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Vox Populi – 09-15-2023

September 15, 2023

Vox Populi, our weekly live chat about the week’s events begins tonight at 7:00pm PDT. Hope to see you then!

AdLib3 hours ago

Hey TW!

AdLiban hour ago

Hey Murph!

AdLiban hour ago

Hey Ad how are doing today? Lots to discuss.

twilson117

an hour ago

Murph is in the house.

twilson117

an hour ago

No kidding, TW. Did you see Jack Smith’s motion to muzzle Trump?

AdLiban hour ago

Hey glenn!!!

AdLiban hour ago

Ad Yes I have it here on my desk I was going through it.

twilson117

an hour ago

Good evening gents. Hope everyone is doing well.

glenn

an hour ago

He Glenn

twilson117

an hour ago

glenn – I’m doing well, how are you doing?

AdLiban hour ago

Hi TW

glenn

an hour ago

Ad— I’m doing all right.

glenn

an hour ago

Hi there. Especially to Glenn….

MurphTheSurf3

an hour ago

And it looks like the MAGA House impeachment inquiry on Biden is already self-destructing as they also are failing to pass the budget bills!

AdLiban hour ago

That’s good to hear, glenn.

AdLiban hour ago

Hey Murph. Thanks for the shout out.

glenn

an hour ago

Glenn…..think of you often…..I am glad to read that things feel good right now.

MurphTheSurf3

an hour ago

A MAGA shutdown of the US seems very likely.

AdLiban hour ago

Ad— I can’t believe those stupid GOP senators are going to try and shut down the government again.

glenn

an hour ago

Oh thanks Murph. I try to get here as much as I can. I really enjoy talking to you all and getting a good perspective on what’s happening in the world.

glenn

an hour ago

The GOP ….. and to think I was once one of them….of course it was an entirely different entity at that time.

MurphTheSurf3

an hour ago

All the House is in total disarray and McCarthy is two shades away from losing his speakership.

twilson117

an hour ago

Murph what made you change to a Democrat? And when did you change

glenn

an hour ago

glenn – The stupid GOP House has only passed 1 of like 14 bills that must be passed and only two weeks left but they are having a civil war over it. Just read that MAGA Moron Ron Johnson just threw a roadblock in the way of The Senate which was moving forward smoothly to pass aa budget. MAGA traitors want to destroy the country, who can argue otherwise?

AdLiban hour ago

Murph we won’t hold it against you for being an Ike Republican he was one of the reasonable ones. If he was alive the current Rep party would call him a traitor for fighting against Hilter.

twilson117

an hour ago

Murph – Being a Repub used to be an actual option for sane people.

AdLiban hour ago

Oh for sure, Ad. I’m not arguing with you.

glenn

an hour ago

Glenn …. I grew up in the South where the GOP was a party of progress….very much supportive of the civil rights movement….the party was an interesting amalgam of good sense, plus appropriate policy when Dems were the party of the KKK

MurphTheSurf3

an hour ago

Ad what did Johnson do now??

twilson117

an hour ago

TW – I think McCarthy’s pandering has finally forced him into a corner that there’s no way out of, he slipped out of it here and there but now there’s nowhere for him to go. I’m so amused at Gaetz going after him! Over the next two weeks, Repubs may regret reversing the ban on guns in The Capitol.

AdLiban hour ago

Murph and I didn’t realize you grew up in the south. So when do you think the republican party changed? Was it during Reagan?

glenn

an hour ago

Yes, Ad a choice….when I moved to midwest, the GOP was the party of integrity in government….standing up to machine politics for ex.

MurphTheSurf3

an hour ago

Ad McCarthy may set a record for being the shortest speaker of the House.

twilson117

an hour ago

Murph I know it was true then but I don’t see any integrity in the republican party nowadays.

glenn

an hour ago

TW – Johnson has refused to do a consent vote to allow all of the budget bills to be passed as an omnibus, which is SOP for House and Senate. Now, each bill can be debated, amendments proposed, it gums up the works with only 2 weeks left until government shuts down.

AdLiban hour ago

Ad— Is Gaetz gunning for the speaker ship do you think?

glenn

an hour ago

Glenn….I could write a book on when and how it changed….but so many others beat me to it. I actually worked for GOP candidates for the Governorship, Senate and House….for me it was the corruption of the Nixon administration that tainted and turned the party along with its growing association with restrictive social policy allied with the embracing of right wing groups and the seizure of the NRA…so much.

MurphTheSurf3

an hour ago

Murph seeing how both parties operate I believe is good reason to be independent then caste your vote for candidate who most supports ones’ political views.

twilson117

an hour ago

Oh, Green, the contemporary GOP is craven and disloyal.

MurphTheSurf3

an hour ago

Murph although a lot of people have written books you should try it yourself. I think it would be a great book.

glenn

an hour ago

Murph – I still have good friends and relatives who are Repubs. I don’t debate any of it with them because it’s pointless but in the old days, I could have some good debates with Repubs who were rational. Today, it’s like debating the Manson Family that Charles might not be doing what’s best for them.

AdLiban hour ago

Glenn…what a fine judo to toss my way…….

MurphTheSurf3

an hour ago

Murph you’re welcome

glenn

an hour ago

Ad…debsating the Manson Family….great analogy.

MurphTheSurf3

an hour ago

Ad— Yeah I’ve given up debating politics with the people here. I just can’t understand how they can support Trump I just can’t. So when they start talking politics I just get up and walk away.

glenn

an hour ago

TW – McCarthy has already set the record for The Speaker having the least number of vertebra so add this to his record breaking speakership.

AdLiban hour ago

L O L

glenn

an hour ago

Glenn Gaetz knows he has no chance of getting the role of Speaker, he wants to be in the stands and just bark at whoever has the job he has not leadership ability at all.

twilson117

an hour ago

The thing is that NO ONE can get and hold the Speakership in the House because the G0P is a party of pirhanas

MurphTheSurf3

an hour ago

TW— I suppose Gates thinks he’s getting some good publicity from all of this barking he’s doing.

glenn

an hour ago

glenn – No, I would guess Gaetz knows he could never win the speakership, he’s an opportunist and he sees that McCarthy is at his weakest now, if he can rally the MAGAs in The House to bring him down, Gaetz probably thinks he can be the kingmaker for the nest Speaker and get power like MTG did with McCarthy.

AdLiban hour ago

TW…good insight into Goetz goals.

MurphTheSurf3

an hour ago

Ad— As usual with three pubs it’s all about the power.

glenn

an hour ago

Ad Maccarthy has Jello for a spine

twilson117

an hour ago

TW— Yeah yellow Jell-O

glenn

an hour ago

Murph I think you should write your book and put your spin on it.

twilson117

an hour ago

Glenn Thats funny.

twilson117

an hour ago

McCarthy said two weeks ago in several settings that any movement toward an impeachment inquiry would have to go the floor of the House……it did not…..he was forced to mandate it without any idea if there was support for the effort and without debate.

MurphTheSurf3

an hour ago

glenn – I used to debate even obnoxious Repubs on HuffPost but eventually learned that the ones willing to debate merely want to get you upset and delight in that and the others are like cult members, they discount every word you say whether or not its backed up by facts. Pointless to debate cultists.

AdLiban hour ago

Yellow Jello…yep you nailed it.

MurphTheSurf3

an hour ago

Murph because the stupid people like Gaetz are pushing him to do that.

glenn

an hour ago

Murph – I think that’s very much the case. Who could become Speaker and not have to kowtow to the MAGA extremists or be thrown out?

AdLiban hour ago

Glenn I am sure that he had no choice….there would have been a vote….to dump him….his days are numbered.

MurphTheSurf3

an hour ago

Ad— Yeah I know what you mean I used to try to present facts to this one woman here but she just discounted everything I said. It was so frustrating. So now I just walk away.

glenn

an hour ago

Murph the money they are wasting on doing this so called Biden impeachment clearly failure of clear stewardship of their oath of office and fiscal responsibility in my opinion.

twilson117

an hour ago

Glenn what is that she sees in Trump that makes her believe in him?

twilson117

an hour ago

Murph – I saw McCarthy confronted by a reporter (Manu Raju?) about how he had flipped on his vow to hold a vote first before an impeachment hearing and McCarthy blathered with flopsweat dripping down as he blamed…Nancy Pelosi…for him being a liar and hypocrite.

AdLiban hour ago

TW— I hope many people in the US agree with you. Period

glenn

an hour ago

Ad what else could he do?

twilson117

an hour ago

TW— That response got really screwed up. I do hope that many people agree with you and then it shows in the voting booths time around

glenn

an hour ago

I am surrounded by MAGATs here in Misery…….I was asked to day by a very obnoxious neighbor if I was going to “fall for the lies and get any other COVID and now the RSV vaccines. I told him I had lots of info about it if he was interested but that I suspect that he was buying the propaganda from his crowd. I then said…..I will however be sure to send flowers if you should get sick and perish…many have. And then I walked away.

MurphTheSurf3

an hour ago

glenn – It’s hard for someone thoughtful and reasoned to go into a conversation believing that the other person is a mindless follower. There must be some way to reach them, we may think. But there isn’t. It’s like trying to explain Uber to a caveman.

AdLiban hour ago

TW— I don’t think it’s so much what she sees in Trump as what she thinks about the Democratic Party. She thinks Biden is a mess and she thinks the US is a mess. She’s not a fox viewer but she watches a lot of

glenn

an hour ago

TW….the GOP is a party of waste….so they haven’t a bit of reticence about spending our money.

MurphTheSurf3

44 minutes ago

Sorry she follows a lot of right wing outlets on YouTube and places like that. And of course she thinks that Biden is corrupt. When I try to point out that Trump is correct is corrupt

glenn

44 minutes ago

Murph – Well said to the MAGA guy. I would also like to ask him, “Are you saying you don’t know anyone who caught Covid and either needed to go to the hospital or died? Because I do.

AdLib44 minutes ago

When I try to point out that Trump is corrupt she just dismisses me and tells me that he’s rich and he doesn’t need to be corrupt.

glenn

44 minutes ago

Murph great response!

glenn

43 minutes ago

Glenn, so many folks listen to what others say, but will not do their own research or bother to read other opinions on things. It’s a lack of intellectual curiosity. Curiosity doesn’t go away when we get older if anything I believe it increases. But, that’s me.

twilson117

42 minutes ago

Ad— Yes as I said I have given up trying to get through to her.

glenn

42 minutes ago

Ad….my neck of the woods had a very high infection rate and very high death rate….did not faze them in the list…..the FBI was poisoning their water doncha know!

MurphTheSurf3

42 minutes ago

Murph you’re correct on that. They have been (and Dem’s also) for so long it’s something they see as a right of passage.

twilson117

41 minutes ago

TW— The sad thing about this woman is that she thinks she has done her own research. Unfortunately it’s with these out of the world right wing outlets. Some of the people she tells me she listens to I’ve never even heard of. And I think intellectual curiosity as you get older it’s because you have more time to pursue some of the things that you want to

glenn

41 minutes ago

TW…….I find that my Mega neighbors have deeply held prejudices and feelings that they have been robbed of their lives by the wicked left and they seek out anything and anyone who tells they are correct and should be honored.

MurphTheSurf3

40 minutes ago

Well gents I’m fading fast. So glad I got to talk with you guys tonight. Hope to see you next week

glenn

40 minutes ago

Glenn I agree with you on the older part for intellectual curiosity.

twilson117

39 minutes ago

Glenn….so good to see and hear you.

MurphTheSurf3

39 minutes ago

If we zoom out really wide, what we see is not a political party but an authoritarian movement, led by a fascist, that is working to tear down our right to vote, fair elections, equality, civil rights, women’s rights, the judicial system, law enforcement, supercharge claimate change disasters and starve the elderly and the poor. And…we accept as “normal” that this fascist group will threaten and attack anyone who they see as their opposition, whether that’s political opponents, election workers, judges, free speech, the FBI and DoJ, anyone! It is a terrorist group no less absolutist than the Taliban or ISIS.

AdLib39 minutes ago

Glad you could make it, glenn! Have a nice weekend!

AdLib39 minutes ago

Thanks Murph good to talk to you to

glenn

39 minutes ago

Thanks Ad you do the same.

glenn

38 minutes ago

Murph now that is interesting from this pov, thinking Dems did them wrong so they will hold a grudge for every, but what do they say when and if someone who isn’t a dem or rep does something for them that is out character and nice what do they say to that?

twilson117

37 minutes ago

We should really be completely alarmed and outraged and having our DoJ aggressively identifying any and every MAGA who dares to threaten anyone else in this terroristic way.

AdLib36 minutes ago

Glenn take care.

twilson117

36 minutes ago

TW…..these people live to be angry, beset, and grumbling.

MurphTheSurf3

36 minutes ago

Murph so it’s the lot in life and they feel it’s all because of Dem’s, not the choices they made.

twilson117

35 minutes ago

TW……absolutely….they are the true American sons and daughters of liberty.

MurphTheSurf3

35 minutes ago

Murph – Of course MAGAs will always find some lie to clutch onto to avoid reality but to any of them who goes on with their BS about Covid, asking them to stop for a moment and think about people they know who got very ill or died, could at least shut their maniacla mouths for a moment. I mentioned this for the very reason you mentioned, I know Covid was very rampant in MO and other Red states, which is why I’d think nearly everyone would know someone who was infected and made ill.

AdLib34 minutes ago

Murph true sons and daughters of liberty, that’s really funny considering true sons and daughters of liberty wouldn’t complain they find a way to fix the problem.

twilson117

34 minutes ago

Ad…..I watched as one mega zealot after another (including numbers of family members)…..and how it was explained as the action of the GOVERNMENT to silence them….poisoned.

MurphTheSurf3

32 minutes ago

Murph – So what are you seeing about the children of these MAGAs, what percentage are walking in their footsteps and what percentage are walking away from their parents hateful obsessions?

AdLib32 minutes ago

Ad……I see few who go any farther than arms length.

MurphTheSurf3

31 minutes ago

Murph – I know they say that with gusto but don’t you think there’s a part of them that know they’re needy to believe their lies.

AdLib30 minutes ago

Murph so it’s the government’s fault for all that befell them? Is just the Dem Government that is the problem? Or do they remember some of our tough times were under Repubs as well?

twilson117

30 minutes ago

Ad Lib….Among the faithful there is very, very, little room for doubting or questioning.

MurphTheSurf3

30 minutes ago

TW…..ex. Fauci and the Jewish Conspiracy is behind much of it.

MurphTheSurf3

29 minutes ago

Murph – That’s too bad. In less extremist areas, young people are moving massively to Dems, I’ve quoted here before that there will be like a 10 million voter swing between old MAGAs dying by 2024 and young voters becoming eligible to vote. Its going hugely towards the Dems which is why DeSantis and his like are trying to create propaganda “schools”, to brainwash the youth that’s abandoning them en masse.

AdLib28 minutes ago

Murph I’m also going to guess that a lot of their beliefs come from their Sunday church meetings with the pastor talking about the evils of the government not following God’s plan for man right?

twilson117

28 minutes ago

Ad, your words gladden me.

MurphTheSurf3

28 minutes ago

Ad what’s this about part of your State wanting to become part of Idaho

twilson117

27 minutes ago

TW….churches do endorse much of that thinking…but of note “their” churches are as scarily populated as “the libs”

MurphTheSurf3

27 minutes ago

Murph more on the last part about the churches and libs

twilson117

26 minutes ago

Murph – With the redistricting going on after the surprising SCOTUS ruling supporting the VRA and the Repubs in purple districts and states having to carry the burden of the MAGA fascism and a soon-to-be convicted criminal, I think we have the chance in 2024 to have a breaking point where the Repubs continue descending, weighed down against reaching a majority for many years by these mindless hating machines that represent their base of voters. There are NO issues or platforms anymore for Repubs aside from hate and fear.

AdLib25 minutes ago

TW…I think that only churches that are doing well are those with a small to medium sized congregation that provides a sense of community and does not pound in dogma.

MurphTheSurf3

24 minutes ago

Murph okay I understand now.

twilson117

24 minutes ago

Murph – That 10 million swing thanks to young voters and dead MAGAs is calculated between 2020 and 2024, over those 4 years, America has grown a bigger Dem majority and the surprising overperformances of Dems in elections since help display that. Of course, killing Roe and platforming a rapist, bigot, and seditionist as the party’s leader doesn’t help either.

AdLib23 minutes ago

Trump and Repubs were so excited to ghet Putin’s endorsement. You know, they’re the America First party, getting french kissed by the war criminal dictator of our top enemy nation proves that, right?

AdLib22 minutes ago

Ad, your reading on the Nature of the GOP today points out soft spots in their posture…of course if the Left wins this time around there will be more calls for armed uprising.

MurphTheSurf3

22 minutes ago

Ad….from your typed news to the ballot box…oh, please

MurphTheSurf3

21 minutes ago

Murph I will say this, some time back I was in your state for a training session, and I was outside one night looking over the landscape as the sun was setting and I had a sense of calm and I sort of understood why folks in your state have such strong beliefs in a Creator. But, have to say I am still mystified as to why the would believe in someone like Trump given the state motto is “show me.”

twilson117

20 minutes ago

TW – That’s Oregon, it’s been going on for a while. Eastern OR is very RW and MAGA but they are very outnumbered by Western OR and those in major cities. So they whine about becoming part of KKK-friendly Idaho. Never going to happen. The OR government would need to sign off on losing part of their state, ain’t gonna happen.

AdLib20 minutes ago

Tw….this is a rather attractive, if unimpressive, place to live.

MurphTheSurf3

18 minutes ago

Ad, yes you’re right got my states mixed up.

twilson117

18 minutes ago

TW,,,,eastern Oregon aye? Why there?

MurphTheSurf3

17 minutes ago

Ad….sorry…it was your comment…why is eastern Oregon so right wing.

MurphTheSurf3

16 minutes ago

All, what is about folks who think succession is something they can do just because they don’t like their current state government? It didn’t work out so well some time ago.

twilson117

16 minutes ago

Murph – Agreed, more calls for armed uprisings but knowing bullies are cowards, seeing the 1/6 MAGAs going to prison for many years has already scared MAGAs from protesting Trump’s arrests despite him begging them to. Same will be true when Dems win in 2024. Just hope the heightened threats from them push Dems to drop the filibuster, pass voting rights and strip these nutjobs of undemocratic power. Look at WI, trying to impeach a justice before they’ve even served to overthrow her election? Repubs need to be stopped while they can be from overthrowing our democracy because that’s the only path to power left for them.

AdLib16 minutes ago

Ad…for the right, government by coup is part of their wiring.

MurphTheSurf3

14 minutes ago

Murph – Eastern OR is not so dissimilar to MO, many small rural towns, some farming, not any big cities or multicultural populations, very white and racist.

AdLib14 minutes ago

AD ,,,, Wasn’t ore a haven for flower children and their disciple.s

MurphTheSurf3

13 minutes ago

Ad it’s my understanding Idaho has taken on that persona as well.

twilson117

13 minutes ago

Well friends…it is very good to exchange sensible arguments with those who respect legitimate dialog….you folks are super……any interest in a bit of farm real estate?

MurphTheSurf3

10 minutes ago

TW – First of all, if MTG suggests something, you can count on it being illegal, impossible or fictional. States have no method or right to secede, that’s why there was a Civil War. States absolutely can’t secede. No way to do it. Besides that, the Red states that whine the most about seceding, take more money from blue states through the Fed govt than they contribute, Red states would go belly up economically if they didn’t have blue states subsidizing them as part of the US. So even if they could secede, they would cut their own throats (all the military bases and spending disappears from red states, how’s that gonna work out?)

AdLib10 minutes ago

Murph – Western OR, Portland and such, are incredibly liberal places. But Eastern OR is like Alabama.

AdLib9 minutes ago

Murph – Heh! You could always move out to CA and farnm out here, we can grow almost anything!

AdLib8 minutes ago

AD….WHAT A SENSIBLE APPROACH….MTG will have none of that….you lib!

MurphTheSurf3

8 minutes ago

Ad agree with everything you said. The Civil War settled the question on succession.

twilson117

8 minutes ago

Murph – How fun to imagine all of these states slowly realizing as they watch all the US military spending and facilities shut down, “Uh oh!”

AdLib8 minutes ago

MTG is another walking idiot in the House.

twilson117

8 minutes ago

MTG…I hear she enjoys good theater…..snarky.

MurphTheSurf3

7 minutes ago

And how about Boebert getting thrown out? Vaping and feeling each other up in a theater? You can take the girl out of the trash but you can’t take the trash out of the girl.

AdLib6 minutes ago

Hey did you see Bobert getting tossed out of the theater for vapoing and singing too loud and being her obnoxious self?

twilson117

6 minutes ago

Ad…..great on liner…trash lady

MurphTheSurf3

6 minutes ago

QUote me on this, Boebert loses in 2024. And MTG has such low favorables in her district, it’s very Red but stfranger things have happened.

AdLib6 minutes ago

Ad I saw the video what a jerk.

twilson117

6 minutes ago

TW….DIDN’THE KNOW WHO SHE WAS!!!!!!!!!

MurphTheSurf3

5 minutes ago

Murph they didn’t give a damn!!

twilson117

5 minutes ago

I just saw the video of her and her disgusting date feeling each other up after she vaped. In a better time, she would be chargeed in the Ethics Committee.

AdLib5 minutes ago

Ad yes she only won by a handful of votes last time. I bet she doesn’t even run for reelection.

twilson117

4 minutes ago

Murph – Yep, it always works out when an official is caught doing something wrong.

AdLib4 minutes ago

And they say, “DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM?”

AdLib4 minutes ago

It is clear that the GOP are like Maynard G Krebs…dobie gillis trivia….allergic to WORK.

MurphTheSurf3

3 minutes ago

Ad I wouldn’t count on the ethics committee doing anything Santos is still in Congress.

twilson117

3 minutes ago

TW – Oh, she’ll run because this is all she has now and she wants the lifetime pension that they only get after serving 5 years. She’s running, but into a wall.

AdLib3 minutes ago