• AdLib : Sorry all, got sidelined putting my little one to bed. After today’s terrible events, I took my time enjoying her breaths and sweetness. Wishing everyone love and peace…

  • choicelady : funk – Thank you! It’s been scary. I just don’t know what to expect, and that’s even scarier. I appreciate the vibes!

  • funksands : CL, I had no idea! I’ll carve off a healthy chunk of good vibes for your husband on Monday.

  • choicelady : OK – the computer is getting balky, so I’m also bidding all adieu. Have a grand weekend. And everyone please – send good thoughts my way Monday? My husband is having a PET scan to see if he has major heart problems. I personally am rooting for a hernia. (One gets weird with these things.) So all energies, gratefully accepted! Hope to talk with you soon.

  • funksands : Kes, CL have a restful night. I hope you thoughts are untroubled tonight…

  • choicelady : kes – good night, dear friend. Sweet dreams and good rest. Keep us posted on retirement plans!

  • glenn : KT and Kes–good night. I’m “signing off” too.

  • choicelady : funk – my chiropractor is going to Bali. Too bad you aren’t – I’d get you to meet!

  • kesmarn : I think I may head off to bed as well. Prayers for all the little ones…everywher e…God bless them all.

  • funksands : Mmm that’s a little colder. Head back west from Tahiti

  • choicelady : KT – have a good rest. Hope to talk to you over the weekend. Thank you for being you – your compassion just shine through this anguish. GOOD MAN!

  • kesmarn : Tahiti.

  • kesmarn : Good night, KT. Try to rest.

  • funksands : Night KT. Take care of yourself!

  • funksands : Kes, warmer….

  • choicelady : funk – can you share info on where you’re headed? Hope it’s someplace neat!

  • kesmarn : Bali?

  • KillgoreTrout : Well good people, I too must retire for the evening. I’ve commenting all day on this horrid tragedy. See you tomorrow.

  • choicelady : funk dear – you’re a GREAT human being. Do NOT beat yourself up about this! Get him to talk about it all – a warm and friendly ear may be what HE really needs now. Cannot have been easy down there.

  • funksands : A leeetle further away Kes

  • kesmarn : Headed for the Jersey shore, funk? [smiley]

  • funksands : I’ll just tell him I’m leaving for vacation tomorrow. That’ll make me feel better [smiley]

  • kesmarn : Oh dear, funk…. You are far from being a douchebag. Maybe a funk sandbag…? Anyway — how were you to know?

  • funksands : KT, I know…but

  • choicelady : funk – Sorry that happened to you! Just when I get righteous, that’s when I screw up! It’s OK – you’re just being human!!! Send him a bottle of something he’d like, and forgive yourself. It’s OK!

  • KillgoreTrout : Well funk, it’s not like you knew.

  • funksands : Sheesh, my day keeps getting worse. I called a friend of mine for the third time and was totally busting his balls on his voicemail for not getting back to me. He just left a voicemail for me that he was sorry he hadn’t called me, but he’d been busy for the last 5 weeks doing clean-up in New Jersey after Sandy. [smiley] I feel like a total douchebag…

  • kesmarn : From your lips to God’s ear, c’lady. Michigan needs to pull out of this tailspin. “Punch the putscher” right out of office.

  • choicelady : Sabreen – I hope you CAN sleep. Be well and yes, give hugs. We’re sending ours to you, too. Sweet dreams for you!

  • KillgoreTrout : Sleep tight Sabreen. Tomorrow is a new day.

  • choicelady : glenn – it’s one big reason I gave up teaching at those grade levels. Too much pain in very small people that did NOT need to exist.

  • kesmarn : Will do, Sabreen. Good night. Rest if you can.

  • choicelady : kes – yesssss. America is resembling Weimar Germany more and more. I just want to make sure it does not resemble POST Weimar Germany! Michigan is scary because what happened there is a putsch. What happened on the RTW appears to be ILLEGAL since their Constitution gives the power to alter labor laws to a commission that was in no way involved in the change. I hope the courts smack the Governor and Legislature DOWN!

  • glenn : G’night sabreen.

  • Sabreen60 : Well folks I’m going to call it a night – unless I can’t sleep. Anyway hope to see you on Twitter or back here. Take care and by all means hug your kids – even your grown kids.

  • KillgoreTrout : CL, that is so sad.

  • glenn : CL–You’re so right. I taught the early elementary grades for many years, and it’s so sad to see those kids come to school with so many problems, yet so much promise, only to watch them get to 3rd or 4th grade and become behavior problems because they just can’t cope.

  • choicelady : KT – I understand. I’ve known four people who chose to die because they could no longer deal with their pain. NOT blaming them – but they got very little help. The darkness took them when there was nowhere to turn.

  • KillgoreTrout : Private prison’s business model is, the more people you incarcerate, the more money you make. That is just deplorable here in the 21st century.

  • kesmarn : Yes, c’lady. Hmmmm…where else have we seen the disabled, the mentally ill, the “unfit” cast aside? 1930’s…? Europe…?

  • KillgoreTrout : People who successfully battle mental illness are some of the strongest people on earth. It also takes a lot of courage. Unfortunately too many take their own lives and those of others.

  • choicelady : glenn and kes – the treatment of “the least of these” in this country is disgusting. Our competitive model means if you have special needs, you’re just garbage to be tossed out.

  • funksands : CL, the Denmark program is the Flagship of the program. They are dipping their toe into the US. The economy slowed them down a bit.

  • choicelady : funk – THANK YOU. I sent that on to my husband. MUCH appreciated!

  • kesmarn : Right, KT. On this Charlie Rose program, there’s a military guy on who’s been successfully treated for PTSD. He seems far from “weak.” Very sane!

  • funksands : Private prisons have convinced some community leaders that their constituents are more valuable to the economy in prison rather than out of it. Humans as commodity.

  • Sabreen60 : CL, I have a friend who is a teacher. During the late 90’s at the height of the crack epidemic, many of her 1st and 2nd graders had emotional problems who had been crack babies. What has happened to these kids can’t be good.

  • KillgoreTrout : It’s the stigma attached to mental illness. Far too many people see it as a weakness and not an illness. Too many people think mental illness can’t be treated properly. Assholes.

  • kesmarn : Agree, KT. Private prisons should be abolished.

  • glenn : CL–As a former teacher, I’ve seen many of the fetal alcohol syndrome kids, too. They never get as much help as they need, and are labeled “failures” at such an early age because they can’t pass those stupid tests!

  • kesmarn : Yes, the stigma does continue, c’lady.

  • funksands : Choice, you’d love the Specialisterne program. They just located in the US: «link»

  • choicelady : KQ – in China they hack up girls. Boys pretty much not.

  • choicelady : Oh kes – that’s horrible. We passed a mental health local funding proposition only to see the money diverted to other things, so yeah, same problem. Too many of us (and I’m NOT immune) think those with mental problems should just “snap out of it”.

  • KillgoreTrout : Private prisons should be abolished. Rich bastards making money from the sorrows and misfortunes of others. Private prisons actually exchange in the stock market. It’s 21st century slavery.

  • choicelady : Sabreen – at various times I’ve been a court advocate or observer. Most of the young men of color have conspicuous fetal alcohol syndrome. That gets VERY little attention. They are PHYSICALLY impaired in their ability to govern their actions. Horrible. So we lock ’em up and do NOT treat them – and they can be treated.

  • kesmarn : K-Sick cut the mental health budget in Ohio by 46% this year. You can hardly believe the folks wandering the streets with serious mental illness now.

  • choicelady : funk – check with Arc (I think it’s NOT all caps) here. I’ll write to you to talk with my husband about it.

  • Sabreen60 : KQ, I remember Reagan doing that and mentioned it on TOD. Many of the young black and brown men in prison need therapy. The courts don’t take into account that many have mental illness and far too many are illiterate. Of course, folks get super rich off the privatization of the prisons.

  • KQµårk 死神 : In China they just hack up kids with knives.

  • funksands : CL, thanks. Thankfully our son will be able to live with us forever if he needs to, but many of our friends are simply living on borrowed time…

  • choicelady : glenn – no need to be sorry! Funny! Just too over my head tonight, I fear!

  • kesmarn : Thanks, glenn. I liked your disarmed chair analogy too!

  • choicelady : KQ – I agree about Reagan, but a lot of the abolition of mental facilities came FROM the communities of people with problems. I don’t entirely disagree, but it’s gone haywire to the point where you can’t get help for anyone who doesn’t want it until AFTER something horrible happens. That is just dumb.

  • glenn : Kes–good one on the gun nuts!

  • glenn : CL–sorry, I got carried away.

  • funksands : Ad, for sure. Give China a billion hand guns with extended clips and sit back and watch the show

  • choicelady : funk – ARC is working here and nationally to create group homes for kids with autism when they’re adults. It works. MANY ARC supporters have adult autistic kids in them. LOTS of supervision of quality is needed, but so far, so good. They are doing great things for the developmentally disabled. Keep your hopes high!

  • AdLib : Other countries have mentally ill people and sociopaths but the prolific nature of guns in America make it more likely that they will be able to act out and kill people. So though we do need more resources on mental health, guns are the main reason these killings happen.

  • KQµårk 死神 : Sabreen this was another big result of Reagan’s greed is good America. His response to the mental healthcare crisis after all the vets came home after Vietnam was to put them all on the streets.

  • funksands : Sabreen, very true words indeed

  • kesmarn : And that is just not right, funk. We need to create alternatives.

  • glenn : sabreen-Ain’t that the truth? about the therapy, I mean.

  • funksands : There are two places for the mentally ill: Their parent’s home or jail. That’s where most kids like my son with autism will end up when their parents run out of money and/or health.

  • choicelady : kes – LOL!!! VERY fine indeed!

  • choicelady : glenn dear – you’re bordering on the metaphysical here! Arm chair, armless chair, gun in your underpants. Too much for me on a Friday night!

  • kesmarn : Well…it might save on the expense to the taxpayer for vasectomies for gun nuts (pun intended)…

  • KQµårk 死神 : CL I have high future expectations once people get use to Obamacare. It will help allot of problems like these with all the preventative care people can get including mental health care.

  • Sabreen60 : Too many states have cut back on funding mental health institutions and programs. So people who are mentally challenged are walking the streets. I heard a psych say there are more people with mentally unstable walking the streets then are in institutions. Also, from an early age children need to learn conflict resolution. In fact, adults need to learn. Too many people are angry because they think their lives are shitty and take it out on whomever. We need some serious therapy in this country.

  • choicelady : KT, kes – well then we can REALLY test whether the adage about big gun, tiny… Is it true?

  • kesmarn : Thanks again, c’lady. A couple of managers at the hospital have asked me to come back on an as-needed basis. We’ll see…

  • glenn : CL–Dirty Harry with his .357 magnum in his shorts talking to a chair. Would we have to arm the chair, too? Or, could it be an armless chair?

  • funksands : KQ, I hear Key West is looking for a king.

  • KQµårk 死神 : Actually Funk If I was King I would invade an island paradise and retire there but that’s just me. [smiley]

  • choicelady : kes – Dirty Harry and his 357 Magnum in his shorts? LOL!!!

  • funksands : How about all guns you want, but they must be painted in a rainbow color?

  • KillgoreTrout : Hey, is that a gun in your pants, or are you just glad to see me?

  • bito : Wow, working for a hospice group is a huge jump!

  • kesmarn : Anytime, funk. That should be nice and comfy for ’em when they carry to church and sit on those wooden pews.

  • choicelady : KQ – Not a bad idea! BTW – last I heard, federal health reform makes MENTAL health equal in coverage to physical health. Can you imagine how much good that can do????? No limits on your coverage!

  • KillgoreTrout : bito, we really need to change the old mindset that if guns illegal, only criminals will have guns. That is the basic, most used reason against gun laws. There are things we need to do too. Like promoting the social contract and some form of secular spirituality, and of course mental illness.

  • funksands : Kes, good idea!

  • kesmarn : And if it’s concealed carry, funk, it must be in your underwear.

  • glenn : Hi KQ–Some states would try to circumvent; perhaps we need to work on the ones who won’t. I do think you have hit on part of the problem.

  • choicelady : kes- GO for it!!! If you get bored, you can do private nursing, work for a hospice group, do public health clinics part time – but getting your life for YOU is a GOOD thing!

  • funksands : If I was king, I’d let everyone own as many guns as they want. But for every gun you own you have to strap a 50 pound weight to your back.

  • choicelady : funk – the myths of the frontier loom. John Wayne has a LOT to answer for. Most people had no guns on the frontier – too costly. The OK Corral was exceptional. Shootouts are Hollywood ONLY, and today we have Rambo wannabes who would be the first to hit the dirt. Life is not fiction. Wishful thinking is dangerous.

  • bito : And I would say to the states” What, you guys want to suoourt the criminals with your lax ammo laws, kT

  • KillgoreTrout : kes, that’s all any of us can do. All we really have is today. Yesterday’s gone and tomorrow hasn’t arrived yet.

  • kesmarn : c’lady…in short. ASAP.

  • KQµårk 死神 : I can cut down gun violence in 5 minutes if I was King. Tax MJ use and put it toward psych treatment.

  • choicelady : kes – do you have a time frame for retiring?