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AdLib On March - 6 - 2012

The demolition derby that is the GOP Presidential primary reaches a pivotal point tonight, Mitt Romney may once again be the inevitable candidate…which is of course oxymoronic (emphasis on the “moronic”).

Can Rick Santorum pull out victories in Ohio and Tennessee (are there that many people who believe that the sun revolves around the Earth?)?

Will Newt win big in Georgia (actually, from the looks of his physique, he apparently won “big” a long time ago)?

Join us tonight for a live blog of the night’s results. Polls begin closing at 5:00 pm PST/8:00 pm EST. Feel free to blog about the primary in the meantime. See you then!

Written by AdLib

My motto is, "It is better to have blogged and lost hours of your day, than never to have blogged at all."

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  1. SallyT says:

    Regardless PolitiFact, President Obama got more votes than any of the Repubs candidates. These votes show that people will come out to vote for the President even when the vote is just symbolic. I hope they will do it again come November when those votes will really count! I think this is a good sign! :)


    • I heard that it was a classic misspeak but politifact makes it a big deal but when Ryan lies and calls the country mostly conservative they call it a half-truth. We have to understand that the St. Pete Times is a right wing paper.

      • SallyT says:

        KQ, they are JERKS! Yes it was a “misspeak” but Axelrod was the bigger person. Did you see the note at the bottom of the article? It says:

        UPDATE: Shortly after we posted the item, Axelrod tweeted to take responsibility for his error: “Guilty as charged! I misspoke during an interview last night and PolitiFact rightly called me on it..”

        Jerks! But, Obama still got the most votes!!!!

        • Yup Exactly! I think the other thing Axelrod had rolling around in his head was that Obama got more than Romney and Santorum got combined in 2008 when it was a contested primary. He got over a million votes back then even though he lost to Hillary.

          The point was enthusiasm for Obama and the president is much higher than that for the GOP candidates. Believe me if a Repug made that statement poltifact would call it half true. Worse they would never correct the error like Axelrod did.

  2. AdLib says:

    This was a real bulls eye:

    Obama aide: Romney couldn’t face Limbaugh, how will he face Iran?


    • SueInCa says:

      Hey I said that a few days ago…..

    • Khirad says:

      Indeed, and Chris Matthews had one of his moments of lucidity when he said a couple days ago that Romney has no fear of getting us into another war, which of course none of his children will fight in, but does fear taking a stand against anything that will affect his own ambition.

      Mitt, thy name is Coward.

  3. choicelady says:

    The loss by Kucinich may help make an essential point about the place of progressive politics in America. Dennis used to be the blue collar advocate, the man who championed really good causes. Whatever happened to him, he took a turn that many have taken to supporting wacko ideas that have no bearing on or are inimical to the fortunes of the working families of America.

    When I worked with the single payer folks in CA, all was well until President Obama’s health reform. The snarling disagreements went so far as to demand it be abolished and that we wait and get a GOOD program of single payer. Some of this came from physicians who were perfectly happy to let the uninsured STAY uninsured. That was beyond my ability to take it in -- you’d let people DIE just to get ideological purity????? Hippocrates is spinning.

    When Cynthia McKinney embraced Khaddafi, Kucinich defends Assad, the left calls -- without clarity -- for bringing down capitalism, when white privileged people disdain blue collar workers and their work, when environmentalists call for shutting rather than greening industrial plants, when white people tell Black people to ‘get over being Black’, when urbaniste yuppies laugh at farmers and sneer at anyone of faith, the put a stake in the heart of the progressive movement.

    I believe America is almost always a center-Left country. It moves right if and only if those in the center feel utterly abandoned by their government, by Dems, by liberals and certainly by progressives. The work by progressives is to keep our collective eyes on human impacts of all we do, keep a promise not to sacrifice anyone to our cause but be mindful of consequences and help people through hard change. We need to stop being snobs, snots, elitists, and dumb.

    Progress comes when we build it together, not when we impose it from a few. Progress means being inclusive and listening to the fears of change people have. It doesn’t make them stupid or conservative. It means they are simply scared of what they do not yet understand. Progressives also have to stop grandstanding. Who in their right mind defends brutal dictators? The Right does it with impunity. The Left better damn well NOT.

    So the Progressive Caucus is now down by one member. I’d dispute Dennis was still progressive as opposed to just egocentric and outrageous lately, but still -- read voters’ lips, progressives. No more extremism. Progressive should mean we care about one another. If our policies don’t include having progressive value for others, then our position is just a pose, not real, and it deserves to die. The rest of us will carry on even if you think we sold out. Ideological purity never won anything. Hard work and cooperation with diverse others does -- every single time.

    • lalalu says:

      Excellent post. You stated what I have been thinking and voicing so many times. Often I have been put down for saying it which was a bit mind blowing. Some of the same people putting me down are the so called progressives who in the past supported Reagan. I remember them telling me I needed to change and they put me down for NOT supporting Reagan.

      Many like Kucinich became ineffective for the reasons you stated. It seemed they became content to make speeches and then walk away from the gritty work that had to be done. Work that sometimes involved compromise and slow change. I can only imagine if they had been around in the sixties. I guess they wouldn’t have supported the original Civil Rights Act because it didn’t include everything they wanted all at once.

      I am also impatient for change and progression but I also have spent time talking to people, real people. I sometimes find the rightwing and self destructive views of too many Americans to be frightening. They actually believe in and support things that are against their own best interest. We have people in this country who depend on social security and yet vote for candidates who openly state they want to end social security. Fighting that type of mindset is not easy and yet people like Kucinich thought all it took was his talking about his ideology. Many progressives in congress are also living in a bubble. Time for them to do what they use to do best. Get back out here and connect with real people.

    • Many great points CL per usual.

      Kucinich like too many progressives forget there roots like being an advocate for workers and especially focusing on their constituents. When Kucinich became a progressive media darling it was all over for him. His views became more polarized and controversial because he was no longer working for his constituents and instead he was playing to his outrage loving progressive media fans. The same thing happened to a lesser degree with Grayson and Feingold. They start believing they can do no wrong because after all they were part of the progressive group thinking echo chamber who are so smug. Then they not only tune out moderates but start calling moderates part of the problem alienating them completely. Unfortunately for them moderates make up most of the electorate even in most of their districts. The right wing can get away with that in some gerrymandered districts but once progressives go too far left they are gone.

      Kucinich first almost lost me when he said he was going to vote against the ACA but he did the right thing even if for the wrong reason. I mean his old district more than most will benefit from the ACA just by so many people being eligible for Medicaid. Then of course he totally lost me when he said he wanted to impeach Obama over Libya. To me our treaty with the UN security counsel precedes even our law especially when you have a congress that is so constipated that it cannot even hold a vote for a limited military role. Congress never declared war against Korea because it was a UN action FFS. And Kucinich was going to impeach Obama over it. That was the last straw.

    • escribacat says:

      Another great post, Choicelady. Sadly, I see almost as much narrow-minded bigotry on the left fringe as I do on the right fringe. The fringers can’t handle democracy, which is the art of compromise.

  4. SueInCa says:

    Darn where is Kes? I wanted to congratulate her on Marcy Kaptur win. I know she was fond of her. Hope all is going well over here. Been on twitter sporadically but dealing with a serious family illness right now. Trying to keep up with the race but perhaps it is better this way my flat screen is not in jeopardy everytime the clown car says something untrue about President Obama/

    And yes, lazy effing MSM it is President Obama not Mr Obama you lazy ass trolls.

    • Khirad says:

      It’s perfectly acceptable, actually. Remember how many times the news referred to Mr. Bush?

      I know they hate showing him any respect, but the weasels have found a way out on this one.

      Technically it is Mister President in informal address, but Mr. Obama is also correct.

      Just saying, fair is fair. I rarely ever wrote out President Bush. Bush II was just easier.

    • lalalu says:

      It is truly Freudian when they refuse to call him President Obama.

    • kesmarn says:

      BFF! I was being held captive by sick people!! They wouldn’t let me go!!

      As you can see below, I thought Marcy had lost! And then to come home and discover she’d WON!! I am beyond thrilled.

      But not so thrilled that I failed to notice you said “serious family illness” there. I hope things are going a little better now? If they would be welcome, prayers will be sent in your direction, BFF. Keep us posted.

      • I don’t want to pile on too much but Kucinich ended up being more of a thorn than a rose with some of his ideological stubbornness. He did’t vote for the climate change bill and other legislation because it was not progressive enough. It was hard enough for Dems to pass legislation with the party of no let alone someone from your own party fragging it.

      • SueInCa says:

        prayers are welcome. The nurses in our ICU are not anywhere as good or as nice as you would be. Can you come out and take care of my father-in-law? I am afraid things don’t look too good but we shall see tomorrow. Sometimes things turn out completely different than what is predicted. Thanks for caring.

        • escribacat says:

          Sending good thoughts your way, Sue.

          • SueInCa says:

            Thanks Cat. We are still watching and waiting to see how it all turns out but today we were told the chance of survival is slim slim slim

            • choicelady says:

              Oh honey -- I am SO sorry! I wrote offline, so let me know what I can do -- grocery shopping, errands, hard liquor? I’m not that far away, and I’ll be glad to help where I can. Love and hugs getting through this. I AM sorry this is happening to you and your family.

        • Kalima says:

          Hello Sue, so sorry to read about the illness in your family. All I can send you from here are healing thoughts and my prayers. I hope that the situation will improve. Take care of yourself, you and your family are in my thoughts.

          • SueInCa says:

            Thanks Kalima. We will find out today how it will go. It has been a bit of a shock to us all as he has always been healthy. It makes me take a second look at my own mother’s mortality.

        • Sorry to hear that too Sue. But I know he’s in good hands with you and your family. I’m sending up those positive vibes as well.

        • kesmarn says:

          You’ve most definitely got the prayers, BFF, and my gratitude for your kind words. I sure wish I could come out there and take care of your dear FIL.

          Your poor hubby. This has to be hard on him, too. I hope his dad surprises the doctors. It does happen sometimes.

        • AdLib says:

          Very sorry to hear this, Sue. Sending all my positive thoughts to you and your family.

      • Khirad says:

        A win for Kaptur is a loss for al-Assad as far as I’m concerned. This makes it even easier to beat Joe the not Real Plumber as far as I’m concerned, as well.

        • escribacat says:

          I’m amazed this knucklehead would cozy up to such a murderous dictator.

        • kesmarn says:

          I agree. Kucinich would have looked small, elderly and spacey next to the beefy and solidly blue-collar looking Wurzelbacher. I think Joe might have won, to be frank!

          But Kaptur is super-smart and never, ever lets herself get baited into saying stupid things or losing her temper. She does well in debates, because she’s calm but not wimpy.

          • Khirad says:

            That was what I left unsaid Kes, because it was my impression, but I wasn’t sure it was the right one.

            I think, though Wurzelbacher is a loon himself, that he could have played against Kucinich’s persona.

            Kaptur takes that away from him, and yes, I’ve seen her debate, maybe from your links in the past -- or just C-Span, and she is efficient. That’s the word I’d use to describe her debating skill.

        • SueInCa says:

          Can I ask who al-Assad is?

          • Khirad says:

            The guy responsible for 7,500 (when they stopped counting, prolly closer to 10,000) of his own citizens’ lives so far in Syria.

            Kucinich tried defending him.

            I’d forgiven his eccentricities before then, but he was dead to me at that point.

            • choicelady says:

              Seriously? Kucinich said THAT? Wow -- he’s turned a very dark corner. Huge loss, IMHO -- he used to be amazingly wonderful.

              Glad he lost.

            • SueInCa says:

              Oh jesus of course. I heard Todd the wimp on MSnbc today lamenting the genocide going on and felt like saying where were you on Darfur? I don’t get it No matter where people are being wiped out is a crime against humanity but it seems our world is always a day late and a dollar short in responding.

          • kesmarn says:

            He’s the head honcho in Syria, BFF. And Marcy castigated Kucinich for “shaking the bloody hand of Assad.” He is not a nice guy!

            • SueInCa says:

              Thanks BFF I do know that one. Not thinking real straight I thought he might be referring to someone in Ohio I was not aware of.

  5. Chernynkaya says:

    OK, NBC calling it for Romney, “Apparently” they said.

    • SueInCa says:

      Rachel Maddow: GOP Primary Like ‘Watching A Drunk Try To Get Their Key In The Door’

      Headline over at Achpee A O yell. Reading it made me laugh out loud. I can just see Repubs like drunken bums trying to beat each other in the crawl to the convention. Hey Sweatervest you get the key in the lock yet? No it just won’t fit.

    • AdLib says:

      In any case, Romney spends a fortune against a fruitcake and barely wins…he’ll call it a win but it only points out his weakness.

      • Romney is lucky Gingrich is so arrogant. I heard all the Gingrich campaign spent on Super Tuesday with ads was a little over $21,000 and his billionaire spent over $4 million. Without him in the race Santorum would have taken Super Tuesday 6-4.

      • Chernynkaya says:

        From looking around the web, nobody is saying this was a real win for Romney. In fact, it’s devastating. heh.

        • AdLib says:

          A low ringing in one’s ears endorsement, would you say?

          • Chernynkaya says:

            David Axelrod: “Mitt squeaks by in Ohio behind a blizzard of negative ads, once again persuading a bare plurality that he is not as bad as the other guy.” OK, it’s Axelrod, but really, the consensus is what you and others have been saying: How can Mitt beat Obama if he can’t decisively beat junior varsity?

  6. funksands says:

    Another piece of Ohio news: Jean Schmidt lost tonight in her primary. :-) She was truly an awful person.

  7. Chernynkaya says:

    Kuchinich lost and I see that he’s refusing to congratulate Kaptur; he says she ran a campagin “that was utterly lacking in integrity.”

    • lalalu says:

      I never completely agreed with Kucinich 100% but he did have some good ideas many years ago. I don’t know what happened to him but in recent years I lost a lot of respect for him. It seems he had a hard time recognizing who his real enemies were. He started attacking anyone who didn’t agree with him 100%. Pretty sad because there was a time I thought he had a chance to make a positive impact.

      I guess with the passing of Ted Kennedy the days of liberals knowing how to fight and win small but significant victories is gone. He wasn’t a perfect man but he got a lot done and I miss him.

      • SallyT says:

        Kucinich had some time in the sun way back there but he stayed to long and his brain apparently fried. Oh well, he still has his trophy wife to keep him company and dry his tears. (If she stays now…..)
        Ted Kennedy is missed by me, too, Lalalu. Especially during all this war on women issues. He did fight to help us often.

    • kesmarn says:

      That’s ridiculous, Cher…not you, of course! But the statement by Kucinich.

      His people ran an ad that called her a liar for saying that she still lived in the house she grew up in. (They maintained that she lived in “a fancy condo” in Washington.) WELL SHE DOES! When she’s here in town, she stays in the modest home she grew up in, in a blue collar area of town. Yes she does have a place (a condo) in DC. What Congressperson doesn’t?? Is she supposed to sleep on a cot in her office or rent a hotel room every time Congress is in session?

      She has turned down pay increases in the past (or turned them over to charity), drives an older car and lives modestly. If anyone was stretching the truth, it was the Kucinich people.

      But truly the worst candidate in the bunch was a guy named Graham Veysey. He ran against them both on what I called the “I hate old people” platform. He had about 3 minutes of canned rhetoric on how ancient both Kaptur and Kucinich were. (Has he ever read that seniority is actually an advantage in Congress?) And that DC needed his “fresh face.” It was all about the deficit and how this was the primary problem we faced as a nation. He just kept saying the same sound bites over and over again. I swear he was a 29 year old teabagger plant. No actual idea ever came out of his fresh face. One debate was all I could stand of him. He apparently has never held a real job.

      • Chernynkaya says:

        Oh hey, kes! I’m very glad Kaptur won, although probably not a thrilled as you, just because I’m not in Ohio. I was so rooting for her. And the fact that she will be running against Joe the Plunger in the general is icing on the cake. I am not at all sure that Kuchinich could win against that turd. In a funny way the Kaptur/Wertzlebacher race is a microcosm of the Presidential race: a towering redwood against a weed. It’s an insult to her that she even needs to deign to debate him. But good for us!

    • AdLib says:

      Well, after Kucinich’s fragging of Obama, he is hardly in a position to accuse another Dem of that.

      • Chernynkaya says:

        Seriously. How small of him--figuratively and literally.

        • AdLib says:

          I guess his mindset is, “Only I get to take on another Dem!”

          • Chernynkaya says:

            Guess who the Repub is who Kaptur is running against now: Joe the Plumber!

            • And he’s not even a real plumber!

            • SueInCa says:

              Cher you been hanging out with the Latino relatives? That is a joke we have. It is either

              I know, huh or
              Member? You remember right?

              It was so funny for us to hear George Lopez say those things. My husband’s cousins talk like that all the time. Of course they are the ones his dad would not let him hang around with until he left home. LOL

            • Chernynkaya says:

              Sue, I know, right? HAH.

            • SueInCa says:

              OMG that is like me running against President Obama

            • SallyT says:

              Well, AdLib, I have never known a plumber to show up on time and when he does, it won’t be done until tomorrow. Leaves you with your water shut off. She just has to know where the main is and she can flush him down real fast and “there goes trouble down the drain, Roto Rooter!”

            • AdLib says:

              Oh, that would be so entertaining, I want to see those debates!!!

    • choicelady says:

      I saw Kaptur won -- and her working family credentials are impeccable. I wish she were more prochoice (she excoriated Rush on contraception NOT just his despicable behavior) but I will live with it. She did vote for health care reform and accepted the reality that the Hyde Amendment removed all doubts about abortion. That aside, she’s extremely solid.

      So hats off to kes who wanted Kaptur!!! I hope when she gets home tonight, it will be a GREAT evening of rest and happiness!

      I cannot believe Dennis is so petty that he’d not even congratulate Kaptur. I used to like him, met him once at the CA Dem Convention, and I’m sorry he’s turned out to be such a lemon sucker.

      • kesmarn says:

        Oh,c’lady!!! I just got home from work and turned to the Planet for news. I was so bummed at work because the only news I had was a brief glimpse at one patient’s TV ad the crawl showed Kucinich in the lead at that point!

        I was appalled. On the way home I could only think of what a tremendous loss to Congress this was — of a brilliant mind, an original and principled thinker, and a kind woman.

        So -- gasp! — to get home and discover she’d won! What a gift. And even on the abortion issue, I sense she really respects dissenting views. If I might presume to speak for her, I think she actually does believe that abortion is wrong except to preserve the life/health of the mother. That’s her personal belief. But there’s an active and open abortion clinic in Toledo and I’ve never heard her say a negative word about it or make the slightest move to interfere with its operation. Maybe I’m giving her too much credit, but she has done such an amazing amount of good for this area that she is truly beloved. The unions love her. The Muslin community loves her. The local NAACP gave her a strong endorsement. And on and on. There have been elections in which she’s gotten 70% of the vote.

        I SO did not want to lose her. Even though I have been gerrymandered out of her district. If someone had to go, I’m relieved it was Kucinich. He’s had his good moments. But right now he’s too much of a space cadet to go up against Joe the Plumber.

        • choicelady says:

          I know, kes (see Sue and Cher above- we ALL do it!) and was so happy for YOU because you like her so much!

          There are anti-abortion zealots who basically hate women, even when they are women, and there are pro-life people who honestly believe in the sanctity of life, womb to tomb. She is the latter. I can live with that because it is also a version of pro-women views. She does NOT believe when you’re born the warranty on your value runs out. Her compassion for all people is real, and her support for revitalizing manufacturing is very important to our future.

          GLAD she won, and even more glad you came home to such GOOD news! We live vicariously through you, good friend!

        • SallyT says:

          I’m glad your night ended well for you, Kes!

          • kesmarn says:

            I just can’t tell you how elated I am, Sally. Now you all have to fill me in on how the rest of the states went.

            Did Romney definitely win Ohio or is it still too close to call? What about elsewhere?

            • kesmarn says:

              Thanks, Sally! Pretty much as predicted. Although I thought Santorum just might take Ohio. Maybe we don’t have as many RW religious fanatics here as I thought.

            • SallyT says:

              Kes, it went like this:

              Romney-OH, VA, VT, MA, ID
              Santorum-OK, TN, ND

              Alaska is still out in the snow.

      • Chernynkaya says:

        I love that “lemon sucker,” C’Lady. Yeah, I’ll take a moderate and pragmatic Dem over an ideologue any day.

  8. Chernynkaya says:

    As I think about it--election fun aside--it’s really truly horrific that Santorum has so many people who think he’s worthy of anything but derision. I mean, my god, the man is a zealot, a homophobe, a misogynist and overall hater. I know he can’t win the general, but it is awfully troubling how many maniacs there are.

    • AdLib says:

      True Cher but these are also the same people who are racists, Baggers and all nature of messed up people.

      They don’t represent a majority but they used to represent a much bigger percentage of Americans.

      We just have to accept that somewhere in the ballpark of 20% of people in this country are such yahoos.

      As the older yahoos drop off, they’re not being replaced in the same numbers so the good thing is that less will be causing trouble as time goes by. In the meantime, faced with a changing world that terrifies them, they will unite behind Santorum and his ilk but though they represent a meaningful segment of the GOP, in the general population, they are a minimal force.

      It is disturbing indeed but thank goodness they are a minority and shrinking.

      • Chernynkaya says:

        Yes, and they’ve always been among us. I think that’s just kind of the human condition--they ebb and flow, but it’s just part of humanity. I don’t even think it’s a particularly American, or Western phenomenon. I bet in every culture, there are these fearful, authoritarian types.

        Also, because I have always lived in liberal CA, I never come in contact with these people so they seem so alien to me. If I grew up elsewhere, as so many Planeteers have taught me, I wouldn’t be so shocked.

        • AdLib says:

          Agreed Cher, these are the types that lined up behind and propped up tyrants and dictators throughout history.

          There are people who want strong, even vicious authority figures in control of their countries, it assuages their fears but of course, brings them and worse to fruition.

          If such people were a majority in the world, the human race would be extinct by now.

    • choicelady says:

      The key issue we need to focus on is not his trogolodyte ideas about religion and reproduction but on his plans for rebuilding manufacturing. They are based entirely on tax cuts and deregulation for corporations. Should he -- GOD FORBID -- win the nomination, he MUST be called out on his using blue collar working people to promote tax cuts for the rich.

      It’s not that we don’t look after his pre-Gallileo mentality on other issues -- but the one thing that can resonate with blue collar people would be some kind of message about “putting working people back to work.” The key issue is HOW and it needs to be made crystal clear that unlike Obama who has magnificent tax plans that do NOT reward finance capital but help invest in manufacturing, Santorum’s plans are all giveaways to existing corporations. AND he’s virulently anti-union.

      • Chernynkaya says:

        Spot on, C’Lady. That’s how to win the blue collar vote. We won’t change their socially conservative views. Never happens. But they can be brought along through their pocketbooks.

  9. funksands says:

    BREAKING: After re-boot Bush takes Ohio by 12,000 votes.

  10. Chernynkaya says:

    Here’s a great pic: [img]http://bit.ly/AkXbMJ[/img]

    From a MoJo post: Mitt Romney’s Zombie Problem
    The GOP front-runner’s grabbing more of the delegates—but he’s being pursued by living-dead competitors he cannot stop.

  11. SallyT says:

    Poor Romney, his magic underwear is riding up on him and giving him a wedgie. And, that is really something since that underwear is one piece!

  12. MurphTheSurf3 says:

    NBC just cut the victory margin for Romney to .75 percent to 1.2 percent. Razor thin.

  13. funksands says:

    This is bitterly embarrassing for Romney. How could he be losing to the guy who’s running his campaign worse than Lucy ran the chocolate conveyor belt? (analogy for the boomers on the board) There is going to be a lot of introspection going on in all the camps tonight. (Except for Paul, who is in no need of introspection)

    Next races:

    Kansas -- 40 -- Santorum easily

    Alabama -- 50 -- Gingrich (if he stays in. He looks exhausted having to work for a living)

    Hawaii -- 20 -- Romney

    Mississippi -- 40 -- Gingrich

    Missouri -- 52 -- Santorum (for realzies this time)

    Louisiana -- 46 -- Santorum probably

    Illinois -- 69 -- Santorum

    DC -- 18 -- Romney

    Maryland -- 37 -- Romney

    Wisconsin -- 42 -- Santorum

    All of this by April 3rd!

    After that Romney has another Super Tuesday with New York, Conn., Rhode Island, Delaware, and possibly Pennsylvania

    This is gonna be really ugly between April 3rd: Wisconsin and April 24th: New York. No contests and plenty of time to savage each other.

    • choicelady says:

      Don’t talk down to us Boomers. I know who Lady GaGa is…

      Good analysis, funk! Thanks! We codgers even understood it.

    • Great visual metaphor BTW. I loved that episode of ‘I love Lucy’.

    • MurphTheSurf3 says:

      Great homework. Funk.

      A little spin.

      Tonight earlier I was getting e mails urging the Missouri Caucus Delegates to move to Gingrich base on his GA win….now they have flipped back to Santorum.

      There is a sense that Mo. can/should drag Romney down….anyone but Romney seems to include the mantra of better to lose than for Romney to win….very bitter and heartfelt here.

      • SallyT says:

        Romney/Joseph Smith….all the same to the Show Me State. Murph, I feel for you, sweetie. It wasn’t like that (so dead on conservative) when I lived and grew up there some 30 years ago. Well, at least on the west side anyway. But, even over there has changed allot now. :(

        • choicelady says:

          Hope it wasn’t Springfield, Sally. It’s home to lynchings, the Assembly of God, skinheads, meth, and John Ashcroft. I know of it all to well. Underneath that pleasant facade beats the heart of one purely racist, bigoted population! I have a friend who was driven out by Christian Identity and skinheads, corrupt cops, and racism the size of all outdoors.

          If you survived all that, good for you!

          • SallyT says:

            CL, no, I should have been clearer. The upper west of big MO. Harry Truman land. I know all about Springfield and yes they are NUTS there! Always were but they have really gone crackers down there now. They are too close to OK, too. I have a couple of old classmates that moved down there. Their brains have been eaten now.

            No, it wasn’t anything like that where I am from. Kansas City is more liberal than St. Louis any day. :)

        • MurphTheSurf3 says:

          I live on the East Side and am considered a curiosity in my village- “Look there….it’s a Democrat!”

      • funksands says:

        Murph, I don’t think MO would ever go for Romney. That’s interesting that you are sensing that mood. I think it is shared in a lot of states. Look at how well Santorum is polling in Wisconsin for example.

        • MurphTheSurf3 says:

          Funk….I spoke with a GOP chairman a couple days ago and he said that he would rather see Romeny lose than win since a Romney win would destroy the newly emerging, ultra conservative, socially traditional GOP. AND HE IS A MORMON…anathema!

          • funksands says:

            Huh. That is interesting. I wonder if this guy is just an outlier? Something makes me think maybe not.

            • MurphTheSurf3 says:

              Don’t think he’s an outlier. The chairs of these county parties really represent the voters.

              The Tea Party mindset here is very powerful and there is a sense that the “establishment” GOP is trying to steal the GOP party back from the far right that fought so hard to get control of it.

              AND, being a Mormon he is very much an outsider- this is solid evangelical baptist grassroots and preachers here are clear- Mormons are not Christians.

    • Chernynkaya says:

      Excellent, funk! Don’t know if you’re right on all of those--Romney can still do some damage with his big bucks--but that is an awesome scenario. And entirely plausible. Yippee!

    • I think at this point if Gingrich stays in then like you predict they will split the more conservative states but I don’t think either would win a state like IL.

      • Chernynkaya says:

        If Adleson really, really doesn’t want Santorum to win, he’s going to have to come through with a lot of money for Newt. Otherwise, I don’t see him able to stay in the race.

      • funksands says:

        I don’t know KQ, right now Santorum is polling 16 points up on Romney in Wisconsin which is not that far away from Illinois. He won Minnesota handily too.

    • AdLib says:

      Can I just say…I’m smiling?

  14. MurphTheSurf3 says:

    Meant to post this higher….

    NBC is projecting Romney will win Idaho caucuses…

    And he’ll win just big enough to garner all 32 delegates but the margin of victory will be by about 1.6 percent.

    Romney wons, but just sort of. He gets his delegates and the vote but he does not look like a winner.

    Santorum does not look like a loser and Gingrich continues to look like a spoiler.

    And the beat goes on.

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