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SueInCa
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Well I can see I missed some lively conversation. I have been over in the “write your own blog” area writing for my series on the Christian Right. So I will just say good night to everyone here.

And Kalima

If you like chocolate, coconut and marshmallow all rolled in to one small candy cup, you would love Mallo Bars or Cups as they are legally called. They are similar to a Cup O Gold that we used to have here in the states but generally were only sold on the east coast, kind of like certain brands of chips are only sold back east. They are all my favorite things in one concoction.

Kalima
Admin

I do and I would. Good night Sue and take care.

Kalima
Admin

Instead of speculating on another financial crash over there which would include us in Europe and Asia again too, I would be more worried about the 80% of economic growth in China and their impending or by some accounts, already in progress housing “bubble” and what it would mean to America if China suddenly decided to ask for the return of their loans. As it stands now, it appears that China “owns” almost 60% of America.

http://www.thechinaexpat.com/china-housing-bubble/

kesmarn
Admin

Kalima, don’t you wonder if China wouldn’t be in the same position that American banks are in, regarding their customers’ credit card debt? When it comes to demanding repayment, the answer might be: “Take a ticket and get in line!”

Kalima
Admin

LOL, I could just imagine the Chinese reaction to that line.

kesmarn
Admin

Me too! 🙄

Kalima
Admin

It certainly wouldn’t be “????ok.” It’s supposed to read “Well ok then.”

WordPress wouldn’t print my Chinese characters, they inserted ???? instead, what a bummer.

kesmarn
Admin

LOL! Kalima, the quizzical “????” works as a representation of the expressions on their faces.

Kind of a “huh???” look!

Kalima
Admin

I thought that I would shock everyone with my knowledge of Chinese???? and look what happened, oh the shame! 😳

kesmarn
Admin

Hey! No shame! We are all already fully cognizant of your amazing linguistic abilities!

As far as I can tell, you can communicate in German, Japanese, English and Chinese, right? Any others? I’m jealous!

Kalima
Admin

😆 Your flattery consumes me. As for my Chinese, I spent 2 weeks in Hong Kong years ago, does that count?

Khirad
Member

You’re preaching to the choir. How many times I’ve wanted to insert Farsi and Hindi, I cannot tell you.

Kalima
Admin

🙂 I’m glad that I’m not alone but so annoying and how dare they change it into question marks. How very rude!!

KQµårk 死神
Member

OK now I’m throwing this out there knowing the NWO is a woo woo myth and that we are not socially or technologically ready for one world government but isn’t eventual one world government the only way to really stop war and poverty even though we are hundreds if not thousands of years away from that system?

I guess this is my Star Trek, John Lennon Utopian thinking kicking in on this one.

Kalima
Admin

That would really depend on who’s in charge of the apple cart. It could either be a good thing or a “Mad Max” type of thing and I doubt that with so many differing opinions alone just in one country that it would ever work without fighting or wars without compromise, and we know how hard that is.

P.S.
It might just work if we were all high, all of the time. 🙂

Khirad
Member

@ P.S. – that isn’t such a bad suggestion, regardless. 8)

Kalima
Admin

Was that a P.S. to my P.S??

Khirad
Member

It was in response to it. 😉

Kalima
Admin

Great, but we’d never get a thing done. 🙂

kesmarn
Admin

Maybe that would be a good thing, Kalima! Idle hands have created plenty of mischief!

escribacat
Member

Uh, what were we talking about…?

Kalima
Admin

Yes kesmarn and for some reason I just had an image of the GOP Senators asking to be excused from the floor of the Senate to look for snacks while giggling at every word spoken.

I’d pay to see “old Misery” Boehner smile for once. 🙂

kesmarn
Admin

Kalima, his man-tan might crack and shatter and fall to the House floor. That would make everybody smile. 😆

Kalima
Admin

😆 kesmarn, “man-tan” precious!!

KQµårk 死神
Member

Ouch “Mad Max”! Now that’s a bad picture.

Kalima
Admin

I know but it could be something which might happen after oil fields across the planet are running dry and there isn’t enough source of energy left for the people who might have survived a global disaster.

I found those films extremely disturbing because I believe that this could happen in the future unless all countries work on alternative energy and growing enough food to feed their population.

SueInCa
Member

If the bankers of the world were not involved, it might be a nice thing, one race and that is mankind……………….

Khirad
Member

It’s also a tenet of the Bah

escribacat
Member

If we ever encounter beings from another planet, we’ll have a world government in about ten minutes.

kesmarn
Admin

Heh. e’cat, I think we were typing at the same time. I was just a little more windy about it! 😀

escribacat
Member

Hehe. I’m a minimalist!

KQµårk 死神
Member

Depends on the nature and time of that contact.

Kalima
Admin

You’ve started something now K. I’m about “to venture to a place that no other woman has dared venture before” my kitchen, where I will try to cook some lunch.

See you in a bit.

KQµårk 死神
Member

Yup woman have found the miracle drug that makes them 50% smarter then men called estrogen. I know you’ve heard that one before but just saying.

Kalima
Admin

Yes, I’ve heard it before 🙂 but my Japanese hubby won’t believe it. It’s not a thing men should believe over here, they might lose face or something.

Silly really, I’m awfully good at finding things.

kesmarn
Admin

I guess I would say that one world government would probably be the BEST way to really stop war and poverty, maybe not the only way. I have a hunch that just about the only thing that would get that accomplished in the next few millenia, though, would be a massive, imminent and totally terrifying threat from the outside. A threat to all of humanity. Then all our petty economic and racial “differences” would have to evaporate in favor of circling-the-wagons solidarity.

Blues Tiger
Member
Blues Tiger

That would be assumming all the religious fanatics, political idealists, tribal leaders and patriotic nationals would actually agree on the threat…
My personal opinion is that the idea that everyone would lay all differences aside to save the Earth or humanity is a flawed theory, based on the historical records of the human race…

KQµårk 死神
Member

I have to agree if it happened now. Actually the movie “Contact”, great book too, would be a much more likely scenario than say an “Independence Day” scenario. The way the countries of the world reacted to first contact would be like scared little children.

Like FrankenPC said I think a species would have to be so evolve socially and technologically for stellar travel that they would most likely be peaceful. Unless they are as arrogant as humans they would think we are ants.

Blues Tiger
Member
Blues Tiger

Have you ever considered the theory that we are the most advanced collection of beings in the known universe?
There is always the chance that we are the best that has evolved so far…

kesmarn
Admin

…What a depressing thought…

🙁

KQµårk 死神
Member

If we are that’s pretty pathetic and a huge waste of space if we are the best the universe has to offer. People do think that but I think that’s based on the arrogant way we always look at our species. Frankly humans still think we are the center of the universe in practical terms.

Logically speaking the probability of intelligent life is much higher than the probability of a supreme being. The probability of a supreme being is a null set because there simple is no physical evidence for it’s existence. While the probability that there is sentient life is one because we exist. That changes the mathematics quite a bit. So that makes the probability of other intelligent life not that improbable at all. I know you are not saying there is a supreme being but the comparison holds true.

I know with the cynicism people have these days as opposed to the optimism we had not too long ago the prevailing philosophy for the existence of intelligent life is more pessimistic but I think attitudes have change more than the universe since then.

Now as far the probability of our species contacting other intelligent life, that probability is very low but we’ve only been looking for other species for about 20 years out of our 200,000 years as a species.

kesmarn
Admin

I suppose I’m thinking of how even the most dysfunctional, devour-our-own families will suddenly close ranks and defend themselves from an outside threat, when that arises. I think humans have that instinct.

Blues Tiger
Member
Blues Tiger

Cher, The only comments I could find about NWO referred to Global Banking and Global Corporations, I couldn’t find any mention of President Obama… So I fail to understand the inquisitioning nature of your line of questioning… 😀

Chernynkaya
Member

BT, I certainly didn’t mean it as an inquisition, but just a straight question.

You replied to Javaz somewhat cryptically. I am just asking what you agree with her about, if you don’t mind stating that, because she made several statements, and I have no idea which you were agreeing with, or if you agree with her about her opinion that –in the context of out discussion about Obama– she said she thought we were fighting a New World Order.

Whether she meant that Obama is part of that, I’ll let her explain. I took it to mean she does.

KQµårk 死神
Member

I think some people fail to understand you need people inside and outside the system for real change. Inside the system is the hardest work because you still have to deal with most of the rules in the system.

I know I fought the system from the inside on improving the environment. I use to get the same criticisms by people at my environmental club for working on the inside. But I would always tell them someone on the inside had to put into practice the environmental changes everyone wants.

My strategy was simple but effective. I read up on all the European environmental regulations and every product I made when I had the power fit those stiffer regs. I got hell from the inside because there is almost always a higher cost with environmentally clean chemicals. I’m proud that I had a substantial impact on cleaning the rivers near papermills by using much more biodegradable surfactants than the current art.

A purist would say just don’t be involved in that industry and picket it or something. The one’s on the inside pressure you to buy the cheapest raw materials to make more money. So I understand the type of criticism people who are in the system get from within and form external purists quite well. But I’ll tell you I’ve helped clean up more rivers from at least what our companies were adding more than any purist did by screaming on the sidelines, especially under such a hostile Republican environment when I was working.

Chernynkaya
Member

KQ Most people are not mature enough to deal with that reality. It is much more emotionally satisfying to blame and slam the door.

having said that, I also– as I think you do– think there is an honorable place for protests and dissent. The important– and tricky– thing is to be sure we are protesting the right target. Those who are working on the inside to fix it are not the target.

KQµårk 死神
Member

I agree we did protest with our environmental club trying to save wetlands from developers. I’m honestly saying I had much more effect on the inside working the system. I have empathy for the people doing it from the inside because I’ve been there and many people on the outside characterize us all incorrectly.

Chernynkaya
Member

Yep, I agree.

escribacat
Member

KQ — I used to work for a bank (a couple banks). I used to travel a lot demonstrating a software system for international bankers who handle import/export transactions through letters of credit. Aside from ignorant people asking me if I could get them a loan, I had this one liberal friend who constantly got on my case about working for a bank. He had demonized all bankers. I eventually came to the conclusion that his brain had been unplugged and he relied only on ideology to do his “thinking” for him. Believe it or not, the vast majority of the international bankers I worked with were very liberal — like me. Granted, these weren’t investment bankers. Banks have a lot of different departments. And most of the people who work there aren’t debils.

KQµårk 死神
Member

People who think your profession defines you politics, except in extreme situations, just don’t understand how life works. My wife went to work as a systems developer with in an insurance company because her mother was hassled by insurance companies before her death and she wanted to change things. About half the people she worked with were about improving care and helping people and of course you had the people that just saw the bottom line. She likened it to a constant civil war and the major piece of software she developed was controversial because it actually was worked to pay for more claims overall which was offset by catching fraud. She left in 1999 because the civil war took it’s toll. I know dealing with insurance companies with healthcare (when I had it) or my disability there are people who care and those that simply don’t. The ironic part of my situation is that the private disability has approved my income with no delays or breaks for over four years but I still can’t get Federal SSDI because it’s administered by the state of GA and they won’t give you your entitlement until you have your day in court. So I have a very different experience and while I favor the public option to compete with private insurance I have no allusions that it would be so much better than private insurance once government puts restrictions on them.

javaz
Member

I must go as my husband is sitting outside on the patio, and I really want to spend time with him, but this site is so addictive, and I so love it.

I’ve got my mojo back on the blogging thing, thanks to my husband, and he’s never ever blogged before, but he’s written 2 articles here and he drops off an occasional comment.

Plus, he’s more into the GROW than even I am.

He’s been keeping in touch with that guy who produced a documentary, and my husband’s plans for this site and GROW are even bigger than mine.

Have a good night all, and it was much fun sparring with you and agreeing with you.

KQµårk 死神
Member

I thought you started the call for GROW.

SueInCa
Member

Night Javaz
We can disagree here and we do all the time because there are alot of opinions and it never hurts to question. If we did not we would be like the other sheep out there, but at the end of the day, we can sign off with a cordial good nite.

Blues Tiger
Member
Blues Tiger

Have a good night javaz, just so you know your not alone in how you feel about certain things…

Chernynkaya
Member

BT, do you also think that Obama is ushering in a New World Order?

Blues Tiger
Member
Blues Tiger

Thats an odd question…

Chernynkaya
Member

Sorry, BT, but Javaz said earlier that she believed that Obama is ushering in a NWO . So I don’t know what you mean when you are in agreement “about certain things…”

escribacat
Member

That NWO stuff is pretty far on the rightwing fringe.

KQµårk 死神
Member

And leftwing unfortunately.

Khirad
Member

Yup, KQ is right; unfortunately.

escribacat
Member

Where left meets right. Very interesting. I’m thinking of several posters over yonder with whom I’ve exchanged some nasty posts. For them, Obama is a “colluding criminal,” which seems ridiculous to me. Are these the same folks?

Chernynkaya
Member

I’d guess they are e’cat. People who believe that are every bit as bad as the far RW in my opinion.

escribacat
Member

Cher — I agree 100%.

Khirad
Member

Hmm, I missed that. I guess, I’d like to know in what context, to fair. Like, seriously meant?

Edit: I caught it below – I think it was an honest mistake to bring up.

Chernynkaya
Member

Read it and decide. Maybe I am wrong. I HOPE I am wrong!!

It’s on the Vox Pop or OT thread at 1:38 PM

Chernynkaya
Member

How can one make an honest mistake if one is stating what they believe?

Kalima
Admin

Oh God, does this mean that I have to buy more rolls of tin foil??

SueInCa
Member

You can get a good deal at the dollar store………..both the sheets and the rolls, you get variety

Kalima
Admin

😆 I’ll send you a check to cover it, plus shipping.

SueInCa
Member

They also got a good supply of Mallo Bars in this year, yummy. I had to order them on the internet because they usually do not have them on the west coast. Now I have a supply in my freezer

Kalima
Admin

Talking about ordering stuff, I just received my PlanetPOV t-shirts, it only took a month, I thought they had ended up in China. They are very well made but a word of warning, I like my clothes roomy because of painful shoulder joints, the L size wasn’t as roomy as I thought they would be, just in case everyone else decides that they would rather not squash and flatten their attributes/assets 🙂

Mallo bars, am I missing something good?

SueInCa
Member

Cher
I think it is strange that was brought up. I do not remember him ever saying that. Now Bush 1, Clinton, and others yes, but I have never heard Obama talk about it. Maybe I just missed that. The first pres to talk about it was Woodrow Wilson………….

Chernynkaya
Member

I am referring to a comment Javaz made this afternoon. I thought that’s what BT meant. I would like to know if anyone else feels that Obama is part of a NWO. I am upset about it.

escribacat
Member

Cher, I don’t even know any conservatives who think that.

Kalima
Admin

Of course he’s not otherwise why is he trying to change your country for the better, why does he care more about what is right for the people and why has he accomplished more in his first year (undocumented by your media or the net) than almost any other President since President Roosevelt?

What you are hearing is just the constant complaints from people who have no patience, who expected Obama to arrive bearing a magic wand with which to change Washington overnight. When that didn’t happen, they forgot their promises to him and started blaming him instead, it’s easier that way.