• choicelady : Good night funk – good night AdLib. I’m now off to bed, too! And laundry tomorrow. UGH.

  • choicelady : AdALib – GG admitted knowing and working with Snowden BEFORE Snowden got the job with Booz. The NYT article on Laura Poitras showed that clearly. How then did Snowden GET the job with Booz when he had no credentials, no training, no history? THAT creeps me out – back to the fifth column issues. I think there is evidence Snowden gave info to both foreign nations – not all of it but some – but his seeking asylum and getting it has something for Putin. He’d not poke the US in the eye for nothing.

  • funksands : Thanks!

  • AdLib : Night Funk! You and the FunkFamily have a great weekend too!

  • funksands : Night everyone! Ad, take care of yourself and have a great weekend.

  • AdLib : CL – Should be an amazing time and so glad to know you’ll be there “representin’ “. Please feel free to post pictures or tweets or whatever from the march! Wish we were there!

  • AdLib : CL – We don’t know that Snowden gave China or Russia info that would have led to stopping disarmament talks. Maybe he did, maybe he didn’t but my thought is that until we know he has betrayed the US to a foreign power, my focus has to remain on how he violated the laws I know he broke while being able to appreciate how some of that has been good for the American people, helping them learn just how vast and intrusive the NSA has become.

  • choicelady : funk – oh I know the HoneyDo lists. Give ’em out all the time! To little avail… I’m sure you will find a way around some of it, right?

  • funksands : list” is expanding exponentially.

  • funksands : Cl, that sounds amazing! Have fun and be safe! I’m not far behind you. 6 in-laws coming next week and my “honey-do

  • choicelady : AdLib – Frankly, given the hostility to PBO’s administration I’d be amazed if they contractors ever listened to them at all. I’m seeing this as another possible way to undermine the administration deliberately.

  • choicelady : Well folks, I have laundry to do to get ready for DC. I am headed to the REAL 50th march – PBO will speak. The original marchers will be there, and I and my little sign will be lost in the crowd but present. I was too young in 1963. Hope I’m not too old now! Good shoes, sun screen, water. I will report in two weeks!

  • AdLib : CL – I absolutely agree, contractors should be cut out of the loop from now on. If this is truly top secret government information, it should only be accessed by our government because contractors are accountable to no one. What I can’t say though is that some in the Obama Admin have not approved of some of these violations…I find it hard to believe that this was not known and possibly directed by government officials.

  • choicelady : good night Murph! Thank you for your work via the coop for that family and everything you brought us here!

  • choicelady : AdLib – NOT if Snowden has given info to China and Russia or enough that it stopped nuclear disarmament talks. Then he did real harm, not real good. The revelations about NSA over-reach by Booz could have been the focus. It has not been. It SHOULD BE.

  • funksands : Night Murph!

  • AdLib : Night Murph, sleep well!

  • choicelady : AdLib – I will read the NYT story later. But if FISA is saying NSA is not following the law, the issue for me is firing Booz NOW and turning this over to sworn government people who will NOT be fly by night contractors who evade Constitutional limits. But – we HAVE those limits back in place, and the court itself is trying to uphold them.

  • AdLib : Several things can be true. The NSA has been proven to be violating the Constitution and our 4th Amendment but Snowden also violated the law by leaking what he has. All sides are breaking laws but in Snowden’s case, it may have ended up being to the benefit of Americans to learn the lawbreaking of their government.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : My dear friends- heading off to bed now…this has been an excellent discussion.

  • choicelady : AdLib – that’s powerful to know, thank you.

  • choicelady : funk – sorry, pressed the wrong key. IF the Snowden documents have been given to China and Russia and if as good people are saying they have stalled or stopped nuclear disarmament talks, that is a serious BAD result. It is why these revelations needed to be done with great sifting of data and NOT a dump.

  • AdLib : CL – The news about the FISA courts finding the NSA unconstitutional ly violating Americans rights to privacy came from FOI requests.

  • choicelady : funk – that may well be, but for those of us ‘out here’ the issue of responsible revelation looms large.