Displaying 211 To 240 Of 295 Comments I would have cried and then shot any N@zis there about. » Posted By Jake321 On July 20, 2019 @ 8:13 pm “Go Back to Where You Came From…” Some of them haven’t gotten the message that Trump doesn’t want the moderates and thinks he can win with more of the worse of the worst. He wants to win with only the dregs so he will not be beholden in anyway to any moderating influence as he moves to become an authoritarian fascist ruler. If he wins, he will move from just wanting to be a Caligula to trying to be a Mussolini or worse. » Posted By Jake321 On July 20, 2019 @ 6:33 pm Correct. There really are a lot people who are beyond hope. Worse, they love being beyond hope. We should do nothing to appeal to them for 2020 since they are totally wedded to their God-Emperor who is egging them on. There is no way in just a few years to get to them. They can only be defeated so bad and their cult leader removed for there to be any hope of getting to whatever good angles they might still have. But because they are so rabid best also not stir them too much. Trump is banking on us doing just that so even the ones who never vote will swarm out of the rotten woodwork and vote for the first time. We need to allow him to stir our base and our new voters to the polls without helping him by stirring his base as well. It will be hard and frustrating. » Posted By Jake321 On July 20, 2019 @ 6:25 pm I’ll take being called a crook over Trump getting a second term anyway… » Posted By Jake321 On July 18, 2019 @ 11:12 am There is a really big difference between wanting Trump ousted and wanting to go for Impeachment that has near zero chance of ousting him. At this point the only real chance we have of ousting him is by beating him next year. And again, the bulk of the public and of the Dems who want him ousted are convinced that going for Impeachment now will not get him out and will actually hurt our chances of winning in 2020. » Posted By Jake321 On July 18, 2019 @ 7:06 am Yes, we disagree. As the bulk of the voting public also disagrees with you. I want to get Trump out first. You want to make a principled point first. » Posted By Jake321 On July 17, 2019 @ 6:39 pm I’ve gone beyond being upset and this is just the beginning. Not that we didn’t expect this but it is beyond outrageous when it happens. I think he has seen the numbers that show he has a greater potential for dreg Alt Right voters who usually don’t vote who can be gotten to vote by hate than we have in reaction. I also had noticed he was starting to lose support from the neo-N@zis/White Nationalist types and needed to get them back. Well, Stormfront and the Daily Stormer are back on board. And his ads and links to his campaign website are starting to appear once again on the worst cesspool site, 8Chan. He is willing to give up whatever more moderate Republicans he still had with his vicious attack on Paul Ryan. He obviously gave up the bull crap that he was getting more Black and Hispanic support. And while it looks like he was trying for the Jewish vote with his Israel comments, he knows damn well there’s hardly a Jew in the US who hasn’t also been told to go back where they came from. He was playing to Looney Toon Christian Zionists, NOT Jews. This latest intentional vile bigotry will likely cost him a million votes in terms of voters he losses and new voters we get, etc. unless the Dems F it. So he hopes and expects we will both F it and he will gain way more than a million new dregs who usually don’t vote. This game can work for him if he picks up just 10% of Whites without a college degree who usually don’t vote but are considered potential voters. » Posted By Jake321 On July 17, 2019 @ 2:17 pm Is Appealing To The White Working Class Identity Politics? You are correct, I confused the two of you. Sorry. » Posted By Jake321 On July 30, 2019 @ 7:29 am And how about you? Let’s see, after I in detail describe my support for Universal Health you not only say I don’t support it but go on a bull crap rant in a personal attack on me accusing me of all kinds of bad things. After I note I was wrong about some statement you can’t constrain yourself from continuing attacks as if I hadn’t corrected my claim. I post plenty of references from the likes of the CDC, the US Census, Kaiser, etc. and you go on a diatribe about not liking one of my references but without countering the data in that reference. You seem to like personal attacks, gotyas, scoring debating points and pissing on posts (pun intended). Oh, have you also gone after TOCB for confusing my posts to you as if they were to him? And we don’t even have similar names. I also told you that if you don’t believe any of my personal claims, we can use Murph to verify them, including my Left credentials and family connections. And again, only about 10% don’t have health coverage and a major proportion who don’t could have it if they wanted. (The link to your reference claiming otherwise didn’t work but it appeared to be similar to one by one of the “K’s” that used stats about subgroups of the population and incorrectly claimed it applied to the whole population.) Most all Universal Health plans around the world have a major role for the private sector and thus Bernie’s Single Payer is not the same as what most all other countries have. A major part of our private health coverage is not-for-profit and thus by the numbers the reason the US is so much more expensive than other countries can not just be due to excess profits. A Universal Health Plan that retains the current private insurance and takes billions of new taxes a year has a better chance of passing than one that eliminates the private insurers and takes TRILLIONS a year in new taxes. A Universal Health proposal that has the support of the likes of the AARP, Kaiser and the AMA has a better chance of passing than one they actively oppose. A Dem candidate who supports a plan that these folk can support has a better chance of beating Trump than a candidate who supports a plan that they oppose. Since our top priority is beating Trump it seems to make the choice fairly easy. And that seems to be the way both the Dem voters and general electorate are leaning…at least for… » Posted By Jake321 On July 30, 2019 @ 7:26 am For an expat who claims they have not lived in the US for 40 years you seem to think you know a lot about the US today. I never said I knew more about Japan than you. I just used sources about Japan that seem credible and said I would check with my Japanese relatives since I have no idea who you are and how credible you are. And the same goes for RN’s. I checked sources and will check my RN relatives who are practicing in the US today. Well, a large part of the Dem voters disagree with you since in recent days Biden has been increasing his lead over the other Dem candidates. On average, he has almost the same support as the next three candidates combined. He is also the only Dem who is beating Trump by more than we beat the Republicans in 2018. The others are either not beating him or are by less than our 2018 margin which is not good. Our goal is to beat Trump. All else is secondary. We’ll see how he does in the debate this time. » Posted By Jake321 On July 29, 2019 @ 6:06 pm As usual you assume wrong. Even Bernie is infinitely better than Trump. I’m not like those Bernie Babies who fell for the Kremlin disinformation about Clinton and voted for Trump last time making him Prez. Anyway, I’d take my chances with a Socialist over a Fascist any day. » Posted By Jake321 On July 29, 2019 @ 5:39 pm I never posted that to you. I posted that to AdLib. I have noted that you sometimes get a bee in your bonnet which is far from the same thing. For some reason you have read things I’ve said to AdLib as directed to you. Maybe there is some problem with this website that we didn’t have at Yabberz. If I was going to say anything like what you thought I said to you here, I would have said it many times before at Yabberz. I don’t believe I ever did that. » Posted By Jake321 On July 29, 2019 @ 10:03 am And that is what the article also indicated was the bigger problem. But to address the problem we need a plan that can pass. Again, one like Biden’s can. One like Bernie’s Single Payer doesn’t have a prayer. Even Harris is rapidly backing off Single Payer. Expect only Bernie to go down in flames with Single Payer. All the other lead candidates will go with a plan closer to Biden’s than to Bernie’s I’ll bet. Again you use Single Payer to mean primary funder. They are NOT the same and that sure is not what Bernie and friends mean by Single Payer. Or Medicate for All. But even the Fed’s just as Single Funder is not needed since a majority of people have adequate coverage paid for by themselves or their employers. No reason to replace that with trillions a year in new taxes. » Posted By Jake321 On July 29, 2019 @ 9:54 am Young folk always seem to joy in reinventing the wheel and not learning from the mistakes of the past. And today a lot din’t know what a dictionary or history book is. But enthusiasm they do have. Maybe it comes from inexperience and a still not fully developed brain. And it’s clear you have not spent much time in a Socialist country. » Posted By Jake321 On July 29, 2019 @ 9:39 am To use particular subgroups if a population and claim them for the whole population is actually worse than cherry picking, it is just incorrect and if done intentionally to make make a point a numbers lie. If you don’t like the actual numbers which show less than 10% without health insurance argue with the CDC and the US Census. Seems those researchers at in that AP article also found that about 90% are covered. And if Bernie’s support for Single Payer helps sink him that’s fine with me. I want Universal Healthcare. I don’t want spiting Socialist Bernie. » Posted By Jake321 On July 29, 2019 @ 8:58 am This will be the most vicious campaign we have ever had, unfortunately. Trump has decided to make it so. He will base it on pure racial bigotry and vile demagoguery to try to get his Trumpite dregs who usually don’t vote to vote this time. And he will appeal to their ignorance and hate. It may make 2016 seem like a Sunday school class. And worse, if we don’t beat him decisively he will likely not accept the results and try to stay in power claiming the election was rigged and thus invalid. Yes, we need a candidate who people see as a unifier and has a history as such. And appeals to both our base and the great middle who really decide elections here. But also needs to appeal to those who voted for Obama but switched to Trump and bring them back. Only one of our leading candidates at this time fits the bill but he maybe too old. » Posted By Jake321 On July 29, 2019 @ 2:43 am And Medicaid is better? And they don’t have pencil pushers in the Post Office or the DMV…who can’t be fired for dragging their feet and even incompetence? Virtually every Universal Health System has a major private component. I don’t care if they are all non-profit or mutuals or coops. But I also don’t care if they are for-profit especially since to get Universal Healthcare passed here we will have to live with for-profit insurance for quite awhile. Without capitalism in medicine in one way or another most people alive today would likely be dead. Some of the best medical centers in the US are for-profit. But I’m not ideological about this. Some areas that you mention don’t have to be publicly owned but private for-profit and non-profit whichever works better and is most cost effective. I generally favor community ownership and cooperative ownership over government ownership. But generally favor them over profit oriented ownership if there is not much entrepreneurial need in the operation. However, getting the best results for the users in a cost effective way should be the primary goal, not that of ownership form even if a private owner makes a buck. As I mentioned before, I worked in a field for some 40 years that had all these ownership forms providing the same product and service. By far the worst in terms of quality, cost effectiveness and user satisfaction was government ownership. All the rest were better and pretty much the same as each other. It was being non-governmental that made the difference. » Posted By Jake321 On July 29, 2019 @ 2:25 am LOL…If you had followed the thread further, you might have noticed I used “outdated” numbers from 2018 in my answer AdLibs who made a similar silly dig. And that 2018 reference says numbers from 2018 were not significantly different from the 2017 data and the 2017 reference says 2017 was not significantly different from 2016. If you don’t like my numbers take it up with the CDC and the Census. Anyway here’s the quote from my response to AdLib: “In 2018, 30.4 million persons of all ages (9.4%) were uninsured at the time of interview—not significantly different from 2017, but 18.2 million fewer persons than in 2010.“ https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhis/earlyrelease/insur201905.pdf If you can read your own link it is NOT referring to all people but cherry picked age groups. If you can read your own link it indicates much of those who don’t have insurance are that way because they choose not to get insurance that they are eligible for. And why this has been increasing is because the individual mandate was eliminated. Yes, numbers and Google are your friend if you know how to use them. Try this: “Despite calls to start over, US health system covers 90%” https://www.apnews.com/4770e9dfbede42999dbe48b03476d3b1 » Posted By Jake321 On July 29, 2019 @ 1:28 am A little more on the debate: “Despite calls to start over, US health system covers 90%” https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/calls-start-us-health-system-covers-90-64605476 » Posted By Jake321 On July 27, 2019 @ 2:32 pm Yep, Trotsky wasn’t all wrong even if some of his followers seem to make a try at that. So what whom a minority of the voters vote for? Damn, Mussolini’s Fascists got two-thirds of the vote in Italy. And you are correct about not holding the past against people unless they hold on to the past as Bernie often does but at least Biden usually does not. Anyway, at this point, Unky Biden has by far the best chance of taking the nomination and then beating Trump. But it is still quite early…but if he makes it to Iowa and South Carolina at the beginning of the Primaries and handily wins, he has it. If he can then just keep our base and bring back even half of the Working Class Whites who had voted for Obama but then voted for Trump, he will become Prez. » Posted By Jake321 On July 27, 2019 @ 12:50 pm I think we have a definitional problem. Single Payer refers to a single Federal Agency raising taxes to fund Universal Healthcare AND administering the direct payments to the healthcare providers, not just being the single funding source for the Universal System. I’m all for the Fed’s raising taxes to help provide the money for those who need subsidies including for those not now covered. I don’t see the need for the Fed’s to take over as the sole funding source for ALL health insurance to do this. But I’m especially against the Fed’s nationalizing and monopolizing the entire health insurance system and being the single central administrator of the entire system. As with Impeachment I’ll go with Pelosi’s practical political position on this as well: » Posted By Jake321 On July 27, 2019 @ 12:30 pm LOL…yes we all are… » Posted By Jake321 On July 27, 2019 @ 12:14 pm I was playing and said I was a lobbyist for Universal Health Insurance, not the Health Insurance industry and for not an actual paid lobbyist for anything. And I apologized for not keeping up with the times. Didn’t realize some BCBS plans had gone from non-profit to for-profit. But my point is that a large part of the health insurance industry is not-for-profit. So it is not just the big bad for-profit corporations that are the issue but what is the most likely way to get Universal Healthcare. And yes, I don’t think centralized national monopolies are efficient whether private or public. And yes, I wish Biden was 20 years younger but as of now he remains our best chance of beating Trump…it so ALL the polls show…even the latest from Fox that threw Whacko Trump into a Twitter hissy fit against them. Maybe one of the women will come up strongly in the Primaries and against Trump. But as of now it is old white Unky Biden, whom I likely would not support in saner, less critical times. As an aside, I supported Clinton in the 2008 Primaries. » Posted By Jake321 On July 27, 2019 @ 12:09 pm Guess you missed my point. I want Universal Healthcare in our big bad real world of private insurers, both for-profit and not-for-profit. As I’ve noted, I would rather have Blue Cross Blue Shield, Kaiser, AARP, the AMA, etc. supporting a Universal Healthcare proposal, or at least not vigorously opposing it, than have them as vigorous opponents which they all are in terms of Single Payer. I also believe that a plan that costs billions a year in new taxes has a better chance of passing than one that costs TRILLIONS a year in new taxes, while eliminating an entire industry with millions of private sector jobs and creates a vast new Federal Agency. Yes, I have had more dealing with the current system than I would have liked. So what? Oh, please poll your RN’s to see if they like dealing with most private insurance companies vs. dealing with Medicaid. Would they like working for a private hospital or the VA or a county hospital. Would they like to work for the Federal Government like Postal Workers? Since that is the direction this will go if the Federal Government nationalized Health Insurance and gets a monopoly on funding the entire healthcare system. And ask the doctors the same questions. Seems they general don’t like dealing with Medicaid way more than having to deal with private insurance. Again, a plan similar to Biden’s based on our current system which covers most everyone with an expanded Obamacare for those not now covered has at least some chance of passing if he becomes Prez. A plan like Bernie’s Single Payer has even less chance of passing as Bernie becoming Prez. I want Universal Healthcare, not pie in the sky. Seems that’s also Pelosi’s position: Don’t know about you but I think a plan supported by Pelosi has a wee bit better chance of passing than one opposed by her. But who knows? » Posted By Jake321 On July 27, 2019 @ 11:42 am LOL…why I don’t like Bernie and don’t trust him is a very long political story going back some 45 years…and more. But this might help. He has hardly changed in all those years and for most of those years he was explicitly a Revolutionary Socialist Trot. And lots of old New Yorkers like me had grandfathers or great uncles of a similar political bent who would also always turn red in the face and spit their ideological certainties across the family dinner table in everyone else’s face and dinner plate. But you are correct, he will not get the nomination and won’t get close so likely won’t be a spoiler and won’t run for Prez as an independent. As I’ve said, I have no problem with some socialist programs within a Social Democratic contest. Oh, you say Bernie “…wants equality and to not have the rich people buying elections. Increase in the minimum wage, healthcare for everyone and the rich to pay their fair » Posted By Jake321 On July 27, 2019 @ 3:04 am My relatives include Japanese Citizens, married to and permanent residents. As I said socialist programs can work and be good things for any country. What is NOT good since it has always failed, stagnated or resulted in tyranny, is Socialism, intended to be democratic or not, when it gets state power and control of the economy. The DSA and Bernie are Socialist, NOT Social Democratic. They explicitly want to eliminate market Capitalism and replace it with a socialist economy. They want to ultimately replace private property with collective ownership. The Swedes knew this and intentionally went Social Democratic and NOT Socialist. » Posted By Jake321 On July 26, 2019 @ 9:39 pm Well, those are fine points but are a diversion from my last post. You made false accusations against me and I countered them. You tried to reinforce your position by attacking me from the Left. I pointed out that that was hardly the reality. Previously you claimed I didn’t support Universal Healthcare even though in every past I made on this subject I said I did and gave the firm I favored either by citing the Swiss system or Biden’s proposal. You tend to have a blind spot when someone disagrees with you. You also seem to not read what has been posted. After I said I was wrong about most health insurance being not-for-profit since some not-for-profits had become for-profit, and apologized for it, you continued to attack me for the claim I had already corrected. You have yet to apologize for the false claims you made about me. Anyway, I welcome any objective corrections. That is helpful. I do not like attacks that are false and will counter attack. I didn’t come here along with Murph to get your approval. And if you ever want to verify claims I make about myself, Murph and I communicate by email and I will gladly give him references to my claims as long as he doesn’t pass on any identifying material. Now how about getting back to discussing issues. Anyway, to sum up this thread. I support Universal Healthcare built on our current system of private insurance, both for-profit and not-for-profit, with an expansion of Obamacare and increased Federal subsidies to cover those not now covered if they need it. This means I most support Biden’s plan and favor the Swiss system. And believe that if Biden wins it might actually have a chance of being enacted. I oppose a Single Payer Federal Government monopoly of health insurance that would eliminate the private insurers, both for-profit and not-for-profit, with one gigantic new Federal Government Agency administering it all from the center. And creating trillions a year in new taxes to pay for everyone, not just that relatively small percent who don’t now have coverage. » Posted By Jake321 On July 26, 2019 @ 6:07 pm Most important is the fact that it’s not the central funding source I disagree with but the centralized government day-to-day administration I disagree with. I have found that it is too subject to political influence, political corruption and inefficiencies of all kinds. My experience in a field that has let me see comparisons here for the past 40 years has proven to me that decentralized administration of enterprise and service delivery often is more efficient and responsive. Also, that profit motivation often is also more efficient and cost effective in a decentralized system. But local democratic socialism like coops and some municipal utilities work great. Still, while I say that I’ve also seen that democratic economic control in an enterprise can be a pain in the neck and also lead to failure. My opposition to Single Payer goes beyond my opposition to Bernie the Old Trot. };o) » Posted By Jake321 On July 26, 2019 @ 11:18 am That response was not for you. It was to AdLib who likes to challenge people’s credentials. I’m sorry if it got posted to you. I would never respond that way to you since you would never give me reason to do that even if we disagree. Now we do have misunderstandings. To clear one up, you misread what I meant by being a lobbyist. I am not one. My fault for joking without a Smiley Face. Another is Single Payer. I take Bernie literally on that. It means there is not just one funding source for Healthcare Insurance but there is only one central government agency that directly administers the national program and makes the payments directly to the healthcare providers. There are national systems like Japan which have basically one funding source but thousands of administrating and even paying entities of different types. There are very few if any that do it all with a single national government monopoly for taxing, funding, administrating and paying. The closest we have is Medicaid, not Medicare. But even it has a major role for the states aside from the Federal Government. But on this we agree, in one form or another we need a Universal Healthcare System in the US that covers all residents with decent healthcare. We only disagree » Posted By Jake321 On July 26, 2019 @ 10:42 am Yep, Sweden is Social Democratic and not Democratic Socialist. Very big difference. There are plenty of successful Social Democratic countries. There is not one Socialist one, Democratic or not. Oh, on Japan I can only cite what is reported by objective agencies about their system. However, you are there. I’m not. Some of my relatives from there will be here soon. I’ll ask them about their take and experience when I see them. Since one of them just went through some serious medical they should be quite familiar with how it works in a practical way. » Posted By Jake321 On July 26, 2019 @ 10:13 amComments Posted By Jake321
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