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Bi-Partisan Solution to Repeal of Obamacare Emerges

How many RWNJ’s would even get to the bottom of the article?

I read the whole thing through, but didn’t see that disclaimer right away either. Someone who bailed at the medical “plan” wouldn’t have, but would have judged the whole article (and possibly the website) as being Fake News.

» Posted By LightningJoe On January 11, 2017 @ 3:32 pm

Can’t reply to the correct comment, so here I am…

WHO ever “called you” an echo chamber? One begins to suspect you are drawing unwarranted conclusions. I only ever pointed to an echo chamber as the sad result of the silo-ing of RW commentary on one hand (they don’t get satire or irony), and the smarter Lib/Prog commentary on the other.

Unmarked satire only adds to that effect.

» Posted By LightningJoe On January 11, 2017 @ 3:26 pm

And I’m talking about the perception of the RWNJ’s ending up here with no notification that satire is within six leagues of the page… To THEM, it will most assuredly BE Fake News, and will feed into the disjoint between the two sides of our culture.

Don’t change a thing, though. Most of all, don’t notify your readers directly (PLEASE no clicking buttons here, gimme a HEADER on the page) that satire is a real risk, when reading the site.

As to what parts of the site I visit, I’ve ONLY connected to your site through article links, never to the homepage. YOU send me the links, I assume you mean them to be used.

“Insults?”

SHOW me an insult I’ve tendered, beyond saying that I want a label on my satire… If you can’t, then stop saying it. At least THIS time, you’ll have an EXCUSE for banning me…

As for my banning, I received lots of links to articles, that took me instead to a page saying I’d been banned from commenting (reading too, apparently), and detailing a procedure for getting myself Unbanned… a procedure that never took me anywhere near a place to make my case.

So, is “banning” a detailed upfront memo from the mods… or is it the fact that I’m kept from logging in, while any effort to get back into your good graces is flouted? If the first, then I guess I’m “not” banned, despite the evidence of the second…

Is that more of your “satire?”

» Posted By LightningJoe On January 11, 2017 @ 3:09 pm

But my “position against satire” exists only in your mind, Adlib.

First off, my concerted attempts to notify you of your nascent problem with the RWNJs should not be taken as an attack on the First Amendment, as you have grandly styled it.

There is literally NO WAY I’d recommend you ending your free expression… ONLY your presentation of it (it needs a LABEL).

I LOVE satire, but NOT at the expense of what’s good for the culture, I’m afraid. To my mind, “expressing yourself” should in times like these take second fiddle to ACCURATE AND TRUE information. And again, YOU are the ones who should be making that distinction, and making sure that WE get it as well.

I’m not saying that you are doing a bad thing here, but it is sadly misplaced, when one considers the cumulative effect, and the current cultural focus on Fake News being a problem (it is, and this looks a LOT like another example of it, to anyone finding your site by “accident”).

But I STILL wouldn’t be posting what I am, if the Fact of Satire were adequately posted somewhere on these pages (and no, I’m NOT talking about in the so-called guidelines that no one reads!).

I’m talking about the real-world consequences of putting up clever (yes) LIES (as the Reich Wing will see it), and calling that a fun thing to do, while the poor RW Droids run around screaming at how Liberals LIE all the time, and put out Fake News themselves (and point to sites like yours as their justification).

In other words, by preserving the marks of Ivory Tower Satire (no overt clues, seeming solidity of content and treatment, a VERY few internal clues in the documents, to give us cognoscenti the satire clues that the rabble will never understand), you aid misunderstanding for no better gain than your own little “better than them” meritocratic superiority.

If that is an adequate payback for you, have at it. You have my gracious permission to do so (that’s satire, duh).

In the old days when each article of satire got days and weeks of exposure to its audience, every piece would (at least eventually) be seen for the clever (or not) commentary it was. (No, Virginia, Jonathan Swift WASN’T really advising us to eat the Poor!) But put up for a total of two minutes’ “contemplation,” before the Next Thing marches into our brains and erases it, the meaning and focus of a piece must be clear from the start, not hidden away in the wrinkles of a hard-to-perceive (for RWNJs) exercise in mental self-pleasuring. Yes, I do realize that such notification steals away some of the pleasure to be found in finding it out for oneself, but remember that pleasure rests on the fact of having that time to waste. We DON’T have the time to waste anymore, is the source of my complaint.

These days, SO many outright INSANE policies are being SERIOUSLY proposed, that one no longer even knows if a proposal is serious or satire, without wading completely through one of them, spending tons of time that could be better spent weeding through real proposals.

Spending our precious time and attention on self-pleasuring satire is not indicated just now. If we spend our time wondering if they really mean a particular outrage, it steals away our very necessary response time to the real outrages.

Here’s what I would advise you to do — with of course no “obligation” laid on you to do so:

Make up a little communication box especially for the RWD’s, that explains in exhaustive depth (at the bottom) the nature of satire, and that your site IS a site where satire is welcomed, and that NO article on the site should be taken literally without close examination. Have that box POP-UP at rare intervals, to get around the “no one reads it” syndrome that user “agreements” have fallen into, or make it a header. I seriously think we need to rub the difference in their faces, or they WON’T get the satire, any more than they get irony.

After all, I myself have fallen into the trap I describe here, though I am in no way Reich Wing (or (duh) a Trumpian). Time after time, I open up a mail, see a seemingly serious bit of news (and note, that the ones just “a bit off,” for the purposes of satire, are enough off to make a person wanting to keep up click on them). So time after time, I click through, only to find that the “bit off” came from someone’s fevered imagination, and has little to do with the actual state of things. IOW, I’ve been blindsided, my time has been claimed, by false-flag attacks on my personal mental database, that repeatedly send me scrambling to find out if Trump REALLY wants Medicade For All, or whatever the Next Joke is…

Result: five to ten minutes I wish I had back. Time after time after time. And all because no notice was given, that I shouldn’t seek REAL information on your site.

Result Two: the final realization that NOTHING on Planet POV is worth my time, because I can’t count on ANY of it actually being true, despite that it’s being presented as if it were (Fake News!). I just no longer see any net benefit to telling clever lies that take time and attention to sort out from reality. There is enough reality out there already, that has to be dealt with. RUNNING AWAY FROM IT THROUGH SATIRE is a preoccupation that I can’t see the benefit of, beyond telling ourselves how clever we are.

So enjoy your satire, but don’t expect me back. I’ve got better things to spend my time on, now that I’ve TRIED to enlighten you as to your problem.

I mean, WHY are you here? If it’s only to laugh, then kindly let the more serious thinkers among us know that from the start.

» Posted By LightningJoe On January 11, 2017 @ 2:53 pm

“(The POV after Planet stands for Point of View)”

Well, duh…

“How on earth is this “Fake News?””

How on Earth is news news? It is news because of WHO it is read by. To someone who already knows the issues, news may not BE news, but rather “old news,” a different thing entirely, to the person reading it.

So with fake news; it also depends on who’s reading it.

“The last thing we need it to be dictated to on how to run our site and what we can or cannot publish.”

Did I tell you not to publish? Did I tell you not to satirize?

Actually I’ve felt this way a long time, but when you guys “banned” me not long ago, and for doing (literally) NOTHING at all (NO posts, mind you), well it did stick in my craw a bit, so this time I’m letting you know how I felt about that, before I get run off again for no reason… well at least this time you’ve got something you can tell yourself is a reason.

» Posted By LightningJoe On January 10, 2017 @ 3:50 pm

“If they don’t understand satire, my instinct is to satirize that.”

Echo Chamber Alert! (sirens and lights)

We need to discourage echo chambers, not cater to them.

» Posted By LightningJoe On January 10, 2017 @ 3:38 pm

No, I’m NOT being “even more satirical.” I’m being what you might not be looking for: serious about communication.

Communication has a role quite other than just letting individuals spout off. It has a critical CULTURAL role as well, and that is where the levels of ACCURACY and TRUTH matter a lot.

No, I’m NOT supposed to be here, if this site is all about satire.

Trouble is, there is nothing ON the site about it being all about satire. It presents as if it is a site where events are dealt with responsibly.

Now that may be just part of the satire, but it’s a sad day if it is…

» Posted By LightningJoe On January 10, 2017 @ 3:11 pm

Your argument, however, looks like an exercise in how to put together an echo chamber!

When I protest at the worse aspects of catering to the smart — at the EXPENSE (shall we say) of the LESS-smart, you tell me to move along and leave you to the enjoyment of your fun meritocracy… NEWS: just because the less-smart are not so smart, it DOESN’T mean they have no power. Just look at who is President now…

And I never said I’d stick around anyway. I really have little use for self-reflecting “information” that is only useful for getting a glow on.

I also have little faith in POV in the first place. A while ago, despite my NEVER having posted a comment here in the past, I found they’d banned me for doing something or other (had to have been for LOOKING at them wrong, I guess). Sure, a mistake, I thought; there must be a mechanism for notifying the mods, eh? Not so, the “advice” for handling the situation was nonsensical to the point of uselessness. I guess they must have recovered from that now, but they haven’t become any more of a voice to rely on. Not by far. Laugh at? Sure.

So what AM I doing here right now? I’m letting POV know that what they are doing is not likely to help at all, and runs the hazard of adding to our level of misinformation. Which we do not need at all.

Increasing the level of misinformation adds to the effectiveness of Propaganda. When REAL information becomes hard to find, people will believe Propaganda. POV is helping that process along. Harsh words, I know, but I’m tired of it.

But it looks as though my perspective is not welcome here. Enough said. I’m outa here.

» Posted By LightningJoe On January 10, 2017 @ 3:00 pm

What, with SO many sources competing for our eyeballs? We spend as little time as possible on every source we come to; how are we going to justify taking the TIME to reread a source; a source that will not reveal its “clever” nature until we do that homework?

Satire is (yes) a time-honored practice, and when it works, it works quite well.

I submit that in THIS political environment, it simply does not serve its purpose. What we need now is ACCURATE and TRUE information; not a merry-go-round of more lies, well meant or not.

(in case you haven’t noticed, when one does not comprehend the satirical nature of a piece of writing, one usually takes it for the truth-as-perceived-by-the-writer)

» Posted By LightningJoe On January 9, 2017 @ 3:39 pm

I’m afraid that your “distinction” between satire and fake “news” goes far over the heads of those believing Reich Wing Lies. If the enjoyment that satire gives the more intelligent among us were UNIFORM across the culture it would be different, but the current focus on fake news is TERRIBLE for those who habitually never read the whole article, NOR think about it, and are thus highly UNlikely to see the signs of it being satire.

In other words, in this clime, and for those readers, satire and fake news are one and the same.

You should consider the price of your enjoyment, when evaluating the utility of satire.

» Posted By LightningJoe On January 9, 2017 @ 3:32 pm

It’s not the “difficulty” a sane, smart person has telling one from the other that bothers me. It is the effect on the culture, of having so many sources of information that CATER ONLY TO THE SMART, and leave the lower-scoring proles to their own devices, to tell what is truth and what is lies.

When that distinction is purposely obstructed, as it is in much satire, it sells out those less well endowed with smarts… and ushers them into the arms of the liars…

Sure, I get a minor rush from being able to tell the difference, but that rush is not worth knowing that TONS of Trumpians are going to read it differently, as reflecting the truth.

The ego boost of knowing it is satire while others do not, is simply not worth the blow to our culture from that hit.

» Posted By LightningJoe On January 9, 2017 @ 3:10 pm

POV: One has NO idea if this is an accurate article or not, beyond a couple of small details from the article. Some of the provisions spelled out sound (seriously) too Trumpian to credit, such as the inclusion of the steaks (no longer produced) and the special sample of Trumpian skin cream.

Might I remind you that ACCURATE INFORMATION is the NECESSITY for a culture that values and tries to produce a functional democracy for its citizens. Most citizens are NOT intellectually equipped to sort out the sort of fantasy you bring to the game. One is forced to conclude that the JOKE of putting out false information and laughing at those who accept it as fact, is the real reason you are posting it, not the desire to spread real, accurate, and necessary information.

Fake News is a PLAGUE for the culture and the body politic, and should be ELIMINATED from the conversation. If planetpov continues putting it out, I will take my views and clicks elsewhere.

» Posted By LightningJoe On January 9, 2017 @ 2:03 pm

The Trump Survival Guide – Tips for Surviving the Next Two Years

Some Trump supporters (at least) are certifiably insane, or hopeless bigots (I know some), but there were a lot of people whose votes showed ignorance of the man. Many voted for him BUT didn’t expect him to win. Some of those have expressed regret to me for the “decision” they made.

I think they liked trump SIMPLY because he was the first non-DC personality to run for a long time. Full Stop. People CRAVE direct democracy, see DC as flouting that wish, and will try anything to get it, even throwing the country under the bus.

Remember, that was also why they liked Reagan, because he’d never been in national office (and yes, they fell similarly for his teevee shine).

And they expect Trump’s business sense to cut through the BS… but they forget he only has an attention span five minutes long, and that many if not most problems that make it to the Oval Orifice are truly thorny, requiring MUCH more thought than Trump will be willing to give them.

Sure, they just might expect the Dems to control him, but I assure you all, that means NOTHING in the near term. The ROTpublicans will drive us over the cliff long before the Dems have any chance to weigh in (but then that WILL make the BLAME for it clear to all). They’ve already started, trying to ease their own ethics rules, and setting up a vote to take healthcare that works from Twenty Milliooo,ooon citizens.

It’s enough to make a dolphin give up! So long, and thanks for all the fish!

» Posted By LightningJoe On January 5, 2017 @ 2:35 pm

Top 3 Favorite TV Shows of GOP Candidates

And not one repeat among them. This should tell us that when we are talking about the Repugs, there is no such thing as too many candidates.

» Posted By LightningJoe On November 12, 2015 @ 3:40 pm

Hillary Covers Up Truth of Why Bill Clinton Signed DOMA

“That’s what I believe sets Dems and Progressives apart from Repubs, the willingness to honestly appraise and criticize our politicians when they do the wrong thing or we disagree with their actions.”

No, what sets Repugs apart, is their willingness to believe any old crap their Authorities tell them. As soon as that sh*t hits the fan, Repugs decide they actually like having spotted-brown faces.

To wit, any “honest” appraisal and criticism has been permanently weeded out of their very psyches, by the simple fact of who “has” the Authority in their world-view. Anything one of their Masters tells them IS the truth… until the story changes, and then the new story is the “new” “truth.”

Confused? That’s why they do it that way, dude… keeping track is SO much work and mental effort… may as well just “trust” what your Authority tells you is so…

» Posted By LightningJoe On October 26, 2015 @ 3:10 pm

Republicans Explain Why They Support Their Favorite Candidate

Yawning ignorance. Howling stupidity. Have I missed anything?

» Posted By LightningJoe On September 3, 2015 @ 12:58 pm

GOP to Re-Brand Child Molestation as ‘Mistaken Feelings’

Kalima, I’m not sure it’s fair to blame someone raised in this family, and in their Church, for violating “normality.” Especially if they were only 14 at the time.

I think it is only obvious, that Josh had a warped idea of sexual issues at the time.

» Posted By LightningJoe On June 9, 2015 @ 7:28 am

What’s hilarious about this is that if a (gasp!) Liberal were to propose such rebranding of a crime for the benefit of the criminal, the GOP and FUX Noise would be all over it gasping at the sheer affrontery of the proposal.

But of course Liberals never would propose such a thing. What’s a mystery, is why any Republican would either… Or maybe it’s NOT a mystery; but then one has to assume that they WANT to be able to get away with such things…

Frank “That Word Just Exudes Negativity” Luntz is the perfect man for this job, though… couldn’t think of a better.

“maybe too close sometimes but that’s because we love them”

A rebranding worthy of the New Coke Award… that is, a swift kick in the backside…

» Posted By LightningJoe On June 9, 2015 @ 7:22 am

Watching “Selma” In A Nearly Empty Theater. Why?

This is what happens in end-game social restructuring, as the Reich Wing has been shooting for, for years now.

The attitudes with which the population has been taught to view things (through propaganda in this case) take over; and, even though the REAL lessons are in fact plain to see, the newly-incorporated Reich Wing Droids draw exactly the WRONG lesson from what they see, by referring all observed phenomenon to their “newly” biased way of seeing things.

Sorry to have to say this, but the ONLY way through this now, since we adamantly refuse to stop broadcasting FUX Hate Teevee, is to go through the fire, and come out the other side…

» Posted By LightningJoe On January 25, 2015 @ 12:21 pm

An Open Letter to President Obama: Let Republicans Play with Their Own Boehner

I’d like to cosign also. I registered on your site just for this!

Excellent, hard-eyed interpretation of the usual GOP tactics, dirty all the way.

» Posted By LightningJoe On November 7, 2014 @ 1:44 pm

Republicans to Sue Obama For Not Being Republican

Nonpartay, it’s just that they’ve learned a new tactic, and are sinking all of their hopes in it (yes, sinking).

That tactic is the Big Lie, which they now use because nothing else will work for them. But the Big Lie DOES work, if you continually confuse your low-information base by shuffling in NEW Big Lies constantly, by using the times they tune in to hear the REASONS for your previous confident accusations… to put out the New Big Lies.

If you never stop lying, and keep people in an emotional condition to accept your lies provisionally, but then just keep stirring the malinformation pot around, so that it looks (to a careless eye) to have something at the bottom of it, then the only thing that can stop your water-soup game is if your marks wise up… but that will never happen, if you keep stirring…

» Posted By LightningJoe On November 7, 2014 @ 2:06 pm