Vox Populi, our weekly live chat about the week’s events begins tonight at 7:00pm PDT. Hope to see you then! AdLib a day ago

Don’t forget to say “Hi!” or “Peace!” When you arrive. AdLib 19 hours ago

I won’t be able to make it for Vox tonight but guest hosting will be the always wonderful Choicelady! Have a great Vox and I’ll see you next week! AdLib 17 hours ago

Hi everyone! Here for a rousing conversation even with AdLib gone. How are you? choicelady 16 hours ago

HEy, cl! Hi pinkpantheroz 16 hours ago

Hi PPO – how is life down under? choicelady 16 hours ago

Freezing! 4C today, snow on the hills and high winds so big windchill! pinkpantheroz 16 hours ago

YIKES! From fire to freezing throughout the year. You’re beginning to resemble the USA. Sorry about that! choicelady 16 hours ago

Shaking my head about the shootings. Atrocity in El Paso and all that swine can do is a photo op! pinkpantheroz 16 hours ago

He is beyond words despicable. choicelady 16 hours ago

How can someone be with survivors and give a ‘thumbs up’ sign? choicelady 16 hours ago

Well, will the banks giving the docs to Congress, can his impeachment be sooner rather than later? pinkpantheroz 16 hours ago

Oh, that’s easy, CL, Someone with no skerrick of morality. pinkpantheroz 16 hours ago

the banks HAVE given up the docs. Nadler (whom I met and talked to at length some years ago) says we are definitely into an ‘impeachment inquiry’ which is EXACTLY what we want, what is needed. choicelady 16 hours ago

PPO – skerrick! GREAT word to adopt. Thanks – is it Aussie? Or am I merely ignorant? choicelady 16 hours ago

MURPH!!!!! choicelady 16 hours ago

Hi choice! Nice to “see” you. MurphTheSurf3 16 hours ago

Maybe, just maybe, we will begin to see Pelosi’s strategy come to fruition ( whatever it is!) And maybe, just maybe, the debacle of the visit will disgust even the most ferl of his supporters. pinkpantheroz 16 hours ago

Murph – nice to “see” you, too! choicelady 16 hours ago

Irish word, tiny bit pinkpantheroz 16 hours ago

hey murph! pinkpantheroz 16 hours ago

PPO – Pelosi’s strategy is the Watergate process. Start an inquiry, impeach on evidence. Don’t telegraph the intent until you can slit his throat legally. choicelady 16 hours ago

PPO – Love it. choicelady 16 hours ago

Choice is sherrif today for Ad, Murph. He’s fighting the good fight elsewhere tonight pinkpantheroz 16 hours ago

PPO – I am hearing that even his slavering multitudes are scared as shit of the unfettered terrorists shooting up public venues. choicelady 16 hours ago

Murph – Ad asked me to step in. Glad as all get out I had NOTHING on my schedule to keep me away. choicelady 16 hours ago

In my days in the UK as a kid, we used to say “scanbit” i.e. scant bit…a tiny amount. MurphTheSurf3 16 hours ago

Love it, Murph. choicelady 16 hours ago

glenn!!! choicelady 16 hours ago

cl, If I were in any place and a guy walks past with a gun, I’d yell ‘GUN!!” and dive to the floor. See how soon open carry in Malls is curtailed if we all did that pinkpantheroz 16 hours ago

hey glenn! pinkpantheroz 16 hours ago

PPO – I’m with you. I see an ophtalmoligist regularly, and some bozo started with the “gun free zone” crap to those of us talking about the shootings. I smacked him down on ALL points though gently, and when I was called for the next round of tests, I got a huzzah from everyone else. There are such jerks in the world defending guns. choicelady 16 hours ago

CL! Temporary el jefe tonight, huh? Good to “see” you. glenn 16 hours ago

I must say I’m disappointed. I thought the NRA was on its last legs, especiallt with them wanting to buy a mansion for that dickhead in charge pinkpantheroz 16 hours ago

Hey PPO, Murph! glenn 16 hours ago

glenn – I am indeed jefe for the day. Not quite the old “Queen for a Day” but the next best thing. choicelady 16 hours ago

Need to share a story…there is a local farmer who also owns a nursery, and a “sod farm” along with crops in soy and corn…..he had his property slathered with Trump signs. I went by a couple of days ago and all the signs were gone. Learned that he had burned them when he learned that he would only be getting the tiniest bit of relief from the special allocated funds because he did not have enough land under cultivation for a single crop……in other words he was not agri business…..and, of course, if there comes a time when he cannot keep up his costs for his too small farm the big boys will be there to snatch it up. MurphTheSurf3 16 hours ago

Murph – I am not one to gloat when a Trump supporter gets it in the neck, but…what the HELL did he think would happen? choicelady 16 hours ago

Murph–you know, I wish I could feel sorry for your farmer…… glenn 16 hours ago

The plan from the start, Murph. HOw much is big agri contributing to Trump’s defence fund? bet its Yuuuge! pinkpantheroz 16 hours ago

glenn – I do feel sorry for him, but angry at the same time! choicelady 16 hours ago

CL–You are always a Queen in my book. Much better to be a Queen than a princess! glenn 16 hours ago

I wrote a long piece here at the Planet and got a couple of comments. Posted it at a Facebook blog and got a few more. I find people are less and less interested in a fact based, logic driven conversation. MurphTheSurf3 16 hours ago

PPO – I think you’re correct. He told a small farmer worried about losing his land, “Oh, you’d lose it anyway”. SERIOUSLY – he SAID that. choicelady 16 hours ago

glenn- LOL! I’m also NOT a diva! Thank you, dear friend. choicelady 16 hours ago

fact based, logic driven conversation isn’t as sexy to MSM as TheOccupants rants and fails. pinkpantheroz 16 hours ago

The farmer in question is from one of the old farming families in this area….sadly easily fooled it would appear. MurphTheSurf3 16 hours ago

Murph – you’ve nailed the greatest issue. Ignorance and emotion over fact and reason. choicelady 16 hours ago

PPO – Spot ON. choicelady 16 hours ago

I AM sorry he was gulled. Seriously. But anyone paying the most remote amount of attention could have predicted this would happen to him and his family farm. choicelady 16 hours ago

True, cl, and the problem is that the rank and file are unable or unwilling to grasp that tariffs are taxes on THEM, not the Chinese! pinkpantheroz 16 hours ago

PPO – I do think MOST people get it with rising prices. Those that don’t choose not to see. choicelady 16 hours ago

Murph–I’m not sure it’s that people are not interested in fact-based, logic-driven conversations than they are just not sure that fact-based, logic-driven conversations are just so futile nowadays. I am not demeaning in any way your fine post; it’s just how many ways can we say the same thing and not get anywhere? FWIW, I do agree with you. glenn 16 hours ago

How did Wall St close today? pinkpantheroz 16 hours ago

PPO – “modest declines” on top, of course of horrible declines.] choicelady 16 hours ago

Oh, they get it alright, CL, they see it, too. They just want to place the blame on anyone other than the TLB, because that would mean that they were suckered by him, and they can’t admit to that. glenn 16 hours ago

Let me give you another one…..there is a roofer here….son who got the business from his dad who got it from his datd. They have used temp workers with visas from Central America for many years to work in season up here. They are good people and have 2 houses where the workers live (rather comfortably) are paid well and are actually flown back home twice during the year for family holidays. The result….outstanding work and lots of business. Now…these folks are afraid to come here…and in a number of cases are finding it hard to get the visas. MurphTheSurf3 16 hours ago

here’s hoping that it will be the Trump House of Cards that falls before the Crash of ’19! pinkpantheroz 16 hours ago

All – I just googled my house. It’s now valued at over half a million. It’s old, it’s small, it’s Sacramento, and that’s insane. choicelady 16 hours ago

glenn – too ture! choicelady 16 hours ago

PPO – I’m seeing this as a death spiral, both #45 and our economy in a race to the bottom. choicelady 16 hours ago

Glenn…I get your point but even among those I tend to see as birds of a feather I find that there is just little interest or even perhaps capacity for intelligent interaction. MurphTheSurf3 16 hours ago

CL–During the last housing “boom”, during the Bush years, my 940 sq. ft. house in the Keys was worth almost a half a million too. Wasn’t still that way when I sold it, but it looked good then. glenn 16 hours ago

WOw, cl, sheer luxureh! I’ve just looked at mine and don’t believe it! 1.2Mill! only problem is anywhere else in Mel is 1.3 Mill! pinkpantheroz 16 hours ago

Murph – this started in the 70s when school boards consciously decided they didn’t want well informed people. They didn’t want kids who challenged the elite order of things. choicelady 16 hours ago

PPO – WOW! That;s horrible! choicelady 16 hours ago

anywhere equivalent that is. pinkpantheroz 16 hours ago

PPO – It’s pretty appalling when 1.2 million is the BAD figure. choicelady 16 hours ago

That’s the dilemma with housing. You may be asset rich but cash poor. Actually, cl it is a good value, but Shady Pines is expensive and such a ripoff here. pinkpantheroz 16 hours ago

In 2000 when I sold my house in Buffalo, NY and came to CA, I had a lovely 4 BR, 1 bath home w beamed ceilings, leaded glass windows, 2 fireplaces, large and lovely rooms – sold it for $68K. I could NOT believe the CA prices. choicelady 16 hours ago

Murph–I’m actually glad you got my point, because I re-read what I wrote, and I certainly didn’t state it very well. Anyway, it’s certainly discouraging. I think there are just sooo many people with “trump fatigue.” glenn 16 hours ago

I have friends in Kansas City and they are connected loosely to the move of the USDA researchers from DC to KC….an blatant effort to shrink the FDA and to crush its research arm…..and all of the farmers I know are applauding this…the same ones who used their work to beat monsanto in its efforts to destroy their water sources via chemical poisoning. MurphTheSurf3 16 hours ago

glenn- what a good term: Trump Fatigue. We ALL have it! choicelady 16 hours ago

Murph – WTF??? They use the USDA but want it to die????? choicelady 16 hours ago

Thanks glenn. MurphTheSurf3 16 hours ago

cl, the whole world has it…and now we are burdened with Trump2.0 in the UK, Boris the Bulgarian Johnson. pinkpantheroz 16 hours ago

Choice…they do not connect the dots…..they do not see how A follows from B. MurphTheSurf3 16 hours ago

PPO – I cannot believe Johnson. Just…can’t. choicelady 16 hours ago

PPO–bulgarian or vulgarian? glenn 16 hours ago

potato tomato pinkpantheroz 16 hours ago

glenn – there’s a difference? choicelady 16 hours ago

Murph–obviously they can’t connect the dots….they voted for the TLB, didn’t they? glenn 15 hours ago

PPO and CL–LOL! glenn 15 hours ago

Your point about school boards…..Choice…yes but that was possible as state after state dropped mandatory performance on rather rigorous civics qualifying exams given in 7th and 11 grade. Pass level was 80 percent and no graduation until you hit that mark. Only six states have them now. MurphTheSurf3 15 hours ago

Murph – I know. And frankly CA may not be one of them, but we suck as educators. The stupid. It’s everywhere. choicelady 15 hours ago

Murph–and replaced those tests with “no child left behind”. glenn 15 hours ago

BTW we also have a wannabe trump PM. the Conservative party here is actually called, of all things, The Liberal Party! They’re in power, and Scott Morrissey is the PM, who sucks up to TheOccupant and is changing the scene here. US bases up north to annoy China (Our biggest trade partner. pinkpantheroz 15 hours ago

Murph and CL–Speaking of school boards, how do you weigh in on appointed (by school boards) vs. elected superintendents? glenn 15 hours ago

PPO–I love how conservatives seem to use words in the exact opposite way they’re supposed to be used. So, what is your PM doing to the US bases? glenn 15 hours ago

glenn – I guess elected supers, but it make them so vulnerable to RW screed. Appointed often lets them PROMOTE RW screed. Not sure there’s a good answer. choicelady 15 hours ago

building them, g! or allowing them to practice here and use Aussie facilities. Also, Australia is selling armaments to the Middle East. funny, we don’r have a very big armaments industry here. pinkpantheroz 15 hours ago

CL–that’s my take also. The only good thing with elected is that school districts usually are not so gerrymandered as congressional districts. glenn 15 hours ago

Glenn…superintendents need to be education with vast admin experience and a knowledge of complex budgeting…..selection by criteria seems best but I have seen too many who were named because they were cronies of those who named them. MurphTheSurf3 15 hours ago

glenn and Murph – I’d make even Supers part of the Civil Service with high standards for the job, some immunity from slavering nut job attacks. choicelady 15 hours ago

Supers are state officials – do all states have a civil service? MurphTheSurf3 15 hours ago

PPO – what little I’ve seen about Aussie politics on this issue totally confuses me. Arms sales to the ME? YOU all???? choicelady 15 hours ago

PPO–I hope your PM doesn’t decide to start a “tariff” war with China. You may get a bigger armaments industry if they continue to sell to the ME. That’s where a lot of US armament makers make their money. glenn 15 hours ago

Murph – in CA Supers are COUNTY officials with no Civil Service requirements. choicelady 15 hours ago

CL…so how can they be civil service employees then MurphTheSurf3 15 hours ago

Murph – they aren’t. I think they SHOULD be. choicelady 15 hours ago

CL…that would require creating a lot of infrastructure….does it work on the state level. MurphTheSurf3 15 hours ago

Nowhere I’ve lived have the Supers of Schools been anything but appointees. Some are GREAT. Some suck. I don’t have an answer. choicelady 15 hours ago

No, ScoMo is treading a nervous line between sucking up to You-know-who and sucking up to China. I wonder is Australia a convenient middle man between the US and ME. Point to ponder pinkpantheroz 15 hours ago

Murph–I’ve also seen many who were selected by criteria quit with a golden parachute within six months of taking the job. They somehow managed to get out of their contacts with pay equal to the time for which they were contracted It happened a lot in FL. glenn 15 hours ago

Notice how quiet everyone is about the ME. Iran? Quiet, Syria? Shhh! pinkpantheroz 15 hours ago

I think like the feds that job requirements at the state level vary based on rank. Even the HIGHEST levels of admin have to pass tests and standards, and then the Governor comes along and appoints the heads of divisions and agencies without any of that. Sometimes they’re great. Sometimes (think Arnold) they stink. choicelady 15 hours ago

CL and Murph–I think it differs by state. In FL and GA, all school personnel are state employees. glenn 15 hours ago

PPO…trump is the center of a constellation of strongmen and wannabe strongmen…not surprised. MurphTheSurf3 15 hours ago

PPO–That is a fine line to traverse, for sure. glenn 15 hours ago

Murph – The Occupant looks like and increasingly acts like Benito. He should remember how that turned out… choicelady 15 hours ago

Glenn…..I know of that happening with super’s as well….as I suggested, cronies of those who hired them. MurphTheSurf3 15 hours ago

I’m just wondering when the next avalanche of distraction, diversion, distortion descends on us. pinkpantheroz 15 hours ago

PPO – tomorrow. choicelady 15 hours ago

Nothing specific in mind. Just…why NOT tomorrow? choicelady 15 hours ago


pinkpantheroz 15 hours ago

CL–A cross between Benito and Hitler, IMO. In fact, lately, more and more like the latter. glenn 15 hours ago

Shootings happen….next day….more tariffs on China….distraction! and then migrants arrested…distraction! MurphTheSurf3 15 hours ago

glenn – yes. He’s an admirer of fascism. Since the end of the USSR, Putin has yanked Russia far RIGHT. It’s pretty full blown fascist now. The Occupant LOVES THAT as do corporate capitalists. choicelady 15 hours ago

Murph–yeah, there is no clear cut answer, especially when dealing with people of differing opinions. It’s a shame; it’s all politics. glenn 15 hours ago

Opinion, please of you take on Twitter’s The Palmer Report. Reliable? pinkpantheroz 15 hours ago

One more story…folks I helped get ACA insurance….many of them…so many voted for Trump…now their ACA insurance is rising in cost very rapidly….drug costs are going through the roof….and procedures long covered are being called experimental and not part of available coverage. The fed has given the ok to insurers to play fast and lose with what is left of the ACA MurphTheSurf3 15 hours ago

Murph–yup. It’s the same old distractions over and over again. Meanwhile, MoscowMItch is stacking the courts with rwnjobs, and refusing to bring anything to a vote. MM gets off on these power plays. He actually has more power than the TLB, at this point. glenn 15 hours ago

PPO..I do not know of Palmer Report. MurphTheSurf3 15 hours ago

glenn, My BP doubles when that rat is mentioned. how come no one is able to curb his evil? pinkpantheroz 15 hours ago

Murph–plus LIndsey Graham has stated unequivocally that if republicans can take over Congress again, they will repeal the ACA in its entirety. Just flat out repeal; no replace. Not that repubs had any replacement plan in the first place, they’re just more blatant about repeal nowadays. glenn 15 hours ago

PPO…in all of this we see the limitations of government …..what is required is an informed and involved electorate…I wonder where we might fine one. MurphTheSurf3 15 hours ago

murph, Bill Palmer, @PalmerReport. pinkpantheroz 15 hours ago

Glenn….I saw the comment by Graham…he is confident his own base will not understand what this means for them. MurphTheSurf3 15 hours ago

PPO–All is know of the Palmer Report is that it’s liberal. I’ve read a few of his articles on his website, but haven’t been there in a while. What is he saying on Twitter? glenn 15 hours ago

Murph, don’t look Down Under, except maybe New Zealand! Our Dems (LaborParty) were a shoo-in lat election and managed to drag defeat from the jaws of victory. pinkpantheroz 15 hours ago

Murph – I thik suddenly people are realizing that legislation matters, street action is not enought, rants are pretty useless. I do think this is a transformational moment. I hope. choicelady 15 hours ago

PPO….I will take a look. MurphTheSurf3 15 hours ago

glenn, daily comments, they look fine, but I just would like a secnd opinion, seeing all the misdiration going around pinkpantheroz 15 hours ago

all – Plamer report is quite good. It’s very short daily, and it often hits on key issues succinctly. Worth a look. choicelady 15 hours ago

PPO–Just as no republican will go against the TLB, no one will go against MM. Republicans are mostly sheep, and apparently whatever the TLB and MM do, it’s okay with them. Tax cuts, my friend. glenn 15 hours ago

great, Thanks, cl! pinkpantheroz 15 hours ago

PPO….how did the Labor Party lose…what went wrong. MurphTheSurf3 15 hours ago

Murph– I know, it’s kinda like “Mexico will pay for the wall.” They believed that, and they believe that repeal of the ACA is good for them. glenn 15 hours ago

Like the Dems hubris in WI, didn’t put their message well in Queensland and those people up there are very strange! pinkpantheroz 15 hours ago

Choice…legislation does matter but hardly anyone understands how is supposed to be done which means they make poor choices at the voting both. MurphTheSurf3 15 hours ago

Booth! MurphTheSurf3 15 hours ago

Welcome Jake! pinkpantheroz 15 hours ago

PPO….comparison to Wi interesting. MurphTheSurf3 15 hours ago

Hi Jake… MurphTheSurf3 15 hours ago

Choice….meet Jake….a buddy of mine. MurphTheSurf3 15 hours ago

CL–I hope you are right; that this is a transformational moment, but I’m still very cynical. Repubs have been getting away with their shit for over 30 years now. Although the disarray in the NRA, and the media finally letting Dems speak is hopeful. I’m hopeful with a strong dash of cynicism. glenn 15 hours ago

Jake, jump in any time you feel like it. pinkpantheroz 15 hours ago

Damn, I thought I could just ease-drop. Well, hi guys. Jake321 15 hours ago

Glenn….I join you in your doubt. MurphTheSurf3 15 hours ago

The MSM, glenn, cannot avoid the Dem Blue Flood now rising. pinkpantheroz 15 hours ago

Jake! Hah! MurphTheSurf3 15 hours ago

No prob, jake. pinkpantheroz 15 hours ago

When I feel you guys need a littler Bah Humbug, I’m jump in… Jake321 15 hours ago

Murph – what bothers me most is the idiocy of the Left who know LESS than the Right about how gov’t works. But the middle seem pretty willing to learn, use the democratic process well. That gives me hope. And by “middle” I don’t mean Manchin types but Obama types. choicelady 15 hours ago

Jake–feel free to eavesdrop, but we are always interested in lively debate here at VOX. glenn 15 hours ago

Hi Jake!!! choicelady 15 hours ago

Have you all read the report about the FBI grab out west of bomb maker out to wreck mayhem in a synagogue and a gay bar. MurphTheSurf3 15 hours ago

glenn – sorry – that was YOUR comment, not Murph’s. choicelady 15 hours ago

Here’s a laugh from Twitter! “Chuck Todd shocked by ‘widespread agreement’ Trump is a white supremacist: ‘It’s pretty astonishing” pinkpantheroz 15 hours ago

Murph–I can always depend on you to back up my cynicism! Thanks! glenn 15 hours ago

Murph – NO! I am applying to be part of the CA task force on hate crimes and terrorism, so please let me know about this? choicelady 15 hours ago

CL…and that left is being presented by the right as the sum of all of those who oppose them and the fearless leader. MurphTheSurf3 15 hours ago

PPO – Chuck Todd would be surprise water is wet. choicelady 15 hours ago

Choice…you would be so fine in that work. MurphTheSurf3 15 hours ago

Trump isn’t a White Supremacist. He’s a Trump Supremacists…and then some… Jake321 15 hours ago

cl, yes, I read that yesterday as well. Keen eyed cops pinkpantheroz 15 hours ago

Murph – I think Dems can laugh off the scare tactics these days. choicelady 15 hours ago

PPO–Hope you’re right about the MSM, but they managed to make the Dems takeover of the House look like it was something minor. glenn 15 hours ago

Jake – good observation. Trump is all about Trump. Period. choicelady 15 hours ago

Choice…https://ktla.com/2019/08/09/las-vegas-security-guard-linked-to-white-supremacist-group-arrested-for-possession-of-bomb-parts/ MurphTheSurf3 15 hours ago

Murph – yes, I would. And several others applying are long time allies. choicelady 15 hours ago

Jake…interesting distinction. MurphTheSurf3 15 hours ago

Thanks, Murph! I’ll read it when we’re done. choicelady 15 hours ago

CL–Speaking of Dems laughing, did you see the “green shirt guy” video the other day? Priceless! glenn 15 hours ago

cl, you make a very good point. The Occupant has cried wolf so many times and so loudly that even his won are starting to look askance at him. His staff are panicking daily and even Fox is starting to retreat. pinkpantheroz 15 hours ago

Jake – where do you hang if you don’t mind saying? You’re not linked by the ‘system’ to any geographical site. choicelady 15 hours ago

Jake–Love it. A trump supremacist. Good one! glenn 15 hours ago

Maybe the one good thing about Trump is he is as freaked by his core base as we are so he hasn’t formed the needed Brownshirt private army he might need for a total take over. Jake321 15 hours ago

Green shirt Guy is trending!!!! Priceless! pinkpantheroz 15 hours ago

glenn – I’m in LOVE with Green Shirt Guy! I had that same experience at the eye doc – a doofus blowhard gun nut spouting the usual rhetoric, and he intruded on a conversation w his screen, so i knocked him down. When my name was called I got an ovation from the room. NOT from him! choicelady 15 hours ago

*screed choicelady 15 hours ago

CL–I hope you make it on to that committee. They would be so fortunate to have you! glenn 15 hours ago

Jake….I hope you are correct re. Trump’s fear re. his own base…or does he not understand what he is sowing? MurphTheSurf3 15 hours ago

glenn – thanks, dear friend, for the votes of confidence! choicelady 15 hours ago

Jake and Murph – I head on probably MSNBC that Trump is AFRAID of his base. Any thoughts on that observation? choicelady 15 hours ago

CL….I do not think he has the sense to be afraid OF them…he is afraid that they will abandon him I think and thus he works to appeal to them at ever opportunity. MurphTheSurf3 15 hours ago

Jake–what makes you think the TLB (the Treasonous Lying Bully–my name for the current occupant of the White House) is freaked by his base? glenn 15 hours ago

cl, could it be beginning to percolate past his weave that his words and actions actually have caused deaths, which might not look too good on his resumee? pinkpantheroz 15 hours ago

I think he knows but he knows he can’t control them if organized. Also he is a really big advocate organizer. Besides, he deep down knows he doesn’t have the Cojones for a Night of theLing Knives to put the lid on them. Jake321 15 hours ago

PPO -= I honestly think he doesn’t care. If he’s afraid of his base, I do think it’s around loss of support. choicelady 15 hours ago

Glenn…oh, I thought that TLB was That Lying Bastard but the fuller elucidation is better. MurphTheSurf3 15 hours ago

Jake – That seems consistent with his actions, and it;s a good insight. choicelady 15 hours ago

It should have been really bad organizer!!! Damn, iPhone AutoSpell!!! Jake321 15 hours ago

Murph–I think you’ve hit the nail on the head. The only thing the TLB is EVER “afraid” of is losing loyalty. So, he has to up his racism, misogyny and bullying to keep them loyal. glenn 15 hours ago

PPO…Trump is too arrogant, too self absorbed, too much into denial to question his base’s service to him. MurphTheSurf3 15 hours ago

Murph – perhaps, but every time he slightly veers toward sanity, his base set him ‘straight’ that it cannot happen. He capitulates EVERY TIME. choicelady 15 hours ago

Of course! The only thing he values, apart from himself, is loyalty. But that %age of voters won’t be enough. Hopefully pinkpantheroz 15 hours ago

Jake–correct. The TLB can’t even control his own thoughts; let alone a mob of rwnjobs. glenn 15 hours ago

PPO Agreed. choicelady 15 hours ago

He is upping all that since it is the only way he thinks he can win. He has to be so bad that the non-voting Trumpites will swarm from the rotten woodwork and vote. Jake321 15 hours ago

CL…what he fears is that he will lose them so he capitulates…I suppose that is a form of fear. MurphTheSurf3 15 hours ago

Murph–thanks. I used to just call him the lying bully. But after his antics with Putin in Stockholm, plus his statement that he would take help from any foreign country to win the election, I added the “treasonous” part. glenn 15 hours ago

Murph – that’s what I meant. He knows he MUST stay in office to avoid indictments, and giving in to the base is what he sees as his way to keep his office. He’s wrong, but that’s his focus. choicelady 15 hours ago

Well friends, the witching hour. I need to be off to my rest…..this has been fun and enlightening. Good job choice…see you all in the next round up. MurphTheSurf3 15 hours ago

Glenn….good call. MurphTheSurf3 15 hours ago

Murph, what pisses me off is that he gets away with stuff so much pinkpantheroz 15 hours ago

Good night, dear Murph – lovely to see you! A farmers’ life is never done… choicelady 15 hours ago

The only thing he values is more than loyalty. He craves adoration. He is quite the sicky Jake321 15 hours ago

Jake – I do agree about his sick need for adoratiion. choicelady 15 hours ago

CL….you nailed his motivation….stay in office and stay free. MurphTheSurf3 15 hours ago

‘night, Murph! pinkpantheroz 15 hours ago

CL–Exactly. Ann Coulter has already set him straight about background checks, as well as LaPierre. He’s got his marching orders now. glenn 15 hours ago

Murph – we need to change that, yes? I really DO want the perp walk for him. choicelady 15 hours ago

glenn – well if Ann and Wayne are nipping at his shorts, of COURSE he will cave! choicelady 15 hours ago

CL–You betcha! glenn 15 hours ago

My turn to call it a night. Great discussion tonight. Hope to see you again next week, Jake. CL, great job as “el jefe”. See you all next week, I hope. glenn 15 hours ago

Yep, he actually has a very fragile ego and craves approval Jake321 15 hours ago

Good night, glenn – sweet dreams and a great weekend! choicelady 15 hours ago

we need to keep nipping at his and Mitch’s heels pinkpantheroz 15 hours ago

Me too. See you guys. Jake321 15 hours ago

Godd night to you all. I’m away as well, great talk, Jake. Hope to see llots more pinkpantheroz 15 hours ago

PPO =- I understand the #MoscowMitch on Twitter is drinving Mitch insane. Now people have shown up at his house w those signs. Suddenly he broke his shoulder. Hmmmm. choicelady 15 hours ago

Good night PPO – lovely to see you! choicelady 15 hours ago

Hi Jake – You want to hang in or come back next week? choicelady 15 hours ago

OK I think we just wrapped up another spirited and informative life chat for the week. Hope you all can join us next Friday at 7:00pm Pacific Daylight Time. We welcome everyone. Be not shy. Good night to all until next Friday! choicelady 15 hours ago

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