Vox Populi, our weekly live chat about the week’s events, begins tonight at 7:00pm PDT. Hope to see you then! AdLib 4 hours ago

Hey TW! AdLib 2 hours ago

Hey Ad how are you today twilson117 2 hours ago

Doing well, glad to be back in CA even though it was high 90s here. How are you doing? AdLib 2 hours ago

Hey Khirad! AdLib 2 hours ago

Doing okay got out today had lunch with a friend open air no mask great day twilson117 2 hours ago

Khirad in the house twilson117 2 hours ago

Jen Psaki made mistake marrying other man and having children. We could have created super ginger race. I’m having a cancer stick outside, be back. Khirad 2 hours ago

TW – That sounds like a nice afternoon! AdLib 2 hours ago

Khirad – There’s only one Psaki. AdLib 2 hours ago

Hey PPO! AdLib 2 hours ago

It was we used to have lunch on a regular basis but he had to go back to work in corporate was good to get together and have an intellegent conversation. twilson117 2 hours ago

PPO how are you? twilson117 2 hours ago

So do you think DeathSantis and HeyAbbott look at the number of people they kill in their states as a competition in vying for the 2024 GOP nom? AdLib 2 hours ago

BRB pinkpantheroz 2 hours ago

Ad can be tried for crimes against their state? twilson117 2 hours ago

TW – Nice that you could get together again. As for intelligent conversation, that is a valuable commodity nowadays. AdLib 2 hours ago

TW – People there could sue civilly but I don’t think any criminal law would cover it. AdLib 2 hours ago

Ad You’re right about that. twilson117 2 hours ago

These Repub gov who think they are being big and bad are just killing their citizens all to please Trump** or out do him. twilson117 2 hours ago

There are a few school districts refusing to follow DeSantis’ EO and are requiring masks. So DeathSantis had the education department authorized to classify any child refusing to wear a mask as “bullied” and can get a voucher to go to a private school where they can get COVID more easily. AdLib 2 hours ago

This is going to sound weird but my cat is codependent. I love the snuggles, but theiy are all the time. A weird complaint, but it’s annoying. Be a cat and loaf around somewhere. Khirad 2 hours ago

DeathSantis fits him twilson117 2 hours ago

TW – It’s so surreal, things have been since Trump but could you imagine before Trump, governors literally passing laws and EOs to kill their own citizedns just to build their rep for “freedom” in the next presidential election? It is perverse. AdLib 2 hours ago

Well Khirad if the cat moves you away from the keyboard and starts typing I say you better listen. twilson117 2 hours ago

What are the diseases conservatives want that we already vaccinate for? It’s not worth it, 92% of Dems and 51% of Repubs are vaccinated respectively. That says it all. It is the Flat Earth Party. Khirad 2 hours ago

Hi Ad, TW, Khirad. All is lockdown yet again for us. Very hard on the nerves pinkpantheroz 2 hours ago

Ad these folks are aaudtioning for who can be the most stupid governor beliving it proves they can run the US. twilson117 2 hours ago

Khirad – My dog is too. They are cuddly but they are very insistent about getting petted and scratched. Should we get them pet psychiatrists? Seems like addictive behavior. They could move onto the hard stuff, like catnip and Beggin Strips. AdLib 2 hours ago

TW – I didn’t make up DeathSantis but I liked it too so I use it. AdLib 2 hours ago

Twilson, his name is little Nietzsche von Meowerstein and I figure he’s a year old so he plays fetch and I can teach him German. Every cat daddy says this but he is smart. I’ve cared for dumbass cats. He’s like the raptors in Jurassic Park Khirad 2 hours ago

Khirad – In the MAGA world, getting to die of a terrible disease and spread it to kill others is freedom. Getting to vote is not. AdLib 2 hours ago

PPO – Is all of the country in lockdown now? AdLib 2 hours ago

PP I saw this from Australia, explain. AD, please help https://youtu.be/X_0zFEtPbiA Khirad 2 hours ago

Khirad having a cat named Nietzsche is some deep extensial thought. twilson117 2 hours ago

TW – Trump killed half a million people, DeathSantis and HeyAbbott have a lot of catching up to do. AdLib 2 hours ago

twilson well, he stares at me and has the whiskers. He used to hide in one of my bookshelves when he was a kitten. Khirad 2 hours ago

Khirad Hang on, I’ll check pinkpantheroz 2 hours ago

I just don’t want to talk about DeSantis or Cruz… They are Ivy League and are almost worse than the Margarine Greens and Booberts. Khirad 2 hours ago

Khirad – That satirical video is both funny and sad. As PPO explained, it was greed and stupidity in the government there that turned away Pfizer vaccinations early on when it could have made things so much better. AdLib 2 hours ago

Hey CL! AdLib 2 hours ago

Evening all – good to see everybody! choicelady 2 hours ago

Hilarious, Kh! Yes, Our GOP federal and State leaders have managed to screw the entire country by delaying vaccine purchases, refusing to lock down (a la Fla) and generally hoping God will fix it all, as long as all the rich and happy clappies are vaccinated with the good stuff and we’re left to hope with the crap stuff. pinkpantheroz 2 hours ago

Just watched the video PPO what’s going on? twilson117 2 hours ago

Hello CL twilson117 2 hours ago

Hi, CL! pinkpantheroz 2 hours ago

Hi TW – hi to Ad, Khirad, and PPO, too. Good to see you! choicelady 2 hours ago

Jim Jefferies is one of my favorite comedians and he’s Aussie. He had a whole special about America called FREEDUMB. Nailed us. Khirad 2 hours ago

Ad – how did things go in PA last week. We missed you but still had fun. choicelady 2 hours ago

PPO – how is life and how is Fergie? choicelady 2 hours ago

So, I keep hearing Biden and his people keep pushing the meme that his way of countering the state Repubs corrupting democracy is to do such a good job that Dems win anyway. Er…if states change their laws as GA has that allows Repub legislators to overturn the elections and award electors to Trump or the Repub, how does that even matter? They can’t really think you can out organize a rigged election? AdLib 2 hours ago

All the Labor-led ( Dem) states are locking down and winning against the Delta, but the others keep allowing parties, major assemblies and big box stores to stay open, then they try and get into our State. We can’t stop them all. pinkpantheroz 2 hours ago

Ad – this is where Garland is on the job. He has a cadre of new attorneys bringing suits against voter repression laws. That’s how we win this – even this SCOTUS will uphold the voting rights. They did all last year EVEN with Amy. choicelady 2 hours ago

So PPO you have your own version of FL SD and TX brand of idiots. twilson117 2 hours ago

It’s sweet in a way there’s some order in the world when the Conservatives in Britain and all her colonies fuck things up the same. Khirad 2 hours ago

CL – I wish we were in PA, we were in OK and it was as close to Hell as I would ever hope to be. AdLib 2 hours ago

Oh – OK! I wish you were in PA, too! Been there. Tulsa, Wichita, and Pawhuska. It’s a weird state all right. choicelady 2 hours ago

CL, very nervous. We’re not vaccinated yet because both of us are immuno-compromised and only eligible for the AstraZenica shite. Hermits on a nervous knife edge waiting for Pfizer to be available. pinkpantheroz 2 hours ago

PPO – As you know, the same idiocy is going on in the US but at least the Repubs have a reason, to sabotage Biden and the Dems to grow COVID so it damages the recovery and economy. Wait, that’s worse! AdLib 2 hours ago

PPO – damn. Here I thought Pfizer was THE “go to” for the immunocompromised. I am sorry. choicelady 2 hours ago

TW, absolute carbon copies of the GOP fools. the main fool runs our country! pinkpantheroz 2 hours ago

I heard the DoJ was going after the Phoenix department for violations of civil rights. I’m not surprised in any effect except that they are filing them. Khirad 2 hours ago

Well PPO it seems stupid knows no limits twilson117 2 hours ago

But CL, Garland came out this week just saying that Congress needs to pass the voting rights bill. He sounds like the rest of the Biden Admin and without ending the filibuster, this is all moot. AdLib an hour ago

cl Pfizer is definitely the Go To, but Fergie and I aren’t yet eligible, being old fogeys and dispensable and all. pinkpantheroz an hour ago

CL – The people in OK were all quite nice but it was 100 degrees, 60% humidity, like standing in a giant toaster oven. AdLib an hour ago

All – DOJ will tackle ever major obstructionist law. and get them shut down. Of COURSE Congress needs to pass the voting rights bill so he doesn’t have to do this state by state. Those are NOT mutually exclusive. But he has deployed his minions to the states w the worst laws to shoot them down. choicelady an hour ago

Ad I know the FB needs to go but the push from both sides not wanting to let it go is indeed strange twilson117 an hour ago

Could I barge into the Chinese Bamboo Fraudit with a kilt and swords foaming out of the mouth with covid? I mean, I’m thinking up so many douchey things I could do because Freeeeeedumbbb Khirad an hour ago

Ad – welcome to my world of Midwest summers, offset by ice storms in winter. Ahh, the plains. Takes tough souls to live there. choicelady an hour ago

that’s better Angela Bridgman an hour ago

It had me here as a Guest a minute ago Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Hi angela pinkpantheroz an hour ago

Khirad – Yep, the DoJ started an investigation into the Phoenix PD on patterns and practice. I think they will be coming down on them hard as they should. AdLib an hour ago

Hey everyone Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Khirad the fraudit in AZ is a good scam twilson117 an hour ago

Our monsoon has been decent. But not spectacular. Khirad an hour ago

Hi Angela!!! choicelady an hour ago

Hey Angela twilson117 an hour ago

Out here in SF, the rep for the SF Sheriffs said that if vaccines are mandatory, many of them would quit. Talk about killing two birds with one stone. AdLib an hour ago

And the Fraudit is just one county. The largest. But I live in the second largest… Khirad an hour ago

Khirad – send water to northern CA. Mendocino, beautiful little town, is 100% OUT OF WATER. choicelady an hour ago

Hey Angela! AdLib an hour ago

Have we all ordered our Offical Loyalty cards yet? pinkpantheroz an hour ago

I am one hundred percent on board with mandatory vaccination!! Angela Bridgman an hour ago

I’ve been to Mendocino, charming. Khirad an hour ago

PPO – did you read it’s misspelled? I’m waiting for the reprint. choicelady an hour ago

Khirad image what real damage they could have done if they had people who actually knew what they were doing. twilson117 an hour ago

Wait, how is Mendocino out of water??? Khirad an hour ago

Khriad – I’m going up to Fort Bragg in 2 weeks and had to call to ask if it was OK. I cannot go to Mendo – NO WATER. choicelady an hour ago


pinkpantheroz an hour ago

There is precedent in SCOTUS that mandatory vaccination IS LEGA: AND CONSTITUTIONAL Angela Bridgman an hour ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobson_v._Massachusetts Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Jacobsen vs. Massachusetts Angela Bridgman an hour ago

oops, Jacobson vs Massachusetts Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Khirad – their spring ran dry. Fort Bragg 8 miles north is very low. They have to buy a desalinization facility to keep the salt water from the Pacific out of the harbor for drinking water. choicelady an hour ago

CL – But the problem is that even if the DoJ tries to shut down some of these voter suppression laws, their grounds have been greatly narrowed by the last SCOTUS decision and any suit they file will end up in the SCOTUS which has a majority of extremists who want to kill the VRA. This is bad if we can’t get new legislation. Not a slam dunk for Garland or DOJ to stop this destruction of democracy. AdLib an hour ago

Wait…WTF?? Fort Bragg and the Pacific in the same sentence?? Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Holy crap, I like to think I’m a military nerd, but I never realized fort Bragg was there. Khirad an hour ago

Angela I saw that, twilson117 an hour ago

Do you mean the Atlantic? Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Angelea – I KNOW Jacobson c MA. 1905. NOBODY will use that, though – not in THIS political climate. choicelady an hour ago

Bullshit. They need to. Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Different Fort Bragg. Yes, named for the awful general, but he never set foot in CA. choicelady an hour ago

TW – Indeed, it is so strange. AdLib an hour ago

Before this fucking virus wipes out humanity Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Now we got a new fucking Variant…the Lambda Variant Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Khirad – Now that the courts ahev ordered all the info on the AZ fraudit to be released, I think there’s a lot of panic among them. AdLib an hour ago

CL – Not to mention the tornados! AdLib an hour ago

Khirad because they don’t have what the court is ordering, because it does not exist and never did Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Angela I thought about that, but have to wonder with this current court if they would rule void on the grounds it was a local situation twilson117 an hour ago

And speaking ogf hot news, who wants to take bets on when Cuomo resigns? Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Ad – their ground was REINFORCED by SCOTUS last year. They will NOT allow voting rights to be squashed. They upheld every law about democracy in all rulings. choicelady an hour ago

I heard a year ago Cons saying “give me liberty or give me death” not knowing that Patrick Henry was never a soldier. It was fitting on levelsssss Khirad an hour ago

Well, frankly, if they want death they are welcome to it as long as they take nobody else with them. Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Kudos to NJ Gov Phil Murphy for calling it just like it is today!! Angela Bridgman an hour ago

CL – This lack of water issue will only get worse, hence my promotion of a national desalination program. AdLib an hour ago

I’m Nebraska born and a frequent flier to the Great Plains. Never once encountered a tornado. I wish to keep it that way. choicelady an hour ago

If it is the Lambda variant, than the militias will get in because they rever the slave holding pedophiles that were the Spartans. Khirad an hour ago

CL, especially not in an aeroplane! pinkpantheroz an hour ago

(message blocked by the system) Angela Bridgman an hour ago

nuts Angela Bridgman an hour ago

https://www.northjersey.com/videos/news/coronavirus/2021/08/04/ultimate-knuckleheads-gov-murphy-calls-out-anti-vaccine-protesters/5487634001/ Angela Bridgman an hour ago

www.northjersey.com/videos/news/coronavirus/2021/08/04/ultimate-knuckleheads-gov-murphy-calls-out-anti-vaccine-protesters/5487634001/ Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Angela – My bet is that only when he is about to be impeached will Cuomo resign. He is following the Trump-like mentality of just refuse to go and it could all just settle down. Not gonna happen, Cuomo is over even if he won’t admit it. AdLib an hour ago

I kust wish it wouldn’t mutate. Because they can all fuck off and die. I only care who they transmit it to. Khirad an hour ago

Amgela – HOW would you mandate and enforce vaccination among people ready to commit civil war? BEST way is for businesses to require evidence of vaccinations, for gov’t to insist on it to fly, Amtrak, even Greyhound. Corral them. Pen them in. But don’t even THINK about laying hands on them. choicelady an hour ago

Hey Murph twilson117 an hour ago

MURPH!!! choicelady an hour ago

Hey there, gang!

MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

Murph! pinkpantheroz an hour ago

Hi TW and Choice…Good to be with you. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

Hello PPO…..nice to see you. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

Always good to see you, Murph. choicelady an hour ago

CL – The SCOTUS ruling said that the VRA doesn’t allow a state to be stopped from limiting voting opportunities, even if it ends up working on a prejudicial basis, as long as intent to be prejudiced can’t be proven. So no, that was a gutting ot power of the DoJ to sue states for voter suppression. AdLib an hour ago

Hey Murph! AdLib an hour ago

Also there are moves for primarying Kyrsten Sinema. Good idea? It is tough. Like my balls in a vice grip, rock and a hard place. Khirad an hour ago

You mandate vaccination by preventing them from doing ANY of the activities of daily life without proof of vaccination Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Ad – that isn’t what SCOTUS said. That’s a faulty interpretation. choicelady an hour ago

And you send big burly military men to hold their candy asses down and make sure they get their shots. Angela Bridgman an hour ago

CL – I have never seen one in person but in my childhood, the scariest thing to me wasn’t sharks or spiders or earthquakes, it was a tornado. AdLib an hour ago

You harass them everywhere. Shame them and shun them. Put videos of them up on youtube with crowds chasing them calling them the murderers they are. THAT is how you force vaccination. I am done being nice with them Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Kyrsten Sinema is such a thirsty b—– she knows the math. She’s quite cynical and clever for a former Green Party candidate. Khirad an hour ago

I have been in a tornado…as a kid…..in texas….. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

I will agree with Ad here…Tornaodes are the scariest fucking thing ever Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Tornadoes are indeed terrifying. But in my many years in the Plains, never saw one. We used to do “tornado watch” summer days. Clouds would turn green or occasionally pink – and we’d go outside to watch. They are really terrifying. choicelady an hour ago

I have lived a good portion of my life in Tornado Alley Angela Bridgman an hour ago

CL – From Vanity Fair: “The Court’s Voting-Rights Decision Was Worse Than People Think The conservative majority’s opinion has declared that voter fraud, not racial discrimination, is a threat to the American system of representation. https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/07/brnovich-vra-scotus-decision-arizona-voting-right/619330/ AdLib an hour ago

Angela – that’s my neck of the woods, too. choicelady an hour ago

Murph what’s with your gov not pardoning Strickland but the two gun toting netwits twilson117 an hour ago

Our schools are getting ready to open here and suddenly COVID and Kids has become a real subject of concern. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

I’ve only ever seen on at sea – a waterspout 200 years wide. Terrifying, cause it looked like it would hit us. Missed by half a mile, but close enough, thank you! pinkpantheroz an hour ago

TW, the McCloskeys are white and were brandishing guns at blacks. Strickland is black and wrongly convicted. You do the math Angela Bridgman an hour ago

I love watching Europeans react to tornados. They are rare there. Not making lite. I prefer my scorpions and rattlesnakes to that bullshit. Khirad an hour ago

I don’t take Vanity Fair and the Atlantic as gospel – I take legal analysts who said those articles got it wrong. choicelady an hour ago

*200 yards*!! pinkpantheroz an hour ago

TW…..simple, he is a total asshole. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

On the whole I prefer tornadoes that give warning to earthquakes that don’t. choicelady an hour ago

Like I said, Murph….simple math. McCloskeys = white, Strickland = black. Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Nothing more is needed. Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Angela – agreed. choicelady an hour ago

Khirad – That’s exactly how I feel, if only COVID wouldn’t mutate, this would be a lot easier on all of us. More mandates to push the resistant or uninformed to get it, and then let those who want to validate Darwin, thin the herd. AdLib an hour ago

Angela….let me amend my answer….he is a racist asshole. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago


Khirad an hour ago

Murph, how amny of your former coop ‘buddies’ now want vaccinations and all that other ‘socialist’ stuff? pinkpantheroz an hour ago

Ad and all – we now have reached the 70% mark on first injections. That gives a bit of hope. choicelady an hour ago

There totallyt ARE two systems of “justice” in America. One for those with the correct skin color, and the correct political/social views and then there is one for everyone else. Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Angela – very true. We know it because we SEE it. choicelady an hour ago

Angela add having lots of money to your analysis on he justice system twilson117 an hour ago

I shoulda done quotes around “correct” above, since those views are dead fucking wrong Angela Bridgman an hour ago

CL – Completely agree that the time is now to exclude the anti-vaxxers from public places, planes, stadiums, etc. They can choose to join the sane or suffer. AdLib an hour ago

You always hear this, but by mind is swimming. I’m gonna duck out, but I always love checking in. Khirad an hour ago

Usually, those with lots of money have both the “correct” skin tone….and the “correct” political/social views Angela Bridgman an hour ago

PPO….I have not kept track of the former co-opers….so I do not know. Everyone in the new association is vaccinated (which includes eligible junior members MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

bye, khirad Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Take care Khirad twilson117 an hour ago

Ad – I cannot see the gov’t forcing people, but I sure can see private businesses and appropriate gov’t activities requiring vaccination or proper exemptions. Let them choose. We can choose, too. choicelady an hour ago

It’s time to do more than just excluse the anti-0vaxxers. Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Sorry to see you go so quickly K. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

Bye Khirad! choicelady an hour ago

It is time to HARASS THEM….mercilessly. We need to have crowds chasing them down the street shouting MURDERER at them and putting it on YouTubbe…they need to be utterly shamed as the murderers they are Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Angela – HOW would you mandate vaccines? choicelady an hour ago

See above Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Yeah – that’ll cow ’em. choicelady an hour ago

If you haven’t read it, may I offer a link to my latest article, “How to Change the Minds of Anti Vaxxers – Lock Them Out” https://planetpov.com/2021/08/05/how-to-change-the-minds-of-anti-vaxxers-lock-them-out/ AdLib an hour ago

Ban them from all public venues, and then harass the literal fucking hell out of them Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Ad – that I really think WILL work. Lock them OUT of businesses. choicelady an hour ago

There is a small “true gospel” church in my neck of the woods…..and everyone in the church, everyone, has tested positive for COVID….they have had members hospitalized, and two deaths……they regard all of this as a test of their faith. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

I like the leading picture on the article, anyway Angela Bridgman an hour ago

So – does harassment work with you? Do you succumb to public pressure to change your ways? choicelady an hour ago

Well now that people have shown up for the event in SD we’re going to see another major uptick twilson117 an hour ago

CL – Then how about the NYT: Supreme Court Invalidates Key Part of Voting Rights Act – https://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/26/us/supreme-court-ruling.html AdLib an hour ago

Murph, looks as if they are failing the test, doesn’t it? pinkpantheroz an hour ago

Fucking morons at Sturgis again, huh? Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Murph – SMDH on the church. choicelady an hour ago

PPO…they see their suffering and losses as a form of martyrdom…. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

Murph are you kidding twilson117 an hour ago

CL – Whoops! That was the last decision. Here’s the ACLU: www.aclu.org%2Fnews%2Fvoting-rights%2Fsupreme-courts-voting-rights-act-decision-narrows-another-path-to-challenge-discriminatory-voting-laws%2F&usg=AOvVaw2Ys6nDNpWgiNoxG680YM0K” style=”word-wrap: break-word; overflow-wrap:break-word;”>https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiH3K3n7p3yAhUaSTABHQgKBh4QFnoECBEQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.aclu.org%2Fnews%2Fvoting-rights%2Fsupreme-courts-voting-rights-act-decision-narrows-another-path-to-challenge-discriminatory-voting-laws%2F&usg=AOvVaw2Ys6nDNpWgiNoxG680YM0K> AdLib an hour ago

Choice…SMDH? MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

Murph that’s the problem with martys they love the work twilson117 an hour ago

Then fine…martyr the assholes. We all will know, after they are gone that they were never martyrs, but in fact were the hugest assholes that ever walked the face of the Earth Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Read that the Foo Fighters trolled the Westboro Baptists with a drive by concert! Heh heh. pinkpantheroz an hour ago

Ad – that was 2013. That was the prior authorization that led to this. It’s not new, and it’s why the new VRA is needed so Garland doesn’t have to do it piecemeal. choicelady an hour ago

TW……martyrdom promotes looped illogic. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

CL – This is from Slate: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiH3K3n7p3yAhUaSTABHQgKBh4QFnoECBUQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Ftime.com%2F6077449%2Fsupreme-court-voting-rights%2F&usg=AOvVaw2i3Qgrt7J7NIRO5R3MFuXw AdLib an hour ago

Murph it also gets innocent people killed. twilson117 an hour ago

CL – Whoops again, that was Time’s article: “Supreme Court Ruling Weakens Voting Rights Act Even Further” AdLib an hour ago

We can give them their own country now, wall it off and call it Covidiotstan Angela Bridgman an hour ago

TW…..I pity their children and other relatives who are not part of the church. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

CL – Can you show me a major article affirming your position on the SCOTUS ruling? I haven’t seen one yet. AdLib an hour ago

Ad – NY has done this for years. And the other part about ballot harvesting? CA outlawed that two decades ago due to GOP fiddling. My hubs had THE state record on ballot harvesting. Then it was made illegal and nobody cares about how good he was! We don’t allow that. And we’re CA! choicelady an hour ago

Muprh which is why dogmatic religion is dangerous twilson117 an hour ago

I can tell you what attorneys have said to me about it all, but right now what you’re getting in media is OMG HAIR ON FIRE WE ARE DOOMED, and it’s hype. We can tackle a LOT of this – except for ONE THING. We have to stop ALL the laws that let state legislatures overturn results. That is where Garland i s putting his work. That is fucking dangerous and must be stopped. choicelady an hour ago

CL – I understand that POV but underneath the decision was the statement that any action a state takes that may suppress minority voting isn’t illegal unless direct intent can be proven. That part of the ruling is what was so destructive. AdLib an hour ago

TW….I agree….I am a practicing Christian with a Buddhist tinge…..church affiliated but in a community where thinking is encouraged…..people from the old coop referred to my faith and church community as “looney” MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

Yes, that is the most insidious, allowing legislators to simply throw out election results and choose the winner themselves. AdLib an hour ago

Not necessarily – they have to prove fraud, and SCOTUS threw out EVERY attempt for Trump to do that. Every ONE of them. So a smart civil rights assessment of bias in the laws will prevail. choicelady an hour ago

SCOTUS sucks on social issues. It does NOT suck on voting rights. choicelady an hour ago

CL….the thing about the state legislators is that the elector process was designed from the start to provide them with a central role because the Founding Fathers were, at the heart, elitists and they wanted keep the big decisions under their control. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

Choice….I have been doing reading in support of your judgment of SCOTUS as a protector of voting rights…the case can be made. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

Murph I never thought for a moment that God didn’t want you to think. But folks who act like the folks in the small church you mention are IMO doing just the opposite twilson117 an hour ago

Murph -sure, but SCOTUS doesn’t allow goobers to rule unjustly. Even this bunch have overturned bigoted appeals from the goober front. I think they will uphold the fundamentals of the CRA. We DO need updated laws. I hope we can do them. choicelady an hour ago

I read your article, Murph. Very good Angela Bridgman an hour ago

TW…oh I never presumed that you would join the idiots in the coop…..because you would never shun independence in thought. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

CL – That’s not what I’m talking about. The SCOTUS decision said states can invalidate ballots that are deposited in the wrong precinct but they also said that state laws such as these, even if they harm the rights of minorities the most, can’t be overturned unless they display actual intent to target a minority. How can that ever be proven with how sneaky Repubs are? AdLib an hour ago

But I still say we need to shame them…like NJ Gov Phil Murphy did yesterday. We need to shame them and videotape them and call them the murderers that they are. I am just DONE being nice to them at all. Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Murph – THANK YOU. I think they’re OK on this. Abortion? LGBTQ issues? not so much. choicelady an hour ago

Thanks, angela…long time ago. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

I’m for expanding the court BTW. We have 13 judicial districts and need 13 justices. choicelady an hour ago

hell yeah….instant 7-6 majority, in your eye, Trump Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Angela – did it work? Does public shaming WORK or just piss ’em off more? choicelady an hour ago

Who cares if it does piss them off more? Angela Bridgman an hour ago

tw, I can’t get over the refusal by the evangelicals to acknowledge science as a God-given ability to man. If all things come from God, doesn’t science and the results of such? pinkpantheroz an hour ago

Murph – Yep, the Founders weren’t so sure about giving all citizens the right to vote, they were concerned about “mob rule”. AdLib an hour ago

They are PISSING ME OFF…and I am ready to piss them off back Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Well, if you want compliance, that matters. choicelady an hour ago

Choice…..your arguments re. the court and the protection of the fundamentals of modern electoral governance are encouraging……why do you think this is so. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

I do not care about VOLUNTARY compliance. Just compliance. Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Angela public shaming doesn’t always work for some it just eggs them on as they take the attidude they’re right if they’re being called out. twilson117 an hour ago

Murph – cuz I read the decisions and look at the outcomes. They are consistently on the side of equality in voting. choicelady an hour ago

I am done coddling murderers Angela Bridgman an hour ago

angela – how will you get INVOLUNTARY compliance? choicelady an hour ago

Just sayin, from Time Magazine: “Thursday was “a dark day for democracy,” says Anthony Michael Kreis, a constitutional law professor at Georgia State University, in an email. “The Supreme Court took what is one of our country’s bedrock laws, the Voting Rights Act, and gutted it for the second time in eight years, making it much harder to bring claims against state election laws that have a disparate impact on minority voters.” AdLib an hour ago

PPO I hear you. I think therfore I am seems to escape them twilson117 an hour ago

Brute force usually works, choicelady. I think they assfaces have demostrated by now that nothing else will work on them Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Ad…the senate was chosen by the state legislators directly and the electoral college was a device to ensure certification from those self same legistlatures. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

Last post on that article, promise! “Republicans welcomed the Supreme Court’s ruling that will help protect other new laws that the party says are designed to target voter fraud. The GOP National Committee Chairwoman Ronna McDaniel called it a “resounding victory for election integrity.” Many legal experts agree the ruling will make it harder to use the Voting Rights Act to challenge racially discriminatory voting laws, though to what extent is not yet clear.” AdLib an hour ago

Ad – that’s hype and over reach. It’s NOT gutted. I’m sick of the naysayers who do not read details and declare everything DOA. It’s not. SCOTUS did not do what he said. choicelady an hour ago

CL..oh, I know you do your research…I am wonder what you think is the motivation for the courts loyalty to the process…. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

CL – That’s a lot of articles from a lot of major papers that you’re calling hype. Do you have links to articles countering these an supporting your POV? AdLib an hour ago

Also, we need to start firing anti-vaxxers from their jobs. Angela Bridgman an hour ago

Ad the problem I have with the VRA is the SC has been signaling all along it was going to do what it did. Especially with precelearance. Too many folks got got flatfooted on it. twilson117 an hour ago

Surprise – that isn’t what happened. I just noted why. The RW and LW give us hair on fire. I trust those who look deeply at the meanings and see not much actually changed. The REAL threat to democracy are the new laws – SCOTUS has not ruled yet – that allow state legislatures to overturn votes. THAT is what Garland is tackling, and I believe SCOTUS will uphold Garland’s team in their findings. choicelady an hour ago

Tw – what did they do? They did what NY and CA already do. Nothing new. And both of those states work fine for voters of color.and the rest of us. choicelady an hour ago

TW – I don’t know if it was that expected that Roberts would kill pre-clearance but looking back, it seems in character for him. And it was based on a complete lie, we see now and so does he that he based that decision on a lie. AdLib an hour ago

Angela – That’s what’s happening already and hopefully more and more anti-vaxxers will be fired in government and private sector. They wanted their freedom? Then cut them loose from their jobs so they can’t infect the public. AdLib an hour ago

Pre clearance could be renewed IF it was for ALL states equally. That is Manchin’s proposal, and I like it. Why? CA had districts that were under preclearance. Should be again. EVERY state should have to show cause. choicelady an hour ago

Ad and Angela – firing people for not being vaxxed is critically important. That is making a HUGE change for the good without the feds having to do a thing. It’s why we are at 70% on first vaxx FINALLY. choicelady an hour ago

CL – Okay, this is the last quote from that article, promise! “While the Court ruled on Thursday that Arizona’s policies did not violate Section 2, it declined to announce an official test for all future cases, instead identifying “guideposts” for courts to use going forward. Those included weighing the size of the discriminatory impact of a given law, as well as what other options voters have to cast a ballot, both standards Brnovich and the Arizona GOP had argued for. Justice Alito also stressed in his opinion that the state’s interest in running fair elections must be given a large amount of weight.” AdLib an hour ago

I am finding the discussion here regarding what SCOTUS decisions really mean enlightening……clearly I need to do more homework. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

Ad – I will need to read the whole of the article. That made no particular sense to me truncated. choicelady an hour ago

CL – The point here, which is not hype, is that the states false claims of voter fraud ARE to be given a large amount of weight against real issues like discrimination. This is a de facto weakening of the VRA when allowing voting rights to be balanced by lies about “voter fraud”. AdLib an hour ago

Ad, have they ruled on what is a ‘fair election’? pinkpantheroz an hour ago

As a child of Daly’s Chicago and a resident for years in NY w Tammany Hall legacy, NOT counting ballots filed in the wrong precinct is familiar and the norm. Not harvesting ballots is GREAT since the GOP fucking fiddled w them in CA. Neither ruling has curtailed POC from voting. NOT EVER. choicelady an hour ago

CL my point is the court said they needed a new formula for PC. And that should have been anticipated with the decision that got shot down in was it Georgia. It was just a matter of them for the SC come attack it. States have been going after the VRA sense it was passed, At some point folks should have been working on it to make it bullet proof. But continued to relay on the so called goodness of the House and Seneate to alway reauthorize it every time it came up for a vote. The landscape has changed and I hate say it but too many people were asleep at the wheel on this. twilson117 44 minutes ago

I recommend reading that Time article, it lays out the actual landmine that SCOTUS just buried into the middle of the enforcement of the VRA. AdLib 44 minutes ago

Still reading along……intriguing. MurphTheSurf3 44 minutes ago

Keep your eyes on the REAL issues – again, it’s the right (why the TX Dems walked) of the STATE legislatures to CHANGE voting outcomes w no reason. THIS IS THE BIG ONE. It hasn’t yet been challenged, but it is critical. That policy came from Ray Haynes, the most RW asshole state senator from CA who now works for ALEC. If we do not get that stopped, then yes – voting as we know it is doomed. choicelady 43 minutes ago

PPO – I don’t know that the SCOTUS has defined what a “fair election” is but their validating the lie of voter fraud as a tool to keep voter suppression in place is anything but supporting a fair election. AdLib 43 minutes ago

Ad – I know the TIME argument. I don’t agree w it. See MY point. The worst has yet to come. choicelady 42 minutes ago

OK, folks, cheerio for this week. Fergie says thank you for the good vibes. Fed up with being hermits! Byeeee! pinkpantheroz 42 minutes ago

Sidebar….I am going to a meeting of interested parties at our area high school where the Superintendent and his principals are going to address the issue of student safety and student freedom in the context of COVID. I will let you all know how it goes. MurphTheSurf3 42 minutes ago

PPO take care twilson117 42 minutes ago

G’day, PPO – love to you and Fergie!!! choicelady 42 minutes ago

So long PPO MurphTheSurf3 41 minutes ago

Murph – that’s powerful. Please keep us posted! choicelady 41 minutes ago

pinkpantheroz 41 minutes ago

CL…why do you say it is “powerful” MurphTheSurf3 41 minutes ago

For you to be rhere. Anything YOU do is powerful! choicelady 40 minutes ago

CL – Here’s an example of how the SCOTUS ruling is damaging to the VRA. States can rule that there is only one ballot drop off in all counties so that the small, white rural counties are fine. But Harris County, with millions of voters, only have one as well, a county with far more PoC as most cities are. Yet the state can now defend that by claiming it is equal for all counties and prevents voter fraud. AdLib 40 minutes ago

CL…..ah! I actually wondered if you had picked up on the packaging of the meeting….student safety AND student freedom linked as part of the COVID universe……our find the Super to be be super in much of what he does. MurphTheSurf3 39 minutes ago

CL – No argument, the state legislatures having power to overthrow elections is the biggest threat. But voter suppression is also out of control now too. AdLib 38 minutes ago

Then how do they justify one congressional district for five counties that together add up to 700,000 people….and 9 congressional districts for one county with about 6 million population? Angela Bridgman 38 minutes ago

Same argument you use for drop boxes Angela Bridgman 38 minutes ago

Ad – I know that. This sucks. But it did NOT stop us last November where such laws existed. And yes – we still have the mail. And yes we still can vote in person and have ways to get people there. NEVER underestimate the power of community. But we definitely need the new VRA laws to simplify life. What IS drastic is the ability of the state to change voting outcomes for NO REASON. Pay attention to the REAL threatss. choicelady 37 minutes ago

One for every Congressional District. Screw you rural white voters, YOU drive 200 miles for a drop box assholes!! Angela Bridgman 37 minutes ago

CL – I don’t mean to be a broken record but I haven’t seen any articles saying that the SCOTUS ruling was no big deal. Can you give me a link to an article that explains this POV in detail so I can see more on that? AdLib 37 minutes ago

Angela – that is the unanticipated consequence. Black voters know HOW to organize. White voters just won’t vote. They never think of that. choicelady 36 minutes ago

And that is my goal. Stopping THEM from voting by making them decide it is not worth it. Which is what THEY are trying to do to us. Angela Bridgman 36 minutes ago

I want to turn it on them to watch them howl. Angela Bridgman 36 minutes ago

Murph – Would I be right to assume that the high school is unlikely to require masks and vaccines? AdLib 36 minutes ago

THEN try to defend THEIR actions in this regard Angela Bridgman 36 minutes ago

Again Ad – I talked to ATTORNEYS not to journalists. If you want to find ONE source – try Spandan at TPV now Reclaim the Fight. He also assessed these findings as problems but not irreconcilable ones. choicelady 35 minutes ago

Well…friends…I need to be at a 9 AM meeting tomorrow….so I am off to bed….best to one and all. MurphTheSurf3 35 minutes ago

Bye Murph. Angela Bridgman 35 minutes ago

I have a 10AM meeting myself. State Executive Committee of the NC Democratic Party Angela Bridgman 35 minutes ago

Take care Murph twilson117 35 minutes ago

I have a Resolution up for consideration Angela Bridgman 35 minutes ago

Angela – these draconian laws are far more likely to hurt WHTE voters than Black. Black people have been organizing to vote against all odds since 1965. White people have no clue. choicelady 34 minutes ago

Good night, Murph! choicelady 34 minutes ago

Frankly, CL….I hope that the DO Angela Bridgman 34 minutes ago

I’m boogeyng, too – I need to eat. choicelady 34 minutes ago

Ad…..the school district cannot require masks and vaccine in this very red state but I know that the super, the principals and the school board are all very concerned….so I am really interested how they will walk the balance beam…they did an outstandin job last year. MurphTheSurf3 34 minutes ago

CL….boogeying! Quite the image. MurphTheSurf3 33 minutes ago

If we never have a Republican control of any branch of governmet for the rest of my life it would be a very good thing Angela Bridgman 33 minutes ago

CL – What I heard explained and makes sense to me is that the Repub states’ goals is to crush vote by mail, throw out voters from the rolls and force long lines on Election Day for Dem districts which would return Repubs to the advantages they had on Election Day meddling before COVID. AdLib 33 minutes ago

Angela…my fear is that we will never have Dem control again. MurphTheSurf3 33 minutes ago

That is my fear too, Murph. And if so it is time for me to find another country. Angela Bridgman 33 minutes ago

I am too old and weary to keep fighting Angela Bridgman 33 minutes ago

Take care CL twilson117 32 minutes ago

I need some peace and joy in my life. Angela Bridgman 32 minutes ago

Angela…sadly I see these cold, hard winds blowing in many lands. MurphTheSurf3 32 minutes ago

This time, for sure, good night. MurphTheSurf3 32 minutes ago

There must be one somewhere. Even if it is only Pitcairn Island or something…there has to be a safe harbor somewhere Angela Bridgman 32 minutes ago

CL – My issue is that there are no analysts that seem to support your POV on this, no journalists, no articles, no published constitutional lawyers, they are all saying just the opposite, that the SCOTUS ruling damaged the VRA. AdLib 31 minutes ago

I think we’re in for a very bad Fall and Winter of COVID, especially in red states. AdLib 31 minutes ago

Ad I’ve been trying to sit down and have a quite moment to read the Ailto decison to get a sense of what the hell is rational was. I don’t have knowledge of CL but would appreicate any insight or information you’ve been sourcing because there is a pattern here on VRA I think a lot of people are missing. twilson117 29 minutes ago

TW – I can only share what I’ve seen but the only POV I’ve seen across the media on the Alito decision is that it arms states with the defense of claiming voter fraud to defend voter suppression. It seems pretty much explained word for word in the ruling. This is allowing lies to justify voter suppression and undercuts lawsuits trying to stop voter suppression. To be frank, I have seen nothing supporting CL’s POV, I don’t understand how one could come away with thinking the SCOTUS hasn’t harmed the VRA. It’s explicit. AdLib 26 minutes ago

Well, I think it is obvious that Republicans know their policies are unpopular and suck…so instead of changing policies to win elections, they have resorted to other means. Angela Bridgman 26 minutes ago

For starter, who the hell cheers for austerity measures? Not the poor, I can tell you!! Angela Bridgman 25 minutes ago

Angela – I’d go even farther to say that the GOP has devolved into a purely power-seeking entity that no longer has any issues to run on but hate and fear. And they do know that their base is a minority so they can only try to suppress voters to win. That simple. AdLib 24 minutes ago

Ad from what I’ve read of Alio’s decision I believe I sort of see where CL is coming from. But, I need to read it completely along with what the other justices said. Also compare it to the 1965 CRA. Once I get that done perhaps I will be able to share my clearly my thoughts. twilson117 23 minutes ago

And the only goals that the terminally corrupt GOP has left is make the rich richer because that’s who funds them and grab power because that’s what the wealthy pay them for. A very small vicious circle for them. AdLib 23 minutes ago

I agree, Ad Angela Bridgman 22 minutes ago

TW – Fair enough, we just have a rare disagreement on this issue. I agree with Elena Kagan’s point here: “Justice Elena Kagan dissented, along with Justices Stephen Breyer and Sonia Sotomayor, the two other liberal justices on the bench. “Section 2 was meant to disrupt the status quo, not to preserve it—to eradicate then-current discriminatory practices, not to set them in amber,” Kagan wrote in her opinion. She specifically highlighted Georgia’s recently passed election law as problematic for minority voters and referenced the many GOP-backed voting restrictions that have emerged this year, noting how they add barriers to voting by mail and shorten the windows to apply for and return mail ballots.” AdLib 22 minutes ago

And supposing they get away with it…how long do you think before the torches and pitchforks come out?? Angela Bridgman 22 minutes ago

Angela – That is one thing the GOP hjasn’t understood, if they do succeed in stealing the presidency, the protests around the country would be George Floyd times 10. The country would be ungovernable and an insurrection by the majority would be far more likely. A real modern Civil War. It would be a nightmare. We can’t allow that to happen. AdLib 20 minutes ago

Ad don’t doubt that. For me it’s about trying to understand both sides of the argument. It is also about recognizing a clearer strategy will be needed and I’ll be damned if I know what it is, but it doesn’t feel like we can keep using the one we’ve be using. twilson117 18 minutes ago

TW – IMO, Kagan’s point is that providing states with a new defense of claiming the lie of voter fraud allows them to keep the status quo of prejudice in voting systems. Until this decision, the hoax of claiming voter fraud was not given precedence over actual voting rights. It’s kind of twisted, IMO. Fear of an unproven hysteria is fine to balance against the actual suppression of the voting rights of Americans? AdLib 16 minutes ago

Ad We’ve been couting on the preclearance since the VRA was passed. It was modified but it’s been under constant attack and now it’s all but gone. That tells me alot most of all we need something that is tighter and supposedly its in the two VRA bills in congress now. twilson117 16 minutes ago

The GOP do not understand our resolve. They do not know that WE UNDERSTAND that our very lives are at stake. They think we are stupid. Angela Bridgman 15 minutes ago

Ad I have to read Kagan decision as well. twilson117 15 minutes ago

TW – Yes, and the solution to the hurdle that Roberts created is to require pre-clearance from all states. Then his bogus argument, that selected states is not reasonable over time as they may change, is escaped. AdLib 14 minutes ago

Angela – You’re right, we don’t go out like lemmings to rallies or paste Biden flags on our homes and trucks, they think this means we’re not prepared to fight for our rights. I hope we stop them but if they succeed in stealing power and destroying our democracy, the streets will be full in every city and state and “real” Americans will come out to stop them. AdLib 12 minutes ago

Ad you may be right on that. I honestly don’t know. It’s reading time for me. Probably will have more questions than answers. After all I’m no lawyer, just and ole COBOL programmer and management consultant.

twilson117 11 minutes ago

The George Floyd protests affirmed to me that when Americans are truly outraged, they will step up and demand justice. And that will only be more intense if it is over the end of the U.S. as a democracy. AdLib 11 minutes ago

TW – Maybe we could use your talent to program the anti-vaxxers to get shots? Or doesn’t it work that way? AdLib 10 minutes ago

Ad from my POV the best and most efficent way of dealing with the anti-vaxxers is to take out in the middle of the ocean chum the waters and punch holes in the boat while we ewscaped on the helicopter waiting to pick us up. twilson117 7 minutes ago

Maybe it’s something that has to happen, maybe to overcome this Trumpist madness, we need the country to pour into the streets and reclaim this country and its democracy and “lock them up”. But many people would be hurt in the process so I absolutely prefer that we stop Trump’s GOP now. AdLib 7 minutes ago

I agree. Civil War would be hell. But it may come to that. Angela Bridgman 6 minutes ago

TW – I like the way you think! But I would feel sorry for the sharks that would eat them. AdLib 6 minutes ago

Ad the thing about shraks they’ll eat anything and live to tell about it another day.

twilson117 5 minutes ago

Angela – It may but war is always more glorious in the imagination. A real civil war, where Trump or another Repub who stole the presidency is turning our National Guard against us, injuring and killing citizens, would be so horrible and ugly. AdLib 5 minutes ago

TW – But think about how much the poor sharks’ cholesterol would go up after eating all these good ol boys. AdLib 4 minutes ago

Ad are you really worried about the sharks cholestserol level? For them it would be the best meal they had next to seals, and we would be doing the seals a favor.

twilson117 2 minutes ago

I got to bounce take care Ad, Angela twilson117 a minute ago

TW – You’re right! Why wasn’t I looking at the big picture? This is a pro-seal agenda! AdLib a minute ago

Take care, TW! Have a great weekend! AdLib a minute ago

You as well twilson117 a minute ago

Night Angela! You have a great weekend too! AdLib a few seconds ago

night Angela Bridgman in a few seconds

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