Vox Populi, our weekly live chat aboout the week’s events begins tonight at 7:00pm PDT. Hope to see you then! AdLib 2 hours ago

Hi Ad. pinkpantheroz an hour ago

Hey PPO! How are things there? Riot-free? AdLib an hour ago

Happily yes, Ad. Sorry to see such Trumpfuckery there. pinkpantheroz an hour ago

I see the coward ran away from his ‘press conference’ Good look, that. pinkpantheroz an hour ago

At least they’ve arrested that cop. Took ’em long enoough pinkpantheroz an hour ago

Yep, with his little pink tail between his legs. And I do mean little. AdLib an hour ago

Maybe his Pampers couldn’t stem the flow pinkpantheroz an hour ago

PPO – It kind of felt like the County Attorney was trying to see if he could slide by without arresting him…and then the city was burned down thanks to that kind of thinking. AdLib an hour ago

Hey Murph! Hows the arm feeling? Short answers are just fine. AdLib an hour ago

Even the Police Unions were furious. pinkpantheroz an hour ago

Hi murph, no need to acknowledge pinkpantheroz an hour ago

Better…ice, slow exercise and stretching, oxycodone as needed, and planning to particpate tonight. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

Good for you, Murph, easy and slow. Just watch that oxy. pinkpantheroz an hour ago

great tweet just now “Chicago Mayor Lightfoot had very choice, very specific words for Trump’s comments on the murder of George Floyd, and the subsequent protests in Minnesota: “I will code what I really want to say to Donald Trump It begins with F and ends with you.” pinkpantheroz an hour ago

PPO – Many of them were, yes. They saw that was a murder in broad daylight. But the Minneapolis PD has been lying and protecting him. And one cop was videoed starting the riot and burnings yesterday, dressed in a black outfit and carrying an umbrella to hide his face. He smashed windows in the first building that was looted. Agent provocateur, they’re called. Evil is in that police force. AdLib an hour ago

Saw that, Ad. Also noted the majority of looters were white pinkpantheroz an hour ago

PPO – Trump’s such a coward, it amazes me how his cultists see him as manly and strong. AdLib an hour ago

Funny, Ad, that it was his own wife that identified the anarchist cop pinkpantheroz an hour ago

The “demonstrators”…..like Ferguson…..their actions invalidate their stated purpose….even though the source of their anger is vile and the cause a virtuous one….I learned from Dr. Ralph Abernathy that non-violence is the most important tool in a righteous crusade. We were trained in its use and those who could not use it were set to other tasks or quietly set aside. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

Ad, they watch HypnoFox pinkpantheroz an hour ago

Very good, Murph. I assume that means you’re coming along. AdLib an hour ago

Agree Murph. Looters play into the ‘law and order GOP whiners pinkpantheroz an hour ago

Hiya glenn! pinkpantheroz an hour ago

None of what I say addresses the purposeful anarchists, the pyromaniacal, and the criminal opportunists but demonstrators associating with them drags them down…..it muddies the goal, hinders the purpose…..standing peacefully against injustice ennobles. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

Hey Glenn….how are the Masks….. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

PPO – I saw that! I think the dam has broken and many are fine with wailing on Trump. After COVID and 100k lives sacrificed at the foot of Trump’s re-election bid, and very much after he declared people should inject disinfectant, I felt a real change. The spell is totally broken, outside of his cult. And his blatant grab for dictatorship means the gloves are off. AdLib an hour ago

Good evening, all. I am so saddened by all that’s happening lately. I’m going to show you how old I am with my comments. This shit was happening was I was in high school over 50 years ago! Over 50 years ago! And we still haven’t come to grips with our systemic racism. I believe a lot of this is due to the gutting of the Civil Rights Act. Somehow or other, the racists have decided that they can take over our country. I’m just so saddened and feel so old. When will we ever come together? glenn an hour ago

Hi glenn! Hope you are well. I’ve seen how bad it got out there in Atlanta today. Thank goodness you’re sheltering at home. AdLib an hour ago

Glenn….we are in the same generation…I addressed this in two earlier comments which you might find of interest. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

Murph–glad to hear that you are healing. glenn an hour ago

PPO – Yep, I saw video inside Target, white men and women looting. The woman looted lamps! AdLib an hour ago

Glenn….I am….ups and downs but generally up. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

glenn, I think we’re all Baby Boomers. Went through it all as well pinkpantheroz an hour ago

PPO – His ex-wife! She posted side-by-side photos of him and the photo of him last night…wearing HER mask and gloves! AdLib an hour ago

This is what Dr. King called on his disciples to be and to do….King’s notion of nonviolence had six key principles. First, one can resist evil without resorting to violence. Second, nonviolence seeks to win the “friendship and understanding” of the opponent, not to humiliate him (King, Stride, 84). Third, evil itself, not the people committing evil acts, should be opposed. Fourth, those committed to nonviolence must be willing to suffer without retaliation as suffering itself can be redemptive. Fifth, nonviolent resistance avoids “external physical violence” and “internal violence of spirit” as well: “The nonviolent resister not only refuses to shoot his opponent but he also refuses to hate him” (King, Stride, 85). The resister should be motivated by love in the sense of the Greek word agape, which means “understanding,” or “redeeming good will for all men” (King, Stride, 86). The sixth principle is that the nonviolent resister must have a “deep faith in the future,” stemming from the conviction that “The universe is on the side of justice” (King, Stride, 8

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Murph–the masks are wonderful, thank you! Took a trip to the grocery store in the middle of the afternoon, so I wore both of them. I’m glad I did. The store was more crowded than I liked, and many people were not wearing masks. So glad I had double protection, thanks to my friend! glenn an hour ago

Well done, glenn, and Murph. that is being a friend and neighbor pinkpantheroz an hour ago

Murph – Have to disagree with you on that. The violence, while awful, does not invalidate their protest. It is the inevitable result after hopelessness with the system protecting their lives and providing justice. I don’t support the violence at all but it’s understandable. They can’t count on electing politicians, on the system protecting their lives or the justice system. What is left for them to do but give up and be dominated or revolt? AdLib an hour ago

“A riot is the language of the unheard.” Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. AdLib an hour ago

Glenn…I am surrounded by mask free fools…..as are you…I wear my double often. I have ordered a button I designed myself the has an image of a mask with COVID-19 stamped on it. The words above it are “For MY Sake, For YOUR sake, For OUR sake…..PLEASE wear a mask.” MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

Ad–I have an online subscription to the Atlanta Journal Constitution, and this afternoon I read how peaceful the protests were. Imagine my surprise when I read tonight that they had turned ugly. There were so many black leaders out in front of the protests asking people to follow MLK’s and Abernathy’s peaceful examples. I don’t know how or when the protests turned violent, but the people who provoked the violence should be locked up. glenn an hour ago

Murph – As you say, there are anarchists who are exploiting the protests and a minority of protesters joining them. Not fair to paint them all with the same brush. AdLib an hour ago

Murph–yes, and your comments are always of interest to me. glenn an hour ago

Ad, the frustration results in the looters destroying their own precincts, more often than not, leading to less shops and restaurants to cater for them pinkpantheroz an hour ago

Sorry Ad….I am a dyed in the wool MLK disciple and while the violence may be understandable it does very little (often no) good. Ferguson is my most recent experience of this. King showed us the way and it does work. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

Murph–I just don’t understand the mask-free fools. What in the hell are they trying to “prove”? glenn an hour ago

glenn – As you say, we did make progress but the SCOTUS and Republicans have torn down much of the progress on ravcial issues. We have to build again from the ground up and a good start would be vting in a Biden Admin in Nov. So much more work to do though after that. AdLib an hour ago

Glenn….when Panthers moved into take over our protests, our orders were to disband and go to one of several churches leaving the Panthers isolated….it worked….after a few such efforts the militants stayed away. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

Miller and Bannon names loom large in my reading of how this all escalated. Fomenting civil unrest and fear has been good for the GOP for years pinkpantheroz an hour ago

Murph – MLK’s pursuit of non-violence is of course, the best course. My point though is that growing protests and even riots don’t invalidate the cause of them nor the need to fix the racism that brough them about. AdLib an hour ago

Glenn….in my neck of the woods it all comes down to a combo of self righteousness, hatred of government, machoism, hedonism, a failure to embrace the community, selfishness and stupidity (all supported by propaganda campaigns that reinforce) MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

Very glad to hear the masks worked out, very kind and considerate of you, Murph! AdLib 44 minutes ago

Ad–I agree with you completely about voting in November. I’m just not sure we are going to have anything resembling a “United” States by then. The people advocating for a “civil war” may get their way before then, with the help of the TLB. I think I’m going to add another initial to my name for him, and that is an “R” for “racist”. So, heretofore, he will be known as the RTLB. glenn 44 minutes ago

glenn – I saw a number of white Trumper types throwing stones to break the windows at CNN. Very possible that racists are embedding in the protests (and cops) to make the protests appear horrible and violent. AdLib 43 minutes ago

Ad…I am speaking efficacy and to impact….these actions do not lead forward and give “the enemy” ammunition. I was bloodied four times, and jailed six times during my years with SNCC…I know how strong the feelings are but I learned to embrace King and Abnerathy’s approach as not only the most rightful but also the most effective. MurphTheSurf3 43 minutes ago

Ad…..if you need masks I am working on getting more. MurphTheSurf3 42 minutes ago

PPO – I saw a message from one of the restaurant owners whose place burned down. He said that he will be fine and he will be back, he wanted the community to know he understood the pain and upset they were feeling. AdLib 42 minutes ago

Murph–I agree with you about the violence; yet nothing seems to get done, especially with a republican administration, until and unless people turn violent. So, I think the people advocating for change are divided as to the best and perhaps more importantly, the fastest way to initiate change. As you and I both know, this has been going on way too long! glenn 41 minutes ago

Ad, I saw that as well! What an attitude! If only more were like that. pinkpantheroz 41 minutes ago

Ad…I would love to promote the message I am having printed….I have ordered a button I designed myself the has an image of a mask with COVID-19 stamped on it. The words above it are “For MY Sake, For YOUR sake, For OUR sake…..PLEASE wear a mask.” MurphTheSurf3 41 minutes ago

Murph, Do you have a dummy to show. Will you put it on eBay or Amazon? I can tweet it out for you pinkpantheroz 39 minutes ago

Ad–We Democrats cannot blame this lack of progress solely on republicans. Yes, they played a large part in it. However, when Dems stay home, or when they wait for a “perfect” candidate, they give the republicans the license (and the votes) to perpetuate their agenda. And, because of that, what we have now is the “perfect storm” with republicans backed into a corner from their racist policies, and Dems not having enough power to do anything. glenn 38 minutes ago

Murph – But as the quote I shared above from MLK expresses, when non-violent protests have led to the current racist system, where black people can be murdered in broad daylight and the justice system fails them, violence is inevitable. I don’t support it but it’s like explainiing why there are hurricanes, destructive things that develop for logical reasons…but I’m not in support of them wreaking damage and havoc. AdLib 38 minutes ago

Murph–that is indeed a good strategy. I hope the word gets around to the peaceful protesters so that those intent on anarchy can be left on their own. glenn 37 minutes ago

Ad–While I hate to sound like a conspiracy theorist, I’m not sure that the sabotage of the protests that you describe is indeed what is happening. glenn 36 minutes ago

Glenn…what got it done in the 60’s and 70’s? A movement designed around King’s principals, embraced by the political establishment for their own reasons but still accepted, and legal/economic measures that were transformative….the movement fell apart (or was blown up, or both) and progress ground to a halt. My black woman friend minister from Ferguson is in my generation and was driven out because her focus was on taking political control of the town via the ballot box and exerting influence on the wider county council. She was proclaimed to be an oreo for these efforts. After three years she went elsewhere. MurphTheSurf3 36 minutes ago

PPO – This is exactly what Miller, Bannon and Trump have spoken in favor of, race wars and civil unrest. Hoping that as it wages, they can seize authoritarian power over the country and dominance over people of color and Dems. AdLib 36 minutes ago

Murph – That’s a pretty good description of the Trumper community. AdLib 35 minutes ago

Ad….MLK understood that violence may be “inevitable” but he was clear that it would do no good, and likely great harm. It has. MurphTheSurf3 35 minutes ago

PPO–Now, the gop has formented civil unrest for so long that it has turned into a poisonous stew. And, once again, it has turned to Dems to “fix” it. Whether or not that can happen remains to be seen. glenn 34 minutes ago

glenn – I think Trump sees that nothing he’s trying is changing his trajectory to lose in Nov, I think he is very available to pouring gas on this fire as he did in his tweet last night, hoping anything might hep him finish his coup and winning re-election. AdLib 33 minutes ago

Ad…I looked for the quote and could not find it. Could you repeat the King “inevitable” quote… MurphTheSurf3 33 minutes ago

glenn, I agree. He is trapped in a corner and lashing out in all directions. His Foreign failures are being ignored, BTW. pinkpantheroz 32 minutes ago

Ad….and Trump benefits from the behavior we are discussing with those most likely to be won over by his fear, anger, hatred based rabble rousing MurphTheSurf3 32 minutes ago

Apparently the WH is under siege right now. MurphTheSurf3 31 minutes ago

Black leadership in the political, economic, professional cadres are pretty uniform in condemning the actions of the rioters. MurphTheSurf3 30 minutes ago

Murph – Just to be clear, there’s a difference between support and understanding the moment. In this Trump era, with armed militias and racist Trumpers aggressively attacking people of color, the sentiment out there is one of, “We’ve had enough and we’re not rolling over again.” You can’t blame protesters for losing faith that the justice system will work for them because it doesn’t. It’s killing them. They have to have “The Talk” with their kids about how to act when a cop stops them…they’ve reached the end of their rope and at least for the near term, there’s a lot of raw emotion out there. This is the reality, it’s not going to be bottled up in non-violent protests right now but I can absolutely see it ending up there after this pressurized emotion is finally relieved a bit. Again, not supporting violence, just recognizing the moment. AdLib 29 minutes ago

Murph–I agree completely. The pics of the police beating on peaceful protesters is what finally got it done. Of course, we also had to have a Dem president who understood the source of the racial problem, and not one who throws gasoline on the fire, and threatens to shoot American citizens. It would be so amazing if the looters were actually caught in the act, and turned out to be trumpers. But I don’t think that even if that were the case, it would be presented as such. I have seen several pics lately side by side of the armed white men spitting and shouting in cops faces, and the protesters being tear gassed. So, I’m not sure if we are dealing with the same set of “reality” that we were in the 60’s and 70’s. Not to mention the theory that right wingers are causing a lot of the looting. We certainly live in a different “reality” now. glenn 28 minutes ago

Murph – It would be great if the Trumpers could understand that wearing a mask is about being a considerate neighbor and protecting others as they protect you. Especially folks in smaller communities should get that…if they’re not too brainwashed by Fox and Trump. AdLib 27 minutes ago

Ad–that restaurant owner has a wonderful outlook. glenn 27 minutes ago

glenn, that Atlanta Mayor is something else! pinkpantheroz 26 minutes ago

But this will do no good. “In this Trump era, with armed militias and racist Trumpers aggressively attacking people of color, the sentiment out there is one of, “We’ve had enough and we’re not rolling over again.” It may be understandable but it is not effective or wise…the failure of leadership (or outright lack of it) in the protesting community guts their message and makes it easy for those opposed to them to make their anger, their violence, their riotous intent THE STORY..it happened here in St. Louis and it has happened over and over since the Peace Movement to which I belonged was derailed by those who would lose if it won out. Thus for us the racist KKK sheriff and the leader of black power cadre were equally, but differently, dangerous. MurphTheSurf3 24 minutes ago

glenn – No, it isn’t on Repubs 100%, Dems are responsiible too for the racism that continues in the structure of the country. It’s persistent and Dems haven’t been, generally speaking. Many see it as a danger to pursue, politically. But for all of us, it is time we took this on fully and break up this institutionalized racism. People of color have waited long enough and it can’t wait. AdLib 24 minutes ago

Ad–the RTLB is loving this unrest! He can just stand in front of a mic when he wants, read from a teleprompter, then walk away. Then the next day, little Kay-lie can lie for him at her press “conferences”. The RTLB can loot the country, Social Security, etc. while people are focused on race and COVID19. He and the republicans that enable him are just plain evil, IMO. glenn 24 minutes ago

glenn – There are opportunists always, looking to exploit the power of protests for their own fringe causes. Like anarchists, racists, rogue cops, etc. That has always been the case. AdLib 23 minutes ago

PPO–Yes, his foreign failures are being ignored/hidden because there is so much going on. How about withdrawing from WHO in the middle of a pandemic? It’s just one more distraction from his vileness. glenn 21 minutes ago

Ad…to add to your insight re. the blame that Dems have in all of this….not only were they at the heart of a Dixiecrat movement that reinforced segregation but once they “switched sides” worked hard to ensure that blacks were weakened and disabled such that leadership in their own communities was displaced. I lived in a well established black community in Chicago for 13 years and saw what the Great Society did to hollow out families, schools and business…. MurphTheSurf3 20 minutes ago

Ad–if the RTLB’s followers could understand what wearing a mask is all about, they wouldn’t be the RTLB’s supporters. glenn 20 minutes ago

I got mocked again today at a store for wearing a mask. Fortunately my skin is like leather and my disdain an armor. MurphTheSurf3 19 minutes ago

PPO–Yes, Atlanta’s mayor is showing what leadership is all about. glenn 19 minutes ago

Murph – But it is where we are now. Condemning people of color who are so desperate to be driven to protest like this is being on the wrong side of history. The intensity of emotions can and will be diffused…but only after substantial steps are taken to prove that this is their country too and that they have reason to believe that change is happening. This won’t just blow over now, change is what puts out the fire and they are on the right side of history in their rotest, just not in the rioting. And do we ever say we need to shut down police forces because of their violence, killing people indiscriminately and escaping consequence? It’s nt a level playing field. AdLib 19 minutes ago

“A riot is the language of the unheard.” -MLK – This is an acknowledgement that violence is inevitable if a community believes there is no change and nothing they can do to bring it about. AdLib 17 minutes ago

King made it clear. What will make change is when power resides in the hands of the weak….through political engagement, educational empowerment, and financial strength. He was killed for that (and I suggest that his murder came at him from both sides….he was a threat to many kinds of status quo). MurphTheSurf3 17 minutes ago

Ad–Yes, Dem politicians have to quit being worried about what is good for them politically, as opposed to what is good for the country. We need to urge our Dem leaders to understand that if they would work to break up this institutionalized racism, that it would be better for them, not putting them in danger. glenn 17 minutes ago

Just now, Cops pepper-shooting Media camera crews in Louisville KT pinkpantheroz 16 minutes ago

“A riot is the language of the unheard.” -MLK – I know the quote…..but king does not suggest that the language is effective. He says that those drawn to riot need a new language….political power, education, economic strength. MurphTheSurf3 16 minutes ago

Ad–I know; maybe I’m just tired of the opportunists, anarchists, racists, rogue cops, etc. I believe that we should have been able to “overcome” those evil people in 50 years, no matter how much they keep popping up. I truly believe that more Americans think like you and I do, it’s just time for them to start speaking up. glenn 14 minutes ago

Ad This is an excellent discussion of the ramifications of the quote and its roots. https://theweek.com/speedreads/917022/riot-language-unheard-martin-luther-king-jr-explained-53-years-ago MurphTheSurf3 13 minutes ago

Murph – Trump is not benefitting from all of this, he ran like a coward today at what was supposed to be a press conference. He’s getting censored on Twitter and condemned from Repubs and Dems. Again, I am not an advocate of violence but most Americans are very aware of what caused this widening protest, they’ve seen the video of a black man being murdered by a cop and the delay in arresting him, as a black person would be arrested immediately. In the end, this will work for getting rid of Trump, it is one more disaster on top of COVID-19, the economic depression, the rise of hatred and madness and the destruction of our democracy and social fabric. All of this is “The Trump Era” and I am confident a majority of voters want a change. AdLib 13 minutes ago

Murph–Here is a question that I have been pondering for a while now. Do you think that the architects of the “Great Society” were aware of the what the consequences might be for the black community, or did they “solve” one problem only to create an even worse one? IOW, was the “cure” worse than the problem, and was it planned? Or was it just a hastily thrown together plan to stem the bleeding? glenn 11 minutes ago

Ad, first Covid-19 positive tests from the Ozark party already. pinkpantheroz 11 minutes ago

Ad…I hope your reading on Trump is right on….here in “Trumps America” these events and his spin on them has put new wind in his campaign sails. MurphTheSurf3 11 minutes ago

Murph–well said…”my disdain is an armor.” glenn 10 minutes ago

glenn – Even if Trump thinks this racial conflict is good for him, it’s not. The walls were already falling in on him. Now, he looks mppotent to stop this and unwilling. He wouldn’t even mention it today. Americans look for their president to step in and stop bad things that are going on. Trump is incapable of that and if he pivots to full blown race war supporter, it will be so ugly, he will only lose support. Meanwhile, Biden expresses compassion, wisdom and uderstanding. He will have the message of, “We can fix this if you vote for me…or it can get worse if you keep Trump where he is.” AdLib 9 minutes ago

PPO…expect that there will be many such slow motion train wrecks. “We just invited a bunch of friends to a big pool party, can you come” will be joined by a later statement “It is a shame there can be no wake or funeral…” MurphTheSurf3 9 minutes ago

Murph–really? The RTLB’s behavior in recent weeks is making him more popular with his supporters? OMG, we are in more trouble than I thought! glenn 9 minutes ago

Ad–You and I see it the way you have described. But, as Murph points out, the RTLB’s followers are eating it up! glenn 8 minutes ago

Glenn…my reference was to his response to the riots….it reinforces the thinking of the confederate flag crowd. MurphTheSurf3 8 minutes ago