• AdLib : Night my friend!

  • bito : Night AdLib

  • bito : Not the crown to win exactly, especially for the American worker.

  • AdLib : Night Bito, so glad to see you on Vox tonight! Sleep well and have a wonderful weekend!

  • bito : Night, @susand900 :-)

  • AdLib : Bito – Which proves of course that being a businessman is a liability, not a plus. Looking at Romney, I see the guy who if he was allowed to be President, which he won’t be, would be George Bush’s best friend for stealing the crown of Most Disastrous President Ever.

  • bito : We have had 2 business men as presidents, Hoover and W. How did the economy work out for them and now a third one wants to be? Yikes!

  • SueInCa : Night Bito too sounds like Dorothy

  • AdLib : Bito, looks like it’s you and me closing up the VP Saloon tonight. One for the road?

  • AdLib : Sounds great Sue! Have a wonderful weekend and sleep well!

  • bito : Night C’L

  • SueInCa : Well I think I am gonna go too. It has been fun. See ya all later and I will post the Vietnam thing on Sunday AL publish it on Monday ok?

  • AdLib : Sue – The idea of a legit populist movement that was far more desperate than OWS, needing food, health care, homes, etc. These fools know nothing about history. If they got all the policies they wanted, they would drive a movement of desperate people to come at them.

  • bito : C’L. you want me to think? :lol: It’s been awhile since I thought about FDR’s opponents.

  • AdLib : A long day for you CL and so many good works! Sleep well and have a lovely weekend!

  • SueInCa : I think it is coming AL we cannot be drones forever

  • SueInCa : AL perhaps that was PBO;s speech today following up with that nonsense as Clinton did

  • choicelady : Well folks, living it up at an art exhibit has taken its toll. I need to bid you all good night and wish you sweet dreams. I hope to see everyone here next week! Sleep well, good weekend to all!

  • AdLib : Sue – There is an small anarchic side of myself, it’s not what a truly wish but it would be fascinating to see how the plutocrats would react with a population that literally turned on them, everywhere they worked and lived.

  • bito : C’Lady, same thing in Calumet Mich, the doors were locked on the striking copper workers at their union Xmas party. Many killed and injured.

  • SueInCa : Tony and I are making our grandson laugh. He thought Tony was talking sex

  • AdLib : Bito – Kind of amusing that the Europeans are going the Hoover route in a big way and paying a massive price for it. And as Clinton said so well, the GOP which hates Europe, wants us to catch up to their double digit inflation through austerity.

  • choicelady : bito – I’ve paid little attention to FDR’s opponents after his first election. Were they Hooverites, too?

  • SueInCa : Oh does it ever Bito

  • SueInCa : No prob CL I am wearing out too. AL I always say those mansion walls can be scaled and a gated community is a joke for someone really wanting to get in

  • bito : Then we had Hoover who thought the best way to help the economy was cut, cut, cut spending and bring on austerity. Sound familiar?

  • choicelady : Sue – I am NOT running with the Bing thing! Brain is too tired for more! Maybe tomorrow?

  • AdLib : CL and Sue, that was where I was going as well. History shows us that there will always be tyrants like today’s plutocrats and corporations but also that the people they try to dominate ultimately have the power to defeat them when they come together. It’s not an “if” as much as a “when”.

  • choicelady : Sue – my whole life the Triangle disaster has haunted me. It was equalled by ONLY the people flinging themselves out windows on 9/11. Horrors. But not all that long ago a Triangle type event happened at a chicken processing plant in the Carolinas – the idiot owner chained the fire doors to “prevent theft” by the predominantly Black work force. Dozens died when a fire broke out and they could not GET out. He was found guilty of a kajillion violations and sent to jail long term. ONLY difference is that he paid. The dead were still dead.

  • SueInCa : I keep waiting AL. Maybe a sign on my car will get it started.

  • AdLib : CL – Like all tyrants, they will lose and be deposed. In the curve of history, when you’re in the midst of the battle, it may seem like there’s no end to the battle but I imagine that those fighting against slavery and in the Civil War, those fighting for women’s suffrage, against the Robber Barons, for civil rights…in the end, after the tyrants are finally defeated, it seems inevitable but in the midst, it can seem futile.

  • choicelady : Sue – that is exactly the parallel. Immigrants then and even free people of color DID rise up. It was not always successful, but it smacked down the autocracy of the railroads and industrialists. They regained ground in the 1920s, then the Depression and… I think we’re sort of early 20th century in our work and considerations. Long way to go – lots we can do.

  • SueInCa : Cl you could write a post about it. I bet you could fill up a whole page LOL. Maybe he was friends with Bing or loved White Christmas

  • SueInCa : Whe the Shirtwaist factory burned the people really went wild

  • choicelady : Sue – it is Microsoft, but why the name? Wonder if Bill and Bing are best buds?

  • SueInCa : AL that is what happened at the end of the 19th century the poor and immigrants rose up and fought back

  • SueInCa : CL I just laughed it is microsoft

  • choicelady : AdLib – I believe you are pulling my leg about Bing…

  • choicelady : AdLib – you are right on. The saving grace is that every time anyone has tried this tactic, it has failed. I just hope the violence that attends this kind of cultural and political eradication never happens. But that is completely correct – the ruling class is desperate to hang on, and if they don’t stop the rising multitudes, their goose is cooked. And SOON.

  • AdLib : Sue – Heh!

  • bito : No, C’lady, I just happened to pull him up on muckety, is he deep into the DLC/Clintons ? Yes!

  • SueInCa : I just laughed out loud AL and my grandson said Whaaaat?

  • SueInCa : CL Bing is Microsoft that is why I don;t use it