• AdLib : Well, looks like it’s about that time, to close up the Vox Pop bar for the night. Thanks to all for a rousing and fun discussion! Have a great weekend all and see you here next Friday!

  • AdLib : Will do!

  • choicelady : thanks, AdLib – you have a great weekend, too!

  • AdLib : Feel better CL! Thanks for the good news on HOPE…and HOPE you have a restful weekend, staying cozy in your home as the rain falls!

  • choicelady : Well everyone, with the sneezing and snuffling, I also think I’m packing it in. I cannot find the antihistamines, so I’m worse than useless. Good night – may everyone get the rain they want and end the snow they don’t. May your dreams come true! Good night!

  • AdLib : Night Murph!

  • AdLib : Sorry I was gone for a bit, I’m back!

  • choicelady : good night, Murph!

  • choicelady : Murph – thank you for hanging in for all these months getting people enrolled. You ARE changing lives. Thank you!

  • choicelady : Murph – my heroine of the hour is Diane Ravich who was Bush’s appointee to promote the destruction of public ed, teachers/ unions, etc. and wound up their champion. She purely ROCKS does Diane! Since our mayor is married to the horrific Michelle Rhee who hates public ed, loves privatization, despises public employees esp. teachers, I follow Ravich faithfully for her great, good sense. Rhee is despicable.

  • pinkpantheroz : Sleep wll, Murph

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Well I need to pack it up. Early morning at the call center awaits.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : CL..my experience as well. I worked in the urban center in Chicago at a similar place= only for HS kids.

  • choicelady : Murph – I worked at Flanner House, the oldest Black settlement house in America in Indianapolis. We had preschool for inner city kids with an eye to preparing them to do well. It was an amazing place to be – until the GOP killed OEO and all the programs. Those families wanted their kids to succeed, no matter how poor or uneducated the parents were. They were no different from white blue collar people. The pressure to dumb down came from scared white elites who did not want that at all. Not for minority kids, not for blue collar kids. And we let it happen through the 70s until now.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : CL…there are many forces at work in the dumbing down.

  • choicelady : Murph and PPO – allow me to observe that the pressure for dumbing down is NOT coming from minorities but from white suburbanites. It is why my mother retired in the 1970s! She could no longer tolerate the demands from parents that their little precious not be troubled to learn any damn thing. I believer slackers were born in that movement.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Pink…I have a friend who is a curriculum coordinator in a large high school in Indiana who says that the dumbing down of the curriculum is now so blatant that it is spoken of openly. She says we have reached the tipping point and it is now easy to blame the students and their parent which makes even more “accommodation ” necessary.

  • choicelady : PPO – we will always have that class battle. The one thing working against it is the observation from fairly conservative (not GOP necessarily) forces that the loss of skill and reasoning is destroying American capacity that cannot be replaced overseas. Suddenly I see people waking up to that – and I think it’s a tipping point for good.

  • choicelady : Murph – well Akins showed it doesn’t always work, so let’s keep on keeping on.

  • pinkpantheroz : Choice, you’re quite right on the education front. It has always been the goal of the 1% to ensure they have enough poorly educated minions to do the grunt work, either here or overseas. A well educated workforce is anathema to most of them, because labor costs would cut into their indecent profits. BUT, maybe the new up-and coming tech wizzes will change that. The sooner the old farts die out, maybe the better. Saying that, though, Wall St. is a great incubator for the young greedy, isn’t it. Wow, talking against myself, here!

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Sorry Sab….

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Choice….it is a good question and it is a great tactic on their part…lying for fun….and profit.

  • choicelady : Sabreen – I fear Murph may have named you Submareen forever!

  • choicelady : I figured, Sabreen, but it was very funny!

  • Sabreen60 : CL, I’m not really, but I always liked that little ditty. Good night again.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Gud Knight Submareen sweap wells

  • choicelady : Murph – what the HELL can we do about that?? How can people be that stupid?

  • choicelady : LOL!! Goodnight, Sabreen – sleep well and sleep it off! Hugs!

  • MurphTheSurf3 : CL…not only do they not get furious, the blame the Dems..the GOP is skilled at doing the dirty deed and then blaming it on the Dems

  • Sabreen60 : I am not under the afluence of inkelhol altho some thinkle peep I am. And with that good people I will say good night. Take care everyone.

  • choicelady : Sabreen – we have had a systematic decline in reasoning skill education since the 1970s. Yes – it IS deliberate because no one wanted the student and Black and Brown radicals of those times. Stress obedience, knee-jerk reactions, and feed them pablum. Ryan was right in his observations about the poor – AND TOTALLY WRONG ABOUT WHY. The culture of poverty is a CONSEQUENCE NOT A CAUSE.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : CL The temp crowd…here in Mo. there has been so little outreach that I am not sure if that group was even touched. We think we will end up with 100K signed up but THE greatest need here is the working poor.

  • choicelady : Murph – WHY DO THEY NOT GET FURIOUS THEN???

  • Sabreen60 : The sad thing is people won’t even go the ACA web site to find out for themselves. Have we always been led around by our noses?

  • choicelady : Murph – OK the temp crowd is one we were supposed to target (not my organization) via the small biz group. Do not know if we made any dent.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Sab…I meet folks everyday who are having their futures stolen from them by government policy….in this state GOP policy and they are faithful republicans.

  • choicelady : Sabreen – brava! We have to keep on keeping on with every single person we meet.

  • choicelady : AdLib – people really ARE brainwashed. They think it will cost thousands because the idiots even on NPR do not talk about what it is with SUBSIDIES. That’s the part I hate about Jimmy Carter – he says it’s “too complicated” which is BS. It’s not – it’s quite simple. But people get scared at what they THINK it will cost not realizing it depends on their income.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : CL…she works for a temp agency specializing in medical staffing…and they do not insure….insane

  • AdLib : CL – Very cool! That all sounds great! Thanks for moving HOPE forward with Sarah! Onto Kathay!

  • Sabreen60 : Unreal Murph. How do we get these young people to inform themselves. The young lady who is my hair stylist didn’t even know there is an election in November. She doesn’t watch the news; read the newspaper or read blogs. She is totally obvious to current events. I asked her how can she not be concerned about the rights being taken away from women. She’s in her 30’s. I told her you don’t have to know everything that’s going on (if that’s to much for you), but at least know the issues that will directly impact your personal life. I know they all do, but I was trying to start somewhere with her.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Ad and she is a lab tech in a hospital

  • choicelady : Murph – that her medical environment would not GIVE insurance is despicable, and not TELL her is outrageous! I do hope she acts on it – she will be pleased!

  • AdLib : Murph – It is amazing that so many people are so lacking in curiosity and responsibility. 29 years old is well old enough to care about not having health insurance and at least checking out what they could get under the ACA.