As, some of you know, my passion for politics extends ‘across the pond’ as they say. I didn’t think of writing anything until results started streaming in, and that for a subject I feel deserves more notice from us Yanks, my little O/T post was clearly not gonna cut it.
If you have absolutely no idea what this is all about (and even if you do), see The Hitchhiker’s Guide to Britain’s Elections. For questions about parties and what they represent, this is a decent overview from Political Compass.
Any articles, updates, post wrap-up analyses – heck, anything British, can be added in the comments section.
A few indispensable resources:
• The Guardian‘s Results Map and Data [English]
• The Herald‘s Results Map and Data [Scottish]
• The Western Mail Map Results and Data [Welsh]
• The Belfast Telegraph Updates [Northern Irish]
These sites with some redundant constituency information also double as helpful sources for a particular country’s local focus so that you may navigate from there.
For more news sites across Britain, or, if you would like more information on the tilt of those listed above, simply ask.
And, as you see the results, you may compare them with this aggregate poll of the albeit short (by American standards) campaign stretch to see how the projections panned out.
I’m not accustomed to doing short articles, but felt that posting my links would be less cumbersome under its own article than in the “Off Topic” section.
I do also hope, if only for the next couple days and the forming of the new government, that I can open up a few of you to the exciting world of British politics!
But do please keep it down with the harrumphs, boos and hisses; we don’t need it to be like Prime Minister’s Questions in here.
Such a depressing day, I needed to relive some lighter moments:
Brown and Cameron Sex Pistols mashup:
😆 @ 0:48
I’m waiting for a vid that has Clegg doing a nasty dance with Dave now…
David Miliband is favourite to become new Labour leader
http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/news/Gordon-Brown-resignation-David-Miliband.6285385.jp
Miliband pitted against Miliband (and Balls) in leadership battle
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/miliband-pitted-against-miliband-and-balls-in-leadership-battle-1970532.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Miliband
And just like that, it was over:
David Cameron is UK’s new prime minister
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/election_2010/8675265.stm
More details on the deal:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/may/11/general-election-2010-live-blog
Salmond: LibDems will revolt
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/politics/salmond-libdems-will-revolt-1.1026531
Gordon Brown plays last card
General election 2010: Deadline day for Conservative-Lib Dem deal
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/may/09/general-election-2010-conservative-lib-dem
I found an article from a few days back which touches upon the Queen’s role and Constitutional questions – and mentions the event in the 70’s that I referenced vaguely down the page:
David Cameron risks Queen’s impartiality over hung parliament
There is also this, from today:
The Queen and a hung Parliament
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/election_2010/8667820.stm
On the final tally, Wikipedia’s page is fully updated:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_General_Election_2010#Results_breakdown
You can play the arithmetic games too. With the Tories, it’s not so interesting, with Labour, quite. As with even a LibDem/Labour coalition, adding SDLP, Alliance and Green would give them 320, six short. Basically, Labour is phucked. But neither can the Conservatives merely pick up the Ulster Unionists – that’s just 314.
Two notable losses I forgot to mention were Jacqui Smith (predictable), but Nick Griffin (BNP leader) got whopped, finishing third in the Barking constituency (14.6% of the vote is still discomfiting, though). Also, First Minister of Northern Ireland, Peter Robinson, lost his seat to the Alliance Party (which is great for them and embarrassing to him, I’m sure).
I’m also noting that while Wales shifted a little blue (from three to eight – still Labour only lost four of its thirty, one to Plaid) and Scotland stayed the same (with it’s one lonely Tory out of 59 seats 😆 ), the shift in Northern Ireland (map) over the last dozen years is striking, and UUP is all but a defunct party even under its new alliance with Tories under the cumbersome name of “Ulster Conservatives and Unionists
Sinn Fein’s Gildernew wins in Fermanagh by four votes
Being a Sinn F
Khirad, how does this compare to Canada, where the “ruling party” in 2008 got 37 percent of the vote because there’s five major parties?
Exactly Pepe, I too immediately thought of your homeland with talk of minority government. As with Canada, it looks like the left-centre parties will have gotten the majority of votes, but the right (Tories and Ulster Unionists) could, – if they don’t get LibDems (which is looking more likely), essentially have a Harper gov’t.
This sky-is-falling attitude I find quite silly. Even within Britain, the Scottish Parliament has been led by a Scottish National Party (they’re sorta like Bloc Qu
Becaue I did not grow up in Scotland, even though my paternal grandmother was a Scot, I’m somewhat at odds with Scottish nationalism. What IS the big deal in this day and age? Smacks of the Confederacy in some ways – golden age, long gone. Hell – the GOT the Stone of Scone back (I was one of the last tourists to see it under the coronation throne) so move on already.
I actually support breaking up large and highly diverse nations and certainly the EU now that we’re watching the collapse and burning of a merely theoretical “union” that can bring everyone down when one falters. I am quite sure that my quandries about Scotland and Wales are based entirely on the fact – I haven’t a clue what the issues are, and I don’t live there.
But then, I’m prepared for Texas to seceed and actually rather hoping they do.
Soon.
Indeed CL, and some Labour politicians have tried that accusation. I must admit there is a ring of Confederacy to it (it’s come across my mind as well – especially with the Scots-Irish connections to the South), but I’m not sure if it’s fair to say just let it go anymore than it would have been to tell the Ukrainians to just let it go, the Soviets have got you now, or the Croats (a little hyperbole). Or, what if the Irish had just said, hey – what does it matter? And unlike the IRA or ETA (of the Basques), they choose to do it with the ballot box (although, honestly, in other situations violence as last recourse is pursued because peaceful avenues aren’t available).
Now, the subjugation of Ireland during the Irish Revolution was worse (and Scottish regiments complicit in Bloody Sunday), but Scotland shares some of the same experiences, and much later than Robert the Bruce and even after the Jacobite Rebellions and Highland Clearances. I mean, like 19th and 20th century type stuff. As for Wales, London flooded whole towns in the ’60s (typically strongholds of Welsh culture) to bring water to Liverpool – the Welsh didn’t have a say – although all Welsh MPs voted against it. This gave rise to the Plaid Cymru’s (the Welsh nationalists) power. Also, you may know, that for a long period, Welsh schoolchildren were forbidden from speaking Welsh, and faced corporal punishment and expulsion for being caught doing so. Scotland has its own tales, as well. While things may be better now, such a past cannot be easily forgotten, and while not all may support the nationalists, they are tapping into very real grievances that exist with London.
The SNP’s main issues now (besides its core issue of Independence) are equitable money distribution being sent back from London (and that Scottish programs get cut, and the related issue of scrapping Trident to pay for it), North Seas gas; and if all they’re pushing for is a referendum (one which fizzled before – and public opinion polls are all over the place), I don’t see the harm in gibing the people that choice for self-determination – it’s not like they’re slaveholders or even racist. There’s ample debate over how it can work, but as the SNP said in their manifesto a couple years back – if Montenegro can do it, why not us? And there’s many better examples of successful countries with similar populations. Some propositions call for an amicable split, staying within the Commonwealth, sort of like Canada. Others reject the monarchy altogether (though in none of these is there overt hostility, like they’re gonna march to London and burn it down or lay siege to York – although, royal properties like Balmoral Castle would be interesting – how that was handled, I mean). I’m a bit fuzzy on the details of this all, more so than I used to be. Let’s just say that there’s plenty of devils in those details. Perhaps among the simplest answers, are foregoing independence for more powers and further devolution to the Scottish Parliament in Holyrood. Polls do seem to favor that. But again, what exactly does that mean?
In any case, we’ll see how the 2010 Referendum turns out.
Then there’s admittedly trivial stuff, but the fact that most people mix up Britain and England (as if the Scots were English too), would rankle me too (and in fact does, even though I can only claim part-heritage). Can we imagine an Ireland with no tricolor? With more of its culture lost? Governed from London?
The Scottish National Party and Plaid Cymru (the “Nats” or “Celtic bloc”) are also more attractive to me, as they’ve stayed to the left, when Labour has moved right. The SNP has attracted many former Labour supporters not so much even interested in Scotland’s former glory, but on policy (I was being a little tongue-in-cheek with the ‘former glory’ part, too – I’ve read too much Scottish history! 😆 ).
There are more recent books, I’m sure, but this is one that I read in the mid-90’s (before devolution). From Amazon:
“The Battle for Scotland” by Andrew Marr (1995).
I myself have softened with a decade of devolution, but I tell you, before devolution, it was a disgrace some of the decisions that London had over Scotland. Just imagine states not having their own legislatures, or, Massachusetts telling California what was best for it. While I am not a big states’ rights person (and the baggage it carries in the US), it does serve a function, and there’s a fine balance to be struck between local, regional and federal levels.
In any case, the SNP’s primary talking point is that it fights for Scotland’s interests in England (I wouldn’t necessarily call Scottish Labour “London’s poodles” like Salmond, though). Not that Scottish Labour or LibDems are un-Scottish (an Americanism) and don’t serve their constituencies either. I know some are very fine, and urban strongholds such as Glasgow have a long tradition of Labour. But there’s a point to this, as hyperbolic as Salmond is (I have mixed feelings about his personality and his rhetoric, though I appreciate his bluntness in interviews). While Scottish Labour is its own administrative subsection of Labour, they effectively answer to the same party leadership in the end.
Independence is still the raison d’
Here in the US the mainstream media likes to say “politics makes strange bed fellows.” I’ll assume it’s like that in the UK also.
Here in Arizona there is a special election on may 18 to raise the state sales tax a penny to 6.5 cents. And many cities are already allowed to add to that. So I pay around 7.5 cents sales tax now on every dollar I spend but not for food. So if the sales tax increase passes I will pay around 8.5 cents sales tax on every dollar. I have already decided I will vote Yes.
What the legislature should really be doing is changing the sales tax laws to lower the sales tax but tax services like auto repair, hair and beauty salons, etc. which are not taxed now under the sales tax laws. The Chamber of Commerce doesn’t like taxing services. So the most conservative business organization is all for using consumers as a cash cow.
Notice at the bottom of the Yes on 100 web site that major funding was from the state Chamber of Commerce.
http://www.yeson100.com/
Ugh dildenusa, I was at my community Democratic club yesterday and we spent some time talking about this.
I already voted yes, but I hate bailing out the Republicans with a proposition they don’t even like to call a tax. Especially when they’ll find some way to blame Democrats for it.
Yes, Chamber of Commerce, cuts – and a sales tax is going to solve it?
Hey, why not property tax, so that snowbirds have to pay too?
They kinda piss me off. They don’t vote here, can always go back half or most of the year, and leave us with worst education and Mississippi redux.
I’m sorry if you are one, and I must admit, Snowbirds make me a little jealous, too. It’s envy speaking.
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And WTF? The Five C’s? Copper, Cattle, Cotton, Citrus and Climate.
Well, what do we have left? Oh yeah, tourism. Hey, I know! Let’s close down rest stops, parks, and profile brown people!
Yay!
And, we’ve just about lowered tax incentives as much as they’ll go. And it’s not the climate or lack of spas and golf courses… hmm, what’s missing that could attract business? I dunno, culture and transportation? A better downtown? (Phoenix is improving, Tucson is still a whole lot of nothing). Truth is, that does have me a little stumped.
I swear to god Republicans in this state piss me off to know end.
Thanks, Khirad! The Political Compass link was particularly helpful as a primer.
As it stands now (May 7, 12:00 pm GMT)
326 are needed to win. [it is officially a hung parliament]
Political Party / Seats / Change
Conservative
301 +94
Labour
255 -88
Liberal Democrat
54 -5
Scottish National Party
6 0
Plaid Cymru
3 +1
Others
18 -2
Now this is just sad. And not as an insult, it is actually sad.
From a LibDem blog:
http://diblemming.blogspot.com/2010/05/resounding-lib-dem-victory.html
Also this, posted by Kalima in Morning Blog:
I so dislike Proportional Representation. It might sound so nice and such a democratic thing to do, who could argue against it? But then I look at those countries that have PR, or some form of it, and I despair – does anybody really want to follow the example of Israel or Italy? Total governing stalemate with chaos thrown into the mix for good measure.
First Past the Post may be considered unrepresentative and can sometimes produce hung parliaments (called minority parliaments in Canada), but they are very legislatively efficient (gosh – that makes me sound like a tyrant-lover!) when they work well and they aren’t hi-jacked by extreme positions from either the right or the left.
It’ll never work in the UK. It’s designed to bring the LibDems into power, and some of their policies are just not popular with the run-of-the-mill population – like immigration amnesty or going into the euro. Immigration, legal and illegal, is tied up with the economic crisis and so is entry into the euro. Were the UK in the euro zone, they’d be getting touched up for a major share of bailing the Greeks out.
I hear you on that Marion! There’s a lot of talk, here in Canada, about the Greece crisis (soon to be followed by the rest of PIIGS) will probably bring about the end of the Eurozone. Is there any kind of discussion about that over there?
That’s the thing about PR, Marion and Mightywoof.
I think it’s less about principle (which may play some part), but more about reality. It’s the only way LibDems can have a real shot. And that’s what they’re really interested in (and also why Labour and the Tories are cool to it). As always, there’s the philosophical debate, and the political dimension, both. I think the former is dictated more by the latter, though, by all parties concerned.
I think that first-past-the-post is exactly what makes the parliamentary system work. How often do we complain in the US about no room for third parties? Of course, the stricter finance and advertising restrictions also play a part.
There are pros and cons to both, of course, but I think the rosy ‘progressive’ spin on PR is misguided and shortsighted.
Nevertheless, here’s what The Guardian said when it was the main reason for them endorsing Clegg:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/apr/30/the-liberal-moment-has-come
Polling stations chaos: queues, shutouts and protests
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/blog/2010/may/07/polling-stations-chaos-queues-shutouts
Well now, this will be interesting.
Salmond: MPs must dance to our jig
http://breakingnews.heraldscotland.com/breaking-news/?mode=article&site=hs&id=N0172451273217199005A
Although, as I just saw, questioned by Jeremy Paxman, Salmond was not forthcoming if or if not talks were happening (though he snorted about talking to the Tories). He may be a bit smarmy, and his personality is not really my principle draw to the SNP, but I do appreciate how he told him that he wouldn’t tell them if he were having talks, as they wouldn’t talk to him again. Posturing? I don’t know. Considering the speculation over SDLP and Alliance below. SNP and Plaid would be a real pain in the ass for Labour though.
Hung parliament: What happens next?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/8659878.stm
Earlier there was word that Clegg was not hot on a Conservative alliance. Likely dubious, as he says that Conservatives won the most votes, and should prove they can rule (get first shot at forming a gov’t). Predictably, Cameron says that Labour have lost their mandate to rule. If only he were wrong about this… (except that he still got outvoted by the two left-centre parties combined).
Both Labour and Conservative parties are hinting at electoral reform concessions though.
What the three main parties are saying in the wake of a hung parliament consensus:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/8667193.stm
*Update – Labour has picked up George Galloway’s old seat of Bethnal Green and Bow. Respect’s candidate, Abjol Miah, finished 10th – ahead of the Pirate Party, but behind the BNP.
I declare Respect officially dead (as if it were anything besides George Galloway and a loose, poorly organized association).
**Update: Argyll and Bute is a LibDem hold, as I predicted last night. SNP is left with 6.
Predictably, Cameron says that Labour have lost their mandate to rule
This is a small bleat and totally O/T so I apologise in advance but language use is important ………… politicians/governments don’t rule; they govern. Monarchs rule but, for the most part, don’t govern.
I know using the word ‘rule’ with respect to governance has become standard recently – even up here on the usually impeccable CBC – so maybe I’m a dinosaur on this.
You’re doing an excellent job on coverage Khirad – well done!!
Point well taken, Mighty Woof. I am paying close attention to their carefully chosen words, but yes, this is more about a shifted usage and was my error, not Cameron’s (I got tired of writing ‘govern’ words).
Cameron said:
“Nationally we have to wait for the full results to come out, but I believe it is already clear that the Labour government has lost its mandate to govern our country”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/8666737.stm
As long as we’re talking semantics though, the usage of ‘country’ in Britain is confusing to me. Scotland, England, Wales and NI are countries (well, I have my own ideas on the last one); but Great Britain and Northern Ireland as a whole is also a country. I suppose it’s a generic term, and is easily discerned given context, but it bugs me that the whole isn’t referred to as ‘nation’ or something.
My biggest pet peeve is in America though, when England and Britain or UK are used interchangeably. Aargh! they’re not the same thing! England is not the UK!!! (rant over)
Eh, that’s just my own hangup.
But as a non-Briton, I won’t presume to understand it; and appreciate your compliment all the more (if I were a Briton I’d have had more an immediate consciousness over the relation of monarch and rule, I imagine!). 🙂
OT – oooh Simon Schama on the Beeb now. I love him. He just said we might have a “poker game as the house burns down” – I love those kind of expressions.
*Speak of the devil, Cameron is speaking now.
Just about begged LibDem’s to join him.
Not only are the two parties trying to court a bride, but that that prize is paradoxically more precious, because the LibDem’s failed to to register at the polls.
Oh gosh Khirad – I suspect most Brits/English don’t know the difference between the usage of United Kingdom vs Great Britain vs England. Having just looked it up on Wikipedia, I’ve realised that my understanding was completely goofy!
Great Britain is the large island containing the territories of England, Scotland and Wales. United Kingdom refers to Great Britain and Northern Ireland. So one is both English/Scottish/Welsh and British. I don’t know what the Northern Irish are called – they are a unique people!
Well, I guess, United Kingdom and Great Britain are actually pretty synonymous, but the origin of the name United Kingdom was the Treaty of Union, which combined the Kingdom of Scotland with the Kingdom of England (and this gave us the Union Jack). Of course, this was not to be an equal union. After all, it is the St. George’s Cross over the St. Andrew’s Cross, and not the other way around! But the official name became the United Kingdom of Great Britain at this time, so, yeah, those two are like the same thing. I still think of the UK as Scotland and England proper for some reason, though. That’s my goof.
This is for everyone who is not as nerdy about flags as me:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Union_Jack_evolution
Of course, in time, with Wales already conquered by England in the late 13th century, the red dragon got no place in the flag and with the near complete subjugation and addition of Ireland in the late 18th century, the St. Patrick’s cross was added, – the flag we see today (St. Patrick’s cross ostensibly representing Northern Ireland now, I suppose – though an Ulster Flag variant would be more appropriate).
Don’t get me started on Northern Ireland. Politically and culturally, it can seem to me like the Alabama of Great Britain. My theory is that all the reasonable Scots-Irish immigrated to North America (though, considering Appalachia and the Confederacy, this can be debatable). As such, though my ancestry in a strictly denominational sense would have me a Protestant, I’ve no affinity for the Orange Lodge, and am decidedly a Republican when it comes to the issue of NI. Of course, the issue is a thorny and incredibly complex one, too much so to go into just now – and my thoughts on the sectarian, political and cultural matters aren’t quite as clear-cut as Republican v. Unionist and Irish v. Ulster Scot, either (another historical irony is that the Scots came from Ulster in the first place, after invading the Dalriada coast and absorbing and intermarrying with the Picts).
By the way, with this talk of history I was reminded of the mailbox thing. This from Time in 1960, I’m not sure many are aware of:
Tony Blair allowed devolution. This means that the Parliament at Westminster is the parliament for the country, which is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and comprises England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.
However, devolution means that the Scots get their own parliament as well, so do the Welsh and so do the Ulstermen. Yet, they still have representation in Westminster. For example, Alex Salmond is a Scottish MP, but also serves in Westminster. Peter Robinson, who was First Minister in Northern Ireland, was (until last night) a serving Ulster Unionist MP in Westminster. It’s the ENGLISH, who effectively have no English Parliament.
The situation exists with Labour that, were they to coalesce with the LibDems, they’d still not have a solid majority. They are also looking to coalesce with the Scottish National Party, as well as Plaid Cymru, the Welsh Nationals. The English aren’t best pleased with a Scottish PM and Chancellor; they’d be even less pleased with the Scottish Nationals having a say in purely national dealings. As surprising as it may seem, there are still deep nationalistic feelings amongst the three countries – many Welsh, English and Scots hate each others’ countries.
Heh, Marion, no, you were preaching to the choir on all that. 🙂
It never hurts though, in case I hadn’t known. I’ve been following – and supportive of the SNP since before devolution (even giving them a little money – before that was probably rightfully outlawed). 1707 was a sham, and returning the Stone of Scone just the start.
Yes, there’s also the irony that with all the talk of it not being fair for Scotland being represented in both Holyrood AND Westminster and with the English National Party (read: Tories) sucking it in the Celtic lands (even Cornwall), it would benefit them in Westminster to push for independence. Of course, this would never happen, and would have too many precedents (like making the Ulster Unionists quite squeamish). No, Tories are Unionists to the core. No odd bedfellows on this. I just delight in irony.
I was also referring to the fact that they are historic countries, which “joined” Great Britain (as if they had a choice in the matter!).
The main point I was trying to get across was that I think it is conceit of any Westminster leader to refer to the whole of Britain as a country in this regard – as they already existed individually.
But then again, it is a generic term, and I accept that. I’m really being quite irreverent with this, actually.
Also, if there is criticism of my nationalist sympathies (Plaid/SNP), that is fine. I know it isn’t ideal and independence is not without its many problems; but I do also believe fervently that they have very real grievances with London.
Northern Ireland results in 2010 General Election declared – List of winners with links to stories on the individual races.
Unionist parties urged to make pact
(Belfast Telegraph is a Unionist paper, so I found this interesting)
Another interesting story:
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/politics/election/stream-of-unionists-help-gerry-adams-to-victory-in-west-belfast-14796809.html#ixzz0nERFpj6V
It is officially a hung Parliament, which is bad all around. According to their (unwritten) constitution, this means that the sitting Prime Minister, if he chooses, can remain. Get that: NO CHANGE UNLESS BROWN RESIGNS. This man will NOT resign.
The big problem is that, even with a LibDem alliance, the LibDems did so poorly, that any coalition with Labour would still not give an overall majority. Of course, it would with the Conservatives, but David Cameron can do NOTHING unless Brown resigns.
This is NOW, as far as Labour goes, ALL ABOUT RETAINING POWER. (Sound like any party we know and loathe in the States?)
Also, the Brits crowed to high heaven in 2000 at our Election fiasco, saying shit like that could never happen in Britain.
Guess what?
It did.
People all over the country were turned away from voting stations. More people than expected turned up, the stations were understaffed, postal ballots were “lost”, thousands of people waited in line for hours, only to be turned away because of deadlines and voting stations ran out of ballots. It didn’t help matters any that a lot of students and first-time voters showed up without the voting cards they were sent in the post. You don’t need these to vote, but if you don’t have them, the officers have to troll through voting registers to find your name and all that takes time. Also, some stations allowed people to vote after 10pm, which is illegal, which means that entire voting district’s returns are invalidated.
This is going to be a holy mess, and the pound will tank.
Yes, I’ve browsed some headlines over the voting problems. I’ll go back and try to find some links on that. But, as you say, the full story has yet to come out.
Was it you whom said that another election would likely be called within a year?
Because, it would be best for Britain for one party to rule, rather than this. And as for Grand Alliance? The German one, while holding back CDU/FDP bloc, was painful (I’m still of a very mixed opinion as to whether it isn’t better for the conservative party to hold all accountability).
The unwritten constitution of the UK is still something which befuddles me, I’m afraid, after all these years.
Stupid question here. I think I remember that once the Queen invited the Tories to form a government, when the results were unclear, and there was a bit of controversy over that.
Could she get involved in resolving any of this (if no resolution is made)? Or did she learn her lesson to stay out of politics? Or is it even her place?
Like I said, probably a really speculative, and off-base question. Just curious, as this situation could be, as you said with the
My admittedly ancient knowledge and memory of the Queen’s role in this is that the monarch can only take such steps as the Prime Minister advises – and Brown is Prime Minister until he concedes defeat. This is also part of the ‘unwritten’ rule – tradition really; a fine balance between theoretical monarchical power and the pragmatic ones (although I’m unsure of what constraints have been put on monarchical power with any written constitution/laws – perhaps Marion can straighten me out on that). The Queen, absent any legislative (since 1971) curbs on monarchical power, could theoretically invite anyone she chose to form the next government – pragmatically, it would be the last such act she would perform; the monarchy would be severely curtailed or abolished altogether. A fine balance.
We had a similar situation in Ottawa last year when the Conservative government requested prorogation of Parliament of the Governor General (the Queen’s Representative in Canada). The request was granted and I’m sure the GG had a boatload of constitutional advice before making that decision – but there is still controversy over it
Voter fraud is easy-peasy in the UK. Once a year, you’re sent a form to fill out – any BRITISH citizens living as such-and-such address over 18, sign on the dotted line. You can put anybody’s name down and they get sent a voting card. Then you just show up at the polling station on election day and vote.
Students are double registered – at their home address and university address. Quite often they request a postal vote for the home address and show up at their uni station, thus voting twice. Scores of foreigners vote and no one questions. Several voting stations’ results have been invalidated because some 15 year-olds put their name down on registration apps and got sent voting cards. People have been known to put their pets’ names on such things, so you get dogs and cats getting voting cards. It’s just shitty.
Of course voter fraud could never happen in the U.S. where I believe there were people registered under the names of their pets and even Mickey Mouse.
This place you call “shitty” used to be my home from the age of 9, I have family and friends there. I would give an arm and a leg to go back there, no place is perfect. I imagine that if you returned to the U.S. now, you would have much more unpleasant things to complain about, don’t you?
My father lives in Derbyshire, the people are friendly, the elderly are looked after well. My sister and her family live in London. The eldest children are married and now live in Gloucestershire. Yes times are hard sometimes, but I don’t hear them complaining all that much, the Brits are quite tough.
I suppose it depends on where you live in England and what you want.
I wanted to vote in this election and I’m a British national. They wanted me to register again and because I couldn’t remember the address of the last place my husband and I lived in London, I couldn’t register. Maybe it’s easy for some, it certainly was a pain in the arse for me.
I think voter fraud occurs in every country where elections are held, Kalima. The extent to which it happens is the real issue IMO.
For many years now we’ve had the option of giving annual permission to the Canadian Revenue Agency to pass our name and address over to Elections Canada for inclusion on the voters list. We then get our voting card in the mail at election time and have to present it when we go and vote. If you forget your card, or didn’t get one for whatever reason, you have to present photo id at the polling station before you can vote. I’m sure there are lots of looopholes in this as well and I’m pretty sure we must also suffer from double voting when it comes to people like students. Again, the issue is the extent to which this is rife in the voting process.
You sound so homesick Kalima 🙁
I am homesick Mightywoof. We used to go back every few years until I became to sick to travel the long distance. We have talked about moving back when hubby retires, but be loves his work too much to retire any time soon.
I am also quite tired, so I will wish you a good day and will catch up in my morning. Good night from a rainy Tokyo. 🙂
Nighty-night Kalima; sleep well.
The balls up at voting stations is, IMO, less serious than voter fraud that is suspected. I heard this reporter from The Independent being interviewed last night:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/the-first-punch-came-landing-on-my-nose-sending-blood-down-my-face-1961464.html