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Caveman Lifestyle Catches Fire With Trump Supporters

grammit, I think before long, the majority of the country and world will feel exactly the same way. We have no choice but to deal with and fight against him while he’s in the White House for 4 years but I will never use the title “President” before his name.

» Posted By AdLib On December 7, 2016 @ 4:13 pm

Yes Kalima, we’re seeing this ongoing eruption of repressed racism thanks to Trump’s provocation of it and the odd thing is, the racists seem as shaken by their outbursts as those witnessing them…aside from the assaults and vandalism that is.

It’s like watching cavemen who’ve been frozen in the ice, defrosting and being hostile yet terrified at the majority in the world who are more evolved than them.

Hence, my use of that imagery in this post.

We don’t have a choice about going down the path that lies ahead of us, the racial division in this country may become inflamed in a way we haven’t seen since the 60’s.

History will be challenging all of us to stand up for our principles and those of the country. It could get very ugly but it will bring a majority of Americans together and hopefully, bury the power of racists in this country for good.

With the shrinking of the white majority, the racists are on their last legs of having the opportunity to seize power like this. When we put them down this time, it could be the last time we have to.

» Posted By AdLib On December 2, 2016 @ 3:11 pm

Kalima, a WAPO article that carried the Starbucks video listed this too:

Since Trump’s election, a wave of racially and religiously motivated acts of intimidation, violence and harassment has swept the country.

Students at a Michigan middle school began chanting “build the wall!” during lunch on the day after Trump’s election.

A black student at Baylor said she was shoved by a white male while walking to class on the morning after the election. Her assailant, a fellow student, told her “no n—-s allowed on the sidewalk,” she said — then echoed Trump’s campaign slogan, declaring: “I’m just trying to make America great again.”

Days later, a University of Michigan student was approached by a stranger who threatened to set her on fire if she didn’t remove her hijab, campus police said.

At a high school in Pennsylvania, two students paraded through the hallways with a Trump sign as one student shouted, “White power!” — a moment that was captured on video.

On Saturday, an Episcopal church in Maryland was vandalized with a chilling message: “Trump nation. Whites only.”

The following morning, in central Indiana, the organist at an Episcopal church discovered a swastika, an anti-gay slur and “HEIL TRUMP” spray-painted on the outside walls.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/11/18/i-voted-for-trump-you-lost-white-starbucks-customer-accuses-barista-of-discrimination/

These racists who have been suppressed by decent society for decades are coming out from under their rocks but look and sound like the hysterical and insecure garbage they are. Poor white racists have been rejected for so long by society and now that they have a President who’s validated their paranoia and bigotry as “normal” they are freaking out in public.

As horrible as it is, it’s only going to make them look like the ugly creatures they are and paint Trump with the same brush. Meanwhile, as we’ve discussed, opposition to Trump will be a gathering wave of people of decency from everywhere that will in four years, wipe out Trump, Trumpism and the validation these psycho-racists have received from him.

» Posted By AdLib On December 1, 2016 @ 4:34 pm

Anxious For Trump Presidency to Begin…So it Can End

gyp46, we are in The Twilight Zone right now for the next 4 years. All the norms have been thrown away by self-centered, ignorant people who voted with their emotions for a con man who cynically told them what they wanted to hear.

But their support of Trump will begin peeling off with each day that goes by under him. He will become so widely reviled and I think there will be a powerful hunger for a return to sanity…and a Progressive Dem President.

But waiting 4 years requires an it of activism and patience.

» Posted By AdLib On November 27, 2016 @ 6:32 pm

Very funny, Q!

This one’s kind of creepy…

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» Posted By AdLib On November 27, 2016 @ 11:24 am

PPO – Very interesting set of predictions, if I may add a few?

11. President Trump will invade SNL and send Alec Baldwin to Guantanamo.
12. Ivanka Trump will market a pair of gold bracelets modeled on the handcuffs used to deport millions of Mexicans.
13. President Trump’s health care policy which contains the sole instruction, “Cover your mouth when you cough, numbnuts!” will fail spectacularly and climax in “The Million Man Cough” where millions of sick Americans gather around the WH and cough their germs at Trump.

» Posted By AdLib On November 27, 2016 @ 11:21 am

Kalima, it’s understandable that so many people are still processing their shock and outrage at this freak of human nature becoming President of the US.

But what will be the most effective event in transforming that painful and useless emotion into effective motivation is Trump’s inauguration.

As you say, he will indeed damage and screw up so much once he’s in a position to do so. And while his lies and propaganda will all hail the omnipotence and perfection of Our Great Leader (Kim Jong Trump), real people who are genuinely hurt by his rampages and ignorance won’t be convinced by words that losing healthcare and having no opportunity for well paying jobs are actually unicorns and fairy dust.

I can foresee RW Repubs joining the popular uprising against Trump once their constituency starts howling about all the promises he’s broken and how much worse their lives are under him.

Add that of course to the majority of Americans who already see Trump for the garbage he is, there sure could be a popular uprising against Trump and his government, not to mention against the now resurgent white bigotry marching under his banner.

The next 4 years will challenge the country but it will also give those who truly respect our country and what it stands for, the opportunity to stand up and be counted.

» Posted By AdLib On November 27, 2016 @ 11:08 am

Weekend Music Thread – Celluloid Heroes

Here’s two spy heroes themes and a little trivia, Patrick MaGoohan who starred in the tv shows, Secret Agent Man and The Prisoner was originally sought to play the first James Bond but turned it down:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnzgdBAKyJo

» Posted By AdLib On November 19, 2016 @ 5:32 pm

Make America Revolting Again – An Era of Civil Resistance May Be On the Way

Kalima, there is no wakeup call that works with the politically ignorant…that’s why they’re ignorant and capable of voting for a mentally unstable man to have the nuclear codes.

We will never be rid of these mindless emotional voters and they will continue to periodically sabotage the country because it’s easy to manipulate idiots who have emotional kneejerk responses to issues that require thought.

Trump’s presidency will be the most divisive and socially destructive in US history. The damage will be vast and the morons who voted for him may bury their heads in denial to avoid having to admit they blew up their own lives. But some will, more than enough to keep Trump from a second term.

They were indeed too selfish to think about how so many people are now fearful and under threat by their “outsider” and too stupid to realize that they too are just annoyances to a Trump who has already got what he wanted. They will now suffer from trying to throw a Molotov cocktail at America because, despite their ignorance about it, they live in America too.

When the house next to theirs catches fire, it spreads to theirs too. They’re so ignorant, they think the fire will just stop at their neighbor’s house and all they care about is burning them down because they’re not white or Christian.

Everything burns…

» Posted By AdLib On November 17, 2016 @ 10:44 am

Kes, I guarantee you though that many Trump voters will apply that same tunnel vision from the primaries to his presidency. No matter how many of his fraudulent promises evaporate, they will wave it off and claim it’s unimportant then repeat how wonderful he is.

So many Trump voters are self-deluded rubes, they want to believe in time machines and miracles and they are on enthusiastically aboard the Trump train even as it falls off a cliff to certain doom.

But as you say, there will be some who do become a bit enlightened (though fighting against the humiliation of admitting that they were conned like fools won’t be easy for them).

While Trump used phony blame and promises to whip up rural white anger, vindictiveness and bigotry, it indeed is not the blueprint for building a time machine to go back to a 1950’s that didn’t exist in reality anyway.

There is no going back to the 1950’s glorious and fictional days of white utopia. It is such a basic and obvious lie to manipulate that most voters saw through immediately.

I know there are decent rural white people out there who voted for Trump, I know it’s a form of prejudice to tag them all as idiots but I will tag a lot of them as being as ignorant as a 4 year old child.

The first lesson anyone should be taught by the time they are old enough to vote is, if something sounds too good to be true, it probably is. Yet here are these folks who are much older than that who are anxious to play Three Card Trumpy and think that they will instantly win time travel for the whole country.

They are the past and this may be the last election where they could use their ignorance to halt and damage the progress of the nation; They are on the wrong side of history and the GOP will pay a huge price for getting in bed with the most disastrous, hate mongering and incompetent President in our history (can’t believe anyone could beat out Bush!).

The GOP will be stained for a long time to Trumpism and all current Repubs like Ryan who are working with him will have their political futures derailed.

» Posted By AdLib On November 16, 2016 @ 4:14 pm

Kalima, it won’t be just because the things he wants to do damage the country, they represent personal threats to a majority of Americans.

Part of the reason Trump won was due to the apathetic Dem voters who wouldn’t go out and vote. Sometimes people have to suffer before they act in their own interests.

Only around half of voters voted, the other half may be a bit more motivated to fulfill their civil responsibilities when they lose their health care, their air and water is polluted and their SS and Medicare is cut and undermined.

I wish all Americans had the abilities of critical thinking and seeing the big picture, only around half of those who voted seem to. So we have to go through hell with an ignorant, bigoted narcissist at the helm of the country, steering it into an iceberg, before they get off their asses to avoid drowning.

I think like Bush, world leaders have already tagged Trump as a dangerous manboy who can’t be trusted to e mindful or responsible about his impact on the world. They may have to be diplomatic since he is the president and is vindictive but they will rely on the US as little as necessary.

The woman who was 13 when Trump abused her dropped her suit. She claimed that she feared that she and her family would be harassed.

Otherwise, as far as I know, the Trump University suit and the NY AG’s investigation into Trump’s foundation are moving forward.

» Posted By AdLib On November 16, 2016 @ 3:51 pm

MORNING BLOG 7th ANNIVERSARY EDITION

Kalima, I think history has proven time and time again that dictators who look unstoppable at one point always get stomped in the end. Putin will be no exception.

And Trump’s devastating defeat in 4 years will give Putin a preview of what awaits him one day.

» Posted By AdLib On December 20, 2016 @ 9:18 pm

Kalima, this is just typical Russian propaganda. This is why Trump has such love for Russia and Putin, he copies the same propaganda tactics of always blaming their political adversaries for EVERYTHING bad that happens.

While Republicans now bow to Putin and Trump, most rational people should never give an ounce of credibility or good intentions towards Russia and its government controlled media.

I would not be surprised if after the Russians have completed their devastation and massacres in Aleppo, that terrorism against Russians ramps up.

» Posted By AdLib On December 19, 2016 @ 9:52 pm

Green it is!

And as bizarre as it sounds, every beverage actually does taste better in a Morning Blog mug!

And is enriched with 100% more conscience!

» Posted By AdLib On December 3, 2016 @ 6:20 pm

Congrats Kes! You are our big MB Anniversary winner and it’s well earned!

We have three colors of mugs available to ship out ASAP to you, which would you prefer?

Light blue, green or pink?

You may now have an urge to sip a warm beverage in your Morning Blog mug whenever The Sound of Music comes on!

Congrats and let us know which color you pick!

» Posted By AdLib On December 2, 2016 @ 2:56 pm

Kalima, it’s not a high pedestal, you’re just standing on top of 7 years of marvelous work.

It does boggle the mind a bit that it’s been 7 years though imagine how many readers’ visits to Morning Blog that would total up to!

Your compassion, intellect and conscience are always self-evident in your posts on Morning Blog and your comments around The Planet. They inspire me and clearly others as well.

Thank you so much for all the wonderful things you wrote, they mean a great deal to me.

Along with KQuark, we started The Planet rolling together. All the adventures we’ve had, along with our fellow Planeteers over the past 7 years are too many to count but they’ve happened because of how and what we can share with each other right here on this unique oasis in the vast digital universe.

What is interesting is that we find ourselves now, with the looming Trump presidency, in a time similar to what first motivated me to begin blogging, the terrible years of the Bush presidency. I would guess that we’ll see many who haven’t been engaged in politics and activism, jumping into the fray now. And Morning Blog and The Planet will be ready and waiting for them!

Once again, congratulations on 7 remarkable years of sharing your remarkable conscience about the world we live in with everyone at The Planet and I hope you know how important and meaningful to my life it has been and continues to be working side-by-side with you.

CONGRATS!!!

» Posted By AdLib On November 30, 2016 @ 7:46 pm

Kalima, as today is Thanksgiving, one of the very meaningful things I’m giving thanks for today is the great fortune to have your presence and contributions here at The Planet. Year in and year out, Morning Blog has enlightened so many of us about the events and realities so many fellow human beings around the world are living. The perspective you offer through Morning Blog is unique, invaluable and so needed especially now!

7 years? Kind of hard to believe it’s been that long! Really! Thank you, thank you, thank you for all the hard work you have and continue to invest into Morning Blog, all the conscience and principles you exemplify and the sense of global community Morning Blog expresses with all of The Planet.

Happy 7th Anniversary to you and Morning Blog!

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» Posted By AdLib On November 24, 2016 @ 8:16 pm

Letter from a Friend of a Friend

Powerful letter, Q.

From the celebration of many Trump followers at his election, racial, religious and misogynistic attacks and abuse on the internet and in person, it’s clear that Trump has let a monster out of it’s cage and it’s not going back in willingly.

In our streets and on the internet, these brownshirt-esque vanguards of the Trump Movement are roaming conscienceless, empowered and emboldened by Trump’s win. They are not going away, Trump’s racist agenda (he announced on 60 Minutes tonight he intends to deport 2-3 million Latinos he claims are “criminal”) is not going away and neither are the black and Latino communities.

He also vowed to appoint a SCOTUS judge who will help kill Roe v. Wade. So his assault on women is not going away…and neither are women.

It sure seems likely that we are about to head into a 1970’s-like era of angry conflicts and confrontations between the U.S. (wish I could call it ours but it will be unrecognizable) government and a majority of the American people.

This call by spineless, unprincipled pundits (especially douches like Chris Matthews) that we are supposed to somehow ignore that Trump won the election solely by whipping up white hatred of minorities and the denigration of women and “give him a chance to succeed” is akin to sellouts in Nazi Germany insisting that the public give Hitler a chance to succeed.

No. Rewarding bigotry and criminal abuse with the presidency is not something any principled person should support. It DOES matter how he became president, the legacy of that continues in a dangerous ugliness whether we stick our heads in the sand or not.

Women, girls, minorities, LGBTQ, Muslims, etc. are now genuinely living in more fear for their safety than before Election Day. The threats to them are only going to grow under a Trump presidency and where will that leave this country.

Right where Russia and ISIS wants us, having a Virtual Civil War that undermines and devastates our nation.

IMO, there is no escaping this though the intensity of this new civil war could be less or more depending on whether, as you mentioned below, the majority of Americans can use their coordinated opposition to Trump to play on his need for approval and get him to lessen the damage he wants to do.

We’re back where we were when Bush was President but worse, the US government will now be the opposition for those who don’t subscribe to its abuse of power, cruelty and greed.

Trump is my president but he is also my enemy. I sure didn’t wish to ever be in this position again but it was the case with Reagan, Bush Sr. and GW Bush. What Trump is intent on doing threatens millions of Americans as well as people around the world.

He may have won the election but he has never won over the majority of Americans and they need to be the political force what stands between him and the terrible deeds he is intent on committing.

» Posted By AdLib On November 13, 2016 @ 6:59 pm

There’s Only One Affirmative Response To Trump’s Victory…Warren 2020

Thanks so much, Q. If you knew what was on my private email server, you’d know why I could never run for office.

As you say, Obama used his position as President to influence and inspire support of his positions, Trump and his cronies have made clear that they see government power as a cudgel with which to beat those they see as “the enemy” unrelentingly into submission.

They don’t seek to influence, they seek to intimidate. As President, Obama is the guy in the bar who buys you a beer so he can sit down with you and try to convince you why you should agree with him. Trump is a drunken bully at the bar who pulls out a switchblade and brandishes it to terrify and dominate you to get what he wants (and he might grab women by the putty tat at the same time).

This is the calm before the tsunami, the tide is receding abnormally now and the ignorant are assuring the public that this disquieting calm is nothing to be concerned about, in fact, it could foreshadow good things coming our way. Those who are experienced know better, they are taking the high ground now and preparing for the inevitable onslaught that will inundate the country after January 20th.

I’m not predicting an apocalyptic future, it seems clear though that over half this country will be under attack socially (and in some cases, in physical ways by maniac Trump supporters) by the Trump administration and the GOP.

We have no choice but to prepare for a political and social war against the majority of Americans.

And prepare we should, emotionally and psychologically. This is going to be pretty bad and will require us to be The Resistance. That doesn’t mean though that this period will be any more permanent than when we had to do the same against Bush.

We have to end the Trump regime in 4 years and in the meantime, as Churchill said, give ’em hell!

» Posted By AdLib On November 13, 2016 @ 7:23 pm

Questinia, such a brilliant analysis!

We are going to have a lot more trouble monitoring Trump though, he’s made clear that he views the 1st Amendment and the role of the press as nothing but a threat to him and what he wants to do.

It may seem impossible to have a more secretive and devious admin than Bush/Cheney but it seems likely that’s what we’ll see.

I do think we need one or more leaders of the Dem party to stand up directly to Trump, leaderless movements like OWS become too unfocused, divisive and then dissipate. We can’t afford that to happen with Trump in the WH.

Your points are well taken (of course) that with Trump’s fragile ego, a growing uprising of the majority of Americans against him and what he does will back him into an emotional corner, hopefully making him needier for the public to like him and act in the way he thinks that will bring that about.

I do believe that it is a big mistake to ever give into fear and allow it to influence one’s mindset and choices. So I do agree that we shouldn’t be just gasping in horror at what Trump could do. At the same time, we should be prepared.

This is a horrific and surreal situation that is a bit much to grasp quickly. I think people will be trying for a while to process their fear, shock and disorientation at what has happened to the country we used to think we knew.

At the same time, with Obama leaving the Presidency and Dems having no control in the federal government, the Dems have no real leader right now to rally behind. It sure seems constructive to try and support those who we would like to see as publicly and aggressively taking on Trump and uniting Americans against him.

In light of the Dem Elite helping to unintentionally put Trump in office and ready to do it all over again, to unintentionally help him win re-election, Dems need to step up and choose their own and more representative and reflective leadership that can confront Trump and defeat him in 2020.

As to your point about Trump being the inevitable result of the trauma from 9/11, sure makes a lot of sense. Though this proves how destructive it is to allow fear to make one’s decisions, I do have a big concern in the coming year that I think we should be preparing for.

There will be a terrorist attack next year after Trump becomes President. There have been attacks of one kind or another every year and next year will be no exception.

I can only imagine that to ISIS, Trump’s presidency looks like a big fat gift to them from America. He will be an unwitting but willing collaborator with them, helping them to re-energize themselves at a time when they’re being chased out of Iraq. They need to portray a religious war as being underway against Islam to recruit martyrs and regain momentum and Trump is happy to cooperate on that.

I would bet that ISIS has made their top priority now, a terrorist act in the US. It could be another mentally disturbed individual planting bombs or shooting innocent people as we’ve seen repeatedly this year…or something more spectacular like Paris.

The bottom line is that in the aftermath of a terrorist attack, it seems obvious what Trump would likely do. He would condemn Islam, portray Muslims as enemies of America and possibly bomb indiscriminately in Iraq or Syria just to show he’s strong. Then there are the questions about how far past that he might go. Like Bush, might he use it as a tool to lock down the press and declare that anyone opposing him are allies of ISIS and just as much America’s enemies? Might he pull out his promise to register Muslims? Try to force them into detention camps? Build up a deportation army to go into homes to deport undocumented immigrants? These are extremes but when it comes to Trump, dismissing anything as too extreme to envision, such as his becoming President, has proven to be a mistake.

A terrorist attack, whether smaller or larger, could be exactly the excuse he would use to become the dictator he yearns to be.

This isn’t fear mongering, it’s meant to alert folks to be prepared for this and ready to stand up to him after the next terrorist attack. We shouldn’t sit around being scared, we should be ahead of the curve though on what dangers to our country Trump could inflict so we can respond swiftly, strongly and united.

» Posted By AdLib On November 11, 2016 @ 11:25 am

Nirek, I liked her at first but have some issues with her. Here are some of them:

She’s declined to sign onto an assault weapons ban. She opposes admitting refugees. She a frequent fixture on Fox News, where she has slammed the president over his refusal to use the term “Islamic extremism” to refer to terror attacks.

In March, Gabbard was the only Democrat and one of just three members of Congress to vote against a resolution condemning violence by the Assad regime against civilian populations.

The Hawaii congresswoman was also one of just 47 Democrats who voted for a bill that would make it all but impossible to admit new refugees into the United States.

Eighty percent of Democrats, including fellow Hawaii Democrat Rep. Mark Takai, are co-sponsors of a bill that would ban so-called assault weapons—Gabbard is not among them.

Both Trump and Gabbard share a common friend: billionaire casino magnate Sheldon Adelson. The Hawaii Democrat reportedly introduced an Adelson-backed bill that would outlaw online gambling. Earlier this year, Gabbard won a Champions of Freedom Award at The World Values Network’s annual gala, co-hosted by Adelson.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/07/25/the-bernie-endorsing-congresswoman-who-trump-fans-can-love.html

» Posted By AdLib On November 10, 2016 @ 7:06 am

Murph, I think it makes the most sense to select someone for the nom because of who they are, not because of what their age is.

Warren is the only Democrat, outside of Obama and Bernie, who excites the base and can rally them. A Dem who is in their 50s, whoever they are, can’t do that (at least none that I know of).

So if the goal is to energize the base and win an election, you go with the nominee who can do that, whatever their age.

As for your concern, I do share it. However, I don’t know that American voters have ever really been that educated in their voting. The voters that swing elections seem to operate primarily on emotions, not knowledge and reason. Obama was elected originally in an emotional reaction to the trauma Bush caused. That is, the swing voters helped elect them for that reason. Trump was elected for emotional reasons. Reagan won over Carter because of emotional reasons, on and on.

There are a lot of stupid people in this country, a lot who revel in their ignorance and compensate for their stupidity by having spite for facts and educated people. Morons are as American as Frito chili pie.

It seems to me that elections are really about finding the right emotional button to press on American Idiots to manipulate them into voting in their best interests along with Dems.

And don’t forget, Trump didn’t outperform Romney’s vote total in 2012, this election was lost because of a lack of Dem voter turnout for Hillary, plain and simple.

Again, it’s about emotion. Having a nom like Obama who can get excite voters is critical. A nom like Hillary who lacks that aspect is at a handicap against an emotional manipulator like Trump.

In 2020, we need a nom who has that trait. Warren has it. I’m open to someone else if they can be as strong or stronger than Warren when it comes to exciting the base and being able to reach out to working class voters. Until someone else comes along, I think she’s the best bet.

» Posted By AdLib On November 9, 2016 @ 11:07 pm

Thanks Murph!

John McCain will be 92 after his new term is over. So if we’re talking about people who are too old to do the job, I’d look over that way.

No one sweated Hillary, Trump or Bernie being around 70 so why would it be any different with Warren? Age is a number, some folks who are 70 are not as physically able to take a lot of stress and exhaustion, others are. I’d say Warren sure looks like someone who would be just as strong as Hillary, Trump or Sanders when she’s that age.

I’m not sure I understand what you mean, that she is attached to the campaign? Everyone knows she was the last Senator to support Hillary and wasn’t enthusiastic about her until the GE came and she had to be out of loyalty to the party. I don’t see it having any impact on her candidacy, do you?

Warren has the Bernie Sanders Dem core that would support her and they nearly won the primary against one of the most powerful candidates there’s been in a Dem primary. In 2020, after 4 years of Trump, they will be enormously energized. I think she is perfectly positioned to beat Trump in 2020.

Who do you think would be a better prospect for 2020?

» Posted By AdLib On November 9, 2016 @ 4:06 pm

Thanks jj, nice to see you back!

I think we give way too much credit to the uneducated voters who vote Republican. They clearly are so easily fooled by con men like Trump, they don’t vote with their brains, they vote with their spleens. If they were capable of learning, they wouldn’t have kept voting Republican after doing so has led them right into the unhappy predicaments they’re in.

Trump pandered to their hatred, fears and foolishness, they lapped up all of his lies like they were manna from heaven and voted for him no matter what he did or said.

We are cursed as a country to have this segment of America so poorly educated and informed. It’s not all their fault, rural areas are neglected but more by state and local government than by federal government. And they are very religious about their political beliefs, committing blind faith to being a Republican no matter what throughout their lives and seeing Democrats as evil.

All we can do in the short term is have Dem candidates who energize turnout to overcome the unwavering turnout by these people for Repubs. That’s how Obama won both times and that’s how Hillary lost this time.

We’re in for a pretty awful time for the next 4 years. With the ACA gone, 20 million people will have health insurance ripped away from them and rates will skyrocket as they used to, those with pre-existing conditions will be kicked off their insurance and allowing companies to escape state oversight, the corruption in insurance will become rampant. And that’s just health insurance!

We need to focus our energies productively and I think getting behind Warren for a 2020 run would be ideal.

I don’t think anyone on the planet will escape the impact of Trump being President so we’re all in for the same awful 4 year ride but we can end it there.

» Posted By AdLib On November 9, 2016 @ 3:53 pm

Which Trump Won?

RSGmusic, I will ask once more that you restrain yourself from trying to interrogate members here to prove this obsessive accusation of yours.

I am bewildered why you are so obsessed with this.

The Russian government and our own FBI have successfully manipulated our election and you show absolutely no concern or recognition of that. I don’t understand it.

You’re instead consumed by trying to prove a spiteful rumor against around half of the Democratic Party as being traitors because they preferred a different candidate in the primary.

Most of us respect democracy, we don’t look at having a choice of candidates as “betrayal”.

Dems who supported Bernie in the primaries did not cost Hillary the election, you may need to believe that but it’s just emotional finger pointing with no facts behind it.

Again, Hillary would be President if she won the traditionally Dem states of WI, MI and PA. All the info is in now that she lost them because conservative white Dems flipped and voted for Trump. Those were not Bernie supporters and Hillary failed to inspire those conservative Dems to stay in the Dem party and vote for her. That’s on her and all the other forces that I mentioned above who were arrayed against her.

Dems attack Repubs for denying Climate Change despite all the data being in and 99% of scientists stating it’s real.

All the data and professional analysis of why Hillary lost is in and is clear as Climate Change. If you insist on denying it, you’re in the same boat as Repubs denying Climate Change.

And it’s a leaky boat.

» Posted By AdLib On November 11, 2016 @ 11:50 am

RSGmusic, I never answer questions that are part of an accusation. Especially an unfounded accusation. It’s not respectful or polite to “interrogate” someone even if it’s self-described as “polite”.

If you can’t figure it out, I suppose it will always remain a mystery.

» Posted By AdLib On November 11, 2016 @ 10:13 am

RSG – If you’re not angry then that’s a good thing.

Even so, anger can be very productive if it’s channeled properly.

I think we should be angry that a minority of voters, some of whom are racists, misogynists and other nasty things, pushed this mentally unstable egomaniac into the WH.

But they had help from the greedy MSM, Putin, the FBI and Wikileaks…a true manipulation of our election by outside forces.

And I’m sure you can figure out who I voted for, it’s pretty obvious.

» Posted By AdLib On November 10, 2016 @ 9:50 pm

RSGMusic, your blind rage is unflattering.

Just to be clear, I would wager that every active member at PlanetPOV voted, whoever they supported in the primaries.

It’s clear that you’re angry and upset, many here are as well but they aren’t turning on each other as you are doing. You’re actually doing Trump’s work for him by trying to attack and divide Dems.

Consider that none of your accusations are backed up by any facts or studies, just similar unfounded claims by others wanting to strike out destructively at fellow Dems.

It can feel like a salve to point a finger at others you don’t even know and claim they’re solely responsible for something that makes you angry (while you’re unaware that they are just as angry about the same thing but aren’t trying to scapegoat others) but it’s self-deceptive.

Hillary lost and several factors were behind it. Not being a change candidate in a change election, FBI and Comey, Wikileaks, Putin and Russia and the MSM promoting Trump because he was good for ratings.

Drilling down, what is proven in the exit polls is that Hillary lost white conservative “Reagan Democrats” in MI, WI and PA. Those are not Bernie voters so what you’re so upset about isn’t grounded in the reality of the facts and figures.

Had Hillary won those three states, she would be President. She lost them and FL because those white conservatives moved over from Obama voters to Trump voters.

Why they did it seems to be that they saw Hillary as an establishment candidate who would continue Obama’s policies and they wanted change no matter how ugly and dangerous it is. In the eyes of most Dems, including me, that’s insane and moronic.

The irony is that these were the same voters who supported and got Bill Clinton elected, not to mention Obama…but also Bush. They are fickle and ignorant, they vote against their own interest because they act out of emotion instead of facts and reason.

Which is why when one acts out of emotion instead of reason, one undercuts oneself.

I would propose that you research this instead of preaching unfounded accusations about people you don’t even know. There is data behind what I’m presenting and what you’re upset about has no credible basis that I’ve seen.

Here is a link to an article that came out today that uses facts, figures and reason to illustrate why Hillary lost:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/09/hillary-clinton-election-president-loss

If you really want to fight against Trump and beat him in 2020, attacking half of your potential allies in that pursuit is just as much acting against your own interest as those who voted for Trump.

» Posted By AdLib On November 10, 2016 @ 7:16 pm

gyp46, they want the public dumber and children full of lead so they don’t get smart. So getting rid of the EPA and Dept. of Ed. make a lot of sense to them.

» Posted By AdLib On November 10, 2016 @ 1:31 pm

Kes, I wonder though if they’ll just rationalize away all of Trump’s failures or blame them on the Dems or Obama.

They did that in the campaign, wonder if they’ll do that when their health insurance, welfare. etc. is taken away from them by their savior.

» Posted By AdLib On November 10, 2016 @ 10:17 am

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