AdLib : Same here, have a great weekend, Beatlex!
Beatlex : Gotta go AdLib,fun chatting as usual,see you
Beatlex : I watch a little of Joe,what a pompous twit he is.You are bang on about the rest,I would add Ad Al Sharpton is the worst
AdLib : Tweety can sometimes be on target while other times he is clueless and oblivious to what his guests are saying or the issue at hand. Ed Schultz is a fraud and opportunist. Rachel and Chris Hayes are mostly good, Joy Reid and Alex Wagner are okay but Ronan Farrow is an empty vessel, Andrea Mitchell is a propagandist elitist and I don’t have to say what a piece of work the Morning Joe show is.
Beatlex : And some they beat to death,like Bridgegate,just let the feds do their work.There WAS some news on that today with the grand jury wasn’t there AdLib?
AdLib : It’s not an absolute, there are worthy issues that get attention along the way but they are peppered in with the more outrageous threads that are strung along day after day. There’s so much more happening around us that we never hear about because we just get the same stories rerun day after day.
Beatlex : Some of their guests are good,Tweety never lets them talk on his show,It is comical sometimes
Beatlex : It is no wonder people tune out AdLib,I do watch some of it,I like Lawrence O’Donnell,he does go overboard sometimes
AdLib : Which is why I wrote that post this week, it’s just a waste that our “news” channels just recycle the same outrage over the same stories hour after hour, day after day.
Beatlex : AdLib,then all of the night lineup has the same stories,just rehashed,over and over
AdLib : Exactly and in the end, MSNBC is a corporate enterprise primarily interested in profits. So whatever generates the most money, namely the outrageous, is what they broadcast.
Beatlex : Outrageous gets hits AdLib.Sister Sarah being a good example of sheer stupidity getting air time
AdLib : As long as Dems accept it’s a fight and that it’s a fight they can win, they could win it.
Beatlex : That’s right AdLib,they become the butt of jokes,and generally are finished after that,The Dems have a fight on their hands in 2014 for sure
AdLib : Good point, MSNBC spends much of its day disputing and disproving the lies spewed on Fox…which only gives the lies more publicity. That really annoys me, they should ignore them but it’s better for ratings to exploit them.
AdLib : And sometimes the strongest blow against those who do something wrong is to get people to laugh at them.
Beatlex : Ridicule is the answer to their silly arguments and policies.To give it anything else is giving it to much weight.Somebody famous said as much.Can’t think of who though!
AdLib : Cheers Beatlex! It’s sort of like a relief valve for me, I’ll sometimes get so irate at something that I sometimes decide to go in the other direction and ridicule it instead of attacking it.
Beatlex : A sense of humor is VITAL to life!-LOL
Beatlex : AdLib,I like the mix of humor and cold hard facts you use to dismantle the R’s arguments
AdLib : Beatlex, thanks so much! Really appreciate that and I will keep blogging away!
Beatlex : Nite CL!
choicelady : Good night both of you – sweet dreams!
choicelady : AdLib – no, the recent SCOTUS ruling (before the bad one on the CRA) said that there were universal federal registration standards, and I think in federal elections, they do hold sway. Not over local or purely state ones, but federal – yes. That is WHY we can have a Voting Rights Act.
Beatlex : AdLib,you always blog really good stuff! Don’t stop how you are doing it! I really enjoy your blogs
AdLib : Drive safely and have a wonderful weekend, CL!
AdLib : Beatlex – Twitter isn’t great for everything but for sharing news and organizing, it works very well.
AdLib : CL – I don’t think so, doesn’t matter if it’s a federal election, a state is in charge of its voting and state election law rules over elections. In the case of fraud, the feds could get involved…but not when it came to something like a recount.
choicelady : Well guys – I had a GREAT evening doing union coop organizing (with the exception of one EmoProg, oh well…) so am about to head to bed. Long drive to the Bay Area and back, and I’m whipped. Be well both of you – I will not be here next week and then back to the same meeting two weeks from now. So I will see you when I can. Take care!
Beatlex : I may consider Twitter,I like the 14 characters thing.I do that best.Short and hopefully sweet Ad!
choicelady : Totally agree, AdLib.
AdLib : CL – Which is why there is a growing and vast army of ACA supporters who the pundits aren’t seeing, who have a lot to lose if Repubs were to take over federal government. Dems would be very smart to target and activate those voters, making sure they recognize how much is at stake for them.
choicelady : Beatlex – I took up Twitter because I get amazing info from it that I email to myself for my analyses and advocacy work. But outside of that (and the occasional cute animal photo) I can well see why it might waste your time.
choicelady : AdLib – I think since it was a federal election SCOTUS did have pendant jurisdiction. But their decision was itself so WRONG and, I believe, political. They wanted Bush to win. This was how they did it. Tough luck O’Connor now does her mea culpa. Screw that.
Beatlex : I don’t tweet,or facebook or anything like it.I have real things to do.2 sites on the net I visit.I don’t have a lot of spare time
AdLib : CL – Indeed, 2000 may only be 14 years ago but it’s light years in the past technologically.
choicelady : AdLib – it’s also data. Spandan and others have been totting up the results – 7.1 million via the Exchanges is just ONE figure. 4 million on Medicaid, and then millions of young people on their parents’ insurance and millions more who got insurance in the private market = the total is VERY high.
AdLib : CL – There were many who did see it that way though, when the SCOTUS commanded the state of FL to stop recounting votes, they didn’t have that right, that is a state’s right, not the SCOTUS.
choicelady : AdLib – thinking how recent Twitter etc. is, it sure makes 2000 seem VERY far away, doesn’t it?
AdLib : CL – And it’s all the anecdotal experiences people and/or their friends and relatives have that will insulate them from all the lies and propaganda against the ACA and those supporting it.
choicelady : AdLib – except that few saw it that way then. Not knowing what we know now… You’re totally correct about how Twitter would have altered that outcome!
AdLib : CL – I see this issue as different though, it wasn’t about protesting the court’s opinion on something under their jurisdiction, it was about revolting against an unconstitutional power grab that thwarted our democracy. No other issue could be compared to that.
choicelady : AdLib – totally agree on this, too. Remember – it is the Murphs of the world who moved it to success, and it’s millions of us helping to spread the word.
AdLib : CL – That’s good news, hope it’s the case! And I do hope Dems quit acting like cowards and take the low risk of supporting the ACA strongly. They need to drop the phrase “Obamacare” and just describe the various aspects of the law that they support. That would simultaneously inform the ignorant public and attract support.
choicelady : AdLib – totally agree, but I do NOT see how. We as a nation have never yet changed court decisions – look at the Religious Right and their persistent fury against Roe. Nothing changed. I don’t think the majority of Americans rising up would even have succeeded. They are insulated and isolated for that very reason.
AdLib : I may disagree with many decisions the SCOTUS makes but I recognize their right to make those decisions. But when they made that power grab and anointed the President they wanted in office, they did not deserve the respect of a legal body, it was illegal and at that point, only the people could overrule them.
choicelady : AdLib – I think PBO and most of the Dems absolutely intend to crow about how great ACA is. And the GOP have – nothing. So any chickenhearted Dem who skitters away from support is risking what happened in 2012 – being usurped by the RW who are observably MORE anti ACA. BTW – today Tony Quinn the GOP elder statesman predicts the Dems in CA will take EVERY swing Congressional seat. THAT alone can pull us far closer to taking back the House. Tony’s an ass but is no fool. If you see my point.
AdLib : CL – We sure could’ve used Twitter back then, to get the news out and organize. We’ve now seen the profound harm that comes when good people stand by and do nothing against injustice.
Beatlex : Good news CL! The Dems need to fight!
choicelady : AdLib – remember that when the court ruled, the media had repressed the stories we know NOW about the mobs that laid siege to the recount committees. They actually fled buildings due to the mobs. That was shut up – and that lack of information made people rely on the court however massively disappointed they were. Had they known the truth then, it might have been different.
AdLib : CL – We discussed this earlier, I think that by November, it will be a lot less potent to be railing against the ACA and more beneficial for Dems to stand up on it.
AdLib : CL – It would have been a rebellion against a coup, not a court. You’re right though, Dems didn’t know what to do and at that point, they needed Gore to lead them into nationwide protest. It really is an outrage that led to disaster and standing up to the smothering of our democracy is something the Founders would have done.
choicelady : Beatlex – if Harry Reid and PBO are any indication, that is EXACTLY what the Dems are going to do! Save the Congressman who represents the district where my office is – he’s one of the Dem turncoats who just voted against ACA. I BLASTED him for it. I hope he listens – he’s a chicken shit.
Beatlex : I think they should run on the ACA,expose the R’s as being against peole getting good health care
choicelady : AdLib – how well has it worked out? Mostly it hasn’t. And I’ve never seen a rebellion against a COURT, only against an incumbent. Not sure people had a glimmer of what to do.
AdLib : CL – I don’t know, if the SCOTUS saw the people in the streets and surrounding the SCOTUS, I think they might be worrying about what they had started.
AdLib : CL – I know it’s foreign to Americans but other countries have had their people rebel when a coup was staged.
choicelady : AdLib – at that point, do you think they WOULD have changed their ruling? I don’t – I think it would have led them to dig in their heels.
AdLib : CL – We needed to have people in the streets led by Gore and forced the SCOTUS to revisit their unconstitutional actions. It would have been bold but it’s that kind of uprising that needed to happen then. America suffered a coup and the people needed to rise up.
choicelady : AdLib – but what would THAT have changed? I don’t see anything more than symbolic work there. I have looked and looked for legal ways to challenge what they said – can’t find them. That’s why it’s so scary.
Beatlex : Choicelady,yes,b ecause they have no viable alternative,let ‘s hope
choicelady : AdLib – he could have come out against the ruling, but I have no idea what it would have changed. NOW we hear Sandra Day O’Connor rues her ruling. Too little, too late toots.
AdLib : CL – Gore could have led protests and not admitted defeat.
AdLib : CL – As we know now, Gore won the electoral vote and won FL so there was a coup completed by the SCOTUS and he needed to stand against it. SCOTUS did not have the right to selectively refuse to allow a vote recount.
choicelady : AdLib – how would Gore have done that?
choicelady : Beatlex – I’m reading some GOP are arguing AGAINST the 5000th vote to kill ACA. Maybe just maybe this will cool down some, and we can move forward. But it is entirely activism in the midterm.
AdLib : CL – Unfortunately, we needed Gore to declare a Constitutional crisis and resist the SCOTUS power grab.
Beatlex : It will all be about turnout,as I am sure you know Ad.I don’t want to see the President lose the last 2 years.They will try everything to stop the ACA
choicelady : AdLib – that said, he DID get the greater of the popular vote and lost on the electoral college. That has not happened often, but yeah – if NADER had not run, he’d have had a measurable surplus IN Florida that would have made the SCOTUS and recount issues moot.
choicelady : AdLib – I think he caved when SCOTUS eliminated his ability to do the recount. I am not sure what else he could have done after that.
choicelady : Beatlex – sorry I called you “Beatles”. Slip of the finger!
AdLib : CL – I’ve said it before but imagine if Gore didn’t roll over and the SCOTUS didn’t select Bush as President…if Gore was President when 9/11 hit and we never invaded Iraq. And pursued climate change and on and on. What a different world we’d be living in.
choicelady : Beatlex – I think rather than the fall of an Empire we have the reconfiguration of a far more moral society IF we work for that. The success of ACA enrollment is the work of legions of ordinary people. There was NO money for promotion, and it was people just like Murph who were out there day after day helping people make access. THAT is what can defeat the Legions of Darkness if only we will do it often on other issues. I know that activism works. We just have to make the commitment.
choicelady : Beatles – I know 9/11 was a watershed, but the consolidation of RW control of media was well underway before that. We just paid no serious attention. Too much attention to shows that amused rather than bad reporting that did us harm.
Beatlex : I was really late getting here tonight,was out,we have been talking about the fall of an empire I think!
AdLib : Glad to hear that, CL!
choicelady : I’m fine – just back from a union coop organizing meeting, and it went well. How are you and Beatlex?
Beatlex : All good CL,and you?
AdLib : Hey CL! How are you?
AdLib : It was the perfect storm, 9-11 and the Bush/chickenhawk clan, together they damaged the future of this country and the world.
choicelady : Hi – Just dropping in. How are the two of you?
Beatlex : 9-11 changed America forever.It allowed GWB to lie America into disaster,with the media wagging their tails
AdLib : It’s like a terrible nightmare that we woke up from once we got rid of Bush. The damage that he and his crowd did to the US will go on for decades.
Beatlex : There is always hope I guess AdLib.Things were bad enough before the Roberts court.Him and Alito are are the worst thing to happen.Another thing to thank GWB for.Man he hurt your country,and the world bad AdLib
AdLib : Kennedy swings mostly to the 4 RWs so replacing him would swing the court back to the left.
Beatlex : I don’t see Scalia going for a while,Kennedy is the swing vote is he not AdLib?
AdLib : Here you go: Four Supreme Court justices are over the age of 70: Stephen Breyer is 74, Anthony Kennedy and Antonin Scalia are 76 and Ruth Bader Ginsburg, a pancreatic cancer survivor, is 79.
Beatlex : But the ones he needs to retire,are all relatively young.If he gets to name one more,then Maybe Hillary will get a chance to name one.How old is Scalia Adlib?
AdLib : You don’t know how much I hope Obama can replace one of the Repub SCOTUS.
Beatlex : AdLib,And the Supreme Court are clearing the decks for them!
AdLib : Beatlex – The Kochs are like most tyrants, all about building their wealth and power and oppressing the majority who they see a sthe only threat to their campaign.
Beatlex : G’Day PP
AdLib : Night PPO, hope it works out for next week!
Beatlex : AdLib It is a bit scary too.What happens in America affects the whole world.I will never understand people like the Koch brothers.What is wrong with them?
pinkpantheroz : FYI, all. Now you all have sprung forward, this weekend in OZ we fall back, so I need to figure out how to make Vox Pop next weekend. May have to set an alarm! these time zone thingys are a pain. well, I’ve gotta do the chores so I’ll sign off. thanks and goodnight to you all.
AdLib : Beatlex – It has gotten almost to the point of a complete breakdown, the U.S. Government has been sabotaged by the wealthy who want a weakened government so they can run wild over the citizens.
Beatlex : We have the same problem.BUT,our process works better than America’s IMO
AdLib : Beatlex – I really agree, the level of ignorance among US citizens is astounding!
pinkpantheroz : Night, KT. Stay warm.
Beatlex : Hi guys,just as in Canada,the majority of your population doesn’t tune in or care about politics.Civics classes should be mandatory in school.Most people are F’n clueless.And now you have the SCOTUS legislating from the bench.What a mess
AdLib : KT – Sleep well! See you tomorrow!
KillgoreTrout : Well folks, time for me to hit the hay. Hope to see you on the music thread tomorrow. Peace.
KillgoreTrout : Ad, think of how many people will have benefited from the ACA by then.
KillgoreTrout : That’s how politically stupid the Kochs and the baggers are. Their big money plan didn’t work so well in 2012, did it?
AdLib : I’ll tell you this though, I think Dems are positioned to crush Repubs in 2016.
AdLib : KT – And in the face of that, seeing the Koch/GOP politician commercials vowing to kill the ACA will actually be great Dem ads.
KillgoreTrout : Absolutely Ad. I’m sure there are and will be many similar stories.
AdLib : KT – That’s great to hear and the kind of story that will play out with many more people between now and November. Something pundits don’t understand or appreciate.
KillgoreTrout : I recently read a piece about an Ohio couple where the husband came down with cancer and how their insurance screwed them when it came time to make good on the policy. A navigator for the ACA fixed them up with a a way to get covered by medicaid. They previosly were anti-Obama, but now they really changed their minds about the president. Funny how quickly things change when bad things hit too close to home.
AdLib : glenn – I saw that, Cruz invited people to unload their opinions on the ACA and he got flooded with positive stories! That is reality, not the “Americans don’t like it!” Some don’t like the term “Obamacare” because Repubs have made it toxic in many minds but they like every actual policy of the ACA. That’s the key to the 2014 election, advertising the policies Repubs want to kill.
glenn : Ad–Well, that bumper sticker is technically correct–if you know nothing, then you can never be wrong! LOL
KillgoreTrout : No way glenn.
glenn : KT and AD–Did you see that Ted Cruz ran a poll on the ACA, and wanted people to trash it? Instead he got people saying how the ACA had helped them! I’ll bet we won’t see the “results” of that poll any time soon!
AdLib : glenn – They’ve done everything but wear bumper stickers on their foreheads that say, “WE KNOW NOTHING AND WE’RE NEVER WRONG!”.
glenn : AdLib–I think you’re right that die-hard republican voters are not convinceable. Between 50 votes to repeal the ACA, and numerous hearings on Benghazi, not to mention the money spent on those hearings, you can’t convince repubs that they’re wrong on anything.
AdLib : glenn – That is kind of funny but won’t happen, the Baggrs will never sign off on an actual ACA alternative because they’re like Paul Ryan, Ayn Rand goofballs who think that the poor and unemployed should be screwed.
KillgoreTrout : Considering how the elderly are generally sticklers for voting, they just might vote dem majority. Especially because of the ACA. That’s why the GOPers are fighting so hard to repeal it.
pinkpantheroz : Ad, we really need those going into ACA, who live in GOP-cotrolled areas, to really make it clear to their reps that repealing ACA is a sure way to lose ones seat!
AdLib : ppo – I don’t think Repub voters are “convinceable” , they are lost causes. Non-thinkers and blind followers. However, it is the indie voter that Dems should be targeting with this.
glenn : AdLib–But, by November, the repubs could have their health plan ready–you know the one that allows people with pre-existing conditions to have insurance, the one that allows children to stay on their parents’ insurance until age 26, the one that says that insurance companies can’t place caps on insurance coverage. You know, the one that sounds exactly like the ACA, but it’s passed by republicans.
pinkpantheroz : I can’t get over the blind ( and unearned) faith in the GOPTP ‘faithful’. How can Dems ram home the advantages of their policies and show the lying liars for what they are? Surely there is some way to achieve that.
AdLib : KT – McConnell should be ahead in polls at this point, as the incumbent. And he’s not. He could win, it’s not a sure thing but I think Grimes will beat him.
KillgoreTrout : I sure hope McConnell loses. I’m sick of that old turtle.
AdLib : By Nov, there could be 15 million Americans who have health insurance through the ACA…and faced with campaigns by Repubs to take it away from them, there sure could be a lot bigger turnout to vote for Dems and keeping their insurance.
glenn : PPO–I think the repubs are just as scared to vote for a minimum wage raise as they are of the ACA. Because if the minimum wage passes, the economy will improve, and once again, all of their “economic experts” will be proven wrong.
AdLib : glenn – Agreed, there is a big disconnect between reality and these projections. I think Mitch McConnell is likely to lose and a number of iffy Dem seats could bounce back strongly.
KillgoreTrout : Hey PPO, that’s a very good point. The success of the ACA is crutial to dem victories.
pinkpantheroz : I sincerely hope that more Latinos and AfrAms come to the party, as I feel that the ACA has been a real help to them. Not to mention if the Minimum Wage raises.
AdLib : glenn – I do think there’s a chance of that but Dems have already gained most of the possible swing districts though some remain. Whether pundits or Repubs like it, time moves on, events happen and situations change. Where things are now is not where they will be after a concerted Dem campaign nationally so I am keeping hopeful.
KillgoreTrout : I do too Ad. The pudnuts have been wrong before.
glenn : Ad–I hope you’re right. I can’t understand how the pundits are saying the repubs will gain seats when all of their rhetoric is being exposed as lies–especially as more and more people sign up for insurance.
AdLib : KT – And the women’s vote is not swinging Repub as it did in 2010. I think pundits are wrong in thinking this will be similar to 2010.
KillgoreTrout : Absolutely glenn. Their children do give them an emotional boost.
glenn : Ad–I’d love to see the Dems do more than hold onto the Senate; I’d like to see them gain more seats in the House. Do you think there’s a chance of that?
glenn : KT–Good to hear. I’m sure your presence is giving her renewed energy. I just visited my mom for her 88th birthday. She is wheelchair bound and in a nursing home, but everytime I visit her, with my brother and sister, she wants to go all over (the nursing home and grounds).
KillgoreTrout : Ad, in 2010, most of the LGBT community was pouting over DADT and same sex marriage. They should be fully on board now.
KillgoreTrout : We’re doing OK. She is doing pretty well. She’s a real power house in the mornings. Hard to slow her down.
AdLib : glenn – I’ve read mixed reports about 2010, some say that Dem turnout was not poor but that indies swung hard to Repubs. I don’t think that will be the case this time so I do think Dems have a good opportunity to push back and hold onto the Senate.
glenn : KT–didn’t get a chance to ask with my cookies under discussion. How are you? How is your mom?
glenn : Good night Murph. Sleep well.
AdLib : Get some rest Murph! Seeya later!
KillgoreTrout : Take it easy Murph.
glenn : AdLib and Murph–I’m hoping Dems don’t repeat the debacle of 2010 and stay home. Supposedly, the problem in 2010 was that Dems thought we had it wrapped. Now, I’m worried that with the ACA numbers increasing, once again, Dems will sit on their duffs! I did vote in the 2010 elections, and definitely will vote this year also!
AdLib : Murph – True but if Dem Senators and Obama don’t want a Repub Senate for 2 years to go along with a Repub House, they will be very motivated to rally the troops.
MurphTheSurf3 : Folks, am more tired than I thought. It has been a draining week. So I am heading out Good night all.
AdLib : glenn – Yes, and he said that the only “original” idea they have is…trying to repeal Obamacare for the 50th time. History will not be kind to the GOP.
MurphTheSurf3 : Ad..IF the Dems can get turnout….there ‘s the rub.
AdLib : Murph – Right now, the odds may favor Repubs but Dems have hardly started their efforts. Not surprising Repubs start off with an advantage in off year elections but if Dems can get turnout, they can overcome it because their numbers are greater.
glenn : Ad–Thanks for the link–I will follow it later–right now, I’m staying put while I can join in the conversation.
glenn : Ad–I really loved the President’s speech this week–especially where he described the republican agenda–I can’t seem to find the exact quote, but PBO summed it up, something like, “the republicans want to take away all the programs for the poor, cut taxes to the rich, give more to the rich, and expect it to trickle down to the rest of us.”
KillgoreTrout : Well. all their money didn’t help them much in the last presidential election. The mid-terms may be another matter.
KillgoreTrout : Thanks Ad. I did hear something about that yesterday. Goodbye democracy!
MurphTheSurf3 : Ad…here’s the thing…the electoral map for 2014 favors the GOP…to keep the Senate…we are going to have to overcome that map and the places to do that are among the densest I know
AdLib : KT – That’s the SCOTUS decision throwing out political donor limits.
AdLib : glenn – Here’s a link that will walk you through it: «link»
KillgoreTrout : glenn, I’m not familiar with that decision.
glenn : KT–I was referring to the McCutcheon decision–let the money flow!
KillgoreTrout : glenn, what is the SCOTUS doing, or not doing now?
AdLib : Murph, PPO and I were chatting below about Obama getting two big wins this week, between recouping all the jobs Bush and the econimic crash lost in private business and over 10 million now insured under the ACA, love watching the Repubs scatter like cockroaches for cover.
glenn : Ad–Internet Explorer. So now that I know what my browser is, how do I clear my cookies? Thanks for being patient with me.
glenn : Murph (and everyone)–I’m going to join in the discussion while I can. The ACA numbers are looking good! SCOTUS, on the other hand, seem to have an agenda. And, I don’t understand it–what difference does it make to them? They’re not elected, and once put on the SCOTUS, it’s pretty damn hard to get them off. So, why won’t they follow the Constitution, and the law?
MurphTheSurf3 : ALL Is anyone watching “Vice” a new HBO news show….reportin g on things no one else touches…very powerful.
AdLib : glenn – What program do you use for the internet? Internet Explorer, Safari, Firefox?
MurphTheSurf3 : Glenn- not you, your cookies
AdLib : Murph – KT beat me to it!
glenn : Ad–this is how illiterate I am. What is my browser?
KillgoreTrout : Murph, if they are, their republican cookies.
AdLib : glenn – Which browser do you use? Always a good thing to clear your cookies periodically, lots of sites track your activity and tag you for ads otherwise.
glenn : Murph–I’m not half-baked! Although some of my cookies may be half-assed!
MurphTheSurf3 : Ad…are corrupted cookies half baked?
glenn : Ad–I’m pretty computer illiterate, but I see my posts are now getting through. However, how do I “clear my cookies?”
KillgoreTrout : Hey Murph and glenn.
AdLib : glenn – Sorry about that! You need to clear your cookies in your browser, one cookie is corrupted and that’s what causes that issue. Oh…looks like the cookie was overwritten and fixed?
MurphTheSurf3 : KT…hi
glenn : Ad and everyone–Hey everyone! Finally, a post went through!
MurphTheSurf3 : Hello Glenn. You got through.
KillgoreTrout : Pretty good Ad, if we could get some real Spring temps.
MurphTheSurf3 : Ad and PPO Sorry, phone call….we are mounting a big push around medicaid expansion on top of the ACA numbers but getting a turnout of working poor outside the cities is very difficult to do…AND THIS SPEAK TO THE DISCUSSION YOU ALL ARE HAVING RIGHT NOW about the very people most hurt by the GOP remaining loyal to them
glenn : Ad–I’m trying to post, but every time I do, the message comes up from “Info”–“I don’t like SPAM.”
AdLib : Hey KT! How are things on the Cape?
KillgoreTrout : Hey Planet peeps. What’s up?
AdLib : ppo – I actually don’t think they do have brilliant legal minds. I haven’t seen any evidence of Scalia or Thomas having any brilliance over legal issues. Roberts comes off as a con man, always looking for an angle to advance his agenda. Still, I haven’t heard anything brilliant from him either. These are mostly political hacks, hired by partisan Presidents to force their unpopular policies on the nation.
AdLib : ppo – Yep, with the anti-abortion legislation pushing women now to have unwanted babies or risk black market abortions, along with the slashing of education funding (and privatizing draining funds into religious schools)…the vision the Repubs have for America is so dismal and depressing, how is it attractive to the number of people that back it?
pinkpantheroz : SCOTUS, Ad? They may have brilliant legal minds, but their moral fiber leave a lot to be desired.
AdLib : Murph – I really used to think that to be on the SCOTUS one had to have a brilliant legal mind but seeing the neanderthals there, Scalia and Thomas, then Roberts passing for the “brains” of that group…it’s a travesty and so disappointing for anyone who values the legacy of America.
pinkpantheroz : Hi, Google!
pinkpantheroz : Shades of Dickensian Times, AdLib. ‘Keep ’em poor, uneducated and pregnant”!
pinkpantheroz : Right, Murph! and the problem is that hey stick their heads in the sand and refuse to listen to any type of reason. Are the Koch Brothers in any way related to Goebbels back when?
AdLib : Murph, I know, ignorance is rampant in this nation, especially in the areas where there is low spending on education. That is part of the plan for Repubs and it has been working for them.
MurphTheSurf3 : AD…And Roberts’ thinking is what passes for intellectual leadership in the GOP.
MurphTheSurf3 : Ad: “It does amaze me a bit how small minded so many people are that they would vote their hatreds and insecurities even though it often means their own suffering will come from it. I mean, do the rural and poor people voting Republican STILL believe that they will somehow be better off if Repubs won control of DC and slashed all the programs and spending on them and their community? I mean, to be frank, how stupid can people be???” HOW STUPID? HOW UNINFORMED? HOW IGNORANT? HOW FOOLED? HOW MANIPULATED? VERY. VERY. VERY. VERY. VERY.
AdLib : Murph – I like how it was put, that Roberts is basically declaring that the only type of corruption is black and white bribery. So, there is no corruption connected to money unless it is an explicit quid pro quo? So simply buying off a politician to do all your bidding isn’t corruption but buying a vote for just one issue is? There is no rational thought here.
MurphTheSurf3 : Ad…they get stale….but I am astounded at how willing so many are to keep gobbling them up….and the power of money is a key to this- with the McCutcheon ruling we are closer and closer to the Kleptocractic Plutocracy.
AdLib : It does amaze me a bit how small minded so many people are that they would vote their hatreds and insecurities even though it often means their own suffering will come from it. I mean, do the rural and poor people voting Republican STILL believe that they will somehow be better off if Repubs won control of DC and slashed all the programs and spending on them and their community? I mean, to be frank, how stupid can people be???
pinkpantheroz : Oh, Adlib, wouldn’t that be an incredible platform for Dems – Higher minimum wage AND Affordable Health care for ALL. We should be shouting from the heights ( obligingly ignoring that most other 1st World Countries already have these in place)!
AdLib : Murph – Lies sell for a while…until they get stale. If they didn’t, we’d have a President Romney. Americans are too easily deceived but as they come to see truths in their own lives, in the lives of friends and family, they begin to see through the lies.
MurphTheSurf3 : PPO- I am amazed at how short, the short term memory is of my fellow citizens. Long Term Memory? Forget about it.
AdLib : ppo – I think all they hype about Repubs winning the Senate are very premature. What will be the atmosphere in the nation in the Fall? Will people have been burned out on the “Vote for us so we can repeal Obamacare!” after it’s proven all the lies wrong by then? And are we not going to see more Repub offensiveness in campaigns? Way too early but yes, we do need to work GOTV very hard. And pushing the min wage increase is one of those issues that can really make a difference in turnout.
MurphTheSurf3 : Ad…of course they are lies….but lies sell and when those lies are so ruthlessly promoted they sell very well.
MurphTheSurf3 : PPO-right on the mark, while the House Senate will not be able to completely undo ACA, they can cause a lot of trouble- including voting a bill of impeachment in the House and having a trial in the Senate (even though it will end without a conviction). This is very serious.
pinkpantheroz : MNot that they’d listen Murph, but try and gently remind the less-than-Mighty -Mos the hole the country was in before Obama took control. And, of course, who’s watch all that happened on.
AdLib : Murph – Theirs are the responses of liars and cowards. They embraced the numbers when they were low but when they rose up in the same pattern as was seen in Romneycare, all they can do is say, “You lie!” like other Baggers have been doing for years. They are beneath contempt.
pinkpantheroz : Ad, those figures are great for the Prez., but the Dems need to keep up the push to get out the vote, or else the Evil Empire willgain the Senate.
MurphTheSurf3 : Ad:Here in Missouri the ACA numbers were spun hard as “fake, false, funky” and the job numbers were “disappointing “.
AdLib : Murph – Hope this means you’re getting some well earned rest. And how about the double Obama hit this week, job numbers back over where they were before and the ACA signups and Medicaid over 10 million people!
MurphTheSurf3 : Ad….fine….gl ad the last rush for ACA is done….
AdLib : Hey Murph! How are you this evening?
MurphTheSurf3 : Hello Pink and Ad
AdLib : Hey all, I’m ba-a-a-ack!
pinkpantheroz : Hi, Murph!
pinkpantheroz : Oops – here’s the link on MH370 : «link»
pinkpantheroz : CNN’s latest hysteria about MH370! Proof the actual aircraft existed by showing planespotter photos from 2011!
AdLib : Hey, getting close to home, be back shortly!
MurphTheSurf3 : Saying hello. “Hello.”
pinkpantheroz : Actually, I’m just pouring a coffee. Back in a couple.
AdLib : Hey ppo! I got caught in traffic and and will be back here in 10 min! Please start without me and I’ll catch up!
pinkpantheroz : All Quiet on the Western Front! sorry I’m late, but these new time zones are a pain.
AdLib : Vox Populi, our live chat about the week’s events begins tonight at 7 pm PST. Hope to see you then!