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SueInCa
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Well I can see I missed some lively conversation. I have been over in the “write your own blog” area writing for my series on the Christian Right. So I will just say good night to everyone here. And Kalima If you like chocolate, coconut and marshmallow all rolled in to one small candy cup, you would love Mallo Bars or Cups as they are legally called. They are similar to a Cup O Gold that we used to have here in the states but generally were only sold on the east coast, kind of like certain brands of chips… Read more »

Kalima
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I do and I would. Good night Sue and take care.

Kalima
Admin

Instead of speculating on another financial crash over there which would include us in Europe and Asia again too, I would be more worried about the 80% of economic growth in China and their impending or by some accounts, already in progress housing “bubble” and what it would mean to America if China suddenly decided to ask for the return of their loans. As it stands now, it appears that China “owns” almost 60% of America.

http://www.thechinaexpat.com/china-housing-bubble/

kesmarn
Admin

Kalima, don’t you wonder if China wouldn’t be in the same position that American banks are in, regarding their customers’ credit card debt? When it comes to demanding repayment, the answer might be: “Take a ticket and get in line!”

Kalima
Admin

LOL, I could just imagine the Chinese reaction to that line.

kesmarn
Admin

Me too! 🙄

Kalima
Admin

It certainly wouldn’t be “????ok.” It’s supposed to read “Well ok then.”

WordPress wouldn’t print my Chinese characters, they inserted ???? instead, what a bummer.

kesmarn
Admin

LOL! Kalima, the quizzical “????” works as a representation of the expressions on their faces.

Kind of a “huh???” look!

Kalima
Admin

I thought that I would shock everyone with my knowledge of Chinese???? and look what happened, oh the shame! 😳

kesmarn
Admin

Hey! No shame! We are all already fully cognizant of your amazing linguistic abilities!

As far as I can tell, you can communicate in German, Japanese, English and Chinese, right? Any others? I’m jealous!

Kalima
Admin

😆 Your flattery consumes me. As for my Chinese, I spent 2 weeks in Hong Kong years ago, does that count?

Khirad
Member

You’re preaching to the choir. How many times I’ve wanted to insert Farsi and Hindi, I cannot tell you.

Kalima
Admin

🙂 I’m glad that I’m not alone but so annoying and how dare they change it into question marks. How very rude!!

KQµårk 死神
Member

OK now I’m throwing this out there knowing the NWO is a woo woo myth and that we are not socially or technologically ready for one world government but isn’t eventual one world government the only way to really stop war and poverty even though we are hundreds if not thousands of years away from that system?

I guess this is my Star Trek, John Lennon Utopian thinking kicking in on this one.

Kalima
Admin

That would really depend on who’s in charge of the apple cart. It could either be a good thing or a “Mad Max” type of thing and I doubt that with so many differing opinions alone just in one country that it would ever work without fighting or wars without compromise, and we know how hard that is.

P.S.
It might just work if we were all high, all of the time. 🙂

Khirad
Member

@ P.S. – that isn’t such a bad suggestion, regardless. 8)

Kalima
Admin

Was that a P.S. to my P.S??

Khirad
Member

It was in response to it. 😉

Kalima
Admin

Great, but we’d never get a thing done. 🙂

kesmarn
Admin

Maybe that would be a good thing, Kalima! Idle hands have created plenty of mischief!

escribacat
Member

Uh, what were we talking about…?

Kalima
Admin

Yes kesmarn and for some reason I just had an image of the GOP Senators asking to be excused from the floor of the Senate to look for snacks while giggling at every word spoken.

I’d pay to see “old Misery” Boehner smile for once. 🙂

kesmarn
Admin

Kalima, his man-tan might crack and shatter and fall to the House floor. That would make everybody smile. 😆

Kalima
Admin

😆 kesmarn, “man-tan” precious!!

KQµårk 死神
Member

Ouch “Mad Max”! Now that’s a bad picture.

Kalima
Admin

I know but it could be something which might happen after oil fields across the planet are running dry and there isn’t enough source of energy left for the people who might have survived a global disaster.

I found those films extremely disturbing because I believe that this could happen in the future unless all countries work on alternative energy and growing enough food to feed their population.

SueInCa
Member

If the bankers of the world were not involved, it might be a nice thing, one race and that is mankind……………….

Khirad
Member

It’s also a tenet of the Bah

escribacat
Member

If we ever encounter beings from another planet, we’ll have a world government in about ten minutes.

kesmarn
Admin

Heh. e’cat, I think we were typing at the same time. I was just a little more windy about it! 😀

escribacat
Member

Hehe. I’m a minimalist!

KQµårk 死神
Member

Depends on the nature and time of that contact.

Kalima
Admin

You’ve started something now K. I’m about “to venture to a place that no other woman has dared venture before” my kitchen, where I will try to cook some lunch.

See you in a bit.

KQµårk 死神
Member

Yup woman have found the miracle drug that makes them 50% smarter then men called estrogen. I know you’ve heard that one before but just saying.

Kalima
Admin

Yes, I’ve heard it before 🙂 but my Japanese hubby won’t believe it. It’s not a thing men should believe over here, they might lose face or something.

Silly really, I’m awfully good at finding things.

kesmarn
Admin

I guess I would say that one world government would probably be the BEST way to really stop war and poverty, maybe not the only way. I have a hunch that just about the only thing that would get that accomplished in the next few millenia, though, would be a massive, imminent and totally terrifying threat from the outside. A threat to all of humanity. Then all our petty economic and racial “differences” would have to evaporate in favor of circling-the-wagons solidarity.

Blues Tiger
Member
Blues Tiger

That would be assumming all the religious fanatics, political idealists, tribal leaders and patriotic nationals would actually agree on the threat…
My personal opinion is that the idea that everyone would lay all differences aside to save the Earth or humanity is a flawed theory, based on the historical records of the human race…

KQµårk 死神
Member

I have to agree if it happened now. Actually the movie “Contact”, great book too, would be a much more likely scenario than say an “Independence Day” scenario. The way the countries of the world reacted to first contact would be like scared little children.

Like FrankenPC said I think a species would have to be so evolve socially and technologically for stellar travel that they would most likely be peaceful. Unless they are as arrogant as humans they would think we are ants.

Blues Tiger
Member
Blues Tiger

Have you ever considered the theory that we are the most advanced collection of beings in the known universe?
There is always the chance that we are the best that has evolved so far…

kesmarn
Admin

…What a depressing thought…

🙁

KQµårk 死神
Member

If we are that’s pretty pathetic and a huge waste of space if we are the best the universe has to offer. People do think that but I think that’s based on the arrogant way we always look at our species. Frankly humans still think we are the center of the universe in practical terms. Logically speaking the probability of intelligent life is much higher than the probability of a supreme being. The probability of a supreme being is a null set because there simple is no physical evidence for it’s existence. While the probability that there is sentient life… Read more »

kesmarn
Admin

I suppose I’m thinking of how even the most dysfunctional, devour-our-own families will suddenly close ranks and defend themselves from an outside threat, when that arises. I think humans have that instinct.

Blues Tiger
Member
Blues Tiger

Cher, The only comments I could find about NWO referred to Global Banking and Global Corporations, I couldn’t find any mention of President Obama… So I fail to understand the inquisitioning nature of your line of questioning… 😀

Chernynkaya
Member

BT, I certainly didn’t mean it as an inquisition, but just a straight question.

You replied to Javaz somewhat cryptically. I am just asking what you agree with her about, if you don’t mind stating that, because she made several statements, and I have no idea which you were agreeing with, or if you agree with her about her opinion that –in the context of out discussion about Obama– she said she thought we were fighting a New World Order.

Whether she meant that Obama is part of that, I’ll let her explain. I took it to mean she does.

KQµårk 死神
Member

I think some people fail to understand you need people inside and outside the system for real change. Inside the system is the hardest work because you still have to deal with most of the rules in the system. I know I fought the system from the inside on improving the environment. I use to get the same criticisms by people at my environmental club for working on the inside. But I would always tell them someone on the inside had to put into practice the environmental changes everyone wants. My strategy was simple but effective. I read up on… Read more »

Chernynkaya
Member

KQ Most people are not mature enough to deal with that reality. It is much more emotionally satisfying to blame and slam the door.

having said that, I also– as I think you do– think there is an honorable place for protests and dissent. The important– and tricky– thing is to be sure we are protesting the right target. Those who are working on the inside to fix it are not the target.

KQµårk 死神
Member

I agree we did protest with our environmental club trying to save wetlands from developers. I’m honestly saying I had much more effect on the inside working the system. I have empathy for the people doing it from the inside because I’ve been there and many people on the outside characterize us all incorrectly.

Chernynkaya
Member

Yep, I agree.

escribacat
Member

KQ — I used to work for a bank (a couple banks). I used to travel a lot demonstrating a software system for international bankers who handle import/export transactions through letters of credit. Aside from ignorant people asking me if I could get them a loan, I had this one liberal friend who constantly got on my case about working for a bank. He had demonized all bankers. I eventually came to the conclusion that his brain had been unplugged and he relied only on ideology to do his “thinking” for him. Believe it or not, the vast majority of… Read more »

KQµårk 死神
Member

People who think your profession defines you politics, except in extreme situations, just don’t understand how life works. My wife went to work as a systems developer with in an insurance company because her mother was hassled by insurance companies before her death and she wanted to change things. About half the people she worked with were about improving care and helping people and of course you had the people that just saw the bottom line. She likened it to a constant civil war and the major piece of software she developed was controversial because it actually was worked to… Read more »

javaz
Member

I must go as my husband is sitting outside on the patio, and I really want to spend time with him, but this site is so addictive, and I so love it. I’ve got my mojo back on the blogging thing, thanks to my husband, and he’s never ever blogged before, but he’s written 2 articles here and he drops off an occasional comment. Plus, he’s more into the GROW than even I am. He’s been keeping in touch with that guy who produced a documentary, and my husband’s plans for this site and GROW are even bigger than mine.… Read more »

KQµårk 死神
Member

I thought you started the call for GROW.

SueInCa
Member

Night Javaz
We can disagree here and we do all the time because there are alot of opinions and it never hurts to question. If we did not we would be like the other sheep out there, but at the end of the day, we can sign off with a cordial good nite.

Blues Tiger
Member
Blues Tiger

Have a good night javaz, just so you know your not alone in how you feel about certain things…

Chernynkaya
Member

BT, do you also think that Obama is ushering in a New World Order?

Blues Tiger
Member
Blues Tiger

Thats an odd question…

Chernynkaya
Member

Sorry, BT, but Javaz said earlier that she believed that Obama is ushering in a NWO . So I don’t know what you mean when you are in agreement “about certain things…”

escribacat
Member

That NWO stuff is pretty far on the rightwing fringe.

KQµårk 死神
Member

And leftwing unfortunately.

Khirad
Member

Yup, KQ is right; unfortunately.

escribacat
Member

Where left meets right. Very interesting. I’m thinking of several posters over yonder with whom I’ve exchanged some nasty posts. For them, Obama is a “colluding criminal,” which seems ridiculous to me. Are these the same folks?

Chernynkaya
Member

I’d guess they are e’cat. People who believe that are every bit as bad as the far RW in my opinion.

escribacat
Member

Cher — I agree 100%.

Khirad
Member

Hmm, I missed that. I guess, I’d like to know in what context, to fair. Like, seriously meant?

Edit: I caught it below – I think it was an honest mistake to bring up.

Chernynkaya
Member

Read it and decide. Maybe I am wrong. I HOPE I am wrong!!

It’s on the Vox Pop or OT thread at 1:38 PM

Chernynkaya
Member

How can one make an honest mistake if one is stating what they believe?

Kalima
Admin

Oh God, does this mean that I have to buy more rolls of tin foil??

SueInCa
Member

You can get a good deal at the dollar store………..both the sheets and the rolls, you get variety

Kalima
Admin

😆 I’ll send you a check to cover it, plus shipping.

SueInCa
Member

They also got a good supply of Mallo Bars in this year, yummy. I had to order them on the internet because they usually do not have them on the west coast. Now I have a supply in my freezer

Kalima
Admin

Talking about ordering stuff, I just received my PlanetPOV t-shirts, it only took a month, I thought they had ended up in China. They are very well made but a word of warning, I like my clothes roomy because of painful shoulder joints, the L size wasn’t as roomy as I thought they would be, just in case everyone else decides that they would rather not squash and flatten their attributes/assets 🙂

Mallo bars, am I missing something good?

SueInCa
Member

Cher
I think it is strange that was brought up. I do not remember him ever saying that. Now Bush 1, Clinton, and others yes, but I have never heard Obama talk about it. Maybe I just missed that. The first pres to talk about it was Woodrow Wilson………….

Chernynkaya
Member

I am referring to a comment Javaz made this afternoon. I thought that’s what BT meant. I would like to know if anyone else feels that Obama is part of a NWO. I am upset about it.

escribacat
Member

Cher, I don’t even know any conservatives who think that.

Kalima
Admin

Of course he’s not otherwise why is he trying to change your country for the better, why does he care more about what is right for the people and why has he accomplished more in his first year (undocumented by your media or the net) than almost any other President since President Roosevelt? What you are hearing is just the constant complaints from people who have no patience, who expected Obama to arrive bearing a magic wand with which to change Washington overnight. When that didn’t happen, they forgot their promises to him and started blaming him instead, it’s easier… Read more »

SueInCa
Member

No, I knew that I guess I was not clear, I think the whole thing is ridiculous and cannot figure out how that deduction was made by Javaz. I guess I will go back and try to find her reasoning

KQµårk 死神
Member

Here is a good article from The New Republic pointing out in detail the big difference between Dems and Repubs on HCR.

http://www.tnr.com/article/politics/sink-or-swim

Sink or Swim
The GOP

SueInCa
Member

McShame said it all at the second debate, HC is a privilege, not a right.

KQµårk 死神
Member

Yup Republicans only want HC for the privileged in this country.

javaz
Member

If it helps you to feel better and vent your anger against me because you think we disagree, then feel free.

But if you’ve ever read anything with an open mind that I’ve written here, you would recognize that we agree more than we disagree.

Broad-brushing people and labeling them is so unfair, and this is supposed to be a site whereby we are supposed to have the ability to disagree with respect for each others opinions.

KQµårk 死神
Member

Oh please you were the one that came in with all this negativity and ridiculous claims. No we don’t agree that Dems are just like Repubs. That’s the type of apathy that got us Bush for eight years. Where were the teabaggers when Bush was in office? No teabaggers are happy to vote Republican for almost 30 years which got us into this situation, despite going against their self interests. Now when an African American is president and God forbid wants to change things and give more people access to healthcare, then they speak out. I don’t have to label… Read more »

javaz
Member

You are preaching to the choir.

You WAKE UP.

Accept it.

The politicians we have are the best that can be bought and paid for, and hell yes, that includes Obama.

KQµårk 死神
Member

Here goes the aggressive side again.

Huh who can say we agree with something I never said?

If Obama was “bought and paid for” he would just give up on HCR, climate and energy, immigration, etc…

If you are so convinced of that I disagree profoundly.

javaz
Member

I’ve a question before I address your post –

Who are you thinking is the aggressor?

You or me?

I want to think it’s going to be me.

And with all due respect, in my very humble opinion, Obama is talking the talk, as are Democrats, but they are not going to deliver health care reform as YOU and I would like to see it, but they are going to bow to the corporate masters and deliver.

KQµårk 死神
Member

You are being passive aggressive like I said. You said we agree when we clearly don’t. It’s still a classic passive aggressive tactic used by people to control a debate. I’m being honest and passionate which is quite a difference.

I’ve taken exception with two things you said and you still have not backed them up.

How are Dems and Repubs the same?

How is Obama “bought and paid for” when all the evidence is opposite on the biggest issue he is pushing?

javaz
Member

May I say again how wonderful this site is, in that we can discuss things?

I especially enjoy discussing things with Cher, because she challenges me, and we are on the same side, but do disagree at times.

I love the discussions regarding religion with Cher, because Cher, you have taught me so much and you always make me reach deeper inside myself and think.

We are discussing politics this time around, and my head is starting to hurt from trying to think!
LMAO

What is the other thing people should never discuss?
Is it money?

I suggest that topic next!

😆

javaz
Member

Okay, let me say that I have not lost hope in our country or Americans. But I agree with AdLib when he says we are facing WW3, and this war is against the New World Order. When Bush Sr. stood in front of the cameras all them years ago and said something about a thousand lights, and kinder, gentler nation and it was the first time that I heard that expression – New World Order. I knew at the time that that didn’t sound good and did not understand what he meant, but I think I understand it now. Global… Read more »

Chernynkaya
Member

New World Order (conspiracy theory)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_World_Order_%28conspiracy_theory%29

I am sorry to hear that, Javaz.

javaz
Member

I knew someone would bring up the conspiracy theory regarding that, but didn’t Bush Sr. introduce that term?

Am I wrong in remembering that?

Chernynkaya
Member
javaz
Member

Cher, I’ve read them, and I guess that I wasn’t being clear as I feel as though I am under attack now, and I cannot express my regret or how sorry that I am to have even brought it up.

I just hate this crap and so I will bid you all a good day, and hope you all have a great weekend.

Chernynkaya
Member

I don’t think you are being under attack. You said this site is a place to respectfully disagree, and it it. That means I can respectfully DISAGREE though. It doesn’t mean that every disagreement is an attack.

javaz
Member

Cher, I wasn’t referring to our discussion on the attack thing, and anyway, I logged off and talked to my husband, and he challenged me in asking me – “What are you? A big baby? You can’t handle someone disagreeing with you on the Internet?”

DOH.

Damn.

My husband spoke the truth, and so I am back, and prepared to finally stick up for myself and my opinions!

LMAO

javaz
Member

There was something else that was brought up last night during the Vox Populi that sort of bothered me. I think there were two people who said something about urging their sons to leave our country and head for Canada. One of the sons explained that it wouldn’t matter, because what’s happening here is happening everywhere, and that son was absolutely correct. I would ask anyone considering moving to another country if they have actually lived in another country and became fully immersed in a different culture. We lived in France for 2 years, as you all know by now,… Read more »

Hopeington
Member
Hopeington

javaz, your 2cents made a lot of sense.
I am very happy I was born in America.

javaz
Member

Thanks, Hope, and I wish you a good day and hope to see you soon when you can stay longer!

Hopeington
Member
Hopeington

Sooo hard to leave, I know I don’t have as much time to be here as others but this is still my favorite place to go. I honestly enjoy,appreciate and look forward to your POV.
See ya later.

Khirad
Member

I tend to agree. I’ve never had the experience of living in another country (and in fact would love to), but I am an American first and I don’t like the idea of giving up on it. However; I’ve talked about leaving to Canada many times in jest when I get frustrated with her!

javaz
Member

You guys had an intriguing Vox Populi discussion last night and very thought-provoking. I too fear more violence is on the horizon and that we are on the brink of a repeat of the summer of ’68. All it will take is one city to erupt, and then the domino effect will occur. People are angry and the anger is growing daily and FOX and the GOP are not helping in fueling the fire. They’re trying to steer that fire against President Obama and the fear of socialism, but if riots do break-out, it’s going to reach beyond that, imho.… Read more »

kesmarn
Admin

Good morning, j’avaz…or rather afternoon, now (12:20 here). I can’t imagine what you’re referring to at the end of your post! That room was in perfect order when we all left it. Someone must have sneaked in there after Vox Pop shut down and had a party. I can’t think of any other explanation. 🙄 As for the dearth of intelligent candidates for office that you mentioned, I wonder if part of the problem is that every candidate’s background is so closely scrutinized that qualified people are unwilling to run that gauntlet. If you have sought treatment for depression or… Read more »

PatsyT
Member

It was that Canadian Womans Hockey Team they had cigars !

SueInCa
Member

Good thing I wasn’t there last night Javaz. Last time I was busted for MaryJane was in high school and I promised my mom I would not puff or pipe it again. Imagine her shock that I did not keep my promise.

SueInCa
Member

BTW Javaz, I think Michael Moore is totally correct. 700billion did not even begin to cover the losses in the mortgage market and those properties are not being sold unless it is too investors who are buying up huge chunks of properties in our cities. It is another facet of the middle class getting screwed. The Fed is resisting an audit for a very good reason. Those trillions they are holding are not backed by anything other than paper and the Chinese. At one point in the derivatives scheme there was upwards of 595 trillion floating around in the market,… Read more »

javaz
Member

Hey Sue! Have you seen this article from alternet about the Oath Keepers? His belief that that day is imminent has led Pray to a group called Oath Keepers [1], one of the fastest-growing “patriot” organizations on the right. Founded last April by Yale-educated lawyer and ex-Ron Paul aide Stewart Rhodes, the group has established itself as a hub in the sprawling anti-Obama movement that includes Tea Partiers, Birthers, and 912ers. Glenn Beck, Lou Dobbs, and Pat Buchanan have all sung its praises, and in December, a grassroots summit [2] it helped organize drew such prominent guests as representatives Phil… Read more »

SueInCa
Member

Oh jebus Javaz, you sure know how to get my dander up. No, I had not read about them except I have heard the name here and there………… but now they are on my list as well.

javaz
Member

It’s a fairly long article, and I’m only on the third page, but it’s chilling if it’s true.

SueInCa
Member

Ok Ok Ok, Javaz, you got me. I am bookmarking it right now and will read sooner than I planned to LOl. You know I am just kidding with ya.

bito
Member

nellie left a link the other day that led to along story in both Mother Jones and the NY Times on this group. Pretty scary group and they are armed.

javaz
Member

They consist of trained military people, if it’s true.

Hiya B’ito!

Think we’ll get that rain, and possible thunderstorms with possible hail tomorrow?

I’m hoping!

bito
Member

Hey, j’avaz, Yes AZ can always use rain but it is hard on both my bones and my solar clothes dryer. Some of “rivers” are still flowing in Tucson from the last rain and snow melt. Some of the roads by the shack are still closed.

PatsyT
Member

Gilly has been removed Hmmm
this is it with Music
Sorry
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AD6IiJdVWg8

PatsyT
Member
Khirad
Member

I love the music! LMAO!!! It makes it even better! Was that Rosario Dawson?

Raaawwwwwwrrr!

PatsyT
Member

Rosario ? Yes I think
More Gilly here
beware if children see this they will imitate endlessly
http://www.nbc.com/app/search/?searchString=Gilly&searchSubmit=

PatsyT
Member

Then the name is meant to be