Live Events – Election Day – 11-4-2014

I will for a moment then come back. KY. Seriously? Grimes is typical in losing for repudiating basic, core Dem values including the president. My only hope is that McTurtle will STILL not be in charge of the Senate.

choicelady

Hey Adlib. Thought I’d checkk in. So Grimes lost big time. I said on Twitter that I didn’t have to hold my fire anymore. She denied President Obama 4 times. She said nothing when Mitch said KYNect was just a website. She pandered to the racist. She thought the Clintons were her answer from gawd. She lost. IMO, she didn’t deserve to win. Yeah, I would rather have her than Mitch. But I don’t like a coward who panders to racist.

sabreen60

Hi all! I just turned on MSNBC and im depressed already.

kalie

AdLib, that’s true. However, President Obama still has 2 years left in office. I’m more concerned with what will happen in those 2 years than I am in 2016 right now.

sabreen60

It seems like Grimes wanted to have it both ways. Guess that didn’t work.

kalie

Hi kalie. I haven’t watched TV all day. And I won’t watch tonight. MSNBC has been on a “doom and gloom” quest for Dems for weeks. I simply couldn’t take it.

sabreen60

Check this out. A friend of mine was voting in Illinois today, and Bruce Rauner

kalie

the Illinois GOP gov candidate is sending college kids into the polling places with Rauner Tshirts on asking to vote. Unfortunately they werent registered there.

kalie

AdLib, I was hoping for different. I’ve watched Republicans attempt to destroy the country in order to destroy President Obama. I was hoping things would get a little better.

sabreen60

Rauners campaign hit the frat houses at my son’s college too, probably paying the frat kids to gotv.

kalie

Hi folks

greenchica

I should have poll watched cuz i know that. But i wouldnt have stayed all day anyway.

kalie

Did you read about the mischief in Chicago…robocalls telling election workers they can’t report to the polls until they take a class

greenchica

Hi chica!

sabreen60

Hi Ad & Sabreen!

greenchica

Ad lib, ive seen gopers around here strong arm old ladies to get into polling places after closing time. They have no limits.

kalie

I will try to find out more about if they got kicked out. Someone their looked on the voter lists and saw they werent on there. They must have their names.

kalie

Ad lib i was thinking the same about voter suppression. I say give any suppressors five years in jail and lets see how fast they do that again.

kalie

greenchica

Chica, And we’re different from 3rd world countries, how? We need the damn UN in here.

sabreen60

So 100 million was spent against Kay Hagan? Imagine if that money was spent for something useful.

kalie

I have to take off for awhile but I’ll be checking later!

greenchica

Sabreen i agree. We need someone to come in and help our government because its so corrupt.

kalie

They are saying Shaheen is beating Scott Brown thankfully.

kalie

Bye for now Chica.

sabreen60

and Dick Durbin, D, Ill has won they say

kalie

I figured Durbin would hold his seat. Hope it’s true.

sabreen60

Hello my American friends!

beatlex

Leader Mc..Mc..Mcon…I cant say it!! I knew as soon as Allison Grimes refused to say she voted for the President,all would be lost.The Dems had a good shot at this one,but took the cowards way out Instead of talking up the REAL accomplishments of them and the President.They disowned him.Disgusting! -Your friendly Canadian Realmer

beatlex

Hiya beatlex!

sabreen60

I figured Durbin would hold out, im worried about gov Pat Quinn. Most of the teachers who are union are not happy with Quinn.

kalie

Hey Beatlex

kalie

beatlex, That’s exactly what I thought all along. And her refusal to admit that KYnect is actually ACA (Obamacare). As far as I’m concerned she’s a coward who pandered to the racists and thought the Clintons would save her.

sabreen60

Sabreen she seemed a bit wishy washy and uncommitted to the Dems.

kalie

kalie, IMO more than wishy washy. I think she need Dems to be enthusiastic about her. She chose to play up all the things she’s against that Dems are for. Stupid stratgey.

sabreen60

Hey Adlib!

beatlex

Adlib, at my voting place you have to stay 100 feet away from the door to the polling place with your campaign materials

kalie

On a positive note, just checked Twitter & Wolf has won Gov of PA.

sabreen60

Wow way too much red on my tv

kalie

LOL Kalie!

beatlex

Chris Rock just tweeted: Mitch McConnell is the richest senator in the US senate. Kentucky is the poorest state in America. They have voted for him 30 years in a row

sabreen60

Hi nirek!

sabreen60

Sabreen thats funny and true. When will they help themselves?

kalie

Sabreen is Wolf of Pa Ind or Dem?

kalie

I think they vote on cultural issues and must not care they are uneducated and poor.

sabreen60

kalie, Yes Wolf is the Dem.

sabreen60

Gop govs means more privatization, less money for schools and we are dying here in Illinois. Even our state colleges are 600% more expensive than 20 years ago.

kalie

I’ll call it in Vermont for you, a Dem win for gov

nirek

Nice Nirek!! Woo hoo for you!

kalie

Third term for Peter Shumlin

nirek

and did they ever finish that Bridge over the Ohio?? river in Ky?

kalie

Looks like the NH Senate race will go our way, some sane folks vote there.

nirek

Brown is just a carpetbagger

nirek

yep saw that in NH its amazing that Brown was not able to purchase that

kalie

He has a camp there , kinda like a mansion .

nirek

nirek – And a centerfold

sabreen60

plastic

nirek

Peter Welch wins also in Vermont

nirek

New Hampshire too close to call?

kalie

Now they are saying Durbin not beating Oberweis….widely varying results depending on channel spin.

kalie

If Kasich won, that doesn’t bode well for Nina Turner.

sabreen60

Not on Chicago tv Adlib. Its funny, depending on which counties get their results in first, you don’t really know how it will go.

kalie

Returns are just starting to come in in Illinois, its 738pm.

kalie

So in Chgo, they are projecting Durbin the winner, with 1% of the vote in.

kalie

I don’t know how they campaign in KY, but Grimes to me, seemed more like Country Club mom than a door knocker with boots on the ground.

kalie

Apathy is the biggest problem with voters not voting

nirek

Lack of interest and education

nirek

Didn’t DCCC pull money from Grimes? I think I read that.

sabreen60

I have seen locals lose elections by j100-200 votes. Not voting, is Not an option.

kalie

DCCC is very judicious when giving. No so, when asking for money.

kalie

That’s right AdLib. I remember now.

sabreen60

Pryor from where?

sabreen60

Ad lib i like your optimism tonight!

kalie

Reporting that Shaheen has won.

sabreen60

Hi jjf – if I may shorten your name?

sabreen60

Ad lib would love to see a D win for Fla.

kalie

Hey, How’s it going?

jumpingjackflash

I always liked Charlie Crist.

kalie

Hi everyone. Y’all on the Landrieu, Pryor victory train???? Am I right? Anyone?

funksands

Poster boy Scott Brown-LOSER

beatlex

Good strategy to campaign against the still-most-popular nationally elected official in the nation. Money well spent on advisors.

funksands

Just need to win two close races. GOP can’t sweep these races or there’s going to be serious trouble.

funksands

Any of them. We have to win 2 of the following: IA, AK, AR, LA (assuming NC goes to Hagan) If Hagan loses, the drinking starts real early

funksands

KS is meaningless at this point unless Dems win 3 of those 4

funksands

Brownback losing!

funksands

Hey Funk and Murph. Just got back from Twitter.

sabreen60

Ad Lib what is best resource for results?

kalie

Hi- just back from a day of GOTV- titlting at Windmills but important to do.

murphthesurf3

Shumlin losing in VT is the real surprise. Still early, but wow

funksands

I am pleased that Brown lost….

murphthesurf3

I feel like this past week, the GOP threw a wet blanket over the TV, Radio, media-all.

kalie

Funk, Someone tweeted that Southern strategy lite is not a winning strategy. All the Dems that ran away from President Obama are losing or have lost.

sabreen60

CT Senate seat up in 2016 Mr. Brown

funksands

Republicans pick a Republican over a Democrat that acts like Republican 100% of the time Sabreen

funksands

Minimum wage laws winning everywhere. Good to see that

funksands

Dont encourage Brown. He should go back to school, get his degree, and go teach in the inner city somewhere.

kalie

where?

kalie

Funk, It seems that these bluedog Dems just don’t understand. If you’re a Dem then stand up for those principles. Why Grimes thought the Clintons would save her is beyond me.

sabreen60

Texas to implement mandatory conceal-carry

funksands

AdLib, Texas? Really? WOW!

sabreen60

Sabreen, I get why they do it, but you’d think they’d learn. Franken and Hagan figured it out, why are the other advisors unable to emulate?

funksands

Ad, that’s what happens when you run scared. GOP found that out in 2006 when they ran headlong away from W

funksands

Democrat Tom Wolf defeated incumbent Tom Corbett (R) in the 2014 Pennsylvania governor race.

murphthesurf3

Murph, good work this year. You fought the fight that needed fighting.

funksands

Funk- in Mo. in off years all fights in my neck of the woods are symbolic.

murphthesurf3

Illinois had a referendum against voter suppression, and another to tax millionaires to fund schools.

kalie

Orman isn’t going to win. Wichita (biggest dem area in KS) only going for Orman by 1%

funksands

I want to have empathy for people in KY, TX, AR – but they keep doing it to themselves. The southern states are the poorest.

sabreen60

Kasich and Corbett are the same guy, Kasich simply better at shutting his mouth and spin control

funksands

Funk….money poured into the Orman race marking him as a Trojan Horse for OBAMA…the demon in the WH.

murphthesurf3

Kentucky could thrive with progressive leadership.

kalie

BRB

sabreen60

Oh yeah Murph

funksands

Nunn is going to lose

funksands

No surprises yet

funksands

…the demon in the White House…..

kalie

Landrieu doing better than I thought, but she won’t get 50%

funksands

funk, what are you see on Nunn

murphthesurf3

She’s only winning Atlanta by 8% and is behind by 25% so far

funksands

funk…ah….if African American were to really and truly mobilize, they could be a midterm force but as a group they do not get it.

murphthesurf3

Pryor goes down

funksands

GOP Senate…..I think

murphthesurf3

Murph, I may be wrong, but I think AA’s are the ONLY ones mobilizing this year

funksands

Funk- they are, but not in the numbers that they could have and in GA that would be important.

murphthesurf3

Murph, my thought was 51-46 and 3 indy’s at the beginning of the night. Dems HAVE to keep it close though to keep pressure off of mods and cons in the Dem Senate re: votes

funksands

True

funksands

Funk – was one of your Indy’s Orman

murphthesurf3

Yes. I counted him caucusing with the GOP regardless

funksands

Detroit voting for Snyder (sigh)

funksands

Ad Lib- Funk’s guess re. KC is mine as well..Orman needed big numbers.

murphthesurf3

Durbin killing Oberweis with 56% of vote in

kalie

Funk- Guess who is and who is not voting in Detroit.

murphthesurf3

Kalie- Durbin has run a high class campaign.

murphthesurf3

Murph, its pretty clear

funksands

It was nice to see them show up at the townships this year!

kalie

Runoff in LA, means Landrieu loses

funksands

GOP with a minimum of 52 seats right now

funksands

Rep. Renee Elmers (R-N.C.) defeated Democrat and former “American Idol” star Clay Aiken in the state’s 2nd District Tuesday. Shocker.

murphthesurf3

Hagan now behind. Uh oh

funksands

Muph, Clay Aiken couldn’t run away from President Obama fast enough.

sabreen60

Even tho Clay ran from Obama, dont like Elmers at all.

kalie

You literally have to be a serial killer to lose your GOP base

funksands

funk….or WORSE, a socialist.

murphthesurf3

*rimshot*

funksands

Dems feel like they have to run a mistake-free campaign. GOP feels like they need money and no one else will really care about anything else. Makes it tough to run a campaign

funksands

funk i thought same. If a Goper is shown of TV doing whatever to his girlfriend. Its okay cuz he is a Christian and will be forgiven.

kalie

Kalie/Ad I both loathe and admire that about Republicans. They know this is a battle to the death and they act/vote like it.

funksands

yeah funk they have a lot of clever on their side. And that battle to the death, reminds me of a scene from Django…..

kalie

Ah! Good reference!

funksands

brb

funksands

Ad, we’ll have to disagree then. Dem (for the most part) treat elections like a boxing match with rules. Republicans come armed.

funksands

Agree Adlib….but how do we fight/change that? They don’t play by the rules and if they don’t like the rules they change them.

kalie

Gillespe keeping waaaaay closer than it should be in Virginia. Fairfax Co will break the GOP’s heart again though.

funksands

Ad, I think there is wide middle ground between how the GOP campaigns and how the Dem mostly campaign. Dems just won’t occupy it. You can run an ethical, issues-based, bold, bare-knuckled campaign if you are brave enough to do it.

funksands

The reptilian brain is that what we are up against?

kalie

Bad sign for Udall in CO. He’s losing Denver, while Hickenlooper is winning it. Difference is 10%

funksands

The GOP has a media who willingly parrots all their talking points. We have Debbie Wasserman-Schultz. I’m sorry but I think she is pretty much a waste of space. She has never been able to hold her own against any Republican on any TV show that I’ve seen. And exactly what has she done? If fact, why can’t the Democrats figure out how to at least make appearances on TV shows?

sabreen60

I like Debbie a lot. I don’t know how effective she is or isn’t to be honest

funksands

If I’m not mistaken there is going to be a long recount in Virginia. Did not expect that. Not good.

funksands

Funk I agree. I said on Twitter that the Democrats need to grow a pair. I got so tired of hearing wimpy talk from them on TV.

sabreen60

This may not be a WAVE but it is more than a ripple I fear

murphthesurf3

I like Wasserman and for awhile she was visible, but not in the last 4 months. Its clear we need more Dems on TV delivering our talking points. Every morning, all the Dems need to have a conference call where the parrot the daily talking points, like the GOP does. And then talk about it all day on TV.

kalie

Still stuck on 52. That’s still within the safe zone Murph

funksands

Funk, I don’t dislike her. I’m not talking about her personality. I’m talking about her leadership qualities. She just wasn’t bold or assertive.

sabreen60

Ad….the chances of those reform happening are small, and I think, getting smaller.

murphthesurf3

Regressing is no way to live. Its not what i want for my kids.

kalie

2020 Murph. I hate to say it, but that could be quite possibly the most important election of our lifetime.

funksands

I read some country (forget which) had a 89% of voters to turn out. We do good if we get 60% during a presidential elecction.

sabreen60

Ad, what’s funny is that Clinton (when he nothing left to lose) provided the template in ’98. Once he let go and started speaking and campaigning boldly, they actually picked UP seats in the midterms.

funksands

Virginia is really spooking me

funksands

Hagan looking good. I really really admire the tightrope she walked this year

funksands

Ad, the silver lining of these failures is that eventually they’ll add up to new conventional wisdom. Don’t know when that will be though

funksands

Crist is cooked.

funksands

If any Sec of State had voters that didn’t get to vote, they should be fined or fired. Reducing number of voting days/hours is not a game.

kalie

Funk, hope you’re right. But some of us are getting a little long in the tooth as they say.

sabreen60

Sabreen, there’s always jihad

funksands

😉

funksands

You know it.

funksands

Oh Funk

sabreen60

Is it 712 there Adlib?

kalie

And yes i think families should vote and boat together good call.

kalie

Scott Walker 2016 here we come.

funksands

Is Walker winning? He is still trying to finish his undergrad degree and has emo issues.

kalie

Oh yeah, he’s winning alright. He’s a puzzle why he so popular among moderates in Wisconsin

funksands

Truly a puzzle. Must be the money.

kalie

Doesn’t hurt

funksands

brb

funksands

Ads are money….We got slammed with Rauner ads and are not used to that in Chgo area. For the first time in my life i was turning channels to avoid ads. Not good.

kalie

Adlib, YA think???

greenchica

Elections can be bought in lots of ways and we are seeing lots of them tonight.

murphthesurf3

Adlib many newspapers lean right too. Even the patch seems to be a bit righty.

kalie

Republicans don’t care what you think of them as long as they get to eat you. Sharks the same way. Call a shark whatever name you want as long as you become dinner

funksands

Louisiana Senate Race Heads to Runoff Louisiana is headed for a runoff election, as neither Senator Mary L. Landrieu, the Democratic incumbent, nor Republican Representative Bill Cassidy captured 50 percent of the vote, according to The Associated Press.

murphthesurf3

So Funk, should we all be sharks so we don’t starve?

kalie

No. https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQjW-KVABUOElzpTyCQ5ysdEki-g7v8QIdSCkvV2QDAe7JW3tixTQ

funksands

Oops. Well the drama is gone.

funksands

Funk, I agree. When people complain about Republicans my response is ‘they don’t care’. They really don’t. It doesn’t matter what you think of them. They are going to do what they are going to do. Does anyone think they care if kids go to bed hungry because they cut food stamps. Or that seniors won’t be able to buy meds or food. They don’t care.

sabreen60

Murph, that means she loses. That’s a GOP seat

funksands

Funk….yep

murphthesurf3

Conservatives: “If it doesn’t happen to me, I don’t care” Liberals: “If it happens to anyone I care” (I’d like to think that at least)

funksands

Boy Udall is a good dude. What a loss to the United States

funksands

funk, no kidding. Cory Gardner pretends he’s not but he’s extremist. Birther, anti-birth control, anti medicare, climate change denier. Way out there.

greenchica

ECat he ran a great campaign. A shifty dishonest campaign, but a great campaign

funksands

Scott Brown back ahead

funksands

funk, I moved away so I didn’t see it. I just remember last time he ran…some major gaffs.

greenchica

You in Port Angeles?

funksands

yep

greenchica

Hi SLM. I’m getting info from twitter. Glad you’re here.

sabreen60

Love it out there. The peninsula is great country

funksands

how bad is it?

sillylittleme

Oh kes! Hey didn’t see you either.

sabreen60

Me too, funk. It rains here!!!!! (unlike Colorado)

greenchica

Well, I am going to bed. I leave idiot voters to the idiots they have chosen. As PT Barnum noted: There is a sucker born every minute.

murphthesurf3

SLM, it pretty much stinks, as predicted.

greenchica

Not terrible…yet. But bad enough

funksands

Hi kids, just home after a 14+ hour day working at the polls (grabbed a meal — finally — and turned on the TV) . I think we’re all just about to get the government we deserve.

kesmarn

kes – we don’t deserve this shit!!!

sillylittleme

Seeing Scott Brown edge ahead and Virginia going to a potential run-off would really blow this thing up

funksands

kes, I’m just telling myself that in two years it will be undone. I hope!

greenchica

Kes, I pretty said the same thing.

murphthesurf3

Walker won in Wi.

murphthesurf3

SLM, we sure don’t, but we’re getting it regardless….

kesmarn

how the hell is brown winning? walker? what’s going on in fl

sillylittleme

Murph, I hear you. I’m super tired, but I think that’s not the only reason I’m bummed out.

kesmarn

They called it for Shaheen a long time ago, but now he’s ahead again. New Hampshire is really hard to parse out to see if there are any blue strongholds still to report

funksands

Kasich got re-elected in Ohio too. I guess people really like being abused,

kesmarn

Scott is going hold Fl.

murphthesurf3

We are a hairs-breadth from some serious problems. What sucks is we may not know the final damage until January

funksands

This is pathetic, Scott Walker won? I give up on Wisconsin.

kalie

I’m flummoxed. I just don’t get it.

kesmarn

2010 Part II

murphthesurf3

It’s just hard for me to believe. It was hard for me to believe in 2010. I want to believe that they cheated every way the could. I want to believe that rather than believe Americans voted these lunatics into office.

sabreen60

any chance there are problems with diebold machines?

sillylittleme

The Kochs bought Ohio for Kasich.

kesmarn

Perdue has GA

murphthesurf3

Kaili/Kes Walker inspires fanatical devotion from conservatives in WI. Not sure why he’s so popular with moderates but he gets out the knuckle-dragger vote

funksands

Sabreen i have seen them cheat so its not much of a stretch….They will lie, steal, and cheat, to win.

kalie

kes, And they re-elected the voter suppression Secretary of State in Ohio.

sabreen60

Funk i get that. But what bugs me is everyone i have met from Wisconsin had an awesome education. Not the Walker followers.

kalie

funk, I guess it the same as the story with Kasich and his cronies — some folks just want to hear that there are a whole bunch of people out there who want to come into their homes and lives and take away all their stuff. “And I’ll protect you from them.”

kesmarn

Kes, Kaisch, Walker, Snyder are the same guy as Tom Corbett. They just aren’t stupid as a rock. That’s what get you tossed apparently

funksands

well the ma governor’s race is 100 votes for Coakley

sillylittleme

All we need are lots of guns and homeschool your kids and teach them how to be a shark/snark.

kalie

Hawaii could very well have a Republican Governor by tomorrow

funksands

SLM, I asked that question and CL said they don’t use Diebold in CA. I don’t know about other states. However, reports were coming from people who said they voted for one person and the machine gave the vote to someone else.

sabreen60

Sabreen — yes! They re-voted in the voter suppression guy. The do-nothing treasurer. Every slime ball, fraud and creep who’s been so awful. All re-elected.

kesmarn

The voting problems are going to be huge this time. Just wait….

kalie

kes, I have no words.

sabreen60

ad – as if

sillylittleme

I wonder if the GOPers will shut down the government again and refuse to raise the debt ceiling.

greenchica

NC getting worrying

funksands

The five guys on the Supreme Court got what they wanted.

sabreen60

chica – hope they do and then the idiots that voted for them can go eat shit

sillylittleme

AdLib, you’re right. They presented a brilliant and positive plan, and everyone voted for it. I think I missed what the plan actually was, though….

kesmarn

kes – it

sillylittleme

kes – its a blank sheet of paper

sillylittleme

Dems (IMO) HAVE to have 45 seats by the time the dust clears. You can’t rely on 3 conservadems to hold their ground against their own constituents wishes

funksands

44 rather. Sorry

funksands

With a big dollar sign for the Koch brothers on it, SLM.

kesmarn

did the turtle really win?

sillylittleme

Prepping my resume and passport

funksands

THIS IS FROM ONE OF MY FAVORITE POSTERS AT DAILY KOS… Dear America – You Have No Idea What You Did….. I promise you this, though – you’ll find out soon enough. There will be three distinct classes of people defined over the next two years: The “haves” The “drones” The “useless eaters” That’s your class distinction between now and 2016. The “drones” will vote for the “haves”, because they have no choice unless they want to become “useless eaters”. Forget Latino, women, working class, urban poor, whatever color of the rainbow you care to invoke, or immigration status. Haves. Drones (who serve the “Haves”). Useless eaters. Before you flame me, tell me how that doesn’t happen? Tell me how Ann Romney doesn’t become the next first lady? I’m asking for realism. We progressives got our reality tonight, and we’re the outliers. I got the message, loud and clear. I heard to it. And I’ll act accordingly. From today forward, I am on my own, and responsible only for me and my loved ones. I. Have. No. Choice.

murphthesurf3

Don’t leave us, funk!

kesmarn

Hi all – I have NO idea what has happened. I can’t watch. Did the creeps win the Senate? I heard LA is in a runoff.

choicelady

I’m right there with you Funk. My passport is good to go.

sabreen60

Hi choice, it looks pretty stinky.

greenchica

Oh CL. You don’t want to know

sabreen60

Kes, first option is becoming employed again. Option 2 is Australia or Canada. That’s what the midterms means to me

funksands

AdLib, them’s their priorities. Yep. I can hardly wait to live it out!

kesmarn

funk — Canada has gone all right wing too though.

greenchica

Harper is Mr. Oil Sands.

greenchica

Jesus do we need Iowa to surprise us. Go Braley!!!

funksands

grenchica – Canada being RW means it’s like Indiana.

choicelady

choice .. haha how true that is. At least they’ve got health care.

greenchica

Sorry – greenchica…

choicelady

CL! I just put in 14+ hours at the polls and I’m wondering if all I succeeding in doing in aiding and abetting lunacy. (Forgive the cynicism. VERY tired.)

kesmarn

Ad, absolutely. I’m really talking about the feeling I have that the smaller the minority gets the more pressure there is to “triangulate”

funksands

greenchica – WE have health care, and it’s doing amazing things and is almost identical to that of the Netherlands, Germany, etc. Now it will be interesting to see what happens to it.

choicelady

Kes, you did an amazing job. Well done!!! That fight needs to be fought regardless of the outcome

funksands

choice, I’m hoping for an evolution in to single payer.

greenchica

Get rid of the health care profits.

greenchica

I’ve spent over $200,000 on uninsured health care costs (that’s with good health insurance) over the last 7 years. Australia is looking better all the time

funksands

It felt a little like Wounded Knee though, funk.

kesmarn

funk – I thought you HAD health care!

choicelady

funk that’s a LOT

greenchica

Kes, no doubt. The difference is you are alive.

funksands

Choice, I do!

funksands

funk – Whew – I am SO glad.

choicelady

Haha! I needed a reminder of that, funk. Truly.

kesmarn

Its STILL $200k out of pocket. The insurance company picked up $700K-ish

funksands

greenchica – well, that WAS where we were going…before.

choicelady

choice, I think we’ll still get there. I don’t know when but we will.

greenchica

I wonder what Pres Obama and VP Biden are thinking right about now?

sabreen60

AdLib – no – the progressive caucus neither increased nor shrank, and it remains a palty 12 percent of Congress.

choicelady

Sure is ECat. My son is totally uninsurable in any system other than a socialist one or under the ACA

funksands

adlib, Udall was a blue dog.

greenchica

funk, so was I. I couldn’t get inurance for years because of back problems….nothing even very serious.

greenchica

Blue dogs seem always to lose, so you’d THINK it would be a message NOT to be a wimp!

choicelady

ECat, I don’t consider him that at all. I really liked him. He was a western den with a few frustrating tendencies, but a truly great man

funksands

AdLib – yeah – fix it but GOOD.

choicelady

Ad, my wife is freaking out a bit right now.

funksands

CL, Grimes may have discovered that distancing oneself from the Prez is not necessarily a winning strategy.

kesmarn

funk – so am I frankly

sillylittleme

funk – I always liked the other Udalls but didn’t know anything about him.

choicelady

funk, I liked him too but he was on some list or other of people signing themseles up as blue dogs

greenchica

Ah

funksands

Michael Bennet was on that list too

greenchica

CL, That’s what everyone is saying on Twitter. They all ran away from Pres Obama and they all lost. Someone said maybe they’ll realize that Southern Strategy lite won’t work.

sabreen60

greenchica – across the country those who ran FROM the president and pretended to be more ‘thoughtful’ have lost. Don’t know about the creepy Ami Bera here. I hope he survived.

choicelady

Sbreen – LOVE that – Southern Strategy Lite. That is exactly what they tried to do.

choicelady

Udall was a balanced-budget amendment guy (which drove me crazy) but he was a solid solid dem

funksands

funk – then I’m sorry this generation of Udalls did not make it.

choicelady

Choice, I don’t get this whole meme of toxic Obama. The economy has improved drastically…it’s just a media meme that everyone should blame Obama. It was invented by the media

greenchica

funk, Udall also voted against the bailout, which I thought was reckless.

greenchica

Choice, the Udall in NM made it. He’s fine, but not quite the guy the other Udall was

funksands

So i read that i cant work in England unless i transfer there. Anyone have more info than me?

kalie

greenchica – the fault lies in the media that never once reported the news of the recovery. The president did talk about it – and got muzzled, and the other Dems wimped.

choicelady

Ecat, sure

funksands

funk – OH GOOD for the NM Udall!

choicelady

Chica, I think that’s why they lost. Instead of pounding their chest about the good they cowardered in the corner.

sabreen60

Agreed that Dems are too rational and not enough chest pounding (which I why I like them!!) I love Obama’s reasoned arguments but this country needs explosions and car chases.

greenchica

Sabreen – it doesn’t help that the EmoProgs repeated the RW lies.

choicelady

I like how the Tavis/Cornell wing of the party called for a black boycott of the election. *Sigh*

funksands

green i like the explosions and car chases!! We need to be heard.

kalie

greenchica – I fear you’re right. That is exactly what a very smart woman told me: she’s disappointed in Obama because he doesn’t speak strongly enough for her. Well he does when he’s OUT of the White House, but he’s been ‘presidential’ inside. I LOVE that, but I seem to be a minority opinion.

choicelady

I was busy and just looked at the election results. At least there’s 1 person here who’s happy…

jumpingjackflash

Choice we all feel that way, that Obama didn’t cheerlead enough for the Dems and what we want.

kalie

JJF – who is happy? How did what’s her name do in MA? Shaheen won over Brown – that’s cool.

choicelady

Chica, When I said chest pounding I didn’t mean obnoxious. They didn’t stand up for their record. They were not bold. As the saying goes, this is not beanbag. I love that PBO is “no drama Obama”, but that doesn’t have anything to do with Democrats being wimps about all that he and they have accomplished.

sabreen60

Jack someone should be! Bet you wish you could drive across the border and hit a victory party!

funksands

JJF – Maddow said Brown now has lost in two states to two women. He might as well go back to being a centerfold.

choicelady

Well, at least Marcy Kaptur was re-elected. But then, she never turned her back on the Prez.

kesmarn

cl – gov in MA too close to call, she’s ahead by 100 votes

sillylittleme

At this point Brown can go to hades for all i care.

kalie

SLM – 100 votes????? She is a lousy campaigner, but I’d hope for better and a win for her.

choicelady

I’m surprised she did that well. World’s worst campaigner unfortunately

funksands

kalie – hades would be better. I, for one, have no desire to see him naked.

choicelady

CL, Which is why I stopped watching MSNBC. The media is as much to blame as wimpy Dems, IMO.

sabreen60

cl – she stinks in person…

sillylittleme

Sabreen – I think they are totally responsible. Lies, lies, lies.

choicelady

Hey Funk, you should read the rules for this site. Those sound like “fighting words” to me.

jumpingjackflash

SLM – then WHY did the Dems pick her AGAIN?

choicelady

choice, thats what im saying. A guy like him belongs in GQ, not making laws in our govt. Teehee

kalie

cl – because we stink in MA too

sillylittleme

Fitzgerald lost Illinois. Big surprise

funksands

BTW – I voted against Kamala Harris who is a traitor to issues. My protest vote against her for her perfidy. I was NOT alone since we all knew she would win.

choicelady

I’ve got a good friend in Illinois who is going to be pissed in the morning.

funksands

funk – you mean your IL friend isn’t getting pissed as we speak?

choicelady

Well, kids, the local results are coming on to the 11 p.m. news here now, so I’ll sign off for now. Stay strong, dear friends. Let’s hope for better days ahead.

kesmarn

Looks like in Colorado the dems focused on this “war on women” theme, which backfired.

greenchica

kes – glad about Marcy. REALLY glad about her!

choicelady

Choice, it’s kind of nice to be in a ultra-safe blue zone I am in, but I miss mixing it up. My district got re-districted from purple to cobalt blue after 2010

funksands

Choice, he’s probably passed out by now, just remains to be seen how much property damage he caused before he did.

funksands

good night kes

greenchica

funk – mine is sky blue but still pretty safe though I am watching whether we caved to our hideous mayor.

choicelady

Night Kes! Great job!!!!!!

funksands

Funk you are lucky. Its tough being a blue in a Chgo collar county.

kalie

funk!

choicelady

CL, I agree with you. Too many Dems want a daddy instead of a President. Either he’s doing too much or he’s not doing enough. The Dems who wanted him to stump with them did better than those who ran away. Some Dems need to grow up. The President shouldn’t have to take them by the hand and tell them every little thing to do, IMO.

sabreen60

nite kes

sillylittleme

Good night kes!

choicelady

Sabreen – this OUGHT to be a warning to Dems, but it won’t be. They do this ALL the TIME!

choicelady

Kalie, I know it. Legal pot, gay marriage, Dem Gov., 2 Dem Senators, blind Iranian State Sen, solid Adam Smith as my rep. I think I need to start volunteering out of state.

funksands

Good night kes. You did excellent work and it mattered.

sabreen60

yuck – now its going to baker

sillylittleme

How many of you got one message after another from Dems with words like “Disaster! Heartbreaking! Impossible!” instead of Loud and Proud, they came across as Weak and Meek….the Party WITHOUT Obama in the lead, at the head of the ticket has now lost twice….A Party that runs from its victories will lose.

murphthesurf3

Murph – those are the ONLY messages I got! Not a proud ‘look what great things we and the president have done’ in the bunch.

choicelady

Murph, I only got about 500,000 of those. I actually unsubscribed to two organizations prior to the election

funksands

Absolutely Murph.

sabreen60

funk – I also unsubscribed.

choicelady

Murph, I got on Brad Schneider from Illinois — don’t know how since I don’t live there. I got so many friggin emails from that guy, “begging” “pleading” ad nauseum. UGH. I unsubscribed a dozen times

greenchica

Look folks – it may be up to us to join our local committees and start blocking the jerks both conservative and ridiculously faux progressive.

choicelady

Anybody think getting rid of the filibuster might not have been such a good idea?

jumpingjackflash

What will Obama do now? What he must. And that means deals with the GOP.

murphthesurf3

Hagan looking bad. Can’t believe I have to pin my hopes on Begich. Not good. Hagan was the firewall I needed to feel some optimism

funksands

jjf – we got rid of it for ONLY presidential appointments and NOT even SCOTUS and the GOP blocked them other ways.

choicelady

Murph, if he’s smart he’ll dig an even deeper trench and hang on for dear life for the next two years.

funksands

Why are people electing the asshats they hate? The GOP has a 29% approval rating. How have SO MANY PEOPLE been hornswoggled?

choicelady

He’s got nothing to lose politically and everything to lose policy-wise.

funksands

I think folks on Twitter were saying that stupid Chris Matthews said it’s the party of the Clintons. Wonder what he’s saying now?

sabreen60

Choice, they’re more motivated.

funksands

They want something and they want it RIGHT NOW

funksands

CL, they opened the door. I’d say anything is fair game now.

jumpingjackflash

Does this mean that voter suppression works for the motivated and middle class whites are NOT?

choicelady

cl – they’re the only ones voting

sillylittleme

jjf – I’d agree, but let’s see if the Dems have backbone since Bill and Hillary will want to temper the anger.

choicelady

I cannot reconcile this with the huge lines of people in cities, some 20,000 waiting still to vote in NC, and with the turnout in my precinct that had very little going on.

choicelady

cl – I gotta agree, can’t understand how Baker is so close. I’m in a rather small precinct and we had lines for the first time in years.

sillylittleme

Adlib, you nailed it.

greenchica

ad – and that’s how gore lost. I thought we weren’t the stupid party…

sillylittleme

I read that in NC dem votes on a Diebold were flipping…

choicelady

SLM – gore didn’t lose. He GOT the popular vote but not the electoral one.

choicelady

Someone just tweeted: The GOP engineered a Govt shutdown,frivolous BS witch hunts/scandals, and blocked legislation but they’re going to be rewarded w/the Senate.

sabreen60

SLM – but all the other wimpoids did exactly that.

choicelady

Sabreen – THAT is what I cannot understand, though I saw absolutely NOTHING in Dem campaigns about any of that.

choicelady

AdLib – the ONLY thing standing between us and disaster is one marvelous president. And the only thing standing in the way of his being impeached is the Vice President – their is no benefit to getting rid of Obama just to have “I know no fear” Biden.

choicelady

Choice, could you re-phrase that?

funksands

I sure the hell hope the Secret Service is going to protect Biden VERY CAREFULLY. And I have no trust in them.

choicelady

Re-phrase what, funk?

choicelady

I had a HUGE fight with three of the folks I worked with to get insurance when I asked them to help me out with the campaign I was working on. They said they were too busy and besides they did not want to do anything that made them look like “Obummer Lovers”.That was two weeks ago. I just got an e mail from one of them. It reads. “Murph, do you think my insurance is in trouble?” I will not be responding.

murphthesurf3

the voter suppression statement. Not sure I follow

funksands

Those who want to vote – minorities and students – have been blocked in many states.

choicelady

AdLib, None! That’s what I mean when I say wimpy Dems. When the hell did Debbie push back. When did you see Dems on TV talking about the accomplishments of the Obama administration? Never! Not even the Congressional Black Caucus.

sabreen60

Murph – tell him YES HIS INSURANCE IS AT RISK!

choicelady

Murph, fuck them. Seriously. Keep working on getting people that are good for them elected, but do not assist them further. I have no tolerance for that kind of stupidity

funksands

murph – tell him he’s on his own and good luck

sillylittleme

CL….he was looking for assurance from me, he will get none.

murphthesurf3

Ad, I sure hope so. I think Hagan may lose. Who else are we getting Ad?

funksands

Tell him he fucked up. (Sorry.)

choicelady

Funk….that is where I am now. In Ferguson, they registered an additional 315 voters…in Ferguson! There were four times that number that could have registered. This is a huge problem…people unengaged from what is vital in their own lives.

murphthesurf3

coakley is losing. welcome to republican MA again. it will suck and more people will move out and then they’ll blame it on the dems

sillylittleme

Ad, I expect non-stop filibusters for the next two years. I hate it, but I expect it.

funksands

SLM…he was lookng for a word of solace and did not get it and will not.

murphthesurf3

45 Senators can stiffen some spines. 42-43 not so much

funksands

Funk, expect the GOP to get rid of the filibuster like the DEM’s did.

jumpingjackflash

Murph – this is grounded in the Occupy meme that taking it to the streets is the ONLY thing that matters. If we hadn’t taken civil rights to the CAPITOL, we’d still be marching over the Edmund Pettus bridge.

choicelady

Funk….have they got 45

murphthesurf3

Jack, you think so? I think they’d be more likely to than Reid was, but I don’t think that’s such a sure thing with a Dem President. They know they have 24 seats to defend to 9 for the Dems in 2016.

funksands

CL….take it to the streets is step one….and so many only go that far….I am very disgusted right now.

murphthesurf3

JJF – there are other tactics the Dems can use just as the GOP did.

choicelady

Ernst wins

funksands

funk – yuck!!

sillylittleme

Funk…after tonight, how many of those 24 are in danger.

murphthesurf3

Murph – I know. We are the NATION of stupid.

choicelady

I think if Romney was President and this was happening they’d do it almost immediately.

funksands

Joni Ernst won. I am going to puke.

choicelady

So now I really believe the fix is in.

sabreen60

Murph, I think 5 are in danger, 5 more can be won

funksands

sabreen – I’m with you

sillylittleme

Funk….I’d love to see a list.

murphthesurf3

Yes, what does merit-hire Luke Russert have to say about Ernst?

funksands

Sabreen and SLM – I agree. I think we will uncover the biggest raid on democracy EVER. Gear up Greg Palast.

choicelady

Anyone fear for the life of this president now? I do.

choicelady

Choice, I have from the first day I ever heard of him.

greenchica

cl – but will it be dealt with or are we fucked either way?

sillylittleme

Because the powers that be now have NO interest in keeping this president, and it gives license to the extremists.

choicelady

They’ll set up a routine of sending junk legislation to the WH which will get vetoed over and over and the MSM will call him the veto president

greenchica

greenchica – so be it. Junk MIGHT finally become obvious to the public.

choicelady

The House doesn’t seem to be paying a price for the past two years of junk they’ve generated

greenchica

Murph, WI, OH, FL, IL, and PA all winnable for Dems. They’ll need help with MO, NH, IN, AZ and AK.

funksands

AdLib – so why do Dems keep nominating idiots??? That’s what happened in Ohio for the governor’s race. The guy in MT was the same. Where are the brave leaders.

choicelady

Remember…the GOP have set out to destroy the Obama legacy from day one so I expect them to work on that front at every opportunity.

murphthesurf3

Murph – they cannot destroy his legacy. They can destroy our nation.

choicelady

Ecat, there has been no immediate electoral consequence for their actions. Won’t stop until there is.

funksands

Funk, thanks.

murphthesurf3

cl – I’d say they already have and it won’t be pretty for a very long time

sillylittleme

Sure. Nevada is the only seat Dems have to worry about in 2016

funksands

SLM – it’s like going back to HUAC and McCarthy overnight.

choicelady

The Dem’s shutdown the government too.

jumpingjackflash

AdLib – how can anyone FORGET that? Your daughter didn’t!!!

choicelady

Funk…at this point I expect the giant money machine to invest heavily in overturning “for sure” Dem seats.

murphthesurf3

JJF – I think that may be the perception, that the Dems agreed to the shutdown. Stupid though that is.

choicelady

cl – why are we repeating this history so soon? Didn’

sillylittleme

JJL saying the dems shut down the govt is like saying a kidnapping victim’s family killed the victim when they wouldn’t pay

greenchica

n’t anyone pay attention in school?

sillylittleme

SLM – yup. Remember Karl Marx said, “History repeats itself. The first time for tragedy, the second time for farce.” That’s the USA today.

choicelady

That’s so wrong green.

jumpingjackflash

greenchica- yes that’s a great analogy.

choicelady

cl – I so love a farce, just not living through it…

sillylittleme

Murph, they’ll target Bennet and Wyden and Murphey. The rest are safe unless Leahy retires, which he might.

funksands

JJL “Repeal your legislation or else shutdown”

greenchica

Green, no it was reduce spending.

jumpingjackflash

Jack is a good soldier. He flirted with moderation in 2006-8 but got back in line quickly

funksands

reduce spending by repealing ACA

greenchica

grenchica – PBO will NEVER let that happen. But Hillary MIGHT.

choicelady

Sure, that’s one way.

jumpingjackflash

Spending cuts have reduced GDP by on average 1% a year. Mission accomplished

funksands

funk – we actually have pretty good GDP growth, but it’s fueled I think by the stock market not by income growth.

choicelady

Last two budget surpluses have been followed by recessions. I expect that again.

funksands

Ad – and that gridlocked cycle makes progress in between the midterms exceedingly difficullt to come by.

murphthesurf3

funk – will people blame the president for the recession?

choicelady

Choice we have very good growth considering that Congress has been an anchor around the economy’s neck for 4 years

funksands

I don’t what it will take to get Americans in the streets on the same level as the Vietnam War. But I think if ACA were repealed thousands of people would be in the streets.

sabreen60

Sure. They always do.

funksands

funk – indeed!

choicelady

jodi ernst is a pig.

choicelady

murph/ad – which means we accomplish little and slowly roll in the wrong direction until we’re hanging off a precipice again

sillylittleme

“Ernst DELIVERING a message to DC”

funksands

funk – she will be a worthy successor to Sarah in DC.

choicelady

She’s a warmed over Helen Chenoweth

funksands

And so what will the world think about this election? That we are all pigs just like Ernst.

kalie

Kalie, they already think we’re crazy, this won’t change anything.

funksands

Big fear – the Congress directs the president to full scale war. Can he refuse that directive?

choicelady

I think the world has been laughing at us for quite some time. Laughing and also being disgusted.

sabreen60

Iowa sucks, sorry. I used to like it but not now with pig lover for Senate.

kalie

cl – thankfully the pentagon will tell them to fuck off

sillylittleme

Yes Choice, Congress can really only damage domestic policy, unless the President is pre-disposed to conflict, they can’t do much.

funksands

SLM – the Pentagon CANNOT tell them to fuck off.

choicelady

AdLib – then isn’t THAT grounds for impeachment?

choicelady

OMG someone said Rauner wins Governor of Illinois. I can see spending lots of time in Springfield fighting this fascist.

kalie

cl – watch them, they don’t have the bodies, they are awash in veterans that they can’t service, etc

sillylittleme

There has never been an armed conflict in the history of our nation that wasn’t initiated by the CIC.

funksands

choice, do you really think Hillary would let ACA be repealed?

greenchica

funk – I realize that, but I bet they try and use it as an excuse to impeach him!

choicelady

greenchica – yes I do.

choicelady

I heard a statistic: Every 2 term president since Ike has lost both houses in his 2nd term. True?

sabreen60

AdLib – I hope to God you’re correct!!!

choicelady

Oh Choice, they’ll come up 18 other reasons to do that. I expect that from day 1. I just don’t want a war out of it. I’d take impeachment over another bullshit war any day

funksands

Sabreen – since WW II that is true.

choicelady

funk – I don’t want impeachment either.

choicelady

Sabreen, no Clinton did not in 1998.

funksands

There is some big corruption going on in Illinois tonight. There is no way Rauner could beat Quinn. Stop this insanity.

kalie

funk – Clinton lost both houses immediately!!!

choicelady

kalie – I think there is massive voter fraud going on!

choicelady

Mr. Om has won in Florida again. It’s like a monster movie.

greenchica

All you lawyers get your asses out there and count!!!

kalie

Choice in 1998 (second midterm) Clinton picked up seats. That’s what I thought Sabreen was referring to.

funksands

I mean Mr. Hom.

greenchica

greenchica – Christ was AHEAD by LOTS – what the hell is happening?

choicelady

funk – maybe, but he lost the control and never regained it.

choicelady

choice — back to Hillary and ACA — but Hillary tried to pass healthcare reform when Bill was in WH

greenchica

Funk, What I meant is that Republicans control both the Senate and House.

sabreen60

Choice you are right.

funksands

Her health reform was abysmal, and she’d try to make up a new plan – a bad one – just to look good. She has no understanding of health care at all.

choicelady

Some goper rigged the machines or something. They have the money to do what they want. Every election tonight that went gop has to be recounted.

kalie

greenchica – only common feature of ACA and Hillarycare was the mandate.

choicelady

kalie – it won’t be unless someone like Greg Palast who exposed the 2000 fraud comes around in MANY states to show what happened.

choicelady

There isn’t enough political protection for people insured under the ACA. It’s going to take some really strong Dem Senators to hold the line against repeal. Yes Obama will veto any bill that comes to him, but I don’t even want it to be able to come to a vote.

funksands

AdLib – Hope you’re right, but if the GOP still control the houses, she will cave.

choicelady

funk – I TOTALLY agree.

choicelady

The only reason that SS is still around is because it has ironclad political protection. ACA is years away from that type of insitutionalization

funksands

funk – I fear that’s true, too.

choicelady

funk – I am also of the mind that SS is now vulnerable for the first time.

choicelady

AdLib – I hope you’re right, but the Koch machine is rolling!

choicelady

Virginia might go Dem. Sheesh

funksands

Warner wins VA….whew! Good

murphthesurf3

AdLib – GOOD FOR VA!

choicelady

Any funds that get “cared” for by Wall Street will be taken from us. Privatization is a joke. We need bills that hold our savings sacred, not given to Wall Street.

kalie

ad – woo hoo at least a bit of good news

sillylittleme

kalie – it is ALL up for grabs, and it isn’t going to be pretty.

choicelady

AdLib – she’d spin it as ‘improvement’. I have not a shred of trust she wouldn’t cave.

choicelady

I’m with you on this Adlib. 2016 will bring out the progressive vote again and tonight’s mess will be undone.

greenchica

BTW – it’s actually 30 million since it includes a lot of programs supported by ACA.

choicelady

cl – so agree, her only significant accomplishment will be being the first woman president

sillylittleme

53 Seats would be bad, but not the end of the world. 55 would have been awful

funksands

greenchica – so long as the candidate in 2016 is white, maybe the progs will vote. But they now think they’re too good for any Dem.

choicelady

I love Maddow’s comment: “Brown only man to lose two different Senate races to two different women in the history of the United States”

funksands

funk – and now all that is left for Brown is going back to being a centerfold.

choicelady

We need 70 seats in 2020.

funksands

funk. We need 70 seats NOW.

choicelady

Well Bruce Rauner R bought the Illinois Governorship and he better fucking do something good!!!!

kalie

kalie – that’s like asking a pig to do math! I’d have more confidence in the pig.

choicelady

Not gonna happen. Gotta go eat a late dinner and drink some more. I’ll be back in 30 to see if anyone survived. Be brave everyone, this isn’t as bad as it looks or feels as frustrating as it is.

funksands

Adlib, yes. And little Cruz has already promissed to make a big mess for McConnell.

greenchica

funk – no it’s not as bad. It’s worse! Drink a LOT, dear friend.

choicelady

Hey- “my friend” who I helped with health insurance, just called…he wanted to know why I did not e mail back…my answer. “I did not want to say this but if you insist: Yes, the insurance you just got for yourself, for your wife, for your family, is very much in question now. I am sorry that so many Americans do not believe that elections do have consequences.”

murphthesurf3

funk–Iwas already braced for a mess. I believe Nate Silver!

greenchica

Well Choice we have concealed carry here now so he should be worried there are a lot of unhappy people here.

kalie

have one for me funk!!

sillylittleme

murph — how funny! This is someone who hates Obama????

greenchica

kalie – I don’t think the RW understands that a lot of liberals are NOT anti-gun. This ought to be worrisome to them…

choicelady

Murph – good for you!!! I hope he swallows his tongue. For the moment, it’s covered.

choicelady

Green chica…does not hate but does not want to be seen as a “lover”. Like a lot of Dems.

murphthesurf3

That is the crux of the problem choice!! We are more alike than different, but fight like opposites.

kalie

We managed to pass expanded background checks for gun purchase in Wash.

greenchica

greenchica – GOOD!!!

choicelady

OMG. The race for Gov here in Maryland is too close to call.

sabreen60

Nite Funk!

sabreen60

Murph, that’s pathetic.

greenchica

greenchica- I sat in a car dealership in Bellingham across from a young couple with a baby in a carrier on the floor. When they stood up, the father had a pistol on his hip that had been aimed at the baby the whole time. You need background checks!

choicelady

AdLib – if Brownback won, there is fraud. NOTHING makes that possible.

choicelady

Background checks or brain checks choice?

kalie

Sabreen – how is that possible in MARYLAND?

choicelady