• AdLib : Thanks CL! Hope I win a chocolate gold medal tomorrow for the water balloon toss!

  • AdLib : Thanks so much CL! BTW, thanks for the background on Simone. It does sound like she is best where she is right now and you are best where you are, far away from her.

  • SueInCa : Oh holy shit CL that kind of thing just rubs me the wrong way. The pope is in bed with the RR you know.

  • choicelady : Have a great evening, Sue. Enjoy the shows and Anthony! AdLib – I think I will pack it in, too. I see funk is offline, so we should spring you to prepare for the BD party AND Father’s Day. Have a great weekend!

  • SueInCa : AL I will. Night CL reading your comment then I am out like a lightbulb

  • AdLib : Hey Sue, that sounds like fun! Have a great evening and say hi to that clever son of yours for me!

  • choicelady : Sue – no she has NOTHING to do with the molestations. The entire body of nuns in America are under Vatican investigation for focusing on the poor and sick and NOT using all their time prattling on about abortion and the evils of homosexuality. Simone is right to point out that the nuns on the streets ARE carrying out the church’s teachings. After all, is the Church asking the abortion clinic protesters if they are feeding the poor children who are here? No. Do they challenge their rich donors who are pro-capital punishment? No. The VAtican is on their case because NETWORK as an organization and the body of nuns that follow NETWORK supported the Obama health reform. THAT was the unforgiveable sin – dissenting from the Bishops’ position because the nuns said abortions could not and would not be covered by federal health reform when the Bishops were all atwitter that it would. NETWORK was right – but they were not sufficiently deferential to The Boys.

  • SueInCa : Ok I think I am about burnt for the day. time to put on Fresh Prince and watch some boob tube with Anthony. He is discovering all the old shows my kids watched.

  • SueInCa : …I really really have not been watching the talk shows

  • SueInCa : In Catechism if you did not listen you got a rap with a ruler. What investigation? The molestations? Do you trust she will do the right thing?

  • choicelady : AdLib – she IS doing a good job. I just have lots of scars from her acid tongue lashings. She always stole the limelight and kicked out any other opinions and ideas that weren’t hers. So she’s the perfect person for this role – but i NEVER want to be within 40 yards of her ever again.

  • choicelady : Sue – she’s not pushy that way. She’s rapaciously power hungry. She trashed ALL of us who worked in the same arenas, and no one was sorry to see her go. I do admire her work now in relation to this stupid investigation, but I KNOW her soft-spoken stance is a game. She’s eating this up. And any other nun who might have a different view – crushed under Sr. Simone’s feet. She tore strips off all of us. And we’re used to her predecessor who took NO hostages in the legislature – but she never was mean and never took anything away from the rest of us. Simone is a scary control freak.

  • SueInCa : AL it is pointless. I know a few really mellow republicans and we have some lively conversations. My aunt is a Tricky dick republican and even she has mellowed moving back to CA

  • AdLib : CL – I really like that nun! She is brilliant and charming and so damn right. She’s doing great and I like that she’s being backed up by so many others. The whole idea that championing the central work and message of Jesus is an attack on the Catholic Church says volumes about the church and the Pope.

  • SueInCa : CL we were Catholic until I turned 8 then my mom changed religions. Uh oh didn’t Palin do the same? OMG I am her twin sister. Not likely

  • SueInCa : A pushy nun? Who would have thought? Ever been dinged in the head by one? I have

  • AdLib : Sue – I like that and am with you on that. I no longer have conversations with people who are Republicans once they start playing the Fox tape recorder in their head. What’s the point? As I often say, you can’t use reason to change the opinion of someone who didn’t use reason to obtain it.

  • choicelady : AdLib – Hooo – that is GREAT! That’s about the level the Pope would aspire to! George Bush indeed!

  • choicelady : AdLib – you know the nun who is the spokesperson for those being investigated? She’s made the talk show rounds. Her name is Simone Campbell. She was here, and at one time we were friends. She is coming off VERY well, very respectful and measured but sure and steadfast in her devotion to core values of healing the sick, tending the poor. Well – I no longer am friends with her. She is a bitch and several of us who worked with her were REALLY glad she left Sacto for DC. She is very power hungry. I do think she’s doing amazingly well at standing up to “The Boys” as she calls the bishops. But I know this was the moment she’s been waiting for – being in the public eye, being THE figurehead. And I’m very supportive. But I never want to see her again. EVER.

  • AdLib : CL – I agree that technology has accelerated the movement to intransigence and self-righteousne ss. Isn’t that at the heart of what’s wrong with our political and social worlds today? People can’t work together because they and their party need to be infallible. Compromise would be an admission of imperfection.

  • SueInCa : i turn people off if they cannot carry on a decent conversation. It is useless to try to talk to them when they only want to discuss their side of things. I have been known to also walk away.

  • AdLib : CL – I was going to add on one more sentence to that, “And who does the Pope think he is, George Bush?”

  • AdLib : CL – Now that would make for a wonderful article here! Exploring the psychological need to be right and how that has disintegrated being able to have conversations and compromises.

  • choicelady : AdLib – asking if W is the Pope might not be a good example. The Pope ain’t too hot these days!

  • choicelady : AdLib – I think that pursuit of being right is actually quite pathological in our society. The NY Times had a feature a few weeks ago about the ‘death of conversation’. The author attributed it to electronics, but I think the electronics are the escape valve from the pre-existing condition of nasty one-upmanship. Why have conversations when the point is to triumph and never learn? Kids are afraid of that – and I can see why? How can you discuss anything when you’re always being pounced upon? Tweets are perfect – short and sweet, and you can block your critics. Even email is too intimate sometimes. If we’d give up being mean, it might open a world to all of us! That’s why the progressive blogs like this that insist on civility are so important. Conversation!

  • AdLib : Sue – Well, generally we’re out around 10 but as long as a conversation is going, the VP bar stays open.

  • AdLib : Sue – Right. I mean, remember Bush was asked once what mistakes he wished he could do differently and claimed that he couldn’t think of any mistakes he made. Really? You’re the pope?

  • SueInCa : BRB when is last call AL?

  • SueInCa : CL if you can sew a blouse you are pretty good

  • SueInCa : David Barton comes to mind AL

  • AdLib : CL – Man, you hit a sore spot for me. The need to be right by people, especially in families but of course, also in politics. People can do and say some pretty regrettable things solely in the pursuit of “being right”. Some will lie, rewrite history or deny something that you personally witnessed, a silly thing to try and be dishonest about, yet being right is sometimes all that matters.

  • choicelady : Sue – oh, yeah. Seam ripping sucks! I used to sew and have a machine, but I don’t do much anymore. I should – I can’t find any of the blouses I like anymore. I could make them.

  • SueInCa : Dang CL you know what work it is to rip a seam out> I threw one garment away and my mom dragged it out of the garbage but she let it go because it was HER sister

  • SueInCa : AL that was funny.

  • choicelady : Sue – yeah, the need to correct instead of help is not a good, warm and fuzzy impulse.

  • AdLib : Sue – Yep, the LA Kings.

  • SueInCa : CL my aunt was like that she was a teacher too. She got married finally and actually chilled out but I tell you I would barely speak to her. She would watch me sew a seam all wrong then tell me when I was done. How bitchy is that?

  • choicelady : Sue – I love hockey. Not the fights, but the game itself is amazingly interesting.

  • AdLib : Sue – I heard a humorous political talk show on an NPR station today (KPPC) and one guy was going off on why MSNBC has SE Cupp on because she’s such an ignorant hack. He said he emailed Alex Wagner and said, “I’m dumber than SE Cupp, can I be on your show?”

  • SueInCa : Are the Kings in LA?

  • choicelady : AdLib – my mother taught 5th grade. She was a grammatical imperialist. And since, to the core she was a bitch, I got a great deal of satisfaction out of noting that she carried for life a regionalism – she called the absence of rain a “drouth.” It’s Drought. She thought anyone who spoke regionalisms was so beneath her contempt, but she perpetrated that one her whole life. So finally I gave as good as she dished out! Now what kind of relationship rests on THAT idiotic one-upmanship? She HAD to be right, and I was sick of being eternally WRONG. Stupid, both of us.

  • AdLib : I’ve been to one hockey game in my life many years ago, expected to be bored but enjoyed it at the time. It’s not a sport I would typically enjoy watching on tv but I would’ve liked to see the Kings win.

  • SueInCa : That is one way to think of her. Who the hell is her compatriot> she has no business on these shows she adds nothing and takes up space

  • SueInCa : CL never fear I would never go to a hockey game. I don’t like violence

  • AdLib : Sue – You mean S E Cupp, as in So Empty Cupp.

  • AdLib : CL – Indeed, I never like to make anyone, child or adult, feel foolish for saying something the wrong way, especially when they’re so earnest. It can discourage kids and adults from trying to express themselves with new words or ideas out of fear of humiliation. There’s always a subtle way to correct mistakes that’s constructive, I prefer that approach.

  • choicelady : Sue dear. Don’t EVER travel to a hocky town. You will be besieged by the fans. Hockey lovers do NOT understand hockey ignoramuses.

  • SueInCa : Is stnley cup related to ce cupp?

  • choicelady : AdLib – I was in Vancouver last year for the first Stanley Cup game. Was damned glad I was not there for the last one though! It was a lot of fun – they won, and everyone was in such great spirits!

  • SueInCa : Who are the kings? and who is stanley cup? LOL LOL