• AdLib : Same here, have a great weekend, Beatlex!

  • Beatlex : Gotta go AdLib,fun chatting as usual,see you

  • Beatlex : I watch a little of Joe,what a pompous twit he is.You are bang on about the rest,I would add Ad Al Sharpton is the worst

  • AdLib : Tweety can sometimes be on target while other times he is clueless and oblivious to what his guests are saying or the issue at hand. Ed Schultz is a fraud and opportunist. Rachel and Chris Hayes are mostly good, Joy Reid and Alex Wagner are okay but Ronan Farrow is an empty vessel, Andrea Mitchell is a propagandist elitist and I don’t have to say what a piece of work the Morning Joe show is.

  • Beatlex : And some they beat to death,like Bridgegate,just let the feds do their work.There WAS some news on that today with the grand jury wasn’t there AdLib?

  • AdLib : It’s not an absolute, there are worthy issues that get attention along the way but they are peppered in with the more outrageous threads that are strung along day after day. There’s so much more happening around us that we never hear about because we just get the same stories rerun day after day.

  • Beatlex : Some of their guests are good,Tweety never lets them talk on his show,It is comical sometimes

  • Beatlex : It is no wonder people tune out AdLib,I do watch some of it,I like Lawrence O’Donnell,he does go overboard sometimes

  • AdLib : Which is why I wrote that post this week, it’s just a waste that our “news” channels just recycle the same outrage over the same stories hour after hour, day after day.

  • Beatlex : AdLib,then all of the night lineup has the same stories,just rehashed,over and over

  • AdLib : Exactly and in the end, MSNBC is a corporate enterprise primarily interested in profits. So whatever generates the most money, namely the outrageous, is what they broadcast.

  • Beatlex : Outrageous gets hits AdLib.Sister Sarah being a good example of sheer stupidity getting air time

  • AdLib : As long as Dems accept it’s a fight and that it’s a fight they can win, they could win it.

  • Beatlex : That’s right AdLib,they become the butt of jokes,and generally are finished after that,The Dems have a fight on their hands in 2014 for sure

  • AdLib : Good point, MSNBC spends much of its day disputing and disproving the lies spewed on Fox…which only gives the lies more publicity. That really annoys me, they should ignore them but it’s better for ratings to exploit them.

  • AdLib : And sometimes the strongest blow against those who do something wrong is to get people to laugh at them.

  • Beatlex : Ridicule is the answer to their silly arguments and policies.To give it anything else is giving it to much weight.Somebody famous said as much.Can’t think of who though!

  • AdLib : Cheers Beatlex! It’s sort of like a relief valve for me, I’ll sometimes get so irate at something that I sometimes decide to go in the other direction and ridicule it instead of attacking it.

  • Beatlex : A sense of humor is VITAL to life!-LOL

  • Beatlex : AdLib,I like the mix of humor and cold hard facts you use to dismantle the R’s arguments

  • AdLib : Beatlex, thanks so much! Really appreciate that and I will keep blogging away!

  • Beatlex : Nite CL!

  • choicelady : Good night both of you – sweet dreams!

  • choicelady : AdLib – no, the recent SCOTUS ruling (before the bad one on the CRA) said that there were universal federal registration standards, and I think in federal elections, they do hold sway. Not over local or purely state ones, but federal – yes. That is WHY we can have a Voting Rights Act.

  • Beatlex : AdLib,you always blog really good stuff! Don’t stop how you are doing it! I really enjoy your blogs

  • AdLib : Drive safely and have a wonderful weekend, CL!

  • AdLib : Beatlex – Twitter isn’t great for everything but for sharing news and organizing, it works very well.

  • AdLib : CL – I don’t think so, doesn’t matter if it’s a federal election, a state is in charge of its voting and state election law rules over elections. In the case of fraud, the feds could get involved…but not when it came to something like a recount.

  • choicelady : Well guys – I had a GREAT evening doing union coop organizing (with the exception of one EmoProg, oh well…) so am about to head to bed. Long drive to the Bay Area and back, and I’m whipped. Be well both of you – I will not be here next week and then back to the same meeting two weeks from now. So I will see you when I can. Take care!

  • Beatlex : I may consider Twitter,I like the 14 characters thing.I do that best.Short and hopefully sweet Ad!

  • choicelady : Totally agree, AdLib.

  • AdLib : CL – Which is why there is a growing and vast army of ACA supporters who the pundits aren’t seeing, who have a lot to lose if Repubs were to take over federal government. Dems would be very smart to target and activate those voters, making sure they recognize how much is at stake for them.

  • choicelady : Beatlex – I took up Twitter because I get amazing info from it that I email to myself for my analyses and advocacy work. But outside of that (and the occasional cute animal photo) I can well see why it might waste your time.

  • choicelady : AdLib – I think since it was a federal election SCOTUS did have pendant jurisdiction. But their decision was itself so WRONG and, I believe, political. They wanted Bush to win. This was how they did it. Tough luck O’Connor now does her mea culpa. Screw that.

  • Beatlex : I don’t tweet,or facebook or anything like it.I have real things to do.2 sites on the net I visit.I don’t have a lot of spare time

  • AdLib : CL – Indeed, 2000 may only be 14 years ago but it’s light years in the past technologically.

  • choicelady : AdLib – it’s also data. Spandan and others have been totting up the results – 7.1 million via the Exchanges is just ONE figure. 4 million on Medicaid, and then millions of young people on their parents’ insurance and millions more who got insurance in the private market = the total is VERY high.

  • AdLib : CL – There were many who did see it that way though, when the SCOTUS commanded the state of FL to stop recounting votes, they didn’t have that right, that is a state’s right, not the SCOTUS.

  • choicelady : AdLib – thinking how recent Twitter etc. is, it sure makes 2000 seem VERY far away, doesn’t it?

  • AdLib : CL – And it’s all the anecdotal experiences people and/or their friends and relatives have that will insulate them from all the lies and propaganda against the ACA and those supporting it.

  • choicelady : AdLib – except that few saw it that way then. Not knowing what we know now… You’re totally correct about how Twitter would have altered that outcome!

  • AdLib : CL – I see this issue as different though, it wasn’t about protesting the court’s opinion on something under their jurisdiction, it was about revolting against an unconstitutional power grab that thwarted our democracy. No other issue could be compared to that.

  • choicelady : AdLib – totally agree on this, too. Remember – it is the Murphs of the world who moved it to success, and it’s millions of us helping to spread the word.

  • AdLib : CL – That’s good news, hope it’s the case! And I do hope Dems quit acting like cowards and take the low risk of supporting the ACA strongly. They need to drop the phrase “Obamacare” and just describe the various aspects of the law that they support. That would simultaneously inform the ignorant public and attract support.

  • choicelady : AdLib – totally agree, but I do NOT see how. We as a nation have never yet changed court decisions – look at the Religious Right and their persistent fury against Roe. Nothing changed. I don’t think the majority of Americans rising up would even have succeeded. They are insulated and isolated for that very reason.

  • AdLib : I may disagree with many decisions the SCOTUS makes but I recognize their right to make those decisions. But when they made that power grab and anointed the President they wanted in office, they did not deserve the respect of a legal body, it was illegal and at that point, only the people could overrule them.

  • choicelady : AdLib – I think PBO and most of the Dems absolutely intend to crow about how great ACA is. And the GOP have – nothing. So any chickenhearted Dem who skitters away from support is risking what happened in 2012 – being usurped by the RW who are observably MORE anti ACA. BTW – today Tony Quinn the GOP elder statesman predicts the Dems in CA will take EVERY swing Congressional seat. THAT alone can pull us far closer to taking back the House. Tony’s an ass but is no fool. If you see my point.

  • AdLib : CL – We sure could’ve used Twitter back then, to get the news out and organize. We’ve now seen the profound harm that comes when good people stand by and do nothing against injustice.

  • Beatlex : Good news CL! The Dems need to fight!

  • choicelady : AdLib – remember that when the court ruled, the media had repressed the stories we know NOW about the mobs that laid siege to the recount committees. They actually fled buildings due to the mobs. That was shut up – and that lack of information made people rely on the court however massively disappointed they were. Had they known the truth then, it might have been different.

  • AdLib : CL – We discussed this earlier, I think that by November, it will be a lot less potent to be railing against the ACA and more beneficial for Dems to stand up on it.

  • AdLib : CL – It would have been a rebellion against a coup, not a court. You’re right though, Dems didn’t know what to do and at that point, they needed Gore to lead them into nationwide protest. It really is an outrage that led to disaster and standing up to the smothering of our democracy is something the Founders would have done.