I know you’ve got to be going through withdrawals for going two days without a GOP debate so tonight, the GOP comes to the rescue with another in an unending series of debates.

Tonight’s debate is on CNN tonight at 5:00 pm PST/8:00 pm EST.

You’re invited to join us here for a live blogging of this last debate before the GOP primary in FL.

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KQµårk 死神
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Looking back at the debate clips on MSNBC I could not help but see that Romney bought the crowd, aka it was a Brooks Bros crowd for Romney. They really were not cheering for conservative ideas. Them cheering Romney defending the mandate was as contrived as it gets. It’s amazing how Romney is going to buy this GOP nomination. Good thing the Obama grassroots machine will not be bought.

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KQµårk 死神
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So teabaggers were shouting death panels and death threats to Dems over the fight to pass the ACA. But now Romney tells the GOP base it’s ‘Not Worth Getting Angry’ over it. This guy is going to be hated by both sides before the general election the 99% and his teabagger base.

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MurphTheSurf3
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This was great…that idea of the brokered convention got even less likely tonight.

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KQµårk 死神
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As expected the GOPTEA Base is furious at Romney after the debate.

Almost a full year into the presidential campaign, Romney finally received a full-fledged beatdown for his mendacity over healthcare. He has the nerve to feign outrage over Obamacare, even while he touts Romneycare – a carbon copy of Obamacare – as a virtuous success, supported by 90% of Massachusetts residents. Santorum did his homework, and called him out on the hypocrisy. Romney was never able to answer why the same market intervention and distortions – mandates, subsidies, and Medicaid – which form the bedrock of Obamacare , supposedly worked so well in Massachusetts. The reason he couldn’t answer the question is because Romneycare was a complete failure. It is the canary in the coal mine for Obamacare…

…In other words, Romneycare, at its core, is exactly like Obamacare. When Romney could not articulate any fundamental difference between the two pernicious government takeovers, he wandered off into ancillary differences. He pointed out that Obamacare contains 2600 pages, raises taxes, and cuts Medicare. However, those are all nebulous differences related to the packaging or funding of the proposal. At the core, they are the same; mandates, subsidies, and Medicaid. That core is what Romney recently dubbed as fundamentally a conservative principle.

People on the left may not understand how big a deal this is. To give an analogy on the left this would be like Obama taking income inequality and the Buffet rule off the table in the 2012 election.

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MurphTheSurf3
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Have you a link for this? Great quote.

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KQµårk 死神
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SallyT
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KQ, how do the people of Mass feel about the plan?

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KQµårk 死神
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Last poll I saw 80%+ like MassCare but it’s much more expensive than the ACA will be and has worse coverage.

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SallyT
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That’s good. So, do they get to take the lesser cost with ACA? I guess they would replace their state one with ACA.

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KQµårk 死神
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Yes they will get the subsidy system with the ACA and get better coverage.

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escribacat
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This is really good — assuming Mitts gets the nomination.

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SallyT
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When did Presidents start ending every speach with “God Bless and God Bless the United States of America”. I have watched old speaches by Kennedy, Nixon, and Carter and they always ended with “Thank you and good night.” Was it Reagan?

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KQµårk 死神
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The first president I remember talking about faith was actually Carter.

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SallyT
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KQ, I was watching an old movie on TCM with Cary Grant and his real wife at the time Betsy Drake called “Room for One More”. They were at a Boy Scout awards and stood to say the Pledge and I noticed that “Under God” wasn’t in it. It caught me by surprise. I think the movie was made in 1953. Anyway, I remember that Eisenhower added that to show we weren’t Communist or something. Have you seen that movie? It is a good one.

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SallyT
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But, I watched a show about him today and he didn’t end his speach with that. I watched Johnson, too, today and he didn’t and he was talking about Vietnam. I know Clinton did and Bush I and II and of course President Obama does. I was just wondering when it started being the norm. (Never see Roosevelt saying it or Truman. I know Eisenhower had “Under God” added to the Pledge.)

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SallyT
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Oh, KQ, you didn’t have to look it up but thank you for doing it. I’m not surprise Tricky Dicky used it then, are you? So it was the holy man Reagan that started it being used all the time. Well, again thank you, KQ, for finding me the answer. What would I do without you? 😉

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escribacat
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Seems to me it was during the Reagan era when the evangelicals took over the Republican party — Jerry Falwell in particular — but I don’t remember Reagan particularly invoking a higher power all the time.

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SallyT
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I thought it might be him but maybe not all the time like it is now.

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kalie
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kalie

Thanks for the conversation!! See ya.

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SallyT
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Thank you, too!!!!

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escribacat
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See ya! Nice chatting with you.

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Weirdwriter
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MSNBC is neatly slicing and dicing the debate at the moment.

Any idea how many more of these Republican debates to go?

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SallyT
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How many states have primaries?

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escribacat
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Found a good link giving dates for each caucus/primary.

http://www.2012presidentialelectionnews.com/2012-republican-primary-schedule/

Oops. It’s the same link that our fearless host posted above!

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SallyT
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That’s okay, Escrib, it takes a couple of times before I get many things. 😉

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escribacat
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I keep thinking it’s the last one but it never is. 🙁

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Weirdwriter
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Weirdwriter

CNN has become increasingly irrelevant. Wish MSNBC could get a shot at these guys.

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MurphTheSurf3
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Thank God Newt mentioned Saul Alinsky. It would be a sad night with the Salamander without reference to the mysterious, foreign sounding, vaguely socialist….organizer whose tactics are best seen in the contemporary world by the Tea Party.

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SallyT
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Murph, why is this guy being flung out there? Is there something new?

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MurphTheSurf3
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He sounds Obama alien.

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escribacat
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😆 He’s practically related to the Rosenbergs!

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kalie
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kalie

This is an election about getting all of the gop out of office.

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SallyT
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SallyT
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Hey, Newt, I agree with you. We need to change Washington DC. Lets start by getting fewer Republicans there!

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MurphTheSurf3
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This final question is an invitation for each one to give his mini-stump speech….unchallenged….CNN blew it with this question….nothing to learn here.

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SallyT
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Murph, are we filling time? I don’t see the need either.

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