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KevenSeven On November - 8 - 2009

HuffNo Friday 01Kids,

I want to reiterate that we had a pretty good Friday, considering the technical glitches.   Actually, I just want to tell you that AdLib’s efforts were heroic and he was turning his efforts away from important professional responsibilities, and doubtless pulled a few long nights to make up for it.    Thanks you, AdLib!

Now, regarding our pending third HuffNo Friday here at the planet: As I have told you before, it is entirely possible to make a nasty dent in their numbers, we have done it before from another platform.   However.    It is critical to not leave until Thursday evening the business of inviting others here.    Please make a point of engaging your friends and drawing them here.

On a slightly divergent note, I invited a blogger with no exposure to Huff, a thinker and lively author, to consider joining us.   His response was to ask why he would spend his time on a blog that was 50% bitching about Hairyanna.

And he has a point.   At some point in the near future I would like to ask you to please consider that simple fact that you are here and not there statement enough of your disregard for Huff.

Besides, the bastards burned my moniker, with 500 fans.    500 fans!   Do you have any idea of how long it is going to take me to build that back up yack yack yack oh woe is me blah blah blah it is just not right snivel snivel snivel they are not fair boo hoo hoo!

Just sayin’.   Let us please have another conversation about how we can spread the word about Fridays, and the rest of the week will attend to itself!

Thank you for your support……

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  1. BigDogMom says:

    Evening everyone, I, BigDogMom have not been to Hufflenuffle Post today…feel no urge…could I be cured?

    • FeloniousMonk says:

      hallelujah, Sister BDM, I think you are heading down the path to redemption!

      I myself sinned today and visited giving cold words to some, such as the FSU golddigger.

      One of my better use of words, if I might be so bold as to say. But I feel bad about being there. I am so ashamed (but not of the comments I made) {wicked smile}

      • bitohistory says:

        That WAS good FM. Without know who you were speaking to I guessed either AC or Flossy.;-p

        • FeloniousMonk says:

          It was AC. She had just suggested that there was no real need to have government at all. She needs to find a good sugardaddy and latch on, because she’ll have difficulty out in the real world.

          • BigDogMom says:

            I wonder if she really buys the stuff she writes..because some of it, like AnnofCa and Flossy, makes no sense and is contradictory at times..that’s why I can’t go back there.

            • kesmarn says:

              Hi BDM, Auntie Christ, FM and everyone else in the room!

              When I imagine AC, all I can think is that she and her cronies are in the College Repubs cave, somewhere in the swamps of FSU. They’re all grouped behind her gaping at the monitor as she taps away her silliness. I suppose there are suggestions that are shouted out from her fan club and huge guffaws if they think they’ve pulled off a particularly witty bon mot. When I think of how much fun I had in college, it strikes me as a very sad way to spend evening after evening. They never seem to tire of the baiting game. (Don’t Repubs ever indulge in the mating game? Just for the sake of novelty, if nothing else?)

            • kesmarn says:

              Sort of a James Carville/Mary Matalin thing there?

            • FeloniousMonk says:

              Kesmarn: Back in the day in my conservative home state, they certainly partook of the “mating game”. But that was nearly 40 years ago before the religous lunacy took hold. I can definitely say that some had some very enthusiastic capabilities indeed. One girlfriend I met was working Young Republicans at the Student Union while I was doing Young Democrats. I was giving her a hard time there and a different one later on. {winky wink wink}

            • BigDogMom says:

              I always wonder what a young girl like her was doing spending all her time at Huff Po when she could be out having a sweet ol’time with boys…like I did!

              But I’ve truly believe after watching on Sat. the proceedings that these Repugs have drunk some mystical potion that brainwashes them into actually believing this crap they spew forth…should never had read Jeff Sherlot’s book “The Family”, now I’m paranoid…

      • BigDogMom says:

        Now see, you made me go there with your link! Oh well, I didn’t read anything other than your comment to AC, so I guess I’m good.

        After wasting a beautiful morning yesterday arguing with my nemesis, ‘I AM ANN OF CA’, I decided that I am wasting to much of my precious time spitting in the wind…

        • FeloniousMonk says:

          If the urge becomes too unbearable, I will loan you my FranNotFromCA sock and you can go at her with it. But it’s better if you just come here.

          We’re like a big pack of dogs here, sniffing, yipping, occassionally looking for alpha male roles (or the female equivelent) and just running around enjoying ourselves. But like all dogs, we’ve got our job to do here examining the issues, and writing about them too!

          • BigDogMom says:

            Well I think I’m cured of HuffNo, thanks anyway. Would like to write something here if I can find the time.

            I’m not as confindent in my writing, drawing and speaking, yes, writing not so much.

            Would like to do something on the Christian Fundies invading our country and government…saw on Biography last night for the first time the movie “Jesus Camp”, then saw on the Joy Behar show that new Christian movement ‘Quiverfull’…this is freaky.

            • Kalima says:

              “Quiverfull” it sort of rolls off the tongue and it tries it’s best to choke you don’t you think.

              I had to laugh out loud, where do they find these names and as I just learned in your post below, it involves women being chained barefooted to the kitchen sink and pregnant. Must be something started by pasty faced old white men or even their wives.

              It so disgusts me and so do the people who preach it and those who are fool enough to sign off on it. Pathetic.

            • Kalima says:

              They really do sound more and more like the Taliban every day don’t they, although they will be the last to ever make the obvious comparison.

            • BigDogMom says:

              Your right, barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen, while being submissive to the husbands wishes and needs.

              This whole Christian Fundy thing is really getting out of hand…it’s weddled its way into our government now and that’s what scared me…not much in the MSM and it should be.

            • kesmarn says:

              Please, please write that article!!

              And tell more about Quiverfull. I’ve never heard of that.

            • BigDogMom says:

              They are building an army for the Lord:

            • kesmarn says:

              I knew of the Duggar family, and that whole concept scares the living hell out of me. Even just from the environmental standpoint, it’s mind-boggling. But I hadn’t heard the ‘Quiverfull’ term. Guess it must come from the Bible verse about “a quiver full of arrows are the children of one’s youth.”
              I think there may be a few people who really are capable of raising large families, but, having been friends with a few people who were the eldest in big clans, I can say that the older kids are the ones who really get the worst end of the deal in that scenario. Mini parents from about the age of 8--lotsa work, not much play time.

              BTW, My son just asks the question: “What is there that is in any way cool about comparing your kids to weapons?” LOL

            • BigDogMom says:

              “QuiverFull” is a Christian Fundamentalist movement that encourages women to go forth and multiply, and boy do they…they do not believe in family planning, birth control or abortion, that each child is a gift from God…

              The TV reality show ‘The Duggars’, the ones with 19 kids, they are Quiverfull followers.

              It has been said that this is the Fundies way of increasing the white Christian polpulation, which is on the decline.

              It’s very interesting and scary at the same time..American Fundamentalism has become a cult..

  2. AuntieChrist says:


    • bitohistory says:

      No, your comment did not go to pending.LOL

    • BigDogMom says:

      Evening AuntieChrist…

      • AuntieChrist says:

        Hi BDM. 😉

        I’ll be damned if I ever figure out how to embed pictures correctly.

        • Kalima says:

          AdLib and KQ know, me, I’m a technofart.

          Good evening Auntie.

          • AuntieChrist says:

            Hi Kalima,

            KQ has made them work for me a couple of times, I never understood how it was done. I see how it’s done in an original posting, but not in a reply.

            • bitohistory says:

              AdLib gave a tutorial on it today. Stupidly I did not copy it. He or K7 have always tuned my words to pictures.

            • Kalima says:

              But…. but….but, I just said that I can’t follow written instructions for the life of me.

              Now what?

            • Kalima says:

              Ah, the comment photo mystery, I haven’t the foggiest, I’m useless with worded instructions. Need someone sitting right next to me showing me what to do, then attempt it myself.

              It took me six months when I joined Huffy to actually post a link and that was an accident but I gained a fan that day.

          • BigDogMom says:

            Morning Kalima, love it ‘technofart’…I guess you could call me that also. Just learned how to retrieve messages from my cell phone and wouldn’t know I dropped it and my husband ran over it with the forklift yesterday! Long story, don’t ask…but we did have a nice day out on the boat, a little cool here, but nice and sunny.

            • Kalima says:

              LOL! Byebye cell phone.

              I’m fine with basic things but if it involves anything deeper inside my computer, my heart starts to beat like a drum and I have a panic attack because I don’t know how to extract myself into the real world again.

              My hubby is even worse, he only learned how to email me from his mobile last year before a trip to London. He is now the owner of my first Mac and seems to have no real interest in learning how to use it after breaking my [email protected] for months about me not needing 2 computers.

              When I tackle him about it he says, “I’m an artist, we are not very techno savvy.”

        • bitohistory says:

          I believe it is in the FAQ

          • BigDogMom says:

            I started to read it and it seemed all about info for submitting an article..I’ll go back a few weeks and check the first HuffNo Friday posts, I think keven and AdLib had instructions on how to do it…not in any big hurry..I kinda like being a non person/avatar…

            • FeloniousMonk says:

              How do I set up an image to appear with my username?
              This site uses Gravatars, which are avatars\images you assign through Gravatar

            • BigDogMom says:

              Thanks Big Guy, I’ll fool around with it this weekend when I have time…Have a new client, so I’ll be busy this week, got to get everything set up for his business before he goes on vaction to Africa…nice…

          • AuntieChrist says:

            Thanx bitohistory,

            I’ll [edit] have to check that out.


            it was a bad weekend.

        • BigDogMom says:

          I haven’t done it yet either, I’ll e-mail AdLib for the directions…I’ll use a picture of my younger dog to keep with the dog theme…

  3. Morocco says:

    I have just discovered your website and I am glad I did. I am sick and tired of Huf Huf Huf Huf Post. You have just won a loyal reader.

  4. javaz says:

    Two interesting tidbits from today.

    Conservatives register teabaggers as official third party in Florida:


    Dr. Tiller’s assassin confesses to killing him to save unborn babies :


    • PepeLepew says:

      We have a teabagger party in Montana. They’re called the Constitution Party. They managed to put Ron Paul on the ballot in November. Even in Montana, he only got 2 percent of the vote!

    • bitohistory says:

      I read the story about the “tea bag party” in FL. this morning @Think Progress. What are they going to do? Split the 18% the GOP has?

      • BigDogMom says:

        My, My, they’re down to 18% now, two weeks ago it was 19%, at this rate they’ll never make it election day 2010! Too Bad…

        • bitohistory says:

          Picky, picky, picky. lol Yes you are correct the poll was 18.9%. 18% was just easier to divide in my feeble brain. I just feel that the GOP may becoming the Whig Party with their purging.

  5. Kalima says:

    I see that the Mullahs are once again overreaching with their paranoia. Any excuse for a knees-up. The 3 hikers were careless but as was the case with the two journalists in N. Korea, it gives the leadership an excuse to set an example and demand some sort of back- room deal in return.

    It seriously makes me wonder just how some countries define their borders, the mind boggles.


    • bitohistory says:

      Are the Mullahs in Iran any different than what the Pakistanis call the Taliban in their country? Takfiris, Common street thugs, extortionists, gangsters….. All in the name of some “purity of the Faith”.

      • Kalima says:

        A few months ago I read an article about an artist living in Lahore. His mother was a prostitute and he was born in a brothel there. He painted portraits of the women there and then the Taliban came to trash and close down the many brothels and even stop him from painting his portraits.

        Guess who were the most frequent customers there, yes the Taliban. Another bunch of religious zealot hypocrites who don’t practice what they preach.

        As for Iran, less than a year ago the “supreme Leader” proclaimed that marrying an 8 year old and having sexual relations with her was their right as men. I read a story not so long ago about a 12 year old dying in agony giving birth, it made my blood boil, I wanted to destroy somebody.

        • KQuark says:

          The Taliban and the GOP have allot in common, don’t they?

        • nicole473 says:

          I hear, see or read something like this, and it never fails to make me cry. I can not, and will never understand how people can treat each other this way.

          I despise the religious zealots.

        • escribacat says:

          Fucking hypocrites.

          • Kalima says:

            The ultimate in hypocrisy considering what they do and have done to people that they consider to be not religious enough for them, and don’t get me started on their ritual abuse of women and girls.

            I doubt that there are many true believers in either the Taliban or the now almost defunct al Quaida, it is just a mask to defeat the West and cause as much terror and bloodshed as they can muster.
            In this respect they are like the Bush gang, their motto is to induce fear tactics and of course they are similar to your Fundies because they rewrite the Koran to suit themselves and their purpose.

        • bitohistory says:

          That’s sick. Plain sick.

          • Kalima says:

            I thought that I still had the link to the 12 year old’s ordeal but I’ve just checked, I seem to have deleted it, sorry. I’ll keep every disgraceful and disgusting story about these abuses of human rights in the future and share them.

            • bitohistory says:

              That word “takfiris” I have only heard used by reporters living in Pakistan. they were all trying to explain their disgust of the “common folk” of their veiw of the taliban. Odd, you never here that word from the talking heads. lol

  6. nellie says:

    Good morning everyone!

    Thanks for this post, Kevenseven.

    I think the Huffngton Post is a phase in the development of the progressive community. And that’s why it gets talked about so much. The internet is relatively new; like-minded people haven’t had this kind of ability to communicate from all around the world. The Huffington Post was the first platform where I posted what I thought. Now I’m likely to do that at Raw Story or McClatchy or wherever. But I developed the habit of forming a more or less cogent post and defending what I said at HP.

    For me, it’s really not about HP so much as it is about two other things:

    (1) Manipulative media that will distort the truth if it feels there’s profit in it. Some people might say, of course companies will do whatever is necessary for profit. But we’re talking about news. News is not a pair of sneakers. News and information are what underlie the health of the democracy. Looking at the way news was used and abused during the Bush Administration to send us to war, this isn’t a trivial matter. HP started out like Raw Story or Truthout — a place where the hidden stories were brought to the front page. And it used that reputation to become a trusted place. And now it uses that trust to distort. That’s not a trivial matter.

    (2) The power of the online progressive community. We saw what we can do with the election of Barack Obama. And everyone else saw it, too. So now, it seems to me that the progressive community is the target of a very well thought out campaign of demoralization and discouragement, and HP has become part of that effort. The endless stories about how disappointing the president is as a leader, as Kalima mentions below, are not about facts. They’re about breaking up the progressive momentum and getting people arguing among themselves. And it’s important to note that HP built its unique niche on its comment section and discussion among progressives. Now it is again using that reputation to create dissension rather than unity.

    So those are my issues w HP. They go beyond that particular site. They are generalizable to the entire media landscape, but HP puts itself out there as a progressive agent.

    This is why a site like this is very important. I’m not sure, but this may be my first comment about the Huffington Post here. I feel like I can get onto the business of discussing the issues here. And I really like the idea of the citizen think tank, where we can strategize.

    So maybe we can come up with a few controversial topics — where the controversy is not manufactured (or silly, as with the teabagger nonsense) — to talk about on Friday, in addition to the music thread.

    • kesmarn says:

      Wonderful post, nellie.
      Although it seems OT, I have to say that the issue of net neutrality figures into the whole picture, too.
      If it weren’t for a relatively open forum on the internet, imagine how easy it would be for the Murdochs and Huffington types of the world to shape opinion. If corporations start to control bandwidth for profit, we’re in big trouble.
      As it is now, the little guy still has a shot at being heard.

    • escribacat says:

      Excellent post, Nellie. The very platform (internet) that created a strong progressive momentum to elect Obama can easily be the same method of its destruction. Post a story with screaming red headline about bankers getting away with their greedfest and how Obama/Geithner are “doing nothing,” you will get a pitchforking session down in the comments. Without fail. I started to feel like one of Pavlov’s dogs.

      Until I started visiting here, Huffington Post was the only political site where I posted. That’s where I heard about PP and annoyance with the site is what brought me here. I hope I won’t spend the rest of my life whining about it but I also hope I won’t start getting grief on this site if I do. I’d like to be able to post whatever I want to post.

    • nicole473 says:

      Very well put, Nellie.

      The heart of the matter for me, and probably most others here, is this:
      “HP started out like Raw Story or Truthout

      • KevenSeven says:

        I never said that Huff should not be a topic of conversation. Try reading a little closer.

        I’m urging that it not be the primary topic of conversation. I want this blog to be other than the anti-Huff blog.

      • nellie says:

        I agree with you in that we need to speak out against this tactic, but I also see the disadvantage in focusing on Arianna Huffington. She’s just a symptom of a broader problem in the media and in corporate owned outlets. Our problem is corporatism, and the fact that it works furiously to take over or knock out anything and everything that get is in its way.

        • nicole473 says:


          Arianna, has, however, painted herself and her outlet, The Huffington Post, with a Progressive banner that is false. This is why it must be pointed to, called out, focused on, at least to some degree. It’s no different than criticizing Fox News, and I daresay we won’t stop doing that.

          • BigDogMom says:

            Hey everyone, Arianna found a void, (the progressive viewpoint), in the new oulets and filled it…this was a marketing coup for her. The only problem she has to play the part of the progressive, and as we have seen in the past months she is having difficulty keeping up this facade. When one spins a pack of lies as she has, sometimes it is very hard to keep the lies straight and not revert back to the truth…

          • FeloniousMonk says:

            I’m always skeptical, but I cannot say for absolute certainty that this was the Queen’s plan all along. But I will say that I’ve watched lots of people gain fame and fortune and become abusive of what the public has given them and believe all of their own press.

            The Queen has lost touch with the reality she may have once known, and has no intent on rediscovering it. I don’t watch her, I don’t read her. And I think that we should make sure that other progressives know that there are those outthere who feel this way and have them think on the situation themselves and make their own decision.

    • FeloniousMonk says:

      Nicely written, Nellie. You want issues? We need to remember that healthcare is extremely important but there are other issues. The homeless, for example. Here is an article about the destruction of the first modern day Hooverville, dated 11/06/09. http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/editorialcommentary/story/D85EBF6B94A0ED97862576660003B095?OpenDocument

      We do face a time when many are facing living in thrown up shacks, if they’re lucky enough to be allowed to do it. And with it will come the authorities helping to “cleanse” the community because others find the sight of the poor as offensive.

      But as I said, I really like your write-up.

      • nellie says:

        Homelessness is such a problem. Living in L.A., you can see immediately when things get worse. We have homeless people crawling through the trash on campus for food. It’s so so wrong. And your article is heartbreaking.

        This country has fallen for the false narrative of “personal responsibility.” It’s a really tough narrative to counter, but it’s a heartless way of thinking. Maybe we can come up with a good sound bite to knock down that Reagan talking point on Friday.

        • nicole473 says:

          Yes, and we can thank the compassionless conservatives for that.

          • FeloniousMonk says:

            “Personal responsibility” is the catchphrase most often used by those who in the world are takers, not givers. And not just because they are competitive, but because they are more primative creatures. I so hate when people dump on others for failings, because, yes, their own actions had something to do with their own situation, but there are a lot of factors which none of us control which may alter that which we have done and take over from it.

  7. Kalima says:

    A little o/t but then again maybe not and some people bitterly complaining about all the things President Obama hasn’t done in only 10 months, good Lord, I had no idea that he was a magician, should maybe focus on the last sentence of this article and take it to heart.

    Btw, this constant “one year on” heading popping up everywhere, is beginning to drive me bonkers.


    • FeloniousMonk says:

      To be honest, I thought we were doing well the past few days before Thursday (?) when our little whiner from HP showed up and got us all into the “HP mode” and it all went from there. We still behaved much better here.

      • Kalima says:

        FM, I wasn’t speaking of people posting here but rather a certain group of Progressives who are beginning to sound as bad as the other side sometimes.

        Excuse me, I have habit of generalizing a lot and when I say “you” I don’t mean an individual but rather a like thinking group of people. Sorry for the confusion.

        • nellie says:

          I agree with you. It’s not the disagreement, it’s the anger that goes along with it that bothers me. I don’t agree with Obama on a whole range of issues, but I’m not questioning his leadership ability. I don’t know where that kind of critique comes from. It isn’t about the issues, it’s a distraction and a demoralizing meme. The leadership efficiency of this administration is remarkable — the legislation that has been passed, the things they have been able to turn around in such a short time.

          To question his leadership is suspiciously like the Rove tactic of attacking the strongest feature a person has. And that’s what I think is going on. And the left is falling for it. It’s very disappointing.

          • nicole473 says:

            Completely agree, Nellie!

          • FeloniousMonk says:

            Some people wanted a messiah, I just want a man with the force of will and capability to get the job done.

            I don’t believe anger serves any useful purpose 90% of the time, I’ve been there.

            Many have just become so used to instantaneous gratification that the concept that it takes time and hard work to achieve serious goals has been lost on them. Many of them don’t seem to have any historical perspective as to how much effort it really takes. FDR did not build the new deal in a day, and not in even the famous first 100 days. It was a long and arduous struggle.

            • escribacat says:

              Will try this again — got a software error before.

              Your mention of the “messiah” is right on. Obama is so charismatic and his election was so stunning, I think a lot of progressives thought we’d instantly transform the country into a socialist nirvana and live happily ever after. But instead of performing more “miracles,” Obama had to work within the system — after all, he was elected, he didn’t stage a coup. This mundane fact has created amazing disappointment — because the expectations were so high. Now certain extremists on the left consider him a “colluding criminal,” because he didn’t produce this miracle.

            • nellie says:

              What a great post.

        • FeloniousMonk says:

          Kalima, there have always been certain groups of progressives who sound as bad as the other side. And not always the extremists. And I don’t know if you mean here or where. Really doesn’t matter.

          I remember the activism of the 1960s and 1970s. Wasn’t always pretty. We alienated a lot of people for multiple generations. But at the same time we forced things to start moving. And some good things did happen.

          I’m rather progressive radical at times but you won’t see it in most of my posts, because I accept some of the “realities” out there. I don’t accept some of the excuses wearing the clothes of “reality”.

          Please remember I’m one of those people that a lot of all this is currently affecting seriously. Out of work for an very extended period, own a house I cannot get rid of in my market (nice house)(even at a loss), and in 3 weeks my spouse and I will not have health insurance and both do have pre-existing conditions. So it’s a little personal for me, not just rhetorical “I love humanity”. And I’ve always been hands on with that humanity.

          So yes, some progressives want it all, but a lot of people will accept breadcrumbs because others have convinced them that’s all that is possible to be gotten. I don’t have the answers. But I’m working on it.

  8. AdLib says:

    I think it’s part of the process of purging that HuffPo addiction.

    I remember going through it quite enthusiastically when I first left HuffPo and could finally express myself about my experiences there. But after a while, the catharsis played out and my focus returned to the important issues that first attracted me to blog at HuffPo in the first place.

    We’ve had an exciting windfall of new members recently, many coming from HuffPo so I think the amount of discussions about it was natural.

    At the same time, many thoughtful articles, comments and discussions have taken place here throughout which also speaks volumes about the membership here.

    HuffPo remains a pertinent topic as does the rest of the MSM with regards to their manipulation of what they report and their agendas behind it.

    Still, it is one of many issues of concern out there and I’m very comfortable that the variety of discussions here have and will become more diverse and intriguing as The Planet continues to grow.

    • KevenSeven says:

      Just sayin’ growing means getting over it.

      Oh, I’ll bitch and piss about Huff along with everyone else.

      I’m just looking forward to the day when it is the minority topic here.

      • AdLib says:

        I look at the articles right now on the front page and think that’s already becoming the case.

        • FeloniousMonk says:

          Huffpo and the real politics there have already become irrelevent for me, anyway. We’ve had a lot of good input here for real sources of data about what is going on out in the real world where people aren’t being spoonfed their politics. I’d rather check on primary sources any day.

          I don’t even read the HP pages that much now. I know some people (real bloggers) who are only found there and so I will miss what they say, but I have no need for the rest of the filtering.

          As for playing with the kids, it’s only recreation there. Here I’m seeing various divergent worldviews and gaining insight.

          Of course, all along I’ve said we needed to move on. That always did include myself, too.

  9. KevenSeven says:

    Just sayin’ that we must have topics more stimulating than the depredations of Huff.

  10. Khirad says:

    It is irresistible to gossip in a safe refuge, but I agree, we should also be self-sustainable.

    • KQuark says:

      Exactly, you can always start a common cause by being against something but to be a self sustaining group you have to be about something.

      Actually the teabaggers are a pretty good analogy what brings them together is opposition but ask them what they are for and they can’t answer you or they just give you pat generalizations.

      • KevenSeven says:

        Don’t call them teabaggers.

        That is insulting. Probably because it illustrates the fact that they are bitching about no taxation without representation at the town hall meeting of elected representatives.

        Either that or because there were no fucking teabags in Boston in 1773. There were no teabags anywhere for another 130 years.

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