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KQµårk 死神
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OK I’ve being a little disingenuous to make a point.

Probably in 100 years I would not vote for a Republican unless I get Alzheimer’s but I think it’s important to stress what 2010 and 2012 will look like if Obama does not pass his signature issue. I know we have our disagreements on how to get there, but we must get there. Nine months of Obama’s presidency would have been spinning his wheels if healthcare does not pass. Not passing healthcare is simply not an option and makes the future that much worse for Dems and most importantly for us. Every other big issue is predicated on the success of healthcare as well because if it is not passed there will never be enough support to pass other meaningful pieces of legislation.

escribacat
Member

Well, I am relieved to hear that. I was wondering if you had been taken over by a pod person when you said you’d vote for Mitt Romney!

I agree. If they don’t pass HCR, their whole platform crumbles. It’s not an option and Nancy Pelosi and other house members must realize that.

KQµårk 死神
Member

This is my favorite semi-recent protest band “Rage Against the Machine – Wake Up”

FlyingLotus
Member

It’s all about the ying yangie thing a ma jangie with me.

So, I have to counter all that rage with..

KQµårk 死神
Member

To throw out another hypothetical how many Repubs in the Senate right now would vote for the Senate bill maybe with a few changes if McCain was president Rather than Obama?

boomer1949
Member

KQ-
All of them. Why? Because McCain isn’t African-American.
These guys are against anything, and I mean anything proposed by this administration. And, if the truth be known, 99.9% of them agree with policy, but would never, ever step up to the plate. Why? Because their constituents would “seek & destroy” their careers.

Amazing how none of these guys (WHITE guys) only have balls when they are paid for them. Ouch. Isn’t that Prostitution? And all they ever do is throw the women in jail.

KQµårk 死神
Member

In this case even if Hillary was president and she would have won too. The Repubs would have used the same tactic. They take pleasure in doing it more with an African American in charge.

Kalima
Admin

None, he’d have them all gathered in the Men’s Room singing “Bomb, bomb Iran.”

escribacat
Member

If McCain were president I doubt there would be any discussion of HCR at all. Bush never mentioned it to my knowledge. It was Obama who put it on the front burner.

FlyingLotus
Member

I think that hypothetical is moot, as there wouldn’t be a bill if McCrash was prez.

KQµårk 死神
Member

😆 yes this is in one of those crazy “what if Napoleon had a B-52” what ifs for sure.

FlyingLotus
Member

Kalima, you’re talking to a first rate snorter.

Hi, my name is FlyingLotus and I snort when I laugh.

Kalima
Admin

Hi my name is Kalima, I snort when I laugh and talk to myself in the mirror.

FlyingLotus
Member

I’ve advanced wayyyy beyond mirrors.Intersections work for me.The busier the better I say to get my crazy on!

Kalima
Admin

Best of luck with that, I sway from left to right when I walk, a middle ear problem, I’d be mowed down in a second.

The woman in the mirror seems friendly enough, I’ll stay home where it’s safe.

FlyingLotus
Member

Trust me, you made the “saner” choice.

Kalima
Admin

Well, one of these days I’ll have to share what she says to me, I’m not so sure about the “saner.”

Kalima
Admin

😆 Don’t go, stay here and just make me laugh. We will have to exchange tapes to see who’s the loudest but my sister and I are two of the worst, a whole cinema full of people gave us the evil eye once or twice and it wasn’t even a comedy.

Tiger99
Guest

Hows bout some Steppenwolf…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RN281IPHFzw

Once the religious, the hunted and weary
Chasing the promise of freedom and hope
Came to this country to build a new vision
Far from the reaches of kingdom and pope
Like good Christians, some would burn the witches
Later some got slaves to gather riches

But still from near and far to seek America
They came by thousands to court the wild
And she just patiently smiled and bore a child
To be their spirit and guiding light

And once the ties with the crown had been broken
Westward in saddle and wagon it went
And ’til the railroad linked ocean to ocean
Many the lives which had come to an end
While we bullied, stole and bought our a homeland
We began the slaughter of the red man

But still from near and far to seek America
They came by thousands to court the wild
And she just patiently smiled and bore a child
To be their spirit and guiding light

The blue and grey they stomped it
They kicked it just like a dog
And when the war over
They stuffed it just like a hog

And though the past has it’s share of injustice
Kind was the spirit in many a way
But it’s protectors and friends have been sleeping
Now it’s a monster and will not obey

(Suicide)
The spirit was freedom and justice
And it’s keepers seem generous and kind
It’s leaders were supposed to serve the country
But now they won’t pay it no mind
‘Cause the people grew fat and got lazy
And now their vote is a meaningless joke
They babble about law and order
But it’s all just an echo of what they’ve been told
Yeah, there’s a monster on the loose
It’s got our heads into a noose
And it just sits there watchin’

Our cities have turned into jungles
And corruption is stranglin’ the land
The police force is watching the people
And the people just can’t understand
We don’t know how to mind our own business
‘Cause the whole worlds got to be just like us
Now we are fighting a war over there
No matter who’s the winner
We can’t pay the cost
‘Cause there’s a monster on the loose
It’s got our heads into a noose
And it just sits there watching

(America)
America where are you now?
Don’t you care about your sons and daughters?
Don’t you know we need you now
We can’t fight alone against the monster

Khirad
Member

Not much has changed. The view from Slovenia, ’cause I know that’s what everyone wonders, ‘how do Slovenians think of us?’ (chose this over a few German bands, actually)

So the Land of the Free
and the Home of the Brave
Are your stars still so bright
Does your banner still wave
Oh, the Land of the Free
and the Home of the Brave
Are you heaven on Earth
or the gloom of the grave

You
The people of the United States
Did you form a perfect union
Establish justice
Ensure tranquility
Secure the blessings of Liberty
to yourselves and your posterity
How blind can you get
for your country
right or wrong

America
The melting pot

So the Land of the Free
and the Home of the Brave
Are your stars still so bright
Does your banner still wave
Oh, the Land of the Free
and the Home of the Brave
Are you heaven on Earth
or the gloom of the grave

[preacher sample]

Praise the Lord
and Praise the Holy Spirit
to save us from your
Freedom, Justice, Peace
Accordance and Illusion
from Arrogance and Pride
from Violence and Confusion
your Great Despair
and Great Depression
Satanic verses
of your superstition
the Land of Plenty…

Your Bill of Rights
the Enterprise
the Free Will (or Wheel?)
and the Unbroken One (Wand?)
your Self-Esteem
and Self-Desire
your Trust in God
and in Religious Fire

America

The end of History
The end of Time
The end of Family
The end of Crime

Tiger99
Guest

Yeah it’s always all our fault… Now we gonna get blamed for the end of it all too…

Heh Heh Heh

KQµårk 死神
Member

Wow the last part is rough. One of Eastern Europe’s biggest problem is there xenophobic movement. There are more skin heads in Russia the the rest of the world for example. Poland is almost unbelievable. I watch a documentary series “Gangland” and the Easter European gangs are the worst.

FlyingLotus
Member

Artists, generally speaking, in any country are leftyists.

I think people bestow an almost mythical perspective on America.

Maybe I’ll blog on that topic, after the Bordeaux is long finished.

KQµårk 死神
Member

I worked with European companies half my career and talked with many Europeans. The look at America as a huge enigma filled with contradictions. In some ways we do great things like the way we respond to crises around the world and are the first western country to elect a non-Caucasian but on the other hand we still can be racist and xenophobic and very right leaning especially our military intervention.

FlyingLotus
Member

KQ, life, individuals, et all is, are full of contradictions.

Few, very few are not subject to that trait.

KQµårk 死神
Member

True.

The biggest things Europeans don’t understand is why we make it so tough on ourselves. Why we put up with the hours we work, not taking enough vacation time and most of all why we are obsessed without having government help people. It could be our diverse population because since Europe has opened immigration I started hearing them start complaining about the state helping people more.

FlyingLotus
Member

I’m a child of the sixties.Reading the lyrics makes me think not much has changed really.

boomer1949
Member

Flying Lotus,

Me too. And, to a degree, I must admit I’m right there with you.

Tiger99
Guest

They sure seem to apply today don’t they…

FlyingLotus
Member

I may have to call it a night soon.

The SCOTUS decision made me, well, in a word disgusted.

Made me think of this..

escribacat
Member

It must be getting late. It looks like that woman is sitting in a giant diaphragm.

boomer1949
Member

I had to look again E’cat, but you’re absolutely correct. What a hoot! Not you, but the diaphragm.

FlyingLotus
Member

LMAO..Snort..ROFL..Snort!!

Khirad
Member

I love dark Arabic strings. Always give me the chills. I identified at least 4-5 elements in that blend.

FlyingLotus
Member

Me too.I’m a HUGE fan of middle eastern music.

I LOVE the morning call to prayer!And I’m in no way religious but it transports me.

Khirad
Member

The adhan is great, and I can sit back and relax to Qur’an recitation CD’s. It’s probably best I don’t understand it, but absolutely it transports you. It’s enchanting and so visceral.

I have a lot of music that samples it:

FlyingLotus
Member

Wow!I wasn’t expecting that.

FlyingLotus
Member

Not morning, just the call to prayer thingie.

boomer1949
Member

So, I tried this before and will try this again. No political chat importance, not a continuation o VP, just an extension of the Merlot and the fact it is 12:35 am EST (and waaaay past the amount of information my brain is able to handle in a 24 hour period of time). 🙂 Night all…and what a difference 10+ years makes…for each of us:

Tina Arena First 1996
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WP39gyE58qg

Tina Arena 2009 (this one is similar to Austin City Limits and/or
the MTV Unplugged

FlyingLotus
Member

Boom, she’s got some pipes on her!

boomer1949
Member

I know and she is 10+ years older. Imagine that. Loved the teeny bopper version, but this latest is beyond comparison…

Khirad
Member

Just a continuation of the merlot… priceless! 😆

boomer1949
Member

Nah, I had to pay for it, but it is payday and it is Friday, and (okay Saturday), and I can get up whenever I want or at least until the cats have waited long enough for what they perceive to be breakfast.

Khirad
Member

Maybe a little hair of the dog, while you give the cats “breakfast”?

boomer1949
Member

oh khirad,

haven’t done that in years…of course it will be 5:00 pm somewhere. Maybe I’ll just pretend I’m meeting Kalima & WhatThatSound for Happy Hour in Tokyo, eh?

Kalima
Admin

Starts at 6 pm, don’t be late or we’ll start without you.

Khirad
Member

LOL! I’m already getting too old for that myself! Ah the days when I could go out clubbing and get hammered and still go to work on three hours sleep the next day…

boomer1949
Member

Year ago, I could go to sleep at 4 am, get up and be at work by 7am, have bacon, eggs, coffee, & juice feel 1,000% and turn around and do it again.

Jezze — part of me feels the same — yet it takes longer to recover. I guess that’s the key. The longer it takes to recover, the older you are. 🙂

boomer1949
Member

Well for goodness sake — did we have a power outage or did we just drop middle america?

KQµårk 死神
Member

😆 my computer crashed so I don’t know is some vicious code Adlib added got me.

Khirad
Member

Wondering where you went. Not much, I don’t think.

KQµårk 死神
Member

My computer got real slow and then the infamous blue screen.

Khirad
Member

Hey, what gives?

KQµårk 死神
Member

Sorry I deleted the comment because I said the same thing to Adlib in response.

KQµårk 死神
Member

Wow I just went to Huffy a second, don’t ask me why save for the main it’s all about the banks. I just don’t get it people.

Khirad
Member

Don’t get me started. I try not to alienate those into econ, and know it’s important, but something still stinks to high heaven about the obsession. It was a banking main when the Haiti news first broke as the main story on every other site. They got to it the next morning. After all, it was supposed to be another one of their marquee expos

KQµårk 死神
Member

One of the reasons I blame Obama less than most is because in the process he’s the only Dem or pundit or whoever that was invoked in the process that never did anything to slow it down on purpose. He revived the whole effort after teabag August only for people to say he was being too visible. He never said wait for this or that or step back. He tried to set down due dates. He definitely did not say kill the bill like our progressive friends.

Yes some of his actions slowed down the process like trying to get Snowe on board sure. But again most other players did much more to slow down the process than that. Pelosi could have rammed through the House bill before the August recess or at least by the end of September for example but wanted to wait for the Senate. Reid could have seen that he did not have the votes for the PO and got it done in the Senate earlier. The legislator legislates and I think it got further this time because a bill was not rammed down by the white house. Dems hate passing pieces of legislation they don’t own in Congress. Republicans are different in that regard.

In fact now is the only time I saw Obama say slow down. That’s why I know anything new is impossible. He knows that if the House does not pass the Senate bill there is no other way to pass healthcare reform.

The biggest thing that happened to the legislation is that after the Senate passed it Democrats got complacent just like a team on the one yard line of a football game and first and ten they thought the last part was inevitable. If they had realized they had two weeks to consolidate the bills it might have been different.

Again I’m serious if Romney runs on healthcare reform in 2012 I will vote for him. The fact is the GOP over demonizes government but progressives over demonize business as well. Other great healthcare systems that are 100% private run well in countries like the Netherlands, Switzerland and Singapore even at much lower cost and with better service than ours.

FlyingLotus
Member

Romney?

Gasp!

KQµårk 死神
Member

Hey he passed HCR in MA.

escribacat
Member

Are you talking about Mitt Romney?

Khirad
Member

Gonna have to liquor me up and do some more persistent cajoling for me on that one. I admire the cajones for propositioning the idea, though.

KQµårk 死神
Member

The logic is simple. Dems even if they keep their majorities will not be able to do enough between now and 2012 to pass healthcare. Romney could easily pass healthcare because he’ll have almost all Republicans and unlike the Republicans now enough Dems will splinter and vote for healthcare reform even if it’s 100% private.

I really hope I don’t have to and I probably still won’t but I can’t wait 15 more years like some.

Khirad
Member

Ah, I do get the logic on that, actually.

FlyingLotus
Member

True but I can’t get passed the rest of him.He’s as slick and slimy as they come.

FlyingLotus
Member

So what’s the situation here?

Kalima
Admin

😆 “FlyingLotus : This fantastic technology reminds me of jump rope as a kid.” 😆

The last time I joined, I managed to type, “Hi everyone, can’t stay, am up to my eyes in junk” and nobody saw me coming or going.

FlyingLotus
Member

LOL, K!I felt like a paraplegic in the Olympics.

Insert frowny emoticon knitting a sweater, here.

Kalima
Admin

I just couldn’t stop laughing, you said it so many times, I almost wanted to jump in an give you a fanfare announcement, “Hear ye! Hear ye! I was never that good at jumping in when my time came, always got the bloody rope caught between my legs.

Hilarious!

boomer1949
Member

Kalima,

equally bad if it were double dutch…

FlyingLotus
Member

Vox is double dutch on freaking steroids!

Kalima
Admin

Well yeah, it certainly manages to scramble my brain and cross my eyes.

Kalima
Admin

Painful I should imagine, either flat on my mush or flat on my tush. 🙂

FlyingLotus
Member

I was flabbergasted my the multiple posts, as I had never hit send.

It was horrible.I felt like I was seven again.

LMAO

Kalima
Admin

Whatever it was, it made my 7 year old brain laugh like a bloody hyena, don’t stop!

Kalima
Admin

LOL, I think “it toots you leit,” a “lied” is a song, unless you are going to sing to me. Yes, on occasion, I snort too, very unladylike but who gives a shite?

FlyingLotus
Member

Oh so you laugh like a hyena too?

Es tut mir lied.

nellie
Member

That was hilarious.

nellie
Member

omg my stomach hurts from laughing