• nellie : Thank you, everyone!

  • bitohistory : Hiip-Hipp Horay for nellie, and all

  • PatsyT : thank you nellie

  • nellie : THAT’S ALL FOR VOX POPULI BUT WE”RE MOVING OVER TO THE POST, PLEASE JOIN US THERE! HERE’S THE LINK AGAIN: «link»

  • nellie : Agreed Patsy.

  • kesmarn : As they say at the seance….I’ll see you all on the “other side”…

  • PatsyT : nellie sites like this can be part of the the answer other sites started small nudge nudge wink hp

  • kesmarn : TRP You are right!

  • nellie : no problem — good comments!

  • TheRarestPatriot : Ooopp, sorry nellie

  • TheRarestPatriot : The web is just so murky anymore. especially as evidenced by HP and the degradation of content and actual news for a sexier payoff….

  • kesmarn : nellie, and we need reporters who really dig. Not just copy/paste what comes over the wires. It’s down to a handful of reporters who shape the news.

  • nellie : OKAY FELLOW PLANETARIANS, OUR EVENT IS ENDING! THANK YOU ALL FOR A VERY STIMULATING AND SUCCESSFUL SESSION OF VOX POPULI! WE CAN CONTINUE THE DISCUSSIONS AT THE RELATED POST WHICH YOU CAN GO TO THROUGH THIS LINK: «link»

  • nellie : That’s the answer, Kalima!

  • Kalima : Patsy, more people should read the PlanetPOV.

  • nellie : going w the sensational stories

  • nellie : But it seems so many “news” sites are doing the same thing as tv

  • nellie : If we can get sites to really go through the newspapers carefully and pull out the good articles, that would be great

  • bitohistory : Kersmarn, Yep

  • PatsyT : the web will have to fill the void – just how can it be better organized?

  • kesmarn : b’ito! Say it ain’t so!

  • bitohistory : and this is Moyers last year

  • PatsyT : ethics in journalism ha fairness doctrine

  • Kalima : Everyone takes my money with a smile. :)

  • TheRarestPatriot : …and they expect your vote next election, too

  • nellie : And never get punished for it

  • bitohistory : Kalima crooks may take your money, but crooked politicions do it with a smile

  • kesmarn : Journalistic ethics–whathehe ll happened??

  • PatsyT : stories that keep us in the dark & confused so we tune in again tomorrow- so true nellie

  • Kalima : Well I’ve been popping in and out. Back to my cleaning. See you in a bit.

  • TheRarestPatriot : Only 2 media people I ever trusted…and was never let down by…Charles Kuralt and Cronkite…

  • kesmarn : Patsy, Moyers’ documentation is excellent, too!

  • PatsyT : kersmarn true that on bill moyers one of the only sane voices

  • nellie : TRP — that’s a good way to put it

  • bitohistory : there are many senators that can take the money and still vote for the people, only a few don’t, and that is where we get screwed

  • nellie : It seems they look for the stories that will keep the public most uninformed!

  • TheRarestPatriot : I hate crooks with political motives and, yes, vice versa….

  • kesmarn : OOps. Meant to say people can NOT focus for a Moyers show!

  • PatsyT : MSM right now are all tiger ed up They are a little to weak no cronkites!

  • Kalima : I hate crooks but I hate crooked politicians even more.

  • kesmarn : People like Bill Moyers report on the dirty dealings, but the tea baggers never even see it. Nor a lot of center-type people, either. It’s like they can focus for the length of a Moyers show.

  • PatsyT : house represents the majority and the senate ??? they are behind – lagging indicators!

  • nellie : And a good bill, too

  • nellie : true Patsy

  • PatsyT : It is the senate that is the trouble right now- if it was up to the house we would have health care right now

  • kesmarn : Right, Kalima. It’s all about the $$$

  • bitohistory : Patsy ads? where is the MSM on reporting it now?

  • kesmarn : Yes, nellie. No breaks.

  • Kalima : kesmarn, bought and paid for.

  • nellie : I think if people are going to filibuster, they should have to stand in the well and talk.

  • kesmarn : b’ito. That’s depressing. Maybe the filibuster needs to be re-worked somehow.

  • PatsyT : I think of the campaign ads that can be made against repubs for being such total obstructionists not wanting to govern

  • Kalima : That’s my point, they are “supposed” to.

  • bitohistory : Kersarn, they are are on pace to break that record

  • kesmarn : Kalima, more & more they seem to work for Wall St. and the insurance industry.

  • nellie : well, they’re supposed to represent us

  • Kalima : Nellie on this they should, don’t they work for you?

  • bitohistory : nellie dems never do

  • kesmarn : b’ito, I had not seen that 159 figure. That’s appalling. They surely do play dirty.

  • nellie : Dems don’t agree w each other, that’s the problem.

  • Kalima : Well there seem to be more of the cry of “I won’t vote.”

  • bitohistory : It takes 67 votes to change the rules (?)

  • PatsyT : Dems need to pull together and get on with it they were not elected to fail

  • kesmarn : It’s tough to know what to do to get the Repubs under control, though. They have just enough Congress people to be formidable.

  • TheRarestPatriot : wow

  • bitohistory : It was used 159 times by the rethugs last session

  • nellie : It’s hard for me to believe the country would give congress back to the GOP so soon after Bush.

  • Kalima : Nellie, if the Dems don’t pull their socks up, it could be a majority of Repubs next year.

  • kesmarn : I read somewhere that the filibuster was extremely rare until 2006, when the Repubs started using/threatenin g constantly.

  • PatsyT : Can the filibuster be tied more into the majority rule ?

  • TheRarestPatriot : Dems are far too polite and self effacing to use it….(ie: last Admin)

  • nellie : I think it would be easy to get rid of it — but some people still think it’s an important safeguard. What if the majority were GOP?

  • bitohistory : it is not so much the rule 22 as is the abuse of its use

  • kesmarn : How much travail would there be in dumping it?

  • TheRarestPatriot : I’ll just stick with the obvious maybe….Teddy K.

  • PatsyT : How can the Fillbuster be what american people want when majority pick an canadiate this just gives the minority a way out NO MAJORITY RULE

  • bitohistory : S’arah would frost the rethugs and dems alike.