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KQµårk 死神 On February - 3 - 2010

OK how did our crack media outlets miss out on this story I found on BBC news?

Like usual our media is obsessed with the sensational stories, faux outrage, and politically motivated opinions instead of real news. It seems it’s much more important that the president reminded Nevadans that they allow gambling in their state than to worry about global security. So obviously it’s just not important enough to our failed forth estate that Israel may not bomb Iran after all.

Iran’s president has said it is ready to send its enriched uranium abroad for further enrichment under a deal to ease concerns about its nuclear programme.

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad told state TV that Iran would have “no problem” if most of its stock was held for several months before being returned as fuel rods.

Correspondents say that such a decision would be a major shift in Tehran’s position.

The US said that if this was a new offer, it was “prepared to listen”.

Last month, diplomats said Iran had informed the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) that it did not accept the terms of the deal and had instead demanded a simultaneous exchange on its territory.

The US and its allies fear Iran is attempting to develop nuclear weapons. Iran insists its nuclear programme is entirely peaceful.

‘Definitive answer’

The deal agreed in October between Iran, the IAEA and the so-called P5+1 – the US, Russia, China, UK, France plus Germany – envisaged Iran sending about 70% of its low-enriched uranium to Russia and France, where it would be processed into fuel for a research reactor.

Categories: Iran, News & Politics

Written by KQµårk 死神

My PlanetPOV contact is [email protected] Proud Dem whose favorite hobby is cat herding. The GOP is not a political party, it's a personality disorder. Cancer, Heart Failure and Bush Survivor.

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  1. Kalima says:

    I suppose many countries have had their fill of Iran’s broken list of promises, so I’m not surprised to hear that Europe is skeptical about this latest news out of the country, once bitten, twice shy as the saying goes.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/feb/03/iran-uranium-offer-dismissed-europe

    • KQuark says:

      In some ways this reminds me of the Iraq situation. The UN sanctions are moving ahead no matter what because the machinery is rolling. So even if Iran really does want to comply now the UN again is working itself into a corner. I know Ahmadinejad is probably just trying to game the system to delay the sanctions but I’m not sure the West will have a clue when and if Iran really changes it’s mind about militarizing it’s Uranium stores.

      The real problem is this whole thing is being negotiated in public and in this media age NOTHING gets accomplished negotiating with the new media involved.

      • Kalima says:

        It’s more than likely what most countries think it is, stalling. I doubt very much from their previous displays of defiance that they are serious and many countries are agreed that there should be further sanction, Russia was even on board, of course China never is. I don’t think that the UN really has that much choice on the matter when the countries involved have already decided this is what they want.

        • KQuark says:

          China never does anything that interrupts their commercial interests. They are like the Ferengi country now. It’s amazing how China went from Communism straight to capitalist Fascism with almost no transition in between.

          I know the sanctions will go through but to what end. It will probably only end up hurting the Iranian people most and will do nothing to lessen the threat.

          Obviously it’s not near as bad as Iraq, that would be hyperbole. But it just is deja vu all over again the way the West is handling the issue.

          • Khirad says:

            I used what little space in my Democratic Party congressional survey to add -- “No sanctions. Cannot target Revolutionary Guards without hurting people and Green Movement.”

            Your other point on the tragedy of if they really were to be acting in good faith is also what I’ve thought of many times. We’re in a bad relationship, us and Iran, and we keep going through the same motions again, and again, almost out of habit. We’ve already told the other what they’re gonna do and defined them. Seriously, we need an international relationship counselor to stop our mutually abusive codependent cycle. I hate you… don’t leave me!

            And finally, you were spot on. Any meaningful negotiations that we’ve ever had with Iran are in private. Anything you see should make you suspicious merely by being in the media. What we are left with is to discern the smoke signals and scrye the mirrors -- triangulating, as much as possible, what is really going on.

            • Kalima says:

              I think that the U.S. said that if Iran were serious in their offer, they would be prepared to listen. Europe who has been much more involved from the start are seeing it as another “smoke and mirrors” move and have had much more experience with one on one negotiations with Iran in the past few years.

          • Kalima says:

            Quite frankly I was upset when they were allowed to join the Security Council only to become the country of “NO” like your GOP. Look how long they held out with N. Korea, they blocked the other 5 countries every step of the way because they were more worried about an influx of N. Korean refugees than the fact that they had WMD’s.

            Sanctions may not be the best solution K, but what other options does the west have with the Iranian hard liners hanging on by the seat of their pants and the butt of their guns against an ever growing dissatisfaction with the government by it’s citizens, they are afraid to show any weakness now. The west has had years of this hot and cold no resolution talks with Iran so the message to the Mullahs and I’madinnerjacket is clear, if you snooze, you lose.

            • KQuark says:

              I totally agree about China. Like you said they especially hurt efforts by South Korea, Japan and the West in dealing with North Korea. There’s no doubt in my mind that China secretly helped NK with it’s nuclear program.

              You’re right about sanctions as well. It’s really the only “stick” the UN has but I wish the UN knew how to use “carrots” better so the sanctions would not hurt the people.

            • Kalima says:

              Unfortunately in these situations where neither side then gives an inch, it is always a double edged sword and that is why we have the constant breakdowns in negotiations.

              It has been the only viable “stick” for the UN for decades, I doubt if we will witness any change in policy soon, not with so many different countries and opinions involved at one time.

    • Khirad says:

      That echoed to some extent what I was about to post.

      http://www.payvand.com/news/10/feb/1027.html

      Interesting tidbit:

      I think it’s also in part because the Tehran research reactor is actually going to be running out of fuel in 2010, approximately, so the reactor ought to shut down and that’s the only facility in Iran that makes medical isotopes.

      However; the response from Europe as reported by The Guardian is not what mine would have been. The West still hasn’t learned to “speak Persian”. Toy with him back, string him along and put the pressure on him to deliver in the face of fractious politics among his own countrymen. What’s to lose? This is the kind of reaction he counts on. And sadly, they know how to play us like a fiddle (or tar, to fit my point).

  2. escribacat says:

    I’m curious about what prompted this change of heart. I thought Ahmedinejad’s popularity was based on his defiance of the west, so it would behoove him to defy and deny, no matter what (gee, that sounds familiar).

    Not that he is still very popular there, considering what’s going on in the streets.

    • Khirad says:

      The game he plays is much more sophisticated. And, Ahmadinejad has some interesting maverick quirks to him -- I can appreciate his appeal originally and to his continued followers. He’s not two-dimensional; he’s an outsider (well, sort of). A reactionary, to be sure; but paradoxically, a deal with the West could also be seen as a prize for his pr

    • SueInCa says:

      That may be part of the reason. I think with all the unrest there his reputation has been seriously damaged. He knows the unrest has been televised so he knows he is postulating to the rest of the world. It is a good deal to take. He can show by releasing the low-enriched uranium to another state/country that he is truly developing on a energy based platform after all. Or……………..it could be a ruse to take the spotlight off his country while they go about their business. The pendulum swings both ways in my suspicious mind.

  3. PepeLepew says:

    I really would like to hear Khirad’s take.

    • Khirad says:

      I’m waiting to hear from Jalili, Mehmanparast, an aide/mouthpiece close to Khamene’i, or a corroborating signal from a rival political faction -- especially Ali Larijani (who held the post of Jalili) echoing this.

      I remember when the original deal had an air of inevitability and champagne bottles were ready to be uncorked. It was too good to be true. Then a week or two ago, Turkey was floated. The details on this ‘new’ deal were more sketchy and abstract.

      This looks to still be subject to infighting (which is what killed the last deal -- the reformists using it to attack Ahmadinejad, in fact). With Iran I never say never and do hope. I can only imagine what the State Department is considering now. Ahmadinejad also threw in what could be a poison pill -- an offer to exchange Iranian prisoners and ‘defectors’ they claim were kidnapped for our three hikers.

      Ahmadi may be going rogue on this, or he may be floating something. And it may be another calculated move to discredit us as we’ve geared up sanctions, had a spat with China, and deployed missile systems into the Gulf -- thus catching us on our heels.

      BTW, my own little exercise in Rashomon. Compare Iranian semi-state media report of this with HP’s tone:

      http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=117773&sectionid=3510303

      In short, it is not up to Ahmadinejad to accept a deal. The question is: at whose behest and for what purpose is he saying this? I can’t help but feel this is all conspicuously timed as Bahman 22 (Victory of the Revolution Day) is gearing up. Coincidence?

      • SueInCa says:

        Did you read some of the comments on that article? Is that an international news site? I had never seen it before is why I am asking. They have some pretty good coverage globally.

        • Khirad says:

          If you’re talking about Press TV here’s more:

          http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=116834&sectionid=351020104

          http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=117773&sectionid=3510303

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-JgvpyL3co&feature=player_embedded&skipcontrinter=1

          This is who they are owned by

          They’re not all bad, just be aware of spin. I often consult it to see the mood, and compare with spin in Western, primarily American media.

          • SueInCa says:

            Very interesting Khirad. I definitely bookmarked the site. It will be interesting to see their take on things that happen here. And it is owned by Iran State TV? Amazing. I might need you as a translator for some stories though, as far as bias might go. Thanks. I am always looking for different news outlets. I like the BBC the best. The Brits are no nonsense people it would seem. I must admit I like different foreign accents too. Might seem to be a strange thing to like, but I do.

            • Khirad says:

              It’s like China’s Xinhua. It’s their answer to BBC Persian. They broadcast in the UK, and came under fire after the protests. Yes, they are owned by Iran’s main propaganda organ, and ultimately answer to the Supreme Leader.

              Read it with care. And they have funny stories on decadent and depraved immoral American culture from time to time, as well. One made me laugh castigating us for our problem with prostitution -- even though certain streets of Tehran are every bit notorious as the West Hollywood strip. During their coverage of World Cup qualifying they cropped out all the green wristbands, etc. It can be quite hilarious. Still you may get perspectives that are valuable as long as you keep in mind at all times it’s Iranian state media, though not as directly controlled as others -- and to read it like you read our media, i.e., between the lines.

      • KQuark says:

        That’s what I was thinking when I first saw the story after reading your previous posts about Iran. He may be doing this for internal politics. Because of your posts we now know his power is very limited in making these final decisions. I really am commenting on our atrocious media. That’s the problem with our media. The experts know his power is limited so on this story they bury it but if he made a derogatory comment toward the US or Israel it would be front page news like he’s the surpreme leader of Iran

        • Khirad says:

          The one positive thing with focus on Iran is that many more are now informed that Ahmadinejad isn’t a dictator. This has made it into the MSM.

          But yes, the media is still stuck on the old narrative. Every new demonstration seems to be a rude interruption to their obsessive nuclear script.

          • KQuark says:

            Many more informed I agree but it’s relative as well. About 5% might have known that before but even a five fold increase means most Americans are ill informed. Let’s face it the GOP fear mongering is targeting the Faux News informed and ill informed voters.

            • Khirad says:

              I’m not gonna dispute that! 😆

              Yeah, according to FOX, Ahmadi is still the next Hitler in every sense.

        • Chernynkaya says:

          William Randolph Hearst’s yellow journalism is alive and well. Warmongers. War sells papers. Corporatism is an evil.

    • escribacat says:

      Me too. Khirad…where are you? {{secret signal}}

  4. bitohistory says:

    I listen to the BEEB on the radio at night and watch it in the morning. This was one of their top stories. US MSM ? Nada! Good post!

  5. Kalima says:

    K, I read about this last night before I went to sleep, so your lazy and dishonest media had more than enough time to pick up this story. Amazing really after all the negatives news about Iran for the last few years. Your media are living in the same bubble they peddle for your citizens and if they think it doesn’t directly affect America and therefore not newsworthy, they are bonkers. Out of sight, out of mind!

    • KQuark says:

      Actually this article was in the margin of the BBC article you linked in the morning blog. BBC News is the only real news I get these days it seems. Fortunately the BBC has a widget I read every day on my cell phone too.

  6. nellie says:

    Excellent, K. This is good news, so of course, it didn’t happen.

    Any success of this administration is buried.

    Anything that would make Americans feel SAFER is buried.

    Anything that would give Americans HOPE is buried.

    We have a toxic, toxic media. I would call it un-American.

    • escribacat says:

      Thank Gawd for the internet — for those of us curious enough to dig beyond the pablum that TV news serves up every day.

    • KQuark says:

      No spin with the BBC article is refreshing as well. Even the AP spins every story now printing headlines like ‘Obama’s words fail to bridge health care divide’. How do they even know yet what effect his Q and A had? But of course the MSM does not want to lose the ad money from profitcare so they spin every development into healthcare reform is dead like they helped kill the public option.

      • Kalima says:

        I rely on the Beeb to tell me the truth. I was going to link it on MB, but sleep got in my way.

        Hope everything went we well today?

        • KQuark says:

          For comparison this is the headline and sub headline for the same story from the BBC

          “Obama seeks to rally Democrats after loss of key seat

          US President Barack Obama has sought to rally Senate Democrats, urging them not to weaken their resolve to see through healthcare and financial reforms.”

          • Kalima says:

            Seems that your media has absolutely no finesse when it comes to headlines or content of story. For them when they milk the negatives for all they are worth, it eventually becomes a Hollywood “B” movie script instead of news.

        • Chernynkaya says:

          Um, Kalima, am I right that it is now 4;22 AM in Tokyo now? And you wonder why you’re sleepy?

          • Kalima says:

            No Cher, it’s 9:27 in the morning here. W coast is 17 hours behind, E. coast is 14 hours.

            • Chernynkaya says:

              Well, there ya go. No wonder I have no clue what’s going on in the world when I can’t even figure out time zones! 😳

            • Kalima says:

              😆 You forgot to say cat hair covered sweat shirt and clawed, holey flannels. As for neat house, I think you must have zoomed into my next door, opera singing, neighbour’s pad. My furry ones can’t stand anything neat, clean yes, tidy, forgetaboutit.

            • bitohistory says:

              Kalima, What store is that on Kitano? What do the sell”?

            • Chernynkaya says:

              No need, Kalima. You look quite fetching in your flannels with that ratty sweat shirt as you type. And we all pick our noses, so don’t feel embarrassed! And I must say, you keep a pretty neat house.

            • Kalima says:

              Hey you two, does that mean that I’m now compelled to brush my wayward hair every morning?

              I’m quite fond of the left side side standing up to attention when I wake up, I’m sure the neighbours enjoy their morning laugh too.

            • Chernynkaya says:

              Thanks, bito-- I bookmarked that. Now we can BOTH spy on kalima! 😉

            • bitohistory says:

              Oh, Dear One, you certainly don’t do that!

            • Kalima says:

              I always have this strange paranoia that somebody is watching me. I hope you don’t zoom in when I’m picking my nose?

            • bitohistory says:

              Cher, I use this site to check on Kalima’s time and weather: http://www.webcams.travel/webcam/1168095069-Weather-Tokyo-Ariake

              I also watch her feed her kitties! 😆

            • Kalima says:

              Time zones are a tough call, you will never know how many friends I have woken up in the wee hours after drinking a bottle of wine. :)

            • KQuark says:

              😆 Kalima you beat me by a minute. I love my plugin on Firefox that tracks Tokyo time so I know when you are usually awake. 😉

            • Kalima says:

              You can see Tokyo time on Skype too. 😆

  7. AdLib says:

    Thanks for this article, KQ.

    It does seem that the MSM marches more to the beat of the RW nowadays.

    If it fits in with the RW’s attacks and allegations about Obama, it’s news. If not, not so much.

    Considering how a nuclear Iran was such a huge issue in the campaign, it is interesting how little it seems to matter that Obama may again have addressed a big “threat” through diplomacy.


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