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Rashomon 6: Ten views of Obama’s budget freeze

Thanks escrib! Love this feature!

It always comes down to a competition between Huff and Drudge for “Douchiest” and Huff wins again IMO.

Saying nothing about it is an admission that they are disarmed on this issue.

“Mr. Freeze” seems so childish, simple minded and ridiculing it could have come from Rush’s or Beck’s mouth.

» Posted By AdLib On January 25, 2010 @ 9:53 pm

The New Spokesperson for the Middle Class? Pu-LEEZE!

Well, this is a legit issue to discuss about HuffPo that goes to their legitimacy as a Progressive outlet. Here’s a little info from Wikipedia:

Andrew J. Breitbart is an American publisher, commentator for the Washington Times, author, and an occasional guest commentator on various news programs. He may be best-known for serving as an editor for the Drudge Report website. He was a researcher for Arianna Huffington, and was employed by her as “the primary developer” of her website, The Huffington Post.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Breitbart

And what kind of person is this? From Think Progress:

Early this morning, news broke that Sen. Ted Kennedy had passed away after serving in the U.S. Senate for nearly 50 years. Soon after, conservative commentator Andrew Breitbart began a sustained assault on Kennedy

» Posted By AdLib On January 27, 2010 @ 5:49 pm

LABC, I hope you’ll reconsider.

We try our best to keep a collegiality and respect for all members. When any of us address the content or approach of another’s comment, The Golden Rule may be a cliche but it is a good guide, reply to others as you would have them reply to you.

We’re a community of 220 right now, imagine that as the population of a town, not a big bustling and impersonal city like HuffPo, more personal and familiar.

Sometimes we may bump heads but for those seeking honest expression and discourse and being a part of a community that values that, it’s an occasional price to pay here (yet a frequent one at many other sites).

Your thoughts and posts are very appreciated at The Planet, I hope to continue seeing them here.

» Posted By AdLib On January 26, 2010 @ 4:07 pm

Cheers, KQ!

I think the concern is valid, that The Planet not fall into being overly-focused on HuffPo and be perceived as the Anti-HuffPo site.

And I agree with Jan’s call for keeping the criticisms more substantive. And when it comes to people doing nasty things, I prefer the response of indignation to hatred.

All that said, we have the unique resources of years of insight and continuing understanding of the true nature of a huge news provider and maker and we have come to see that the Empress has no clothes (sorry about the mental image, folks).

The MSM doesn’t have a clue. This is a big story that hasn’t really been told yet and we are among the most informed ones who could write about it, so we should.

» Posted By AdLib On January 26, 2010 @ 3:24 pm

I must respectfully disagree with those who reference the idea that The Planet is positioned as or this thread affirms it to be the Anti-HuffPo site.

I just did a quick survey of the 4 most recent pages of posts and found that out of the last 50 posts, there were two about HuffPo, including this one and 48 out of 50 that were not.

That is not reflective of a site that is overly-focused on HuffPo.

Let’s add to that two realities. First, many of our bloggers here came to The Planet from HuffPo, some continue blogging there. Also, HuffPo has become a behemoth in world of political press and what appears on their site has an influence on this nation’s politics.

For both of those reasons, HuffPo is as valid and worthy a topic to discuss as Fox News and their manipulation of the news.

I would hate to see any legit topics avoided because of concerns that it would brand The Planet as an anti-whatever site.

The one thing we do discourage with regards to HuffPo is bringing the soap operas and personal conflicts from there to here. As far as member interaction at HuffPo is concerned, our policy is that “Whatver happens at HuffPo, stays at HuffPo.”

Otherwise, Huffington Post’s and Arianna’s practices are legit topics for conversation and especially, in light of their agenda-driven reporting posing as the voice of Progressives, need to be held accountable publicly.

» Posted By AdLib On January 26, 2010 @ 2:05 pm

Found a very interesting article from AdAge dated last January:

What if the privately held Huffington Post is worth not $200 million — a cracked-out number floated last year — or even $100 million, but, say, $2 mil?

This is not entirely an academic question, given that in December HuffPo astonished media watchers by securing $25 million in additional funding from Oak Investment Partners, a Palo Alto, Calif., venture-capital firm. The timing was particularly amazing, given that the lefty uber-blog’s traffic has lately been plummeting — a possibility my colleague Nat Ives examined way back in October.

At the time Arianna Huffington insisted to Nat that the “Huffington Post is no longer as dependent on politics,” and so she wasn’t particular worried about the usual post-election readership swoon of politically-focused publications.

And this section:

Consider, for starters, HuffPo’s revenue. As Nat reported, from January through August of last year — the site’s most-trafficked year — “the site collected just $302,000 in ad revenue, according to an estimate from TNS Media Intelligence.”

And lastly:

…HuffPo has an ethically questionable content-generation scheme: It doesn’t pay most of its bloggers at all. Worse, it sometimes even lifts content wholesale from other sites that do pay for their own content, as the Chicago Reader’s Whet Moser noted in a few outraged blog posts that briefly made a ripple last month on Jim Romenesko’s media site as well as on Gawker (“Arianna Huffington’s Scuzzy Copying Pisses Off Chicagoans”). In other words, the Huffington Post is sort of the Napster-circa-2000 of content sites in that its business model, more or else, is: Only suckas pay for content, baby! And that’s gotta be worth something, right?

http://adage.com/mediaworks/article?article_id=133541

I think it’s appropriate to consider the business practices and status of the woman and outfit who are unrelentingly attacking Obama, allegedly on behalf of “the people”.

They are potentially financial hucksters who claim their site is not dependent on politics anymore (but on instigating conflicts between progressives and trolls?) and not paying people for the work they do for them.

And that’s just the tip of the iceberg…

» Posted By AdLib On January 25, 2010 @ 7:21 pm

Help Us Reach Our Fundraising Goal Or Mr. FluffyWuvers Gets It

I knew deep down you were a softy for not blowing kitten’s heads off!

» Posted By AdLib On January 26, 2010 @ 10:17 pm

Wait until you see our puppy endangerment Summer Fundraising drive.

So many animals to use for extortion, so little time.

» Posted By AdLib On January 26, 2010 @ 12:07 pm

I am editor of the Bizarro World’s edition of AdAge…as long as me can afford to pay them for privilege to give them my work!

Hello!

» Posted By AdLib On January 26, 2010 @ 12:02 pm

WOO HOO! We made our goal and even passed it!!! Thanks you all so much for making our first Fundraiser such a success!

And thanks for keeping PlanetPOV spinning for 2010!!!

And lastly, a big thanks from Mr. FluffyWuvers who is now chillin’ before heading over to his new home with Kalima. From Mr. FluffyWuvers to all of you:

kitty rock

» Posted By AdLib On January 26, 2010 @ 11:58 am

Like it. And we could put Arianna masks on them for Whack a Sleazel.

» Posted By AdLib On January 26, 2010 @ 10:23 am

Mr. FluffyWuvers is breathing a lot easier now. He’s so grateful for all the generous members who are getting us within a cat’s whisker of reaching our goal.

We have just a tiny bit to go and then Mr FluffyWuvers will be winging his way in First Class to join his new mom, Kalima.

But he needs our members’ help to donate and I’ll do my part by not flinching at any loud noises.

Come on folks, we’re almost there!!!

» Posted By AdLib On January 26, 2010 @ 10:20 am

Hey! We could sell them with The Planet logo to raise more funds. I mean, cut a few holes in cardboard and sell it for $10 bucks!

And we can sell Whack a Cat and Whack a Pup versions.

Then we could put Joe Lieberman masks on rodents and sell Whack a Weasel!

» Posted By AdLib On January 26, 2010 @ 10:16 am

AAAAAAAAHHH!!! No! No! NOOOO! ZOMBIECATS!!! H-E-L-P!!!

Cheers AC! When you can if you can, Mr. FluffyWuvers will really appreciate it and so will I.

» Posted By AdLib On January 25, 2010 @ 7:31 pm

I’m wit youse! I’d hates ta see dat pretty kitty kat get hurt!

Dat’s why I’m hopin’ people make a donation. Wouldn’t want nuttin’ unfortunate to happen to Mr. FluffyWuvers.

» Posted By AdLib On January 25, 2010 @ 3:55 pm

YIPE!

» Posted By AdLib On January 25, 2010 @ 3:50 pm

Dis is howya do it!

“Kitty…kitty…KABOOM!”

» Posted By AdLib On January 25, 2010 @ 3:47 pm

My ears are open to all denominations…I told Mr. FluffyWuvers, dis ain’t personal, it’s just business.

» Posted By AdLib On January 25, 2010 @ 1:44 pm

Big Tonee, you betta smarten up. Kes is a Made Blogger. Ya lay one scratch on Kes, they gonna find pieces o’ ya in 18 different litter boxes.

Dis is Family business. Mr. FluffyWuvers crossed the line. He curled up and purred on a pic of Rush Limbaugh.

Ya want him to walk? Slap down some catnip.

» Posted By AdLib On January 25, 2010 @ 1:41 pm

Thank of it this way, I’m going to have to top this next time.

» Posted By AdLib On January 25, 2010 @ 1:35 pm

How much is it worth ta ya to make this Mr. FluffyWuvers problem go away?

» Posted By AdLib On January 25, 2010 @ 1:34 pm

Duking it out!

Did I miss it? When did Kev duck? 😉

As for Bill Clinton, his presidency and elections were based on his practice of “triangulation”. Meaning, the way to win the WH was to co-opt the Repub’s positions and leave them without issues to run against.

Consider this, if you wanted to beat a Teabagger candidate, the best thing you could do as a Progressive incumbent would be to sponsor legislation requiring Obama to prove his country of birth, killing HCR and pass a law allowing the unborn to carry guns in the womb.

Clinton pushed our middle class, unions and U.S. manufacturing off a cliff with NAFTA. His conservative policies greatly outnumbered any liberal policies.

And that’s where we want the country to go? MORE conservative?

» Posted By AdLib On January 25, 2010 @ 7:34 pm

Yeah, remember all those liberals who supported the Iraq War and gave Bush props for it?

And all those liberals who are best buds with Ann Coulter?

Maher has one special interest and it’s in his mirror.

» Posted By AdLib On January 25, 2010 @ 6:36 pm

Op Ed 2.0

Right with you, Boomer!!! And thanks for the assist!

» Posted By AdLib On January 24, 2010 @ 9:33 pm

Kirk, a big welcome to The Planet! And thank you so much for your enthusiasm and drive in moving forward with drafting a letter or petition on education.

As you and Kesmarn mentioned below, all members should use the asset of this community to pursue the issues that matter most to them.

For there to be thriving activism here on any and all issues that matter to members here, would be a huge success for The Planet and I hope very gratifying for the members here who want to make a difference.

All letters or petitions created by one or more members can be posted in the Take Action! and, if desired, can be presented so folks can sign it online.

If you care about an issue, pursue it here.

Lastly, I’m happy to assist in exchanging contact info between “consenting” members who wish to collaborate on a project here. Otherwise, as many thoughtful members here posted, best not to publicly post personal information here since its available to everyone on the internet.

Again, glad to have you on The Planet!

» Posted By AdLib On January 24, 2010 @ 9:29 pm

The whole concept behind an activist aspect of The Planet is to add to the impact of posts and comments.

I think the most impact we can have as a community is through strength in numbers.

IMO, strong letters or petitions that bear the names of numerous people and a website will have more impact than a letter with a single name signed on it.

However, creating a Letter To The Editor that all members can sign their own name to and submit to their local papers is another way to make a coordinated impact.

There is no reason that we need to look at sending a petition or letter individually to local newspapers and our specific congresspeople as a separate choice, I think it is something we should do with all letters and petitions we create.

Depending on whether there are general issues being discussed or specific actions, the former would be more appropriate to a letter and the latter would be more appropriate to a petition.

So, with regards to the issues I suggested, here is what I would plan to draft for each item:

a: A letter to be endorsed by PlanetPOV and signed by all members who would be interested, mailed to President Obama, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi and mailed by members independently to their Congresspeople. Also, sent by members to their local papers as a Letter to the Editor.

b. A petition endorsed by PlanetPOV and signed by all members who would be interested, a link to the petition could be placed at HuffPo, DailyKos, etc. for others to come here and add their names if interested. Members would be encouraged to email the people they know who might also want to add their names. It would then be mailed to Congress (Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi and by members to their congresspeople).

c. Same as “b.”

In all cases, the letters and petitions would be posted here under Take Action! for more people to sign subsequent copies that would be sent. Also, on issues involving Congress, I would suggest hard copies mailed and emails following up with the text of the item and a link to it at the site.

» Posted By AdLib On January 24, 2010 @ 8:47 pm

Nellie, I’m just offering these suggestions as a member. My priorities are:

a. Bold action by Congress and Obama in legislation, accomplish more Progressive agenda issues and don’t move to the middle, forget about bipartisanship and eliminate the Filibuster.

b. Continue HCR, break out the consumer protections from expanding Medicare, pass the former with 60 votes then pass the latter with 51 votes via Reconciliation.

c. Immediate Congressional action to regulate corporations, especially any who have received TARP, subsidy money or government contracts (taxpayer money in any way) from campaign spending.

My feeling is that there are some enormous issues that if not addressed before the election in November, may be lost for a long time if not forever and will imperil a wide variety of pro-citizen issues.

» Posted By AdLib On January 24, 2010 @ 6:10 pm

Welcome to Take Action!

Yogurt Gastritis Man.

» Posted By AdLib On January 23, 2010 @ 5:07 pm

Will do so!

» Posted By AdLib On January 23, 2010 @ 5:05 pm

Yes, it’s back up. Sorry Nellie for the issue with it and ProjectPOV, all should be up and working properly now!

» Posted By AdLib On January 23, 2010 @ 4:59 pm

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