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I am not surprised he won. In fact many of my friends and associates accused me of being a foolish doomsayer but what I saw was great enthusiasm from the core Trump voter and very little enthusiasm from the core Clinton voter.

Trump won the electoral college, but it looks like he lost the popular vote by numbers being projected at 300,000 to 1,000,000 but in the U.S. constitutional system, one I regularly critique as a ridiculous experiment that frequently fails to function, that is how it is.

It appears that he won nearly the same number of voters as Romney did and that Clinton did not come close to what Obama had.


  • I wonder who did not show up to vote today. Turnout overall was low in the Democratic Party and turnout in the GOP was about what it has been in the last several campaigns.
    • Those who did not show up and who would have preferred Clinton will just have to live with their lack of…..whatever……I hope that they will not have cause to deeply regret their failure to vote.
  • I wonder who did show up today. A lot of people from the Trump demographic crowd apparently (largely white male, evangelical, rural, with limited higher education and a great sense of anger, frustration and disappointment). Clinton was strong in the cities and among Hispanics and women…but not in the numbers that were predicted.
    • Those who did show up and who deeply wanted Trump will also have to live with their votes and I hope will not have cause to deeply regret their vote.
    • Those who wanted Clinton will need to deal with their disappointment and anger and then decide what they will do with both feelings.

The GOP has no place to hide. The White House, the Senate and the House is theirs. They are responsible now for everything that happens. Everything. And I do not envy them the job.

  • The international markets are in free fall.
  • Condemnation for the results are pouring in from the international community.
  • Many who the Trump campaign targeted and in fear, in pain and in panic.
  • His campaign promises are vague and generally dismissed by those with expertise in measuring such things.

Perhaps Trump will surprise me. Perhaps he will surprise us all.

But there is nothing in his history, in his words, in his campaign that gives me confidence that this is so.


It is up to him and his cohort to make their case by what they do.

It is up to you who supported him to make the case that he deserves the support of people like myself. He will have to work very hard to do that.

A SIDENOTE: As the night went on I said to those with whom I was watching the results that the outcome in the Senate (with control of the Senate remaining with the GOP) that if the Presidential Race was close it would be impossible for Clinton to govern. Impossible. Four more years of gridlock. Without a mandate from the public, the GOP would block her at every turn. We may be in a situation where only single party rule can work….essentially undemocratic and unhealthy but functionally the only way.



WHERE TO NOW….based on his campaign rhetoric here are some future headlines that would not be surprising….

Millions of people lose health insurance.

Trump orders DOJ investigation of Clinton e-mails and Clinton foundation.

Investment in the U.S. significantly declines.

Trade Wars resulting from U.S. default on trade agreements begin.

Undocumented workers face new threats of deportation.

Progress on reducing greenhouse gases starts to reverse.

Conservatives regain a majority in the Supreme Court, and are poised to expand their influence.

Deficits rise, forcing cuts to programs on which the poor and middle class depend.

Russian aggression in Eastern Europe grows, influence expands

Massive tax cuts benefit the top 10 percent and further gut the middle and lower class

Voter limitations/repression no longer opposed by the federal government

Race crimes increase in frequency as racial tensions rise higher and higher

Roe v. Wade is overturned.

AND SO MUCH MORE….I hope I am wrong. It is Trump’s job to prove I am.

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Great stuff, as usual Murph, it is now been a couple days and my thoughts are still numbed, believing that half of the voters wished for and got a sexual predator and a robber baron for the leader of the free world still just stuns me. Those white voters think, well maybe they think, that all their measly little troubles will now just evaporate I guess, THEY WON’T FOLKS. Every time the republicans have gained control we the citizens have paid dearly for it. We, the country, are still, after nearly 15 yrs digging our way out of the hole from Bush 2, now we can expect even more disastrous results, enormous tax cuts, pollution of water and air, defunding PP, reversing Roe, and guess what Trump voters?? THOSE JOBS YOUR GUY PROMISED, GOOD LUCK ON THAT, THE PRESIDENT DOES NOT CREATE JOBS.

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And BTW, as I think you know, there is no “other” Trump. There is only one who will do and say whatever helps him satisfy his emotional needs…including reading pandering garbage off of teleprompters (like his phony acceptance speech last night) when necessary.

He is who we have seen him to be. He doesn’t give a shit about America or any of those who elected him and that will become clear very quickly.

No wonder he made a big deal early on about, “I love the uneducated voters!” Of course he does, conning the rubes is how he gets what he wants for himself. I kind of pity those fools who have no idea that they’re about to lose their health insurance, have their SS cut and Medicare reduced…not to mention have their Welfare cut.

As the saying goes, there’s no fool like an old fool. Or a fool who dies from not having health insurance.

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Two depts. thumper wants to cut back or eliminate 1. EPA 2. Dept of Ed. gee wonder why the pubbers want ‘dumber voters’!!!!

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gyp46, they want the public dumber and children full of lead so they don’t get smart. So getting rid of the EPA and Dept. of Ed. make a lot of sense to them.

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Murph, you put your finger on so much that I think needs to be recognized and discussed with a sense of urgency.

What the numbers point out, as you describe, isn’t that Trump outperformed as a Republican. It’s that Hillary underperformed as so many warned she would if she became the Dem nominee instead of Bernie.

Hillary is not a bad person, she is not a criminal nor are her genuine political views far outside of many Americans.

This was a populist election and despite the obvious evidence through massive crowds and rising from an unknown to a legit rival of the most powerful and connected woman in America, Bernie was sidelined by the Democratic Party establishment that had already placed the crown on the head of an old school politician representing and emoting the status quo. The concept of Hillary as the first woman president inspired people but Hillary herself as a person and a candidate was uninspiring.

I think the Hillary campaign came down to the proposition that with enough money and political operations, she could be forced past the populist voters into the WH past the faux populist in the other party.

Too much of America has moved on from the cliche of the uninspiring elitist politicians who play the game as it’s been played for decades (if not centuries).

It was a tough battle to beat a media savvy populist with an old school elitist.

Hillary was not one of “us” but we hoped this woman who seemed so detached from us could represent us. Trump ran as one of the “us”, it’s all a lie but his followers can’t tell a lie from a pit of acid.

The way I look at it this morning, the night after Donald Trump has been crowned as the most powerful man in the world for the next 4 years, is that Hillary was fatally flawed from the start but the Dem Establishment anointed her because she was one of them, ignoring all of her handicaps because having one of their own in power was the priority over having the best candidate who stood the best chance of winning.

I posted this to FD but just to underline my point, check this out from today’s USA Today:

Would Bernie Sanders have defeated Donald Trump?

During the primaries, one of the most common attacks on Bernie Sanders was that he wasn’t anywhere near as “electable” in the general election as Hillary Clinton.

As Donald Trump is poised to assume the presidency, let’s take a look back at how Sanders was polling against Trump in a head-to-head general election matchup.

The RealClearPolitics average from May 6-June 5 had Sanders at 49.7% to Trump’s 39.3%, a 10.4-point cushion.

In that same time frame, Trump was polling close to Clinton and was even ahead in multiple polls.

During an appearance on Meet The Press at the end of May, Sanders acknowledged that disparity: “Right now, in every major poll, national poll and statewide poll done in the last month, six weeks, we are defeating Trump often by big numbers, and always at a larger margin than secretary Clinton is.”

That polling was of course based on a hypothetical scenario, five months from Election Day. However, Sanders’ popularity among white working-class voters might have been the difference in this election; voters that Trump ultimately won.

Sanders defeated Clinton in both the Wisconsin and Michigan primaries, two of the states that Trump surprised in on Tuesday.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/11/09/bernie-sanders-donald-trump/93530352/

It’s kind of like mass hypnosis. We knew, we were told way back in the midst of the primaries that Hillary was more probable to lose to Trump than Bernie but it was waved away by the Dem establishment that manipulated so much to complete the coronation they had predetermined should take place.

We knew. The numbers were clear, Bernie’s big enthusiastic rallies vs. Hillary’s small uninspired crowds, Bernie’s widely viewed genuineness and honesty vs. Hillary’s perceived dishonesty and untrustworthy.

We all watched this head on collision happening in slow motion and instead of being able to steer into a different direction, we just assured ourselves that the accident wouldn’t really happen.

Looking at it in this kind of perspective, were the results of last night really so surprising (putting aside the deceptive polling that validated our denial of reality)?

These results were presented to us months ago but we just chose to ignore them. And I say “we” loosely. The Hillary nomination was not organic nor driven by the base of voters. It was constructed behind the scenes a long time before the primaries began. Hillary lined up her support in the Dem establishment, got her pledges from Superdelegates, brought the Congressional Black Congress on board and of course had her previous campaign manager, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, as head of the DNC, planning drastically limited and poorly-scheduled debates and doing all they could to diminish and scare off any competition while they custom fit the nomination for Hillary.

Add to that the greatest fundraising network every constructed, thanks in no small part to the relationships with the wealthy and Wall Street she and Bill had built through The Clinton Global Initiative and she had a preset path to win the nomination that would frighten away any serious contender who could take it away from her. Of course, then came Bernie.

In the era of Trump, it’s ironic that perhaps the core failure of the Dems was having an elitist group choose the candidate for the party and present her as inevitable…completely disconnected from their membership and their wishes, ignoring any value of having their base decide for themselves who would be the best candidate.

Dems had no choice, it was already decided before the primary that Hillary was entitled to the nomination. All the big money and Dem elite were already lined up behind her and they rattled the cage to threaten anyone from challenging that. The fact that an unknown named Bernie built up such enormous and daunting support is a further testament to how much Hillary was not the natural choice of party members.

Ironically, before the primaries, many thought it would be another Bush/Clinton face off. Jeb Bush was foreshadowing what Dems refused to recognize. He had the party behind him, he had the huge war chest, he was one of the elite family who had already reigned as President. And he was crushed in the face of a populist despite how disgusting he was.

Hillary is the Dem’s Jeb Bush. They went back to the well with the old school elitist pol who wasn’t inspiring but was entitled to be a nominee and President.

It failed with Jeb and it failed with Hillary.

In this environment, motivation and inspiration is needed to drive out sufficient voters to win a national election. Obama had it, Bernie had it, Trump had it…but Hillary didn’t. She came off as archaic, a dinosaur of a politician who originally planned to cynically swing to the left in the primary to steal Bernie’s thunder to cut his knees out from under him then move back to the center in the GE. When it became clear that Dems, already questioning her as being genuine, wouldn’t be too keen at her swerving back to the middle, she stayed with much of Bernie’s platform through the GE.

It wasn’t enough though to attract the rural and outer suburban whites though who still were only looking for an angry outsider (like Bernie…and Trump) to politics-as-usual who would really fight to change things.

It never felt right from the start, Hillary installed as the untouchable, inevitable front runner even before she announced her candidacy. And Bernie’s incredible rise to compete with her neck and neck was as big a warning sign for the “inevitable” candidate as there could have been.

Hillary is not a natural campaigner nor a very good one. She lost the 2008 primary despite all these advantages she had then too, she nearly lost the primary this year to an unknown despite all her strengths and now, she’d lost what should have been a slam dunk win against a con man.

Hillary has always been a pretty poor candidate with too much baggage to escape. She rebounded off of Bill’s presidency and the public humiliation she was subjected to due to him and won the NY Senate seat. There too, she had all the power and money of the Dem establishment to push her past the finish line. It worked then, it worked in the primary this year but it’s proven to be a flawed strategy that’s inconsistent.

Sometimes, using primarily muscle and money doesn’t help an uninspiring candidate get the turnout they need to win elections.

This is Groundhog Day…except the groundhog is now going to become president. Hillary has been an uninspiring candidate who has lost or nearly lost most of the elections she’s run in despite enormous advantages.

Thanks to this (in addition to many other factors including the whipping up of white racial anxiety by Trump), we now have a tsunami of terribleness coming our way that’s going to last at least 4 years.

The best things we can do is take a little time to work through this disaster, unite to fight against it and strip the DNC of having the kind of power and influence they used to install one of their own elitists as a nominee who was too flawed and uninspiring to win against a man despised by 60% of the nation.

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My “thumbs up” button isn’t available at the moment, AdLib, but all I can say is: “Bravo!” Well said.

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Hey Kes, you may have an ad blocker or spam blocker that’s preventing the thumbs up, check that. I added it for you (and to you!).

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