Vox Populi, our weekly live chat about the week’s events, begins tonight at 7:00pm PDT. Hope to see you then! AdLib 4 hours ago

see u then pinkpantheroz 3 hours ago

Seeya! AdLib 3 hours ago

Hey glenn! AdLib 3 hours ago

For Sale: One only Atlantic Island, only 800 billion. Enquiries to Arfur Daley SLaes pinkpantheroz 3 hours ago

Hey Ad….look at that; I’m on time tonight! How are you? glenn 3 hours ago

glenn! pinkpantheroz 3 hours ago

PPO! glenn 3 hours ago

I’m impressed glenn! AdLib 3 hours ago

gold star, glenn pinkpantheroz 3 hours ago

Thanks, Ad. Me too! glenn 3 hours ago

Thanks, PPO glenn 3 hours ago

So…easy rider rides into the sunset. glenn 3 hours ago

PPO – Will Trump buy Pedophile Island and make Roy Moore governor? AdLib 3 hours ago

Hey Murph! You’re on time too! Good on us! glenn 3 hours ago

Him or Stephen Miller pinkpantheroz 3 hours ago

Murph! pinkpantheroz 3 hours ago

glenn – Peter Fonda will always be a part of film history. AdLib 3 hours ago

Hey Murph! AdLib 3 hours ago

Glenn…I would like to take a bow but I have been hanging around the Planet on and off all day. MurphTheSurf3 3 hours ago

Sad about Peter. Ride In Paradise pinkpantheroz 3 hours ago

Ad–Such a choice…buy Pedophile Island or Greenland? Which will it be? glenn 3 hours ago

Murph and I have been trading amusing graphics on the Trump buying Wakanda post. AdLib 3 hours ago

It’s actually Garden Island in Sydney Harbor for sale. Bloody eejit got it wrong again! pinkpantheroz 3 hours ago

Ad–Yup! I saw a decades-old profile picture of him today, and I was amazed at how much his profile was like Jane’s. Just a random thought. glenn 3 hours ago

I keep wondering if Trump has had his aides help him make a long list of outrageous distractions so they can go to the next on the list whenvere something terrible for Trump becomes news. AdLib 3 hours ago

That list is endless, Ad. pinkpantheroz 3 hours ago

Murph–Ahhh–stalking, huh? glenn 3 hours ago

Loved the low turnout at his latest cult service. Even the devout are exhausted! pinkpantheroz 3 hours ago

Ad–buying Wakanda? glenn 3 hours ago

Did you see The Elephant Man at his rally last night…….there apparently are more and more disruptions taking place….he is trying to stare them down…not working….. MurphTheSurf3 3 hours ago

glenn – There is a very eye opening doc on Jane Fonda on HBO. Fascinating woman but it seems she was living her life like an actress, passionate in playing the role of the ingenue, the activist, the billionaire’s wife but able to abandon the last role she played completely when she took the new one on. AdLib 3 hours ago

Ad–well, it would definitely have to be a long list, because the TLB does/says something terrible every day. glenn 3 hours ago

Murph, I think his endless braying is finally doing what Dems couldn’t – driving them away pinkpantheroz 3 hours ago

glenn: Here’s the link to the new humor article: https://planetpov.com/2019/08/16/trump-exploring-u-s-purchase-of-wakanda/ AdLib 3 hours ago

Murph–if by The Elephant Man you mean the guy who was yelling “traitor” at the TLB, yes I saw that. glenn 3 hours ago

Murph – I was thinking it may just be me but Trump’s act seems to be getting sour and transparent. AdLib 3 hours ago

Well, Brokeahontas can’t buy Greenland because Hillary pinkpantheroz 3 hours ago

glenn – I’ll bet every week they refresh the list of 50 outrageous items to pick from to distract from the usual bad news for Trump. AdLib 3 hours ago

Just an interesting tidbit….I went to a meeting a farmer association here last week and we had a guest speaker brought in by three of our group, not liberals by any means. He from the state agency that oversees farming production. He had some interesting things to tell us about conditions in Mo. What farmers are noticing Fewer bees, especially the bumblebees Fewer birds The hotter it is the harder it is for plants and animals to recover, to maintain resilience Areas that do not recover become deserts, dead swamps/bogs, barren plains Croplands dry out faster, water sources are less reliable, parasites and pests show up earlier and stay later requiring more pesticides AND with cool rather than cold winters their eggs, and spore do not die, weeds flourish MurphTheSurf3 3 hours ago

Ad–yeah, Jane is definitely a fascinating woman. I watched several episodes of Frankie and Grace while I was at my friends’ house, and it seems to me that her role in that program is her actual personna. Or maybe she’s just a great actress! glenn 3 hours ago

PPO–I agree. And the TLB’s act is driving women away in droves. Although, for the life of me, I could never understand any woman supporting him. glenn 3 hours ago

Murph, is it now percolating into their heads that they are in big trouble due to you know who? pinkpantheroz 3 hours ago

Murph – It’s fascinating and frightening to hear all of that (though those of us who believe in Climate Change know this has been going on). Yet, I’ll bet those farmers can rationalize Trump’s actions that are making all of it worse. AdLib 3 hours ago

Hey Harleigh! AdLib 3 hours ago

harleigh! pinkpantheroz 3 hours ago

hi guys Harleigh 3 hours ago

Ad–the problem is, they don’t seem to be working any more. More and more people are just outright laughing at him. glenn 3 hours ago

Hey Harleigh! glenn 3 hours ago

The group by and large agreed that those observations were ones that we too were seeing…..when asked if he had an explanation…he said we would not like the answer and before he said another word…one of our oldest guys said….”the damned weather is changing….that global warmup thing……yeah, I think that is what’s happening too….hell, what happened to winter here….” MurphTheSurf3 3 hours ago

Is Epstein’s departure a good or bad thing? pinkpantheroz 3 hours ago

glenn – She is a fantastic actress but she reflects the kind of self-absorption, and I don’t say this to be mean, that many actors fall into. It’s hard to stay modest when you are treated like royalty your whole life. AdLib 3 hours ago

Murph–IOW, what scientists have been saying for years would happen….What were the farmers’ reactions? glenn 3 hours ago

glenn – Trump’s driving away that whole segment of non-cultists that gave him enough to win the electoral college. He will lose in 2020 as long as Dems stay focused and push GOTV like they’re behind. AdLib 3 hours ago

agree, Ad. But Bernie needs to be muzzled! pinkpantheroz 3 hours ago

I see Elizabeth Warren has pushed ahead of Bernie to be second pinkpantheroz 3 hours ago

Glenn…given that one of our eldest said those words…which were then backed up by the speaker…..there was a pause and very little counterargument. MurphTheSurf3 3 hours ago

This poll from Fox News (of all places) tells the real story right now:

AdLib 3 hours ago

Murph–Disregard my last question in my last post; you just answered it. It never ceases to amaze me that repubs/conservatives never believe anything or want to help anyone unless it directly affects them. The next question is what will they do about it? Will they vote accordingly? glenn 3 hours ago

Trump is down to 39%!!! And all top Dems beat him nationally by strong margins! AdLib 3 hours ago

Ad–Exactly re: Jane glenn 3 hours ago

Ad, that is now. With Russia, NRA, Kochs and 1% billiions, will it stay that way? pinkpantheroz 3 hours ago

PPO – I would have rather seen Epstein convicted and forced to suffer the rest of his life in prison. AdLib 3 hours ago

Ad–I sure hope that the TLB loses in 2020. And not just loses, but loses by a “bigly” margin! glenn 3 hours ago

Agree, Ad, and all his nasty stuff aired to the horro of his pals. pinkpantheroz 3 hours ago

PPO – I disagree, the more Bernie talks, the lower his numbers get. And the stats are showing Warren is draining away Bernie voters. AdLib 3 hours ago

Glenn…since I am known as “the lib” in my group….I got asked that and I turned it back to our speaker who rather expertly said that we need to look to alternative fuels and that solar and wind here in MO. are strong bets…and that we need to find leaders who support that kind of thinking. He also suggested that the less meat we eat the better we address the issue too. MurphTheSurf3 3 hours ago

PPO–I’d like to jump in to answer the question you asked Ad. I think the influence of the NRA, Kochs, and the 1% is waning rapidly. And, not because of what they have done, but because of how unhinged, off the rails, and just plain mean the TLB has become. Fortunately, he is becoming his own worst enemy as he is pushed against reality more and more. glenn 3 hours ago

Murph, those changes are generational. Not enough people will give up fossil fuels and meat in the short term to make a difference. pinkpantheroz 3 hours ago

Here’s another interesting part of the Fox News poll, Biden support is flat and not growing, Bernie’s is sinking and Warren is the only candidate growing with momentum. I do think it is likely she will overtake Biden after a couple of more debates.

AdLib 3 hours ago

Warren is impressing me- she has “moderated” her message in several key areas and seems to have adjusted her tone to reflect the audiences she is addessing more and more. Good moves. Always impressed by her mind and her ideas. MurphTheSurf3 3 hours ago

need to stop fracking before the water supply is gone too Harleigh 3 hours ago

Liz is the best of the group in my book so far Harleigh 3 hours ago

good observation, glenn. Maybe Dems can concentrate on policies and leave the destruction of Brokeahontas in his own little hands. pinkpantheroz 3 hours ago

Murph–it sounds like there’s some hope in your neck of woods. But aren’t they worried about cancer from windmills? glenn 3 hours ago

lol Harleigh 3 hours ago

PPO – What is interesting is that as much as the RW and Russia will be trying to push voters and elections to Trump…I think China is going to exploit Trump’s tariff disaster and maybe election meddling to help defeat Trump. AdLib 3 hours ago

Murph–I think Warren is showing just how intelligent she really is, by adjusting her campaign “tactics” to reflect the feedback she gets from supporters and/or the media. glenn 3 hours ago

PPO…you could well be right but what was most interesting to me is that even in those ideas there was little pushback. I think a key is that a number of soy farmers are really pissed off at Trump for what is NOT happening in their getting the promised relief packages and with signs that a recession is brewing the angst is palpable. MurphTheSurf3 3 hours ago

Glenn….I agree that Warren is doing something that I admired Obama for….learning from his campaign experiences. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago

con agra gets the money to buy out all the fambly farms…. SUCKERS Harleigh 2 hours ago

Murph – What a pundit said today that I think reflects wwell on Warren is that she speaks the same, personal way to whatever group she’s in front of, whether minorities, union members, the elderly, whoever. She is a candidate who reflects how genuine she is. That is a huge contrast with Trump who has sold 12,000 lies and more. AdLib 2 hours ago

What can they do with all that soy? Anyone want to start a sake factory? pinkpantheroz 2 hours ago

CON AGRA AND LOTS OF FURRIN INVESTORS hahahaha Harleigh 2 hours ago

PPO–I agree that Dems need to concentrate on policies, but they also need to keep pounding on the TLB’s racism, misogyny, and ignorance. glenn 2 hours ago

glenn soooo right! pinkpantheroz 2 hours ago

Harleigh were you here last week when I wrote about a maga, maga local farmer who plastered his property with Trump signs and then one day last week they were gone…burned apparently….he had been screwed by the soy default. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago

what are the chances that China starts buying up all the agribusiness and get their soy that way? pinkpantheroz 2 hours ago

I will bet on one thing, Warren will not attack Biden, Bernie or any other candidate though she will have conflicts on policy. She will set the example the pundits attacked Dems for in the 2nd debate, having a circular firing squad. AdLib 2 hours ago

Ad…I agree…she comes across as sincere and authentic…but what she was not doing was connecting with folks like me. Now she is. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago

Ad–I agree on Warren’s authenticity. I think that comes from her teaching experience. You have to be authentic to get college kids (or any kids for that matter) to react to you, IMO. glenn 2 hours ago

Murph–why was Warren not connecting with you, if I may ask? glenn 2 hours ago

Murph, if it becomes Warren, I will be delighted, but concerned that comparisons to Hillary may diminish her, or the’It’s too soon for a female President” BS will surface pinkpantheroz 2 hours ago

Ad…I have noticed that she is now drawn into mudslinging…admirable. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago

PPO…in my world view it is long past the time when we should have had a woman as our leader…….and that is the tack I am taking with others. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago

Couldn’t agree more, Murph! pinkpantheroz 2 hours ago

Murph – I think it’s a slow start for a new candidate to connect with demographics that aren’t native to her. Of course Warren started with some but not a lot of Progressives and women but as you say, the more she gets exposure and as she learns to hone herself each day into a better candidate, she can reach more voters who may not have connected with her earlier. And Biden’s numbers reflect him as a candidate, steady but flat. He is what he is and the gaffes do reflect the workings of a 76 year old man. AdLib 2 hours ago

murph… nope… Harleigh 2 hours ago

Glenn….Warren came off to me as an ultra brainy school marm ….which is why I was not upset when she did not become the head of the Consumer Agency she created…..but now I am hearing a real difference in her tone…she is still smart but she is listening more and she seems to be accepting that when others disagree there may be something there for her to learn from. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago

glenn – Yes, I think beiing a patient professor helps train someone to be more measured towards others. But she did come from a humble background, as Biden and others did but with her, it seems to have had a deeper impact. AdLib 2 hours ago

BTW, we’re seeing NZ’s Prime Minister, Jacinda Ardern, kicking our Drumpf wannabe PM Scott (Hillsong) the nuts over CLimate change! pinkpantheroz 2 hours ago

Well…Harleigh it was stunning and I am beginning to think that this farmer, who is one of the giants around here, may have set off a bit of a chain reaction. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago

PPO…Good on Jacinda! MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago

sorry about typos – keyboard starting to act up! pinkpantheroz 2 hours ago

PPO–That BS will surface no matter who is the Dem candidate. The Dem candidate is also going to be called a socialist by every repub; you can count on it. Oh well…I think people are fed up with the TLB so much that it won’t matter. Or at least, I’m hoping that’s what will happen. glenn 2 hours ago

PPO – At the outset, Warren mught be compared to Hillary but as she campaigns, I think that connection, which is a bit sexist, will evaporate. Hillary’s challenge was that she was not seen as genuine and that she was an establishment candidate which represented ore of the same. Warren may also be a woman but she has a very genuine nature that Hillary badly needed and she is not an extablishment type so she offers an Obama kind of change that Hillary didnt. AdLib 2 hours ago

true Harleigh 2 hours ago

Also, more and more conservatives are finally seeing that no matter what policies Dems come up with, they can work around them, or vote them out in Congress, or things like that. What they can’t change is the destruction of our Democracy that the TLB is doing. “I don’t care if Sen. Elizabeth Warren is a mendacious Massachusetts liberal. She could tell me that she’s going to make me wear waffles as underpants and I’ll vote for her. I don’t care if Sen. Kamala Harris is an opportunistic California prosecutor who wants to relitigate busing. She could tell me that I have to drive to work in a go-cart covered with Barbie decals and I’ll vote for her. I don’t care if Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders is a muddle-headed socialist from a rural class-warfare state (where I once lived as one of his constituents). He could tell me he’s going to tax used kitty litter and I’ll vote for him.” Those are the words of glenn 2 hours ago

One of our Murdoch-loving shock jocks, Alan Jones, suggested someone stuff a sock down Ardern’s throat for dissing our PM. the reaction is that thousnads of socks are being delivered to Jones’ radio station with precise instructions as to where he sould insert them! pinkpantheroz 2 hours ago

conservative Naval War College professor Tom Nichols. glenn 2 hours ago

PPO – Jacinda is fantastic and Scott deserves to have his ass kicked over Climate Change. The worst that was predicted has been arriving, it’s here as Murph described. The whole Climate Denial Repub klan is falling apart, it’s a losing issue like most Repub issues with voters. AdLib 2 hours ago

Murph–okay, fair enough. glenn 2 hours ago

Just seeing something that has moved me…..an El Paso funeral….the widower had no other family so invited anyone who want to be there to come….so far nearly 1000 have showed up…. https://twitter.com/AC360/status/1162526889166155776
MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago

PPO–LOL! re socks! glenn 2 hours ago

Stunning, Murph. Just goes to show that humanity is not dead and buried in the USA. One guy at least came from Colorado pinkpantheroz 2 hours ago

glenn – But I think the difference in 2020 is that all of Trump’s hysteria has been normalized and is ignored now, as his hysteria over “Invasion!” was ignored in 2018 when Dems had a historic win. Trump’s BS is played out and tired, he’s going down in the polls despite all his extremist lies. Americans may have become a bit normalized to the outrage of Trump but they have also become normalized to his fear mongering. It doesn’t work except with his cult members. AdLib 2 hours ago

Yeah, that was so touching about that widower’s funeral. glenn 2 hours ago

Also, speaking of Anderson Cooper,if you all haven’t seen the interview he did with Stephen Colbert, it’s worth a watch. Colbert is so smart! glenn 2 hours ago

glenn – But I think the difference in 2020 is that all of Trump’s hysteria has been normalized and is ignored now, as his hysteria over “Invasion!” was ignored in 2018 when Dems had a historic win. Trump’s BS is played out and tired, he’s going down in the polls despite all his extremist lies. Americans may have become a bit normalized to the outrage of Trump but they have also become normalized to his fear mongering. It doesn’t work except with his cult members. AdLib 2 hours ago

Sorry about typos! Our miserable chubby of an Evilgelical Hypochristian PM is Scott Morrison pinkpantheroz 2 hours ago

Saw it glenn. Stephen is a genuine genius pinkpantheroz 2 hours ago

Murph – Yes, I saw that about the funeral and in this time of the worst of humanity being displayed, this proves that there are such wonderful people among us as well even if they don’t get their tweets spread all over the MSM every day. AdLib 2 hours ago

SO do we think Epstein really did commit suicide? Hard to take anything that comes out of Barr’s DoJ as truth. AdLib 2 hours ago

Ad–Not sure if Americans have become “normalized” to his fear mongering so much as they have become immune to it. I think they are just plain ignoring him and/or laughing at him. It’s kinda like a pesky fly, you just keep swatting him down and go on about your business. Anyway, I hope the momentum keeps building for Dems and whoever the Dem nominee will be. glenn 2 hours ago

https://twitter.com/hashtag/EmptySeatMAGATour?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1162401031118086144&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fthehill.com%2Fblogs%2Fblog-briefing-room%2Fnews%2F457782-emptyseatmagatour-trends-after-footage-shows-empty-seats-at MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago

PPO–Isn’t he? He is so thoughtful in his answers and I have to admire his faith, too. He is a real Christian, IMO. glenn 2 hours ago

This is funny! Palmer report says: “Donald Trump falsely claimed he drew a larger crowd than Elton John at his #TrumpRally The funny part: unlike Trump’s broke ass, Elton John actually could buy Greenland. pinkpantheroz 2 hours ago

glenn – Yes, I agree. The bottom line is that Trump is like a bad magician who only knows one trick. It worked in 2016 so he thinks it will always work but “the audience” has grown tired of seeing the same trick over and over and no matter how much louder he tries to be when hes doing it, the public sees it as played out. AdLib 2 hours ago

PPO–It’s still not clear if the TLB wants to buy Greenland personally, or if he wants the US to buy it. glenn 2 hours ago

You all know that all of this Trump crap, crap happening to and around Trump, is taking place in what was supposed to be a three week vacay……… MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago

Did you all see how the Greenlanders replied to the “we’ll buy” balloon…suchunderstated ridicule. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago

Murph – I liked the tweet under that category: https://twitter.com/MaureennKelly/status/1162394977554616320
AdLib 2 hours ago

AD: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDylgpGHcic

pinkpantheroz 2 hours ago

Ad….I did not see the story about the document. I will pass it around. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago

Ad–Plus, the TLB doesn’t have Hillary and/or Obama as a foil any more. Hillary was the person to vote against in 2016; it wasn’t necessarily that people were voting FOR the TLB. It’s a whole different scenario now. glenn 2 hours ago

Murph – As much of a laughing stock as Trump is around the world, his “buying Greenland” goof up has cemented him as an utter idiot. AdLib 2 hours ago

Murph–Love the way one of Denmark’s pols said something to the effect that the TLB has finally gone mad! glenn 2 hours ago

PPO – Playing it now, right on the money! AdLib 2 hours ago

Ad….I am curious about a line in that handout that states the attendance is an act of good faith between unions and the Trump leadership….I wonder what the back story on that is. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago

Ad–Yeah, I saw that document, too. Unbelievable! glenn 2 hours ago

I heard the Fool in Chief was thinking about Iceland as well, but was worried it would melt away! pinkpantheroz 2 hours ago

Ad–perhaps the TLB’s aides should have come up with another item from their list of distractions, because for sure, the Greenland one isn’t working! glenn 2 hours ago

glenn – As much as Trump will try to slam the Dem nom with insults and BS like “Socialist!”, I don’t think it will work with a Biden or Warren. Poor Hillary had been turned into a monster for Repubs over decades. They won’t have that as a basis to turn folks negative as badly as was done to Hillary and as Trump was and is. AdLib 2 hours ago

Greenland: We are Open for Business but Not For Sale.

MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago

BRB glenn 2 hours ago

Murph – Remember, a number of unions got into bed with Trump in 2016, like fools I’m sorry to say, believing that his BS about infrastructure and supporting manufacturing would come true. Now they know, they were rubes to believe him. AdLib 2 hours ago

Trump is also looking at buying Gotham City. AdLib 2 hours ago

I would have hoped that the string of broken promises would have begun to enlighten them but I guess not. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago

glenn – Well, Greenland has bumped gun control off the news shows so it is working to one degree but has also hurt him by making him look dumber than a bag of hammers. AdLib 2 hours ago

So should we cut aid to Israel for joining Trump’s islamophobic White Nationalism? AdLib 2 hours ago

Isn’t it rich that across the water, Boris the Bollocks has been told by the US gummint that he won’t necessarily get any deal from them, unless the UK adopt US Food Regulations, like Chlorinated chickens! pinkpantheroz 2 hours ago

Murph – If a recession truly is on the way, and it sure looks like it, the union members will finally be convinced that Trump lied to them when they lose their jobs. I have no sympathy for fools who vote to hurt others just because they think it will put money in their pockets. They deserve the fate they intended for others. AdLib 2 hours ago

Ad, Yes! Israel is an Apartheid nation, so should be embargoed altogether. pinkpantheroz 2 hours ago

Yes, Ad…I fear that many are in for a terrible letdown but they have made their bedbug ridden bed and now must lie in it. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago

Boris is Badenough to go down as one of the greatest failures of a PM in UK history. A no-Brexit? Really? It won’t happen and he fails or if it does, the UK is devastated. Eiither way, he will be hated. AdLib 2 hours ago

BTW, folks, I am normally very pro-Israel, but with BeBe in charge, they’ve gon off the rails altogether. pinkpantheroz 2 hours ago

Ad–Yes, all money to Israel should be stopped until they deal with the Palestinians fairly. glenn 2 hours ago

Well friends….I am heading for the day….long days…….but love this hour or so with the gang at Vox. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago

Same here, Murph. Breath of fresh-ish air! Keep it up with your work! pinkpantheroz 2 hours ago

Bye all. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago

Cheers! pinkpantheroz 2 hours ago

PPO–The state of Israel began as a good idea. However, displacing the Palestinians to create the Israel is similar to our history of slavery. Until that problem is acknowledged and dealt with, Israel will always need propping up by the US and other nations. glenn 2 hours ago

Bye Murph! glenn 2 hours ago

PPO – What makes me angry is that Israel’s government (not many of the people there who also oppose the cruelty towards Palestinians) claims that supporting a boycott to pressure Israel to stop torturing and oppressing Palestinians is termed, “Calling for the destruction of Israel.” Really? Israel can only exist if it oppresses and tortures Palestinians? AdLib 2 hours ago

PPO – Same here, I support the people of Israel but not the corrupt and hateful government. Much like America! AdLib 2 hours ago

Ad–exactly. But it’s the same mindset as the TLB and his cultists. We can’t be “great” until we get rid of all our immigrants and poor people. glenn 2 hours ago

Ad–As you say, you can support Israel and still point out the government’s shortcomings. Just like here. glenn 2 hours ago

glenn, yet again incompetent nation-building effort by – Britain. they ruled Palestine and didn’t want major displaced Jewish people resettling in ENgland. They sort of forgot to ask the Palestinians what they thought about it. Thus, 70 years later, still fighting, like India and Pakistan. More Fool Britannia than Rule Britannia pinkpantheroz 2 hours ago

glenn – The big displacement of Palestinians happened after the 1967 war, when Arab countries thought they could take back Israel. Israel remarkably won that war and afterwards, seized the land of the Palestinians as the spoils of war. Then along the years, they became as terrible as oppressors ad the Egyptians were of them many years before. Hate to see this, Jews should be sympathetic to a people being oppressed but their fear and anger has turned their nation (again, not all the people) into the oppressors. AdLib 2 hours ago

Well, folks, I’m away. See you all next week, when we can discuss the latest debacles! Be happy! pinkpantheroz 2 hours ago

It is one of the oldest stories of the powerful oppressing the weak, the weak overthrowing them then becoming just as corrupted by power and becoming oppressors themselves. AdLib 2 hours ago

Take care PPO! AdLib 2 hours ago

pinkpantheroz 2 hours ago

So glenn, are you feeling more optimistic about Dems winning in 2020? AdLib 2 hours ago

Ad and PPO–The quote from Rashid, quoting Tutu is great: “I am not interested in picking up crumbs of compassion thrown from the table of someone who considers himself my master. I want the full menu of rights.” glenn 2 hours ago

glenn – That is fantastic! I never heard it before but will remember it. So true, you can’t accept being treated as an inferior even if you get a little of what you want out of it. Because then you will have affirmed that you are inferior. AdLib 2 hours ago

Trump and Netanyahu lost big time with this bigoted and anti-free-speech move. What fools! AdLib 2 hours ago

Ad–yes, the 1967 war turned the tide, but the displacement of Palestinians was always part of Israel’s beginnings. Yes, why Jews think it’s okay to oppress Palestinians given the Jews’ history, is beyond me. glenn 2 hours ago

Ad–slightly more optimistic….but I still don’t trust the repubs to cheat their way again. However, I am cheered by the blowback that the TLB is FINALLY getting from his actions/words. Now, if only the consequences become more than just words. Like him losing the election. glenn 2 hours ago

glenn – True. I think it goes back to the ridiculous back and forth warring to win back control of Israel between Arabs and Jews. So when the Jews took it back, they felt they were only taking back what was stolen from them. And Arabs and Palestinians felt the same way as they tried to take it back. So it’s really a messed up victim/vengeance thing that has gone back and forth for millennia. AdLib 2 hours ago

Yeah, isn’t that a great quote? glenn 2 hours ago

The Repubs will cheat, Russia will help them but all of that can only affect elections marginally. So if Dems do what they did in 2018 and win by big margins, it will be too much to “fix” for Repubs. AdLib 2 hours ago

And I do think China will be helping the Dems beat Trump, not that Dems should want or welcome it. So the Russian efforts will be offset by the Chinese. Sad that it’s come to this but until we get Dem control to shut down foriegn interference in our elections, it will be there. AdLib 2 hours ago

China doesn’t want another 4 years of Trump, why would they? And they know Dems wouldn’t use tariffs like Trump. So why wouldn’t they make efforts to help get rid of Trump if they can? And I think they may want to stretch out the trade war through the 2020 election to beat down Trump and the economy which is the only thing keeping Trump from completely tanking. AdLib 2 hours ago

Ad–Yeah, it certainly has been going for millennia. That’s part of the problem, too. My husband used to say the Arabs and Jews were on the same road; they came to a fork, and couldn’t agree on which fork to take, so the Arabs went one way, and the Jews went the other. And neither of them would admit that the either road was good. An overt simplification, to be sure, but the “feud” has been going on so long, that neither of them know how to stop feuding. It’s a damn big desert out there in the ME, you’d think they could share a little bit! glenn 2 hours ago

…that the other road was good.. glenn 2 hours ago

Ad–yeah, that’s what I’m hoping, too. A huge Dem turnout, along with some republicans who are no longer voting against Hillary, might turn the election. glenn 2 hours ago

Yes, I think the feud between them has become embraced as defining their identity. It’s sad and should cause shame but they foolishly take pride in it, both sides using victimhood as justification for hating the other…though right now, no question the Israeli government is indeed victimizing Palestinians. AdLib 2 hours ago

I have seen no evidence that there is some huge untapped supply of racist voters who didn’t come out for Trump in 2016 and will come out for him in 2020. His game has no ending. There is no there, there. Even if his cult members come out and vote like they did in 2016, a Dem with just 1% more of the vote in the swing states, wins the WH. AdLib 2 hours ago

And whoever the Dem nom is, they won’t have Comey and the FBI and decades of baggage and smearing to weigh them down as happened to Hillary. AdLib 2 hours ago

Ad–I really would hate to see China interfere in our election. If they do try, Dems should shut it down immediately! But, stretching out the trade war and denying the TLB their markets will be a much better strategy. I just hate to see US farmers do down the tubes. However….they did vote for the idiot, so my sympathy level is only to the level that it affects our economy, not for them personally. If that makes sense. glenn 2 hours ago

Damn, can’t type tonight….see US farmers GO down the tubes. glenn 2 hours ago

AND…we now have Dem governors in all the swing states that gave Trump the win so they won’t be able to weaponize voter suppression in 2020 as they did in 2016. AdLib 2 hours ago

Ad–Exactly. Victimhood never served anyone well. glenn an hour ago

glenn – I think that is how China will affect the election, by holding out in the trade war until Trump is defeated. Trump is an idiot, he handed them the tools to defeat him! AdLib an hour ago

Plus, I am hearing about Stacey Abrams’ FairFight 2020, which is fighting voter suppression. And, here in GA, a court has ruled that GA MUST use paper ballots in the 2020 election. glenn an hour ago

I hope farmers are just suffering a bit to learn from their mistake but can recover under Dems and hopefully, change their political affiliation. AdLib an hour ago

Yes, that was a BIG victory! So glad about the paper ballots in GA! And Abrams has a lot of heat about being a top VP pick for any Dem that wins the nom. She’s great! AdLib an hour ago

Aye, there’s the rub. Farmers might change their political affiliation for the 2020 election, but I have no doubt that they’ll change back once a Dem is elected. I think it’s in the soil, or something. But, that’s my cynicism again. I just want the TLB defeated! glenn an hour ago

Don’t know what tricks the GOP has in store for GA (I think Abrams won and had the election stolen from her) but maybe the paper ballots and FairFight can hold off enough of it to allow the Dems to fairly win there. AdLib an hour ago

Yes, I’m not betting on it but how can farmers keep supporting the guy whise policies are bankrupting them, for some phony promise of riches sometime in the future? Some are that stupid but others won’t be. AdLib an hour ago

Yeah, I think Abrams would make a great VP. Plus, she’s young enough that even if a Dem president serves two terms, she could run as president. That would blow the racists’ minds! A black woman! And, as VP, she could continue her work on wiping out voter suppression. I think it’s a win-win! glenn an hour ago

Just what I was thinking, being VP would set her up as a favored candidate in 2028…and Joe Biden can run again if he wants! AdLib an hour ago

And by then, TX will definitely be a purple/blue state and winning the presidency will strongly favor Dems! AdLib an hour ago

Yeah, considering this is a completely run repub state, there’s no telling what repubs will do. Especially considering they let/aided Brian Kemp in stealing the election from her. glenn an hour ago

LOL re Biden! glenn an hour ago

Kemp is so corrupt and evil. Poor GA, being oppressed by such criminals. AdLib an hour ago

When I think a majority voted against Kemp. AdLib an hour ago

Okay, Ad, now is the time to call it a night. Let’s just leave it at I have cautious optimism regarding 2020. Hopefully, Dems won’t snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory again. If Warren is our nominee, I have more hope. I really hope Biden is not, but I will vote for him if he is. glenn an hour ago

Anyway, always love chatting with you…keeps me sane and somewhat hopeful. See you next week, I hope. glenn an hour ago

Seconded! Have a great weekend, glenn! AdLib an hour ago

Same hear, always look forward to it! AdLib an hour ago

here! AdLib an hour ago

Night! AdLib an hour ago

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