• bito : «link»

  • AdLib : Hey Bito, the link is broken, what’s there?

  • bito : One more OT, anyone on AOL? Read this.«link» bradblog.com/?p= 8487 I wonder if PPOV is on that list?

  • AdLib : Looks like we’ve come to the end of another edition of Vox Populi! Thanks to all for another great and entertaining discussion! Have a great weekend all!

  • AdLib : Night Cher! Enjoyed our friendly debate! Have a wonderful weekend!

  • AdLib : KT – The flip side to CU is that Dems and Progressives are now putting together big money organizations to compete (along with unions). The corps will have a lot of money but did it help Meg Whtiman win? Or Fiorina? Money can’t always overcome public opinion.

  • Chernynkaya : Adlib– thanks for that last comment–I caught it!

  • AdLib : Night Tex!

  • AdLib : Night Patsy!

  • AdLib : Really appreciate your musing Cher. I do think that things have undoubtedly been much harder for Obama and Dems because his being a black president energized the racist Repubs which gave others with tamer racism excuses to oppose Obama. In the end though, I think people have gotten used to him now and see how moderate he is, a black man in the WH didn’t lead to the end of America. That “pals around with terrorists”, scare white people ploy won’t work well in 2012. And agree, look how the Repubs used the politics of hatred, lies and destruction against Clinton. And they failed at denying him re-election.

  • texliberal : I’m out too, work tommorrow. It’s always my PLEASURE. THANKS

  • KillgoreTrout : Sweet dreams Patsy. I must bid all adieu, myself.

  • KillgoreTrout : Buenos noches cher.

  • PatsyT : My friends I have to say good night … You all have a great weekend

  • Chernynkaya : I think I must say goodnight now. I’m getting the stink eye! Have fun all you wonderful and sharp-as-tacks people.

  • texliberal : AdLib, explains how LBJ a Dixiecrat got the civil rights and Great Society legislation passed. If it just weren’t for Viet Nam

  • KillgoreTrout : AL, vastly different America now. And as tex pointed out, we have the Citizens United situation to deal with. It almost always comes down to who has the most money.

  • AdLib : KT – Look at what happened with FDR. He didn’t run as a Progressive in his first election but became more Progressive in office and ran for re-election (twice) as a strong Progressive. If people see Progressive agendas benefiting them, they’re not going to vote against them.

  • Chernynkaya : That phrase is “Taken hold.” SHEESH!

  • KillgoreTrout : Excellent point tex. CU was the nail that sealed the coffin. Until that is somehow gotten rid of, the future looks bleak for a genuine progressive/libe ral.

  • Chernynkaya : AL–That’s good to remember! But here’s one of my secret thoughts. The first black President drove too many crazy. I wonder if he were white if all this Baggery would have Taklamakan hold. I love O. I think he is one of the greatest presidents in our history. But I sometimes think his being black hurt us by bringing out the roaches form under their rocks. Is that bad of me? Were we really ready for an African American? 53% were, once. But look what happened–would it have happened anyway? And I also remind myself that they accused Clinton of actual MURDER! So maybe I’m totally wrong.

  • texliberal : Citizens United ruined any chances for a progressive POTUS. Until there is REAL campaign finance reform. well you know

  • KillgoreTrout : AdLib, that would really depend on the degree of progressive ideology. Personally I am not that optimistic.

  • PatsyT : Nighty Night Khirad Watch out for that 70’s music

  • AdLib : Night Khirad!

  • Khirad : Well folks, that’s it for me. Nice going down memory lane with y’all.

  • KillgoreTrout : tex, Obama seems to be a bit left of center. I don’t think he’s a strict centrist. But he was never the uber progressive that many mistook him for.

  • PatsyT : Yes Cher good point! He is not getting the credit he deserves

  • Chernynkaya : Or maybe the ball has moved so far right, I forget.

  • AdLib : Folks, before Bush pushed so many out of the GOP, no one would have ever said that Obama could be elected president. There can indeed be circumstances that provide for a majority to elect a Progressive President.

  • Chernynkaya : But Patsy, I also think he is plain progressive. I mean by that, actually progressive!

  • texliberal : KT, believe you are right. Know any? :)

  • KillgoreTrout : tex, real progressive are seen by far too many people as socialists,or communists. Even though the label of communist is really a paranoid one. Big business will never let a true progressive win. The best we can hope for is slightly left of center.

  • PatsyT : Cher I have to agree with that Our Pres is indeed as progressive as we can get for now

  • AdLib : Khirad, I’m with you on having other parties and at the time, I was sympathetic to Nader and the Green Party. But as the polls got close, I felt it was vital to make sure Bush wasn’t elected so I voted for Gore though not enthusiastically .

  • Khirad : Glad I’m not alone on that. Nader may have always been a bit eccentric, but I think he really started losing it after he left the Green Party. I felt betrayed by that, and would never be fooled again.

  • texliberal : Nixon played HARD BALL. I learned

  • Chernynkaya : AL- He DID! :lol:

  • bito : Tex, Agree on McGovern. How did that work out?

  • Chernynkaya : KT–Either he was smart and cynical or he was idealistic and deluded. But ego is the best bet.

  • AdLib : Cher – In the end, Nader looked like a coked up version of Howard Beale from the movie Network.

  • Chernynkaya : Tex–NOPE. ni in these United States. But you know what? I think O is darn progressive considering what he’s up against. I really do.

  • texliberal : Bito, I worked for McGovern in ’72. That’s probably as close as we’ll ever get

  • AdLib : Tex – Yes I do. If a black man named Barack Hussein Obama can be elected, a true Progressive can be too

  • Khirad : His supposed game was to qualify for federal financing (or something like that, or to be recognized in every state and given time in debates) which needed a voter threshhold to cross. I still think more parties should be a part of the process, and am a Green at heart… but not at the expense of the GOP winning.

  • KillgoreTrout : cher, I think maybe Nader actually believed he could start a third party.

  • Chernynkaya : AL– he even started to look like an Old Testament crazed prophet at the end. he does now anyway.

  • bito : Tex, NO

  • AdLib : KT – IMO, Russ, who just lost his seat but is a solid Dem, would never sabotage himself or the Dem party that way.

  • texliberal : Does anyone seriously think a truly progressive POTUS can ever be elected?

  • PatsyT : KT I get the feeling the Russ Feingold knows better even if some of his supporters don’t

  • bito : Russ Feinglod is smarter than that, I think.

  • AdLib : Cher – You nailed it. Nader may have been very smart but his ego was his biggest flaw. It became so inflated, he became unrecognizable. He became a wild eyed zealot, a real nutball.

  • KillgoreTrout : bito, no just speculating. If anybody, maybe Russ Feingold.

  • texliberal : CHER, EGO yep

  • PatsyT : Cher HA! Dog Years That describes the Bush years

  • bito : KT, Nader ‘s plan was being a pureist.

  • Chernynkaya : KT–EGO.