The place to post your comments without interrupting the single topic posts. However, be mindful of the strict rules!!
If you find the rules here are too confining, try the Morning Blog.
YOU MAY ONLY POST COMMENTS HERE IF:
THEY ARE OFF TOPIC, TO POST LINKS TO ARTICLES, TO COMMENT, TO SAY HELLO, TO HAVE A DIALOG, TO POST A VIDEO, TO PLAY, TO ASK QUESTIONS, TO HAVE OPINIONS, TO DISCUSS, TO POST KITTIES/PUPPIES/CARTOONS, TO TELL JOKES AND STORIES,
AND A BUNCH OF OTHER STUFF I CAN’T THINK OF RIGHT NOW.
BUT ABSOLUTELY, NO SPITTING, EYE GOUGING OR HITTING ABOVE OR BELOW THE BELT!!
You know the rules, now follow them! Please?
Every so often I intrude TO/OT with a personal pick of a site that I find important that I feel needs to be shared and not lost in the shuffle of the constant flow of thoughts on The Planet.
And yet with globalization, we seem to have developed a strange apprehension about the efficacy of our ability to apply the innovation and hard work necessary to successfully compete in a complex security and economic environment. Further, we have misunderstood interdependence as a weakness rather than recognizing it as a strength. The key to sustaining our competitive edge, at home or on the world stage, is credibility — and credibility is a difficult capital to foster. It cannot be won through intimidation and threat, it cannot be sustained through protectionism or exclusion. Credibility requires engagement, strength, and reliability — imaginatively applied through the national tools of development, diplomacy, and defense.
kesmarn says:
Working in a hospital tends to teach people to keep their emotions pretty much under control — at least while they’re on the job. But tonight I came about as close to losing it as I ever have.
I was admitting a patient who needed in-patient attention because she was so sick from the side effects of chemo that she was getting dehydrated. She was down to about 88 pounds and was so weak that walking the short distance to the bathroom was almost too much for her. In the process of the admission interview, we are required to ask patients whether they have any concerns about paying for medications or their hospitalization.
Her answer was: “Oh yes! The state just threw me off of Medicaid. I ended up on Medicare, but I have no Part D, so I have to pay for all my own meds.” (This included her chemo.) “I’ve tried and tried to call my case worker but the phone just rings and rings most times. If I am able to get through, all I can do is leave a voice mail. And the case worker never calls back.”
I assured her that the Social Service people would get on the case and advised her to let them fight the battle for her while she got some rest.
Inside, I was boiling.
This is not “austerity.” This is murder.
How Kasich and his Tea Party cronies could expect this frail, very ill woman to navigate through the systematic and deliberately neglectful maze they had set up is beyond me. I’m sure the medicaid case workers have ridiculously unrealistic caseloads. I doubt that they are intentionally refusing to return her calls. No. The blame for this horror story doesn’t fall on the patient, the case worker, the hospital, or the Department of Job and Family Services.
The blame for this belongs squarely on the shoulders of John Kasich
, the Koch brothers who own him, and the RW in the State of Ohio.
There should be an especially hot corner of the Great Eternal E-Z Bake reserved for that crew, comes the REAL rapture.
EVIL!
, the Koch brothers who own him, and the RW in the ~~~~~~
American Civic Knowledge Survey
Both the ancient Greeks and Romans valued wise and public-spirited citizens. Let’s see just how wise you really are? Are you a Barbarian, Philosopher King, or something in-between?
Mapping the Measure of America
An interesting piece from “Politicus USA” that nails it:
http://www.politicususa.com/en/dumb-down-2012
============================
Everyone should read this but they won’t. Thanks for posting it and I retweeted it already.
Republicans count on two kinds of ignorance. First they count on fooling stupid people to vote for them. Second they count on people who lean left to be so jaded that they don’t vote.
Thsnks KQ! To me, this just puts it into a nutshell, albeit a little lengthy nutshell.
There have been a few people who have called out this RW fundamentalist religious movement as the most dangerous element in our country. And it would seem that some people are so afraid of this deity that they raise no objections. How sad that in this day and age, people run scared from myths and fairy tales…just sayin’.
Em – it’s not that people are afraid of the Deity but of appearing to be as intolerant as the RW. Liberal and progressive people, especially people of faith, want to rise about rage, hate, disdain for their fellow human beings and appear reasonable and kind. What happens though is that it leads to fear of taking a stand. The Right has almost NO truck with Jesus – they follow not a word of his teachings which is what distinguishes him from other prophets. But the Left removes themselves from all examples of his power and courage to stand in clear opposition to harmful practices and people. When he spoke of the meek it was those who had no voice. He HAD a voice and wasn’t afraid to use it!
Trust me on this – opposing the Dominionists is truly dangerous, not just professionally but personally. They KILL people! But it has to be done – there is no way they are to be tolerated as just another view of the world. That is what too many did in Weimar Germany – dismissed the threat. There needs to be clear and convincing opposition, and those voice are increasing and are increasingly public. Welton Gaddy for one – head of the Interfaith Alliance – has been very outspoken. But it will take time and gumption for people to stand in opposition loudly and clearly. And I will put money on the fact that no Dem will do this as part of a campaign.
Can’t appear to be intolerant, y’know.
CL, yes…you are correct. Had I more time when I wrote this, I would have said something similar to your comment. There are people who, thankfully, are speaking out against the fundamentalists, and I am glad to see it. But I am afraid that you are right about the Dems…none of them seem to have the backbone to speak out. Sometimes it is good to be intolerant when it is something that is so damaging to our country and our form of government.
Thanks for saying what I didn’t! 🙂
And PLEASE be careful! Keep an eye out! I’m on a tight schedule today and will get back to discuss this with you later!
Good morning Em. I saw a video clip of Bachman saying that bit about the earthquake and Irene, on CBS nightly news. Right after the clip finished playing, the anchors of the program were very casual about Bachman’s remarks. She said these things in a joking manner, but it was the type of joking manner that people use when they want to say something outrageous that they really believe and disquise that belief in half-hearted humor. It was very evident, at least to me, that she was not really joking and aimed to put that thought in people’s minds. She wasn’t really going for a laugh, although she got one.
People like Bachman and Perry and Palin will attempt to plant the seeds of their insipid beliefs in the minds of their followers in any form they think will work, without making themselves seen as the nutjobs they really are. We here at the Planet and elsewhere can see right through them, but as the article you posted says, there are far too many stupid and superstitious people that can’t.
Just in my email:
Get behind or get left!
Cheers done.
Good article by Dean Baker (a fav of mine)
The End of Loser Liberalism: Making Markets Progressive
http://www.cepr.net/index.php/publications/books/the-end-of-loser-liberalism?utm_source=CEPR+feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+cepr+%28CEPR%29
Plus he lets you download the whole book for free! 🙂
funk, that is a good article and Dean Baker is a fav of many here!
( 🙂 I may have posted that link, just tweeted it or just read it, sometimes it’s confusing, but thanks for posting it)
Cheers I have to look it up.
OK this is one of the most alarming statistics I ever heard about healthcare in America compared to Europe. In fact it’s so alarming I don’t believe it until I see how the statistic was determined. Just wanted to right this little disclaimer in case it cannot be verified.
Here’s the graphic attached to the article.
Created by: Medical Billing and Coding
http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2011/08/how-hospitals-harm-us.html
I guess that 1 in 7 number hits me because I did once have an infection I acquired in a hospital and now I feel like I literally won in a sick game of Russian Roullete.
KQ
There is an infection that is very common from hospital stays like C.difficile, bacterial and staph infections. Hospitals have more germs than your bathroom at home more than likely.
I have no doubt people get that many infections because what you said is 100% true. But do that many people in the US die from them. It seems like it would be a national health crisis like one of those “outbreak” movies.
KQ not sure what the real death rate is, it could be hidden in that people leave the hospital then the infection flares up aand they go back but the connection is not made, purposely or not.
I reserve my wish for C.diff to Cheney, Rove, and this week especially, to Eric Cantor. That is a very nasty debilitating infection especially when undergoing chemotherapy!
Excuse me, I wish no harm to anyone but…. 😉
Bito, I do. In fact I have always said if I saw Cheney walking down the street, I would stick my foot out and trip him. There are other choice people I would love to do the same to.
OK now I’m really suspicious of how they found that 1 in 7 number since I found a figure that refutes it.
About 1 in 17 is still very bad but this article says less people were infected in 2009 compared to 2002 so the situation seems to be getting better at least with overall infection rates.
http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/967022-overview#a0199
No Michelle, this is “Radical Idiocy!” Do you even have any concept of the fresh water that the glades, “The River of Grass”, furnishes for millions of Floridians? The wild life it supports? The filtering of chemicals it does and the fisheries that it supports? I have heard many idiotic things out of her ‘brain’ but this one takes the cake ❗
Bachmann Doubles Down On Drilling In Everglades, Says Only ‘Radical Environmentalists’ Would Oppose
http://thinkprogress.org/green/2011/08/31/309551/bachmann-doubles-down-on-drilling-in-everglades-says-only-radical-environmentalists-would-oppose/
Great! Let’s tear down the mountains, rivers, and streams in all national parks and let’s drain all the lakes in Minnesota and the Great Lakes for beloved oil!
My first visit to the beloved ‘Glades was in the 50’s and the sky went dark with flocks of birds, I ate the snook, the shrimps, the snapper and bass and enjoyed, appreciated the diversity of LIFE there.
Excuse me, “But you stupid bitch!” It is a precious resource, but not for OIL!
What a small, small mind!
I am begging for a reaction on this outrageous stance of Bachmann! We have made fun of her stupid “history” fluffs, but I find this beyond despicable.
Bito, I just posted an article above about the “dumbing down” of the country by Republicans and the brainless support of candidates like Bachmann and Perry. I believe it fits right into the narrative.
If we don’t defeat this RW christian fundamentalism and get these people out of our politics, our country is doomed! I know that sounds hyperbolic, but unfortunately, it is the truth!
Em I feel the same as you.
Bito, this woman is a complete imbecile! There is nothing else to say about her. But she is, unfortunately, just one of a number of idiots who believe that a god gave us the earth to exploit, rape and pillage to our hearts’ content. There is NO recognition that this planet is finite with finite resources, no recognition that the pillaging of this fragile planet is causing the destruction of the environment for man and animal alike!
There have been many comments on PPOV about the Dominionists and their agenda for the country. Michelle Bachmann is among this group of religious extremists who believe that their idea of a deity gives them the right to exploit the planet for “free market principles”. Why supposedly sane people listen to this tripe is a mystery to me! I certainly don’t mean to step on anyone’s toes about religion, but the more I know about this brand of christianity, the more I wonder how so many people can be duped!
Drilling for oil may not be directly connected to Bachmann’s religion, but in the larger sense, it is a part of her overall belief in the words from the book of Genesis in the bible, namely that her god gave man dominion over the earth. The fundamentalists take this stuff literally!
Surely, there are enough “sane” people left in Florida to stop this…although on second thought, they DID elect Rick Scott. Scary!!
HP outdoing its vile self with an outrageously despicable headline this evening. What a bunch of third-rate hacks.
That is all they have nowadays. They make Drudge look sane in comparison.
Wait until Glenn Beck buys HP from AOL…then again…maybe he already has?
Today’s Top 5
Top 5 Candy Bars of All Time
1.)Whatchamacallit – Still my favorite to this day
2.)Reese’s Peanut Butter Cups – Probably the most popular candy bar in America right now.
3.)5th Avenue – Simple, cheap, very tasty.
4.)Kit Kat – There’s 4 of them!
5.)Crunch Bar – Used to be number one. Still a favorite.
[img]http://www.homesickamerican.com/WebRoot/BT2/Shops/BT4105/4D9A/F254/A295/F761/6A5E/0A0C/05E8/9A6F/whatchamacallit.jpg[/img]
I cannot believe you did not List Mounds or Heath Bar, two of my faves
I’m a nut I prefer Almond Joy.
I don’t think they make Bounty bars anymore though. 🙁
Sometimes you feel like a nut….sometimes you don’t!
Almond Joy has nuts, Mounds don’t because sometimes you feel like a nut, somtimes you don’t. LOL I have a game I always play at showers using old sayings and TV shows, it is always a hit:
It’s the real thing___________
Can you guess?
Coke!
Yep, cn you believe some people do not get that one?
KQ I sorta remember at least the name, not sure I ever ate a Bounty. I used to love Hollywood bars too, dark chocolate.
Very tough so I’ll cheat. 😉
1) Any fine chocolate bar with raisins and nuts is my fave starting with Cadbury (sucks Hershey’s bought the right to make them here) fruit and nut bar.
2) Any fine chocolate bar with caramel alone or with nuts and again Caramellow is a good example.
3) Ghiradelli chocolate squares (I’m literally eating a dark chocolate and mint now). Lindt’s is also very good and has some exotic flavors. I think Godiva is a bit overrated.
4) Any chocolate Europeans use to bring us from there when I worked for European companies.
5) Baby Ruth and about 90% of the commercial chocolate bars on the market.
I actually interned at Nestle’s chocolate one summer in one of their R&D labs way before they went all corporate psychopath. The R&D chefs from Sweden use to make us all kinds of wonderful treats. I use to love when they made Crunch bars with a bit of Strawberry flavor added.
I guess you get it now. I love chocolate. I only eat it in moderation now and eat much more dark chocolate than I did as well.
What? No Payday? Heresy!!
Ah Payday is on my list too even though it’s not a chocolate bar.
KQ If you take a couple candy corn and a peanut and eat them together, it tastes like a payday. It would make a good trail mix for fall.
Lawrence O’Donnell predicts with certitude an Obama reelection.
Now I’m scared.
Well, if hes’ processed the results in his quantum matrix then I believe we can trust it.
If he’s trying to be human and “go with his gut”, we may be in trouble.
GOP Presidential nominee Tim Pawlenty has no comment…well, he did have a comment but he was too afraid to make it.
What Would Cantor Do?
Right-Wing Sock Puppets Pretending to Be Liberals Assault Progressive Websites
http://readersupportednews.org/pm-section/78-78/5872-right-wing-sock-puppets-pretending-to-be-liberals-assault-progressive-websites
I have posted about this out fit and others so when one goes to sites that get thrive in mindless arguments for a click, keep in mind that the comments may not be from Joe and Sally, just folks like you, but paid trolls, “disrupters”.
So to the 99.5%, pat yourself on the back!
And don’t forget this post:
http://planetpov.com/2011/08/18/its-planetpovs-2nd-anniversary-please-support-our-donation-and-membership-drive/
A special H/T to Kalima who can “smell” a troll before they even post.
Now for a “commercial break” and praise to 99.5% of our posters and the behind the curtain work of our admin. Kalima, AdLib and KQuark set up this site with minimal rules. Trolls are not tolerated on PPOV, flat out!
Apparently if this sale of HP by AOL is accurate, trolls do not generate income. HP flourished when it was a pretty open forum and progressives could hold REAL conversations with substance (as did KQ who was one of the first to go under the New Regime after 2008).
So I say anybody who is turned off by outrageous posts, nastiness, and what are clearly trolls and who leaves – well, it looks as if nobody else is left. The demise of HP as a profitable entity is shocking because it now appears clear in a VERY short period of time that all the leaves and petals fell off (all of us) leaving only the barren thorns and vines of the trolls behind.
In sum – you can’t make money pissing of pragmatic progressives. Pragmatic progressives outnumber the trolls AND the PL which they show by their defection from sites dominated by those two voices. Pragmatic progressives vote. Pragmatic progressives will tend to vote heavily for Obama. QED…
I understand that DailyKos is hurting and FDL is hurting. Can’t happen to more deserving places.
The uptick in pragmatic progressive sites is wonderful and exciting! Most can’t hold a candle to the Planet, but they still have good insights and information for the most part.
So this would appear to be the wave of the future and a sign of the times. All good.
Cheers for the props and not that I don’t like tooting my horn from time to time but I was just part of a big first wave with AdLib and Kalima (Q et. al. were part of that gang too) who gave up on HP after the Stalinist purges right before and after the election of 2008. But of course it as purely serendipitous because we all ended up starting up the Planet.
I’m not surprised to hear FDL and DailyKOS are hurting as well. Like I’ve said allot of times there are not many places for left leaning people who are not purists or hyperbolic to post without receiving ridicule from both sides these days. Then of course that ties into our discussion about online social networks the other day. They really are not attractive to people who want real civil discourse when it comes to political discussions.
“who can “smell” a troll before they even post”. 😆 Had a blocked nose for 2 weeks bito, but I’m always on my toes, they won’t last long at The Planet because the hair at the back of my neck stands to attention. At your/our service. *doffs invisible hat*
Please put yourself on that list bito, your tireless work here is unbeatable. Take a bow please.
Thanks Bito, you always find the goods.
HP is infuriating. It’s like the trolls have completely taken over.
How many times can you attack the same talking points?
Nothing, NOTHING in the entire history of our country has EVER been solved by lowering taxes. The biggest economic booms in our nation’s history came after we RAISED taxes.
FDR, Reagan, and Clinton.
And who cuts taxes during a war?! TWO WARS?! The previous administration provided a detailed blueprint of what NOT to do and it’s centerpiece was cutting taxes. Oh, and they raised spending to unprecedented levels.
Clinton didn’t spend that much and that motherfucker LOVED to spend. And every President gets blamed for their predecessors failures. Bush I got shafted by Reagan’s dismal second term decisions. Obama is taking heat for Bush II’s.
It’s SO goddamn obvious! It’s right in front of heir faces! HOLY SHIT IT MAKES ME ANGRY!
rant over.
You should see the trolls over there now. They think a debate for an election months away is more important than the president trying do do something to create jobs. That’s all we need another circle yerk to Ronald Raygun who would have never been accepted by the GOP of today like you say.
Speaking of Reagan, that was a topic today over there. But it doesn’t matter.
They don’t debate, argue, whatever you wanna call it. Challenging ideas is the hallmark of an enlightened species. But they won’t.
They breeze over whatever you just said and go right back into talking points. And I wouldn’t even mind that if they had a reasonable argument to back them up. Hell, ANY argument to back it up. Lie, give me some figures you got on the Drudge Report, something! Democrats use talking points too, everyone does, but it’s just a launching point to a larger debate. Not their whole damn argument!
What’s it called, “bumper sticker politics”? Cause that’s all it ever sounds like. Things I could read on a pickup truck back home.
Spot on and well said AD.
That’s the whole thing I’ve been saying about false equivalencies. That’s right everyone does it but one side does it because that’s all they got.
The list of R’s that would no longer be ‘accepted’ in the Republican of today is endless from Lincoln, Dirkson, Reagan, Chaffee…. There seems to be a blind spot, a state of denial, that this country has operated from the very beginnings on compromise. Jefferson’s Deceleration of Independence got passed around and compromises were made before it was signed.
Is it ignorance?
I have done a little work on Union labor contract negotiations, not once did we ever get 100%!
Post this link over there if you feel a need to even go there, it’s been a waste of time for me since ’09.
http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2011083428/three-charts-email-your-right-wing-brother-law
I will try bito.
I posted a link to a huge list of President Obama’s accomplishments today. even advised them to grab a snack before they started reading it cause it would take awhile.
I’ve seen people converted though. You just gotta find the one’s willing to at least meet you halfway. Then see how far you can get from there together. That’s compromise. That’s politics.
Adonai: I have a new motto: You can’t negotiate with crazy. I used to spend hours trying to make a reasoned argument, proving points, etc. – you know, that “fact-ey” thing that Stephen Colbert doesn’t really like too much. Then i realized: you can’t negotiate with crazy. And I decided most of them are just that. Time’s a wastin’. Prefer using it more wisely now, talking to my own Planet, working with the children. Leave the crazies be. -AB
Right with you on that, AB!
Energy is far better spent on recruiting open minded people then wasting it on paid trolls or mind-locked Repubs.
Oh, and The Planet says “You rock!”
Only so many hours in the day…and mine are running short. I have a “newbie” here – the sixth of my seven kids just got back in the US for school. She will be in Virginia. Need to go talk to her for a while, so adios dear ones. Hope to see you again soon. – AB
AB you are so so right. You can’t. The GOP was crazy enough to actually default the US’s good credit. How do you possibly deal with that?
There’s an old saying “crazy rules the roost”. I know the craziest person in my family ruled it. I can’t speak for someone else.
But I also have to say the only way you can treat crazy people is to rise above them. That’s why the “adult in the room” does resonate with people when it comes to the president. No doubt the crazies bring everyone down by they bring themselves down the most.
OMG!
People still post on HP?
Crap, I can’t remember now when I left that POS site – but think it was when I discovered the PPOV.
Never went back.
Once you go PPOV, you never go back – damn, was hoping for a rhyme.
Once you go Planet you never…panic? I dunno. I’m struggling too!
There are still a few people there I enjoy talking to. I try to get them to come here but they love the fight. I use to love the fight. Now i tolerate it.
Isn’t it amazing how addictive blogging is?
Have you ever met anyone from the Interboobs?
I did once and it was enlightening, and not in a bad way exactly.
It wasn’t from a political site, but from a Yahoo game site, so maybe that makes it different?
She was a very nice person, very nice, but nothing like you’d have imagined.
OH!
And I actually did meet, right in my neighborhood, a woman from HP!
That was by chance and when she said that she blogged on HP and proudly announced that she had over 300 friends, and she noticed our Kerry/Edwards sign in our yard, she hoped that we were Arizona people and not winter visitors.
Ended up that I knew her from HP and had her as a friend, and even though I recognized her name, she didn’t recognize mine.
LOL
I never did do good on HP, as I was honest in my opinions back then.
I’ve learned to temper voicing my opinions.
Not here, you are allowed. I have never found one of your opinions outrageous…..
Once you go Planet, you never plan it.
And oh yeah, dammit, Janet.
HA! I had “Once you go Planet, you’ll never pan it”
Once you go POV, you never go POS again?
Once you go POV, you’ll never go HP. Oh wait – that’s the same as POS, right? BTW: You will have mail. Soon.
No – people don’t post there. Trolls and flaming PLs do.
Big difference.
HP Sell Out to AOL = $315MM
AOL + Aryanna = -$288MM
Vindication for PlanetPOV Members = PRICELESS!!!
An almost 30 million dollar deficit. That’s pretty bad.
NOW Donald Trump is interested…..
WOW ❗
http://www.politico.com/politico44/
One thing that is bogus in Boehner’s letter is the house is still in pro forma session and a concurrent resolution would take about 15 seconds.
Has this ever happened in history?!
Uppity Boy in our White House!
Congressional leaders have persuaded Presidents to reconsider things in the past but I can’t remember it being for anything like this.
Can’t really blame him though. I think Obama announcing the schedule of the address was a bit of gamesmanship on his part. I think this is Boehner playing his card.
Boehner’s gotta take it though. President can address Congress anytime he wants. And getting mad at the President’s “political theater” is totally hypocritical.
Shoes on the other foot now, ain’t it John? Don’t feel so good does it?
**EDIT**
Well, turns out he needs a signed resolution to address a joint session of Congress. I thought he could address them whenever he chose to. So, will House leaders sign the request?
I think this is a good move by Obama regardless. Force them to disrespect the office.
Otherwise, he’s made Boehner grovel.
I agree Khirad. I think he can make it work for him regardless.
It’s so easy to predict and play contrarians.
Maya Angelou says memorial makes MLK look ‘arrogant’
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/maya-angelou-says-memorial-makes-mlk-look-arrogant-153930799.html
I have to disagree with Ms. Angelou. When those words were spoken, it was not arrogance. King knew he would probably be assassinated and wanted his true legacy to be remembered. He was a “drum major for justice, peace and righteousness.” Today, that may sound arrogant, but people have to remember or learn that America was a very different country back then and desperately needed a man like Martin Luther King. He risked death almost every day of the last two years of his life in an attempt to bring justice, peace and righteousness.
KT, I think her argument is that this isn’t what he said. And she’s right. He said “IF OTHERS want to call me..etc., etc.” and basically said he didn’t do this for the praise but because it must be done.
I think she believes he wasn’t a self promoter and I have to agree with that. But I also agree with you. He was these things. Even if he didn’t want the notoriety, those are the things he wanted his legacy to be about.
If you’re gonna praise me, praise me for the right things. Seems like semantics but I’d expect no less from a poet laureate. 🙂
And these people want to run the country?
The saga of invited, uninvited, reinvited, uninvited Christine O’Donnell
And the kicker is their other speaker quit something else…again! Ya Betcha!
Funny stuff from Gotta Laff
http://thepoliticalcarnival.net/2011/08/31/the-saga-of-invited-uninvited-reinvited-uninvited-christine-odonnell/
Some more drama on the T-Party Cat fight in Iowa. Like I said “and these people want to govern the country?”
Sarah Palin Won’t Allow The Iowa Tea Party To See Other Women
http://www.stumbleupon.com/su/5yxSS9/www.politicususa.com/en/palin-odonnell-iowa
HAHAHA! Harumph, Harumph Harumph!