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AdLib On November - 20 - 2009

sheep-cliff1 copyThanksgiving is less than a week away but here at The Planet, every Friday Night is a holiday from the week’s “adventures”.

As usual, we encourage members to give that other site the day off today though if you do go by there, please don’t hesitate to invite others there to join us today and tonight.

Right here at The Planet tonight, we will as always host a music thread to listen to and share lots of wonderful music videos with your friends and colleagues (as well as chat about anything and everything).

And also tonight, we’re excited to present the debut of “The Weekly Planet”, our live roundtable with humorous and thoughtful discussions of this week’s news, .ย  It begins tonight at 7 pm PST on the page of the same name (which you’ll find under “Live Events” at the top of the page).

For your convenience, here is the link to “The Weekly Planet” page:


As with Debate Night Live, the live chat system does give access to all Authors so we really appreciate your allowing just tonight’s guests to enter comments. After the event, we will move to a related post for everyone to chat about the event and the topics that were discussed.

Hope to see you there tonight, should be fun!

Categories: Featured, Humor, PlanetPOV

Written by AdLib

My motto is, "It is better to have blogged and lost hours of your day, than never to have blogged at all."

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  1. kesmarn says:

    Argh! Sounds as though I missed a great discussion on the death penalty. Got in later than I expected last night; and then, when I checked in here, I seemed to be having technical problems that made everything slllloowwwwww dowwwwnnnn. Finally--poof--my planet vanished entirely. I took it as a sign that it was time to call it a day. Sigh.

    And--wouldn’t you know--it’s back to work today. Sigh x 2.

    Have a wonderful day (evening), all Planeteers…

  2. Kalima says:

    A reminder that Morning Blog will be open for comments from 5am EST until 9am, when it will be moved to Speakers Corner for the day. Everyone is welcome, see you there.

  3. Khirad says:

    The slowness has finally gotten to me, and I’ve a book to get back to.

    Gute Nacht.

  4. FeloniousMonk says:

    Well, I’m out of here for the night. I’m getting slower than the server! Good night people.

  5. KarateKid says:

    Well, I’m nodding off so I’m going to check out for tonight. Good night, everyone.

  6. BigDogMom says:

    Evening all, I see I missed the debate, once again….can’t seem to stay awake, 12:15 pm here in a very dark CT….how’s everyone?

    • escribacat says:

      Hello, BDM.

      • BigDogMom says:

        Hey e’cat, how’s the skunk smell, has it dissipated much?

        • escribacat says:

          Hi BDM. Yes, it’s much better, though when I leave the house and come back it’s suddenly a lot more noticeable. I handled it better this time — last time it took weeks because I didn’t limit where the dogs could go and didn’t start treating them until the next morning (I didn’t have the right stuff). This time I knew what to do!

          • BigDogMom says:

            Friends suggested using a plain douche, the vinegar in it cuts the smell faster, then bathing them with regular dog shampoo.

            Have it on hand, haven’t had to use it for over a year, but the young one, Win, chased one the length on the yard last week, didn’t spray him, thank god…he’s such a noodlehead, didn’t know what he was chasing, the big guy, Rudd, just laid on the porch, probably said to himself, “Been there, done that”!

            • escribacat says:

              Lucky you. I wonder why my knucklehead greyhounds didn’t remember that they got nuked in the face only a few months ago!

              I have to laugh at your use of the term “noodlehead.” My ex BF used that to describe all the young white “rastafarians” (with dreadlocks) who live in the mountains around here during the summer.

            • BigDogMom says:

              “Noodlehead” or “Noodles”, for short, is none too bright, he’s young, 15 months…The Big Guy, Rudd, got blasted in the face last year, won’t go out after dark unless one of us is with him. We have to stand on the porch and clap our hands before he’ll come down. Smarter than the younger one!

              and yes that is a great discription of white rasta’s! Blondes I supose…

    • AdLib says:

      Doing well, hope you are too. You can always pop over there to skim through it.

      • BigDogMom says:

        I saw that, still a little confused on how you go on a live chat, maybe if I ever stay awake for the next one someone can walk me through it.

        Hey did anyone see that Sister Sarah walked out in the middle of a book signing yesterday? the youtube video of the angry mob was posted at HP this afternoon.

        • Khirad says:

          Lawrence O’Donnell covered it filling in for KO. Kofinis couldn’t keep a straight face!

          Also, the montage of all the comedy bits this week on late-night had me in stitches.

          I managed to fully boycott HP today as I’ve done except for like 3-4 weeks now, except for two special-interest articles once when this site was down.

        • AdLib says:

          Nope, missed that (I rarely visit HP anymore). Angry mob of Dems?

          Chat is easy, it’s closed now but when it’s open there’s a text entry box like the ones here for comments to add chat comments.

  7. Bernard Marx says:

    Hello … is there anybody out there?

  8. KarateKid says:

    I don’t know if any of you know Brownforall, a nice young guy but prone to emotional outbursts, but he came back as GuardianForever, a chick, and I hit on her, uh, him. Then, ladynaga figured it out and exposed him. Was I embarassed. LMAO.

    I tried to create another sock but was unable to get it through. I guess there is a way to do that, but I haven’t figured it out. If I ever get banned, HP will rue the day. I have access to three computers and I’ll create hell for them.

    • PepeLepew says:

      I figured her out right away … because she was flirting with both AC and LadyNaga and BrownForAll always did that.

    • Khirad says:

      Brownforall was hard for me to figure out for the longest time.

      • escribacat says:

        Yeah, he seems a bit obsessive.

        • Khirad says:

          That would be the right word. There’s another who is a bit of a spaz, too -- I’m totally blanking on names tonight, oh yeah GOPsteals. The ones with the bad spelling and grammar always embarrass me a bit, elitist that I am. Still, if they make a good point or have a decent rejoinder here and there, I’ll fan them. I think they’re nice guys all the same, but can become a little bothersome.

          • escribacat says:

            LOL. I’m an English major and this drives me crazy. I often correct the spelling of trolls just to be annoying. It’s a major effort for me to resist doing it to some of the leftie posters. There are some pretty bad ones! One guy I’m thinking of probably writes at about a third grade level — obviously sounding words out with *very* creative spelling. And these are pretty simple words too. Yikes.

            • Khirad says:

              OMG -- is not that urge to correct them powerful?!!

              I love mocking the righties with atrocious English with suggesting ESL classes -- no offense to those in ESL!

            • escribacat says:

              LOL. That’s pretty good. I think I’ll use that one in future if you don’t mind!

    • escribacat says:

      I’ve created several extra sox. You just need a new email address. Monk says it doesn’t even have to be a real one. Was that the problem?

      • KarateKid says:

        Yeah, I tried setting up Mr_Miyagi, but it didn’t get approved even though I used another email addy. I haven’t tried lately, maybe I did get it through. I’ll double check. But I guess that sock would have been a dead giveaway so maybe I’ll try another one.

        • FeloniousMonk says:

          OK, here’s my techniques. Work MOST of the time.

          I start out clearing out my internet cookies, ect on the browser. This is having started on a neutral page, like my search engine (which isn

  9. AdLib says:

    Tonight’s discussion was very interesting when discussing the death penalty and Osama. Though I would want him dead if he’s not already, I wouldn’t favor giving him the death penalty, life in prison instead.

    • Khirad says:

      I’m sorry I missed that part of the discussion. I have a direct example on why trying him is good for America. In the wake of post-election turmoil, Iran has recently sentenced five people to death, no names released, vague accusations like the “enmity towards God” (moharebeh ba-Khoda) thing, with no defense, in camera. Sorry, but nothing tells that regime to shove it up their ass like an open trial and the upholding of the TRUE American way -- as the IRI is OBSESSED with Western hypocrisy. For anyone who doesn’t see that as plain as day, well, they have something stuck up their asses as well.

      I’m against the death penalty in principle, but I won’t shed any tears over a needle in KSM’s arm, either. This is one of those times, where while I could live with him suffering the rest of his days in supermax solitary easily, I’m not particularly opposed to state sanctioned murder for his level of atrocity. ‘Tis true that it’s a shame Obama has bloodthirsty ‘Murkans to assuage, preemptively undercutting them strategically, though. Lord knows we can never have a rational discussion about the visceral underpinnings of institutionalized vengeance.

      • escribacat says:

        Khirad — that is one of the best arguments I’ve seen in favor of a civilian trial for these guys — not just proving to the IRI but to the world — and to ourselves — that we are still a nation of laws and not hypocrites.

        • Khirad says:

          Yes, it just happened to dawn on me when on a thread dealing with the Iranian sentences earlier this week, but was meant to demonstrate a much larger point, as you say.

          We often speak of our nation’s ‘moral standing’ in the abstract. It is useful to have a specific instance to drive it home.

      • AdLib says:

        Your point is right on the money!

        America is in the same category of Iran and Iraq BECAUSE we still have a death penalty, the only industrialized democracy to have one.

        No, I won’t be protesting if KSM is put to death but I don’t agree with it.

        As you say, if we are trying to distinguish ourselves as civilized, having official state sanctioned killings ain’t the way to go.

        • Khirad says:

          Actually, you’re dead on (any pun so not intended) for bringing up the list of Death Penalty countries and our sorry position in it.

          Whether or not we sentence him to death is not a concern to their hypocrisy barometer, though I’m sure its people would take notice.

    • escribacat says:

      Death penalty is a tricky issue for me. I think it degrades the society who uses it, but in some cases….just off the bastard! I’m thinking people like the BTK killer and Ramon Salcedo (if anyone from CA remembers him). I think Osama’s already dead but if we found him, I’d say keep him alive — that would be worse for him. I’m not sure how I feel about executing KSM.

      • KarateKid says:

        I don’t think he should get the death penalty, that is what he wants, to go into AQ history as a martyr and symbol for future terrorists. He should get life without parole, then put into a max security slammer, isolated from the world for 23 hours a day, in a stark cell with nothing inside. Give him only one book to read, Going Rogue. That ought to make him nuts.

      • AdLib says:

        I totally understand and have the same feelings about wanting the human monsters out there to be taken out, if anyone in my family was attacked, you know I would want blood.

        But blood rage aside, I think it is a natural but destructive instinct with in us that just wants to kill, it’s more primal.

        I think we need to fight that impulse if as a people, we want to move forward. The problem is, you can’t have a society that says no one has the right to take another’s life and have a death penalty.

        • PepeLepew says:

          I am genuinely torn about the death penalty. I’m not wild about it, not at all, but for some piece of scum like Joseph Duncan, yeah, there is a part of me that says, “screw it, kill him. He’s forsaken his right to exist…”

          I dunno. It’s one of those things I can’t make up my mind about. See, I’m not a total bleeding heart liberal.

          • Khirad says:

            I’m with you and escribecat. I have an opinion of the head, and one of the heart. I also would describe myself as someone who is 99.9% against the death penalty, but for some -- and when there is iron-clad evidence, I just don’t care. I don’t particularly push for their death, I think we might learn more from studying them, and with AQ types to deny them their martyrdom at the hands of the infidel is even more degrading to them… but… I totally know what you guys are saying. Plus, with dictators like Saddam, as it was in old times, it prevents them from ever regaining power. I know the Bolshevik argument isn’t particularly progressive of me, and hey, I’m not saying to go after the whole family, but exile, at the very least, is a tricky thing when dealing with a mass-murdering dictator, as is locking them up with a sentence any shorter than life. I know one short guy who came back from a small island to become emperor.

            • escribacat says:

              Good points. I was by no means in favor of the Iraq invasion, but I wasn’t sad to see the end of Saddam and his psychopathic sons — “Caligula and Nero.”

            • Khirad says:

              Ditto on all counts. ๐Ÿ˜‰

        • escribacat says:

          Yes, this is true. I know you are right! But there are still times. …

    • Kalima says:


    • KQuark says:

      Obama? Rush.

  10. Kalima says:

    Mea Culpa to all concerned, I missed it because the Panasonic guy coming to fix our fridge, informed me that I had to remove everything from said fridge. *hangsherheadinshame*

    Promise to read all of it when he leaves and I have put everything back. *runsandhidesinacornerwhereAdLibcan’tfindher*

  11. KarateKid says:

    I invited MonicaAngela to this site and she said she would stop by, Chernynkaya too. I hope they do come here; they are two of my favorites and have chafed at all the name calling which inhibits a deeper discussion.

    It’s getting rarer and rarer that there is substantive discussions there; the trolls are increasing and making some really stupid statements. There are three types: the bloviators like drbillybob and Dave from Wisconsin, the outright provocateurs like Perfect Sense, and the crazy ones like Beejer.

    I don’t consider Andrea Castillo, Ramirez or Flossy/GringoLingo to be trolls. I don’t have a problem with dissenters, and they don’t launch personal attacks. I sure don’t agree with them on anything, though.

    • PepeLepew says:

      KK, but they *provoke* attacks, by saying provocative things, knowing full well that their bait will elicit a response, and they literally feed off that negativity. It’s all a game to make people angry and get people banned. I have seen both of them post some fairly odious stuff at times, not toward other posters, but odious nonetheless. AC in particular and Gringo are both good at this. Ramirez is just annoying. And Flossy is Gringo… (and maybe others)
      The problem is people keep taking their bait..
      … including me. :)

      • escribacat says:

        Pepe, you are absolutely right. For example, I saw a post aimed at glomtt, a delightful person who supports Obama:

        “glomtt, Obama lies. He’s afraid of insulting anyone so he won’t make any decisions. Thoughts?”

        The insults were something along those lines (I can’t remember exactly what but they pissed me off for sure). This post is blatantly designed to piss her off and respond with “fuck you,” which is all it merits. (This post was from AC.)

        • PepeLepew says:

          Yeah, she’s just toxic…
          … anyone that enjoys literally reveling in that kind of negativity constantly has got something seriously wrong with them IMO…

          • escribacat says:

            I agree. It’s sick. The shrinks need to come up with a new name for it. “Perpetual Troll Syndrome” or something. Some of those others really do seem like serious cases — spooky serious.

            • BigDogMom says:

              I do like that description, “PTS”!

              The real spooky headcases I avoid, there was this new I see that is definately a HP staffer…shelly-some numbers at the end I can’t remember…what a pain, up there with acapo.

              My new thing now when I’m there is to keep throwing their statements back at them with questions like, “Why do they feel that way” or “Please explain your stance”. Scared Flossy off with that today with his silly blanket statements about how we libby feminist don’t like Sarah P.’s new kind of feminisism.

            • PepeLepew says:

              I have reason to believe “acapo” is also “Bluesmann” and “Henry Wolffe”

            • Khirad says:

              I use the same method. I’m a fan of snark, but that’s all some of ’em have.

            • escribacat says:

              “New kind of feminism.” What’s that? “Bitchy Cheerleader?” Gawd.

      • KarateKid says:

        You’re not the only one, Pepe. But I’m getting better. I just hit reply, then push the space bar 3 -- 4 times and a blank comment box shows up. More and more are doing this, sort of as a code so we don’t get baited into a banning. Sometimes I wonder if some of them aren’t planted there by HP themselves.

        I pushed the flagged button a hundred times against TheLatestInHosiery and beej was banned yet again. I hated that avatar and was glad to get his foo foo kicked off.

        • PepeLepew says:

          Man, what is it with the weird double posting? I swear that’s not me. Some glitch with this computer, I think.

        • PepeLepew says:

          I’m better than I used to be. Three or four months ago, I would blow a gasket over AC, but I learned to ignore her.
          What got me banned is that “Ron Paul Was Right” said something that was virtually word for word identical to what AC had said earlier in the day, and I pointed it out. She flipped out over it, accusing me of stalking her and saying she was writing an e-mail to the moderater. Then she offed her RPWR account immediately. Then the next day, I’m on time out.
          It was worth it to watch her have a meltdown like that! ๐Ÿ˜€
          What I got in trouble for, really, though was calling Gringo all kinds of foul stuff in French. Really,. really foul, involving broken broomsticks, etc.

      • Khirad says:

        Yes, the are good at baiting, I’ll give you that. Rami is only mildly annoying IMO. Shows up, gives the mod GOP line and tucks out anymore.

        I don’t know if you know MrHands, but he supposedly nailed, aargh, what’s that Truther’s name? -- as Brad by nailing his IP address -- even told me the software to do it myself, if I were that savvy. Anyone done that with the Jekyll & Hyde of Flossy & Gringo?

        • escribacat says:

          Khirad, I don’t get what you mean here. How did MrHands nail someone’s IP address?

          • Khirad says:

            [I had a double post here]

          • Khirad says:

            If I were savvy enough I’d tell you. They had an add-on for Firefox and some other tool that allowed you to see the IP addresses like the Mods can. I thought they were kidding, but they sounded pretty serious about it and gave me a bunch of links including a YouTube tutorial. Look it up if you’re interested. In fact I should look into it myself. Just don’t copy their address in public. That’s what this guy kept telling MrHands to do: prove it. Clearly, he was no newbie… god what is that twits name?! Always writes stuff like “WAKE UP and see the TRUTH!!!” and has a thumbs-up-ing av.

    • Khirad says:

      Beej is insufferable.

      Coyote has settled down a bit the past week, or maybe it’s just me.

      Gringo Lingo is a troll akin to DrBillyBob Dave from Hartfor/whatever, I agree on the rest though, their possible socks aside.

    • AdLib says:

      MonicaAngela did sign up and stop by, thanks for inviting her. Haven’t seen a comment by Chernynkaya yet.

      I have no problem with anyone who wants to debate, just those who want to create unnecessary and childish conflict.

    • escribacat says:

      But sometimes they create sox that they use to post from their “more vile” selves, like AC was posting as RonPaulWasRight — extremely nasty stuff against pro-choice women. The kind of stuff spewed by protesters outside of clinics. I used to think AC was all right but not any more.

  12. bitohistory says:

    G’Night all

  13. KarateKid says:

    Why am I getting a “you already said that message?”

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