Vox Populi, our weekly live chat about the week’s events begins tonight at 7:00pm PDT. Hope to see you then! AdLib 3 hours ago
Hey AdLIb I know I’m early but thought I would jump in and say Happy Friday 13th and I’m still wating for the news the moving trucks should up at the WH moving Bidnen out in Trump** oh wait it’s not happening!!
twilson117 2 hours ago
Hey TW! Maybe we can get Trump thinking he’s being re-instated but drive him up to the prison gates and let him rush in? AdLib an hour ago
If Trump runs in 2024, will he have the My Pillow guy as his VP? AdLib an hour ago
Hey PPO! AdLib an hour ago
Well he is used to his organe color so an organe jump suit would match his complexion. twilson117 an hour ago
Hey PPO twilson117 an hour ago
Hi Ad, TW. How many cheeseburgers has the WH catering ordered? pinkpantheroz an hour ago
The last I checked PPO 0 twilson117 an hour ago
TW – With his orange face, Trump would look like just a pair of eyes in his prison jumpsuit. AdLib an hour ago
Well we’re only 2 months away from Holloween twilson117 an hour ago
PPO – They’ve emptied out the local McDonalds, cold, nasty burgers for everyone! It’s Reinstallation Day! AdLib an hour ago
A bit of news from Fergie and me. We squashed our terrors, seeing how deadly the Delta strain is, and went Friday and got our first AZ shots. No bad effects yet and hopefully never. pinkpantheroz an hour ago
PPO – That’s great news! AdLib an hour ago
Hey PPO good to hear twilson117 an hour ago
PPO – So it’s been a week since you both had your shots? AdLib an hour ago
Thanks folks, it was getting just too risky not to have anything at all.AZ is the only one available for over 60s! pinkpantheroz an hour ago
Nope, ad, yesterday (here!) pinkpantheroz an hour ago
Hiya Murph! pinkpantheroz an hour ago
Hey Murph twilson117 an hour ago
Happy Reinstatement Day!
MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago
PPO – Definitely, it’s risky nowadays and so much better to be vaccinated. It has definitely reduced my stress about catching COVID since getting it. AdLib an hour ago
I am happy. Biden is in the WH and Trump is not. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago
Hey Murph! AdLib an hour ago
Yeah were are the party favors and beer twilson117 an hour ago
We get shots #2 in 12 weeks. pinkpantheroz an hour ago
PPO – So it’s been a day and no reaction to it, that’s so good to hear. AdLib an hour ago
So why did Mike Lindell pick Friday the 13th as the “lucky” day for Trump? AdLib an hour ago
You have to wait 12 weeks?? twilson117 an hour ago
OK….Ad….talk me in off the ledge…..Is Newsom going to be recalled with a GOP lackey taking his place having the power to appoint a Senator if your Senior Senator is no longer in place. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago
PPO why does Lindell do anything he does? twilson117 an hour ago
tw, apparently so. supposedly better for long term protection. I don’t have a clue. pinkpantheroz an hour ago
Murph – Right now, the polls are showing the recall as being close but the campaign is just starting from Newsom, Biden and the Dem Party to energize folks to vote no on impeachment. Biden and Harris are both coming out here and a ton of money is about to drop to support Newsom. It shouldn’t be that close as of now, I question the polling’s accuracy but the campaign for Newsom will start pushing up the vote for him I think. The average Californian has positive opinions of him but it’s all about getting people to return their mail-in ballot. AdLib an hour ago
PPO wow, wife and I had a 4 week maybe it was 5 wait for the second shot but we had the moderna twilson117 an hour ago
PPO – That does seem like a much longer time but I had heard a longer period between shots could be better in it lasting longer. Still, we have a 2 week margin, 12 weeks seems a bit long. AdLib an hour ago
Ad….I trust your wisdom in this. I have admired Newsom for a long time and see the recall as another indicator of how loathsome the GOP has become….a party of assassins. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago
TW, yes it is different for each brand pinkpantheroz an hour ago
Hey all! Good to see you. choicelady an hour ago
PPO what’s important you now have it twilson117 an hour ago
Hey CL twilson117 an hour ago
My primary care physician is among the smartest people I know….he is urging caution re. the Booster shots until the CDC further defines who needs to get it (i.e. as a result of their immune systems status). MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago
PPO – I’m sorry you have to wait, but yes, it’s good to HAVE it. choicelady an hour ago
Hi cl! pinkpantheroz an hour ago
Hey PPO = good to see you! choicelady an hour ago
Muprh yes I hear waiting on bosters is recommended. twilson117 an hour ago
Hello choice….same question for you that I addressed to Ad (and that he answered very well)….talk me in off the ledge…..Is Newsom going to be recalled with a GOP lackey taking his place having the power to appoint a Senator if your Senior Senator is no longer in place. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago
The San Diego Union is doing a lot of the polling and they are a GOP-leaning paper. I don’t know their reputation for polling but I’ve never relied on them. Still, it looks close but as I said, a serious campaign for Newsom hasn’t happened yet so the campaign starting now could help a bit. AdLib an hour ago
Hey CL! AdLib an hour ago
Murph – What is the concern about booster shots from your doctor? AdLib an hour ago
Ad does Newsom appear worried? twilson117 an hour ago
Hey AD! choicelady an hour ago
Another heads up from my doctor…..really a star in the medical system that cares for me and most of my associates…….there is yet-to-be-defined flu like malady that is hitting people. He got it and was out of work for five days…..not covid-tested and negative….not the usual strains of flu-also tested- I will post his note to me on this here in a moment. Words to the wise. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago
Murph – it’s too close to say. I’m frantic, Ad’s frantic – we could have a DeSantis in November. CA people are genuinely stupid. choicelady an hour ago
Murph – I read about the weird new “flu” that isn’t the flu OR Covid. Scary stuff, and scientists are attributing these new problems to “bugs” freed by climate change. choicelady an hour ago
CL how is Newsom handling it?? twilson117 an hour ago
How about the conservative Dems in the House threatening to destroy the two track system if they can’t vote now on the bipartisan infrastructure deal and sabotage the reconcilliation deal? Insane, Pelosi and Biden have made clear that only the two track plan will work, to keep Progressives and moderates on board for both. These grandstanding conservative Dems actually call their group, which is aligned with Repubs, “The Problem Solvers Caucus”! What hypocrites. AdLib an hour ago
ad….the doctor says that boosters have, according to research trials that have been run, have been show to stimulate strong, and largely negative, reactions, from a larger percentage than the initial inoculations. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago
TW – he’s doubling down w ads, and I think it will work. choicelady an hour ago
Mruph – what does “negative reactions” mean? choicelady an hour ago
Ad I think Nancy will get them in line, it seems she’s letting them blow off some steam but when the time comes she will get them all in a straight line. twilson117 an hour ago
Ad – don’t worry overmuch. Remember what Will Rogers said, “I belong to no organized political party. I’m a Democrat.” This isn’t new. choicelady an hour ago
My doc’s report….He was off work-sick for six days with a high fever, pounding headache, aches all over his body, trouble breathing, coughing, watery eyes and nose, and limited digested issue. During that time he was off work and bed bound living in his own quarters away from his family. He was tested twice for COVID. Negative both times and twice for flu. Also negative. Whatever it is….it has not been ID’d. He treated it with lots of fluids, rest, nourishing broths, vitamins, fruit cups, hot showers, acetaminophen, aleve, Day-Quil, Night Quil, Corriciden HPD, Robitussin 12 Hour Cough & Mucus Relief MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago
TW – Yes, Newsom and Dems are concerned that it will be a low turnout/mail-back election which would give the far more motivated Repubs the advantage. A law professor declared that the way our recall is run is unconstitutional since Newsom could receive a greater percentage of the vote, even if he loses, than the person who would replace him, likely a Repub with less than 20% of the vote. How is that a democratic contest? AdLib an hour ago
Murph – there is a new bacterial something going around, affected only a handful of people. Maybe he’s one of them? choicelady an hour ago
Ad – my organization sent out a “ballot guide” stating NO on Recall (our same position in 2003) so I know our 1.5 million members will pay SOME attention. choicelady an hour ago
Ad I saw the story about recall possibly being illegal but didn’t read it in depth will have to go back and check it out. twilson117 an hour ago
TW – I’d LOVE to know what you know. Ad – can you give TW my email so I can get the skinny ASAP on this??? choicelady an hour ago
CL….negative reactions apparently refer to symptoms of the very illness that the immunization is designed to fight, and, in some cases, an even stronger rejection mechanism….this was rare in the initial shots but is more common (although still not frequent) with the booster which is basically just another dose of the serum you have already taken. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago
Murph – I’m not one to quickly jump to adopt guesses about a new horrible plague so I’ll take it as his opinion and see if we hear more about this from others. AdLib an hour ago
Ad…understandable…but my experience with this guy, 13 years, has been phenomenal. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago
I have an immunocompromised condition, but it’s NOT systemic. I doubt I’m a candidate for the third shot. My BIL IS – an organ transplant recipient..The fact I have a screwed up thyroid seems pretty minor. choicelady an hour ago
Murph – I can see how that could be a real issue with boosters. I wonder though, would the risk of negative reactions be less likely in those who did not have any negative reaction to the others? AdLib an hour ago
CL when I figure out what I’m doing I’ll let you know. I the type stumbles around like a blind squrriel and occasionally finds a few nuts.
twilson117 an hour ago
Ad….since the boosters are being recommended for the immuno compromised…a group that appears to have been more likely to have a negative reaction….the concern seems to have real roots. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago
CL….Bill does seem to fit the profile. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago
TW – I agree, Nancy will likely bring this all home but I am really annoyed by the egos of Congresspeople like Manchin, Sinema and these House Dems. It’s always the conservative ones who hold the majority of Dems hostage. Have Manchin or Sinema just gone along with any big Biden proposal without howling early on about how they’re not on board and need to be coaxed or pandered to? I really dislike them. AdLib an hour ago
TW –
Whatever you have is fine. Thanks! choicelady an hour ago
Has anyone, ANYONE been arrested yet?? Going nuts seeing those crims poncing about. pinkpantheroz an hour ago
Murph – I think my BIL will be eligible. choicelady an hour ago
CL – I think many Californians haven’t been engaged at all in the recall and don’t even know whether voting yes or no would keep Newsom in office. This campaign that’s starting now will be pivotal. AdLib an hour ago
Ad that’s what they do in Congress and the Senate twilson117 an hour ago
PPO – they are moving up the ladder. Think of this as a RICO mob case You get lower level wiseguys to roll on upper level ones, then get them to rat out the Big Guy. This is what’s happening. choicelady an hour ago
Ad – Think you’re correct. choicelady an hour ago
Murph – That sounds terrible. CL says there is a bad bacterial disease going around but it doesn’t appear greatly contagious. I wonder if these are the same things? AdLib an hour ago
Guys – you may remember I said I’d hurt my shoulder badly 2 weeks ago? Well, i’m doing therapy but today, while the ARM is better, the shoulder is very painful. I’m going to need to drop out and medicate. If I can, I will return, but at the moment it’s very painful so…I need to move on. Hugs to you all. NEXT week I hope is better!!! choicelady an hour ago
Ok…thoughts on Afghanistan….my retired professor hat. Two years into the police action that was the essence of the Bush and NATO response to 9/11…..an effort to uproot the Taliban….the job was done thanks to what the U.S. and its allies could bring to the table (weapons, intelligence, air support, specialized tactics and cash) AND the boots on the ground that was the Northern Alliance (the Mujahedeen who tossed out the Russians) and the Tribal Chieftains both of whom regarded the Pakistani backed Taliban as enemies of the worst sort. SO,it was done and then WE (Bush and Cheney) decided the U.S. could use a client state in that part of Asia and engineered the creation of a paper republic that both the Mujahedeen and Tribal leaders rejected. It has been downhill ever since. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago
CL – That ballot guide is so needed and will absolutely help. Awareness seems like the biggest issue, the GOP has high awareness because they’re pushing this as a way to commit a “legal” coup to take the governorship in a state that would never elect a Repub in a regular election year. Dems in CA need to be alerted to how critical their vote is and to vote “no”. AdLib an hour ago
get well, CL. pinkpantheroz an hour ago
Take care CL twilson117 an hour ago
CL – Here is the Op-Ed by Erwin Chemerinsky (who I was in contact with on the HOPE proposition): “There Is a Problem With California’s Recall. It’s Unconstitutional.” https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/11/opinion/california-recall-election-newsom.html AdLib an hour ago
Murph I start witht the obvious, Bush and Cheney should have never taken their off the ball and strike out at Iraq. twilson117 an hour ago
TW…and Iraq was another part of the Bush-Cheney new-American-empire dream. With Afghanistan in Asia and both Israel and Iraq in the Middle East…all as client states…..the U.S. position vis a vis opposition states, China mostly but Russia somewhat as well, would have been vastly improved. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago
I think that Cheney had an oil-baron’s approach to all of this….to control what is valuable under the sand and rock it is best to control what is above ground by forming alliances with the power brokers there. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago
Murph – Your explanation of the Afghanistan conflict makes sense. I would add to it that after 20 years of training, support, financing, arming, and cooperation, the Afghan military folds like a wet napkin immediately when the Taliban advances, tells me that at least those in power in Afghanistan under the US are failures and have betrayed their people. Either we committed to being the permanent military occupiers of Afghanistan, forever, or this would happen anyway whenvere we left. It’s the Kobiashi Maru, if you know Star Trek lore. A no win situation. AdLib 44 minutes ago
I am mad that the arrogance of the US Coalition thinking they could cowe Afghanistan cost so many lives. History shows that no one conquers those people. Yet another miscalculation like Vietnam. I wonder where is next? pinkpantheroz 43 minutes ago
Ad…the complete absence of the ruling class in Afghanistan in the crisis unfolding right now tells the tale….they are already gone….if not in person (yet) certainly in spirit. They have stashes of wealth secreted away and planned escapes awaiting….they have known this for years. MurphTheSurf3 42 minutes ago