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nellie On November - 21 - 2009

Senate_in_sessionThis thread is for anyone watching the current debate who would like to discuss it.

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  1. bitohistory says:

    Thought best to move over here. HC BILL. McCain up now (AGAIN) and asking once again to send the bill back to committee. He wannts nothing less than to kill this bill. He didn’t even show up half the time in the committee meetings to work on the bill!

  2. kesmarn says:

    It’s almost 2:30 a.m. where I am. I’m finally getting a chance to see what transpired in the “real world” (if DC can be called that) while I was at work, thanks to all of you here. Reading through the hundreds of play-by-play comments made it really come alive. Things are looking better these days. Hope Reid et al can pull it off!

    But before I hit my new memory foam pillow, I have to say once more that AdLib is that rare combination of a very capable tech person and an amazing “people person”--namely a very calm, fair, even-handed and even-tempered administrator. You have no idea how much that is appreciated.

    Are there ever nights when you go to bed with a giant headache?

  3. nellie says:

    I’m going to say good night as well. I have empty pages staring at me that must be filled with writing, or I’m in the dog house w my two puppies!

    Today was another good day on the planet. Thanks everyone. Peace and pleasant dreams, all. And Kalima — have a great rest of the day.

  4. BigDogMom says:

    I’m off too, night all…

  5. bitohistory says:

    Good night all meds an beds time for me.
    Kalima, have a nice Tea Time

  6. KevenSeven says:

    Hang on, hang on, hang on!

    What? This is not the LAST cloture motion?

    This business is killing me.

  7. sharonh says:

    I cannot believe not one republican female voted to proceed against a brazenly sexist insurance industry. Shameful.

  8. javaz says:

    This was fun while it lasted,
    Keven is going to be ban me,, so c’est la vie,


    Am banned, so tyvm, and it was a good run

    • KQuark says:

      javaz you are not getting banned. What the hell happened? I go away for a few minutes and all hell breaks out.

    • bitohistory says:

      Good Night, dear one. We will all find our civility on the morn. Sweet dreams.

    • Kalima says:

      K7 can’t ban you javaz.

    • KevenSeven says:

      You might want to drop the violin.

      I am not going to ban you.

      I am not certain that I could.

      But you have no business calling me an asshole.

    • HITO says:

      You are not banned. Wish I could show you the thread 3 days after signing in here. K7 told me I was on probation for my conflicts at HP. Adlib set him and I straight.

      Javaz, please don’t go anywhere. One thing I’ve learned over the last 3 weeks, that to disappear is not solution. I aborted 4 socks at HP, and I now regret it.

      We must keep the fight for the correct going. And you clearly are an important member in that.

      Good night sweetness.

      See you tomorrow. Promise.

    • AdLib says:

      javaz, Keven can’t ban you, I am the Admin and we don’t ban here. This exchange is very unfortunate but I guarantee all here that I will be working with everyone involved to resolve this, put it behind us and move forward positively.

      As I mentioned below, conflicts happen between husbands and wives, parents and kids, best friends and the constructive response is to recognize such moments are inevitable between independently minded people but if they share most of the same sensibilities, it’s just the task of ironing out what happened and putting it behind them.

      That’s what will happen in this case.

    • nellie says:

      There is no banning here. Alors, a bientot!

    • BigDogMom says:

      Nite javaz, take care.

  9. bitohistory says:

    I have been here since early this morning. I have gone most of the day having many civil and thoughtful conversations concerning the HC vote. Nary a word about about HP or their posts and comments. It has been enjoyable. In the words of Bret: “Scarlet, I don’t give a shit about HuffPo”

    May I suggest, with AdLib’s permission, that every one wanting to discuss the late HuffPo, that they open their own post. Speaker corner?


    • escribacat says:


      • AdLib says:

        Nope, Speakers Corner is for non-news/issue-related articles. It’s open and public like every other category here except the articles posted under it just don’t appear as front page articles, like our Morning Blog which is there right now. It’s an editorial choice to feature POVs on issues of substance on the front page.

        I appreciate bitohistory’s suggestion, we do strive to have important issue-based articles on our front page but Authors will always remain free to write articles as they choose.

  10. nellie says:

    I can’t help but think about all the nail biting followed by really good news since Mr. Obama came on the scene. First the primary — my apologies to Hillary fans, but I was an Obama supporter. Then the election. Then Sotomayor. The House health care vote — another squeeker. And now the Senate Cloture vote.

    I could get used to this nail-biting, happy sigh of relief routine if we keep making progress.

    • choicelady says:

      Nellie -- I also do the nail-biting/deep sigh thing! Thank you for making me realize I’m not alone. I agree though -- unlike our narcissitic “progressive” allies on “the other post” that real progress has been made indeed. But I surely do agree -- it would be a LOT easier on the nerves if it could be less perilous! Why do RW things seem to ease by but progressive reform is agonizingly slow? Oh. Right. The RW are the people paid billions to screw up the world. We volunteer to fix it. That’s why.

  11. KevenSeven says:

    Anyway, where were we? Oh, yeah.

    The Dem party’s primary initiative just passed the last hurdle, and we will have a bill to defend in 2010.

    Me, I think it will go well. With a little luck, KSM will have been convicted by then. That would be cool.

    (I passed on that straight line.)

    • BigDogMom says:

      This is what the Dems need, some forward positive momentum to give them some confidence in standing up to those dweebs.

    • choicelady says:

      Hi all -- been out of touch much this week working the DC line to get this to this point. BUT, even though I’ve been talking to some Hill staffers, I’m not so sure this is a done deal. I fear the NEXT cloture vote to move it TO a vote -- that’s where Lieberman et al. can screw us if this bill is actually good for people. For some reason, even some Dems don’t seem to think things that benefit people, that reflect our common humanity and responsibility for one another, are nearly so neat as things that make corporations rich. So -- someone talk me down! I’ve been working on this daily for MONTHS, and I think I left many of my brain cells on a flight from east to west. Help!

      • escribacat says:

        Well, choicelady, I’d like to congratulate you and thank you….so far so good anyway! The bill has “died” a thousand deaths already, and it still chugs along. I must be an eternal optimist. I think it would never have made it this far if it wasn’t going to pass. I think some of those slimebags are holding out for some more “candy” in exchange for their votes. I think we’re going to get it passed.

        • bitohistory says:

          escriba, that is how most legislation is done.
          However in my life, I don’t recall congress being so idiotically divided. Maybe close to it on passage of the first civil rights bills

      • nellie says:

        We’ve had a question today — the next cloture vote — would that be on the conferenced bill, or is there another chance for a filibuster on the Senate bill?

        • choicelady says:

          Both, thanks. The Senate bill that emerges from debate has to be moved to a vote and can be blocked. This will be the most dangerous moment. If that passes and goes to Conference and a new version comes out, it goes BACK to the Senate -- and can be filibustered to prevent a final vote. Why the Senate permits this -- it’s a rule, not a Constitutional mandate- is beyond me. Remember the Reeps on the “up or down vote”? That’s just for their issues…the right to filibuster should either be revived in full -- you’re on stage 24/7 -- or dropped. However, it exists, and we have to deal with it.

  12. HITO says:

    I don’t need undeserved shit from a poster who clearly has it out for me.

    See you later kids.

    • javaz says:

      Let me ask Kevenseven, a question?
      Or multiple questions?

      Is it really necessary to correct people’s spelling?

      Is it really necessary to correct people when you do your weekly seminar to tell them, in not so friendly terms, that they are off topic?

      Are you one of the founders of this site?

      Lighten up.
      Or you are going to lose members.

      Lighten up, or you are going to lose valuable people.

      • KevenSeven says:

        Happy to answer your questions:

        Is it “necessary” to correct spelling? No. Let me ask you a question: What sort of adult is wounded by simple corrections of spelling? I don’t write “what, were you home schooled”.

        Is it “necessary” to tell people that they are off topic in a discussion that I am leading? (And I was perfectly civil about it) Yes. That is the whole point. To move toward an answer to a question. Answers to other questions do not advance the goal.

        Yes, I am one of the charter members of this site.

        I don’t know what you mean by “lighten up”. I was asking HITO if she could explain why it matters where I live? But if I hurt your feelings, I am sorry.

        I don’t want anyone to leave. But I also don’t want people to challenge the validity of other’s opinions on frivolous and insulting grounds.

        You are free to have a differing opinion. This is a political debate site. It is not a universal group hug. We need to be civil to each other, but if you need ointment on your bunions, I may not be the guy to ask.

        And calling me an asshole is against the rules. You should not do that.

        • Kalima says:

          Kev have you ever considered that the person who you chose to correct, could be dyslexic?

          • KevenSeven says:

            Well, I suppose that is possible. And seeing as I am not throwing around insults with the occasional correction, I don’t know why it would cause so much pain.

            • Kalima says:

              Correcting someone’s spelling on a public blog is demeaning to that person, just my opinion. Sorry.

            • Kalima says:

              Anonymous or not, there are people like myself who find it unnecessary or even rude. Nothing at all to do with the thickness of one’s skin.

              I’m sorry, I was brought up in Europe, maybe we view things differently there.

            • KevenSeven says:

              My opinion is that one needs to have a very thin skin indeed to be wounded, as an anonymous person, by such a correction from another anonymous person.

              But what do I know?

    • HITO says:


      And BTW, “Babe” is one of my favorite words.

      Hey, I have a brother too…didn’t see him for 17 years, and he’s resurfaced recently. He looks amazingly like the Stockbrocker dude at Huffy.

      Javaz, thank you very much for your compassion and understanding. Wasn’t trying to do anything but post relevant concerns relating to my state, which is very much in the shitter compared to bygone days. NY used to be a top contributor to the feds.


    • KevenSeven says:

      It is not permitted to refer to another poster here as an asshole.

  13. BigDogMom says:

    I was worried about ol’fishlips Lieberman, but when I was over at HP, forgive me, the planet seemed to be stuck, then I saw this:


    Gee, now I feel so much better…..

  14. FeloniousMonk says:

    Was amused in my visit to Never Never Land where the junior Rethugs were doing their standard lines. “Well, this is as far as it gets.” Etc. Somehow they need to learn to deal with their disappoints better. Will they all be in front of their altars to Sarah Palin praying for that miracle tonight?

    They weren’t even worth commenting to. Of course, neither was much of anyone else there either.

    • AdLib says:

      There are still a number of clever and thoughtful folks over there, wish we could convince more to liberate themselves from the unnecessary abuse and repression over there.

      I know some think they’re fighting the good fight but I think many here believe that war’s already been lost.

      • FeloniousMonk says:

        I just observe the patterns and don’t see many of them changing. It’s Huffington’s Desease, highly addicting and difficult to defeat. I think that some of our friends over there really do like the fast paced banter and questionable social behavior they cannot exercise elsewhere. I understand we’re working slowly towards a critical mass, but we aren’t providing some of the “juice” that it seems others crave. Personally, I can do without it here and am much happier. But I admit I go over to roll some heads on occasion.

        • escribacat says:

          I confess I’m just as addicted as ever. My obsessive personality. But at least it’s better than some other addictions I’ve had in the past! Honestly, I’m more concerned at this point about the amount of time I waste. It’s interfering with other things.

      • nellie says:

        I think the good fight is better fought by leaving the site and sending a message that progressives are looking for something better.

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