• AdLib : Heh! Take car KQ and sleep well. Thanks to you and Sally and everyone else for a rousing edition of Vox Populi! See you on The Planet and hopefully here again next Friday night!

  • KQµårk 死神 : Alright my head is starting to feel like your gravatar AdLib. Take care good night.

  • AdLib : KQ – You’re right, even if Obama wins big over Romney as I think he will, I would see 6% as a huge margin of victory.

  • KQµårk 死神 : Sally what AdLib said. I could not have said it better.

  • KQµårk 死神 : Sally I would never presume to tell you which side is good or bad but I will give you my opinion when I come up with it some day. ;-)

  • AdLib : Sally – It’s far too complex for there to be a good or bad guy. Historically, there are good arguments that can be made for why each has validity in their conflict. Bottom line for me as of right now though is that the Palestinians, who do have terrorists and terrible people marbled among good and suffering people, are being horribly oppressed by the Israelis out of fear. There are extremists on both sides who are hateful and prejudiced but the majority of both want peace. As here in he US, a minority of extremists seem to dictate for the majority of Israelis and Palestinians and have a vested interest in keeping the conflict going because without it, they would lose power.

  • KQµårk 死神 : Sleep well Sally.

  • KQµårk 死神 : Agreed AdLib no matter what is holding them back you would hope they consider things in a reasonable manner. I just don’t think in this political environment a Dem could win by more than 8-10% like in the 60’s and before that.

  • SallyT : Good night KQ. See on here later!

  • KQµårk 死神 : Yes and part of that control is for 35-40% (just an arbitrary range of figures) of those type of people that would never ever consider voting for a Democrat. If they did consider voting Dem they would admit they cannot control their lives.

  • SallyT : I still want you guys to tell me if Irasel is the good guy always and Palestine are the bad guys. I need you to debate that for me sometime.

  • AdLib : KQ – In the end, I am hoping that the election this year will be a referendum on ignorance and I think Americans will reject it.

  • AdLib : We’re right with ya, Sally! Sleep well!

  • SallyT : And, you both have left me behind. So, I will call it an evening and leave you two.

  • AdLib : KQ – Right, I see what you’re saying! There is tht control issue on the right and the left, on the left we have politically correct people and Emoprogs, on the right you have fascists.

  • KQµårk 死神 : Agreed AdLib we are talking about different aspects of the same phenomenon. It is interesting how people get to the same philosophy from different angles though.

  • AdLib : KQ – It’s semantics as to what it’s called but we’re agreed. People do compartmentalize and can be hypocritical with no awareness of it. People can be against racism but be prejudiced against a different religion, believe in science but believe in Creationism, etc. There are those who are truly ignorant then there are those who wall off an area of their mind from critical thought because of their need to believe something.

  • SallyT : And, you don’t buy things on time unless it is farm equipment.

  • KQµårk 死神 : The best analogy I can think of is how a scientist like a chemist wants to understand nature. That’s a big part of our motivation. Whereas chemical engineers who are usually more conservative have a desire to control nature like the flow and other physical behaviors of chemicals.

  • SallyT : I know my parents thought you should have one credit card for emergrancy but no more.

  • SallyT : I think to many of the people that made it through the depression weren’t around anymore to say, “HEY! BECAREFUL!”

  • AdLib : Sally – Good point and I think that instead of greed, it was that brain washing that helped cause people to get upside down in their home through borrowing. I think many were thinking, “It finally happened! The American dream finally happened for me and this is the money I get to have and spend!” The Depression generation likely made up a small percentage of that, I’ll bet many older folk still owe little on their homes.

  • KQµårk 死神 : Exactly and I can’t call that scientist ignorant because they know the facts behind evolution. Now you can call ignoring facts ignorance but it’s a little different than that. I still think it’s more of a need for some people to rationalize everything around them to fit into nice tiny compartments. That’s why I think control is such an issue with most conservatives.

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  • AdLib : KQ – As a scientist, you can appreciate that their are some scientists who also believe in Creationism. These are people who are very intelligent but as you say, they have a blind spot when it comes to certain things. I would suggest that it is a perfect illustration of the difference between being unintelligent and being ignorant.

  • SallyT : AdLib, many people were fooled in thinking they were making it by 2nd mortgages on their homes. They never were going to make that lump sum ever in a paycheck.

  • KQµårk 死神 : See AdLib to me that’s not ignorance viewing the world through the pursuit of money and power. That to me is a choice they make. The primal part is the need for control people like Romney have.

  • AdLib : Sally – And people are brainwashed with “The American Dream” and “In America, if you work hard enough, you too could be a millionaire!” As I mentioned earlier, the odds are 99.9% against any typical American being a millionaire…an d yet many believe it without having the slightest idea of how it could happen for them despite the odds.

  • KQµårk 死神 : IDK I know the difference between ignorance and just not being intelligent. But there is a special blind spot with some people who have incredible intelligence. I think it really is a core belief to them for whatever reason and they spin their world toward that belief even knowing the real world at some level.

  • AdLib : Sally – Yep, the GOP deals with everything through money-colored glasses. Romney will probably agree to pay off Newt’s campaign debts or something and Newt will be there, smiling beside Romney an attacking the “Food Stamp President”. But deep down, he will be snarling at how he was stabbed in the back by his party and sliced apart by Romney and his money.