAINST his clients declaring, “Clearly THIS is wrong” over and over and over.

        Nullification boils down to a belief even your granny would not accept that ‘saying so does TOO make it so ’cause I said so!” Like THAT wouldn’t get you a thump on the noggin from your grandmother…

        That is what we need to provide -- good sense we all value. All this distortion of law, of fact, of philosophy about what America is or is not needs a good thump on the noggin. No brutality -- just a smart reminder that we do have “common good” values here that for the most part have held us together or that we had to fight to assure. AND that you do NOT rule the world.

        If you cannot use the laws -- as the Civil Rights movement so wisely did -- to the betterment of all people, it’s no freaking use to pretend they don’t exist, that they are wrong, that you are exempt from them, and that you have the singular right to overturn the entire system because you cannot overturn the laws.

        We are not a Christian nation. Private property is not even IN the Constitution. You do not have the right to opt out of our democratic processes when you’re an elected official. You don’t have the right to your own law, your own facts, your own superiority.

        Nullification is a total fiction. Don’t like it? Move on.

        • AdLib says:

          CL, of course the power hungry, the greedy, the ignorant and narrow-minded champion nullification because as you say, it’s the “philosophy” of changing the way things are into the way they want them to be…without being held back by democracy, facts or what’s fair.

          Only those at the edges of American society would grasp for this because the rest of us know we have the opportunity of changing things because we can get a majority agreeing with us.

          What the Dominionists and Pat Robertson types imagine about this being a Christian nation has nothing to do with any of Jesus’ teachings. Their core beliefs of wanting to take power and make themselves wealthier while oppressing the poor and those they deem as inferior are the opposite of what Jesus spoke of.

          Christians should be coming down hard on all these false prophets who use their religion like a scam, to advance their prejudices and self-interests.

          Meanwhile, this massive example of the Tea Party trying to use extortion and nullification to accomplish the goals a majority of Americans don’t support has harmed their ability to get away with it in the future. Their cover of “financial responsibility” has been blown big time, especially after costing the nation over $20 billion through this shutdown…for nothing!

          If you ask me, the Dems should insist in the budget negotiations that taxes be raised to cover the billions the GOP has added to the deficit.

          • choicelady says:

            That can be a good strategy for the national budget, but they have done horrific harm to the PRIVATE sector -- businesses and even their supporters.

            The willingness of any person to see all others as ‘collateral damage’ and to dismiss them is sheer evil. To do that you deny the fundamental humanity of others.

            You are perfectly free to sacrifice yourself. You are NOT free to sacrifice others to your ideology.

            They can never make whole those whom they have harmed. It makes a mockery of their pretense at caring about “the people”.

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