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Hillary Clinton and Coughing Up the Truth

KT, I agree, I think the real shakeout of the election will be in the debates. I think Hillary will hang his lies and bigotry around his neck for good.

And he’s being such a ridiculous ass, there is no such thing as a debate without a moderator. How is a subject presented for debate? Just 2 hours of yelling at each other and talking over each other? That would be Trump’s version of a debate but it ain’t gonna happen! He’s just trying to pressure the moderators not to truth-check him but he’ll do the debates because he needs to and can’t look like a coward.

Hillary could have derailed this whole health BS from Trump’s camp if she hadn’t tried to hide her pneumonia so she has to take some of the blame for teeing this up.

I wouldn’t be surprised if as they were scouting her public appearances, they concluded she had some kind of respiratory issue because of all the coughing she was doing.

With Roger Ailes and Steve Bannon on Trump’s team, it wouldn’t be a leap to wonder if they purposely attacked her on her health knowing she was covering up a problem. That way, they already won that battle. They accuse her of covering up massive health issues and in the end when she has to admit to a temporary one, they’ve hit her on her honesty and sown more doubts about her health.

That’s why I’m arguing for Hillary to quit hurting herself and helping Trump through covering things up.

Trump may hammer her on all kinds of BS but as long as she doesn’t give him a lane to accurately accuse her of not being truthful and open, he’ll won’t be able to land a meaningful blow.

» Posted By AdLib On September 13, 2016 @ 5:21 pm

KT, I described in my article that I understand her reticence in coming out about her pneumonia after the rash of health propaganda Trump and his slimeballs were spreading about her.

My point is that her biggest vulnerability is being viewed as untrustworthy and trying to avoid getting stung by a bee by running into the street to be hit by a truck isn’t the best trade off.

Yes, it would have been fodder for Trump if she had been open about this from the start but as I suggested in my post, there were ways for her to spin the truth to hammer Trump while avoiding once again being hit for being deceptive.

Of course, none of us supporting Hillary will change our support of her over such things and in the scheme of things, it’s not the biggest deal.

But we’re not the ones who will ultimately decide this election, it may be the independents and undecided. Their view of Hillary is impacted by these things, 60% of voters already see her as untrustworthy and this kind of thing makes that worse.

She just has to stop trying to choose between covering something up to protect herself from attacks and being open and taking hits for what she admits. The choice is clear, she has to be open and take whatever hits she has to because they will be far less profound than more hits to her trustworthiness in the eyes of undecided voters.

» Posted By AdLib On September 13, 2016 @ 5:00 pm

Aquarius, first of all, I really appreciate your frank response to my post!

As for my post, consider it more of an intervention. It was written tongue-in-cheek in the voice of a crass Brooklyn/New Yorker like Cher’s character in the Moonstruck clip I used, I did mention that in the post.

The truth is, she and her campaign have repeatedly shot themselves in the foot by not being honest and open. We can’t afford for her to lose this election but this penchant for covering up truths is continuing to drag her down in the polls.

Rationalizing away her repeated covering up of the truth is ultimately harmful to her image with the only voters who will make the difference in November, undecideds and independents. Today her lead has shrunk to 4% nationally and she has lost her lead with independents. So on results alone, I’d suggest that what she’s been doing is only hurting her.

As I mentioned in my article, over 60% of voters see her as untrustworthy so I have to disagree that she knows well how to interact with the public. In fact, she couldn’t even win younger women away from a 75 year old man in the Dem primary because she had trouble connecting with them. She has the highest negatives ever for a Dem Presidential candidate, I would suggest that she needs a course correction in order to be viewed more positively by independents.

Pneumonia is far more serious than a cold, people can die from pneumonia. Because it is serious, it’s something that I think the public has a right to know, when either candidate has a serious health issue. That’s why they all release health records to the public (except Trump). Fortunately, it’s temporary and with rest and anti-bacterial medications, it can be cured.

IMHO, the difference between Progressives and Republicans is that Progressives retain their principles even when it comes to their own candidates, they’re honest about calling out when anyone does the wrong thing even when it’s someone on their side. Principles are consistent things or else they’re not really principles.

We’ve all seen how Trump supporters march lockstep behind him, they can never admit that he’s said or done the wrong thing no matter how outrageously wrong it is. That’s not behavior I think Dems should be mirroring. In fact, it is that kind of behavior that gives Trump affirmation to keep saying the horrible things he’s saying, there is no consequence from his supporters.

I personally believe Hillary needs to stop doing this to reverse her decline in the polls, I want her to win so when she steers onto the shoulder of the road, I think it’s important to let her know that.

When Hillary covers up something new, all those phony conspiracy theories Trump and the Repubs are spreading about her covering up become more validated. Undecided voters may think, “Well, if she’s covering up the truth about this, maybe these other things are true too.”

Simply put, she needs to be as transparent as she’s vowed to be or the whole country and world could suffer a Trump victory. And to that end, I think it is more important for Dems to respond to her honestly when they think she’s messed up.

As to her campaign’s response, they did originally cover up her condition after she fainted this weekend, claiming that she was just overheated. They may claim after the fact that it was only 48 hours after her diagnosis that they finally admitted it was pneumonia but who’s to know how accurate that claim is, coming right after they weren’t honest about this in the first place.

Seeing many incidents recently of her having coughing episodes (that Giuliani seized on to claim she was covering up a more serious illness), it certainly seems like she’s had it for a bit longer than they describe.

Though you’re right, Hillary and her campaign probably consider the “damned if you do, damned if you don’t” dynamic, I do think that time and time again it’s been shown that she’s most damned if she’s perceived as not being open and transparent so the choice might not be as difficult anymore.

Lastly, I do agree that Hillary is generally being held to a higher standard than Trump, the bar has been so lowered by the MSM when it comes to Trump that if he just reads a teleprompter without blowing up, he’s done well.

Trump’s lying is record setting, his ignorance and lack of character is breathtaking. His emotional fragility is stunning. As Pres. Obama said today in his speech, there shouldn’t even be a choice. Trump should be crushed under the weight of his bigotry, dishonesty and covering up of the truth. It massively outweighs any questions about Hillary.

Unfortunately, since Trump and a close election mean profits to the MSM, they won’t come down on him as they should. It will be up to Hillary in the debates to take him down on all his crap and I think she will.

At the same time, by erring on the side of transparency, I think she’ll avoid anymore self-inflicted harm on herself.

» Posted By AdLib On September 13, 2016 @ 4:37 pm

Rudy has been seen raging against Hillary Clinton to a tree in his front yard wearing only his bathrobe.

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» Posted By AdLib On September 13, 2016 @ 3:22 pm

Kes, I don’t doubt it would be a struggle for Hillary and her campaign to change this defensive mentality they’ve cemented in themselves over the decades.

But resorting to obfuscation and lies to defend against attacks is worse than the attacks now, they’ve seen more than enough evidence.

Like all campaigns, they operate in their bubble and no doubt most if not all have been on board with the knee jerk reaction of, “We can’t let this truth get out because they’ll attack her as usual, how can we cover it up?”

Bad habits are hard to break and this old school politician behavior is a bad habit that only hurts her.

As hard as it is to change, she and they have to do so now because more incidents that expose they’ve been dishonest could really harm her hopes of winning.

» Posted By AdLib On September 13, 2016 @ 3:15 pm

Kes, after seeing her in that marathon Benghazi hearing, which I guarantee you that Trump would not be able to endure, I don’t think anyone should doubt her strength or how hard she can push herself.

As you say though, she drives herself hard and refusing fluids seems the same kind of self-sabotage that her dishonesty is.

We all have our complex psychologies, we can sometimes kind of know we’re not doing the right thing for ourselves but still do it. When it becomes a major obstacle to our succeeding at something, we have to apply the self-discipline not to do that.

She needs to take better care of herself and as I mentioned, put to rest the now-archaic concept of the public accepting that politicians aren’t forthright with voters. Those days are over now…for non-Trump voters at least…and especially since that’s the main attack line against her, she needs to stay honest about everything with voters. That doesn’t mean she has to share everything with the public, just the things that matter.

I am wishing her a quick recovery…from pneumonia and in the polls!

» Posted By AdLib On September 12, 2016 @ 11:46 pm

Hi PegsIsKatzencats, it is a lot more work to have to remember and support lies and though many politicians are experienced at it, it often gets them into trouble.

I would guess that Hillary and her campaign chose to lie about her pneumonia for multiple reasons, the primary one being that they didn’t want the announcement of it to suddenly validate all the outrageous lies that Trump and his band of loons have been spreading about her health and mental state. And the discouraging impact it could theoretically make on some voters, hearing that she was ill.

I completely understand those justifications and the average politician may have done the same but Hillary can’t afford to be caught hiding the truth anymore. She and her campaign need to understand that.

As for poor judgement, since we have to grade on a curve in a binary election, it’s a fraction of the lying and horrible judgement Trump exhibits on a daily basis (today he declared Hillary’s “deplorable” comment was aimed at our military and people of goodwill and that all Americans must worship one God…so much for the 1st Amendment).

Hillary and her campaign are old school and that doesn’t work as well today with moderate and Progressive voters. GW Bush, Bill Clinton, GHW Bush, Reagan and Nixon, all used lies when they were convenient so this is nothing new…and that’s the problem.

Many Americans are tired of old school politics, both Dems and Repubs. Unfortunately, many Dems but only a fraction of Repubs hold both candidates to that standard, the core Trump supporters rationalize away the constant flow of lies and bigotry he spews and are happily conned into thinking he’s honest and wants to help them.

One can only hope that Hillary and her campaign will finally learn from this episode that you can’t play the old school politician in 2016 and lie about things you don’t want voters to know, thoughtful voters don’t put up with it like they used to.

Trump voters on the other hand…

» Posted By AdLib On September 12, 2016 @ 5:31 pm

Trump Wants to Change US to USSR (United States Serving Russia)

Thanks so much, gyp46!

The irony is that Trump had Joe McCarthy’s evil lawyer/accomplice Roy Cohn as his lawyer too…and now he’s asking Putin what furniture he wants in his room at the White House.

Who woulda thunk that the GOP would be led into becoming best bros with a Russian dictator who has and continues to undermine the US?

They may have to change the categorization of the film, The Manchurian Candidate, from fiction to documentary.

» Posted By AdLib On September 12, 2016 @ 11:01 am

Kalima, first of all, if the Trump campaign used the Trolol song as their campaign theme, I might be more concerned that he could win…I love that performance! Nonsensical lyrics that repeat endlessly and are a farce that the performer is unaware of, ideal for Trump!

And to have Putin singing it to celebrate Trump’s loss…perfection!

I second your suggestion on the stain remover for our election process and a class action suit against Trump for the country’s emotional distress he’s caused most of us. We could add to that a use of eminent domain to turn all Trump properties into mosques.

Crazy indeed!

» Posted By AdLib On September 12, 2016 @ 10:53 am

Questinia, the meme the Repubs have been hammering for years, that Dems and their Presidents aren’t just the opposition but are the ultimate in evil, has set up this dynamic.

If Dems/Hillary are the ultimate evil, then whoever Trump aligns with, whether it’s the KKK, neo-nazis or Putin, it’s all fine because at least they’re not Democrats.

Add to that, Trump followers naturally are pro-authoritarian and pro-oppression so of course they can sign onto Trump’s Putin Love. They would love to have Trump as President, act dictatorially (despite their hollow accusations of “Dictator!” about Obama). If Trump violated the Constitution to ban all Muslims from the US, end the free press, refuse to recognize birthright citizenship, etc, they would be ecstatic.

We are very lucky that we have such a diverse nation, it keeps nationalists and anti-American candidates like Trump from having a majority of voters supporting him.

It’s still kind of frightening to imagine how many open and closet racists there are in this country…and how many really ignorant people there are out there who would buy such an obvious con man’s scheming as “straight talk”.

Let alone, be so willing to sell out our country and our allies to Russia just because their candidate can be so swayed by a calculated compliment.

It is a dangerous segment of the population, a minority of the population that will continue to be here after the election but they won’t be celebrating the election, of that I’m very confident.

» Posted By AdLib On September 12, 2016 @ 10:40 am

KT, it seems to be this, “Of course I oppose tyrannical leaders of Russia who try to manipulate our elections, racists, neo-nazis, the KKK, nuking Europe, attacking Gold Star parents, dissing our generals and military on a Russian propaganda channel and demonizing racial and religious minorities…but…I do want a Republican in the White House.”

Party over decency, let alone country.

» Posted By AdLib On September 12, 2016 @ 10:23 am

This Week in America’s Religious Nutjobs

Kes, just as Trump turned on The Pope for criticizing his bigotry, I’d guess that these people would attack a returning Jesus as “unchristian” for attacking them.

Such people have no sense of shame or hypocrisy, they just use religion to play out their own terrible traits.

» Posted By AdLib On September 12, 2016 @ 10:18 am

Kalima, to truly understand anything, you have to want to and I don’t think these type of people have any intellectual curiosity to understand what Christianity is about. They just seem to have grabbed onto those few, superficial parts of it that they can quickly comprehend and then feel they know it all. Their views are typically simplistic and hypocritical and frequently about judging others who don’t conform to their misguided views as bad or evil.

They are so blind to the fact that they are actually unChristian, opposing love, peace and compassion…which is the core message of the religion they vow to be committed to.

Would love to see their faces when they find out their afterlife will require a lot of aloe vera.

» Posted By AdLib On September 12, 2016 @ 10:14 am

Really MSM? Hillary is Married to Anthony Weiner?

We can thank the majority population of America (and especially those in minorities) who will hold the line against that bigot Trump.

Now…if only we could speed up time for the election!

» Posted By AdLib On August 30, 2016 @ 3:13 pm

James, vote and educate. Too many low info voters out there aren’t getting the full scoop on Trump. The debates should help but we shouldn’t take for granted that everyone’s keeping up on who Trump really is.

» Posted By AdLib On August 30, 2016 @ 3:11 pm

Kalima, sure looks like Trump loses that game hands down!

But America loses when its press becomes simply a Trump megaphone for hateful attacks based on irrelevant BS.

The good thing is that this story has no legs and will be gone in a day or two. Trump has no substantial platform to stand on except bigotry and that ain’t going to get him elected.

» Posted By AdLib On August 29, 2016 @ 9:30 pm

KT, I can understand Trump trying to twist everything into trying to make Hillary look evil and terrible but the MSM is disgusting for running with his BS and making it legit just for ratings and revenue.

This is the future of our country we’re facing in this election and the corporate owners of the MSM would be just fine with Trump getting elected and launching a nuclear war because it could only increase their ratings.

» Posted By AdLib On August 29, 2016 @ 9:20 pm

Hey Aquarius, so true, the MSM is literally stepping down into the sewer with Trump to try and blame Hillary for Huma’s divorcing Weiner.

It’s insane, their hunger to try and manipulate the race back into being close by trying to slam Hillary this way.

As Joseph Welch said to Joe McCarthy in the Army-McCarthy hearings, “At long last, have you left no sense of decency?”

Well MSM? That’s okay, we already know.

» Posted By AdLib On August 29, 2016 @ 2:33 pm

Weekend Music Thread – Feelin’ Alright

Hope it’s helped you have a…

» Posted By AdLib On August 28, 2016 @ 10:01 pm

https://youtu.be/W83InivbUSQ

» Posted By AdLib On August 27, 2016 @ 10:49 am

For Dems: https://youtu.be/L_jWHffIx5E

» Posted By AdLib On August 27, 2016 @ 10:19 am

Donald Trump’s Hair to Part From His Campaign

He’s a real Duck’s Ass…

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» Posted By AdLib On August 28, 2016 @ 9:19 pm

Hey Questinia! Well done!

I forgot to add that like Trump himself, his hair hates toupee money it owes.

» Posted By AdLib On August 27, 2016 @ 10:05 am

Aw, comb on!

» Posted By AdLib On August 27, 2016 @ 9:47 am

Thanks Kalima, I thought some might be “bald” over by it!

» Posted By AdLib On August 27, 2016 @ 9:46 am

Trump Claims Hillary is a Zombie, MSM Asks Her to Prove She’s Not

Kes, maybe there’s a reason for that? Like…Andrea Mitchell is…a zombie! Just look at her hubby Greenspan and Kissinger, talk about The Walking Dead!

And I believe that wine is just her type, Type O negative?

» Posted By AdLib On August 28, 2016 @ 10:10 pm

Kalima, maybe “zombigot”?

The new Trump campaign slogan, “I know you are but who am I?” Or maybe, “I’m a very successful and wealthy rubber and you’re a crooked glue, whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you!”

» Posted By AdLib On August 26, 2016 @ 2:04 pm

Thanks KT! And considering what Ailes had going on at Fox, “brainlust” is a perfect tag on them!

» Posted By AdLib On August 23, 2016 @ 5:40 pm

I think Gary Johnson is safe, he tastes too bland for anyone to bite him.

» Posted By AdLib On August 23, 2016 @ 5:39 pm

AAAH!!! It’s true!!! Did she bite Jill Stein??? AAAHH!!!

» Posted By AdLib On August 23, 2016 @ 2:05 pm