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KQµårk 死神 On November - 16 - 2009

gitmo460CNN Poll: Americans want KSM tried in military court

Washington (CNN) – Two-thirds of Americans disagree with the Obama administration’s decision to try Khalid Sheik Mohammed in a civilian court rather than a military court, according to a new national poll.

But six in 10 people questioned in a CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey released Monday say that the alleged mastermind of the 9/11 attacks should be tried in the United States, as the administration plans to do, rather than at a U.S. facility in another country.

The poll indicates that 64 percent believe Mohammed should be tried in military court, with 34 percent suggesting that he face trial in civilian court. Six in 10 people questioned say Mohammed should be tried stateside, with 37 percent calling for the trial to take place at a U.S. facility in another country.

“The decision to bring Khalid Sheikh Mohammed in front of a civilian court is universally unpopular – even a majority of Democrats and liberals say that he should be tried by military authorities,” says CNN Polling Director Keating Holland. “Despite that, most Americans say that he will get a fair trial in the U.S.”

Even Gov. Paterson does not want to the trials to happen in his state.

Amazing!  The American people still show themselves to be fearful little rodents that would rather disregard our Constitution and rule of law than follow them.  I am really starting to believe that the American people are just so ignorant and cynical that we get what we deserve, no progress, no law, no universal healthcare reform, no nothing.

Like Rachel always says, “I need to be talked down”.

Categories: Featured, Justice, Torture

Written by KQµårk 死神

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  1. SueInCa says:

    When a Republican president has an al qaeda suspect tried in FEDERAL court:

    “And, you know, obviously I

  2. monicaangela says:

    So we believe CNN polls now? Wording can make the outcome of a poll be whatever you want it to be. I don’t believe the CNN poll. 0 😉

  3. bitohistory says:

    What the hell is the matter with you guys? The Constitution is just a piece of paper.
    OH-Really and KKKarl “the fear-monger-in-chief” Rove chimed in on this terrible plan of AG Holder.http://thinkprogress.org/2009/11/17/oreilly-trials-constitution/
    Why do these people hate America? Or is America just wearing a lapel flag?

  4. javaz says:

    “At the same time, I was in awe of our system,” the former mayor continued. “It does demonstrate that we can give people a fair trial, that we are exactly what we say we are. We are a nation of law. . . . I think he’s going to be a symbol of American justice.”

    “I think it shows you put terrorism on one side, you put our legal system on the other, and our legal system comes out ahead.”

    “And if there

  5. AdLib says:

    CNN should have also asked in the poll WHY they preferred a military trial over a criminal trial, then at least their lynch mob mentality would have been honestly expressed.

    They want a trial to be as fast and unfair as possible, a criminal trial would be too fair for them.

    To them I ask, if he’s so guilty that you want him tried and executed ASAP, why can’t he be tried fairly and publicly so everyone around the world can see that?

    Maybe CNN could do another poll:

    “Would you prefer trying and executing KSM ASAP in a secret military trial even if it caused some around the world to call it a sham and make him appear as an innocent martyr to some who may in turn want to come to America and commit an act of terror to get even?”

    Hmm…wonder how many “die-hards” would still choose military trials then?

    • LITU says:

      “a military trial over a criminal trial”

      “if he

      • SueInCa says:

        NYC is where the crime occured, laws state it needs to be held there. Change of venue will do no good because most Americans are not friends of KSM

    • KQuark says:

      We all know how the questions are asked influences the poll. If they had framed it as every terrorist suspect has been tried in civilian courts in the past should we break the Constitution now and try them in military tribunals? Of course you would get a different result. But what this poll shows is the ignorance of the American people to our own recent history and worse how well GOP fearmongering has embedded itself into the psyche of the American people. For those two societal ills there is obviously not a cure obviously.

  6. Kalima says:

    If your life was structured by the results of polls, you might be afraid to ever leave the safety of your own house. I don’t hold too much with these results and CNN is not the “boss of me” or my own personal opinions.

    As I said yesterday on another thread, terrorism is cold blooded murder, murder is a criminal offense and he should be tried as other mass murderers in a civilian court of law. Terrorism is not as Bush believed or wanted the American people to believe, an act or war and never has been.

    • nellie says:

      Well said, Kalima! It’s hard to understand how terrorism can be an act of war when there’s no country involved.

      As Randi Rhodes used to say about the “war on terror” — I can’t fight this feeling any more.

    • escribacat says:

      I am sure that US law enforcement agrees with you that this was a criminal offense, not an act of war. When I was being trained to be a victim advocate, two different law enforcement trainers in two different venues used the same example for “how big can a crime scene be?” — the same picture of the smoking towers in Manhattan. I’m sure they didn’t realize they were making a political statement!

      • SueInCa says:

        That is what I want to go into. I am going to school now, but what type of training did you go through? Is there a shorter path for me to take or is the college degree necessary? I just assumed it was. I have an AA but not a Batchelors

        • escribacat says:

          Hi Sue. I am a volunteer, which is the best way to get into that field. I work with two paid advocates, both of whom started out as volunteers. Contact your local PD and ask them about their Victim Services group--they provide all the training. I’m not sure if they require a degree or not to get a paid position, but I do know that having a degree always helps!

  7. KevenSeven says:

    And this would be why having a constitution is a good idea…..

  8. Khirad says:

    Paging Rudy “I was for trials before I was against them” Giuliani.

  9. escribacat says:

    Before taking this survey, they should have done a preliminary survey with questions like: Do you understand the difference between military court and civilian court? Do you think the Gitmo prisoners should have a trial? Do you think all the prisoners in Gitmo are responsible for 911?

    Does anyone really think the average American understands the difference? Half these people probably couldn’t even tell you where Gitmo is.

    • KQuark says:

      I think most Americans would not even understand your questions.

    • Khirad says:

      Sorry, I just reread that in Gitmo’s voice (from TDS) involuntarily. LOL!

      But of course, I hate the way they treat polls as gospel which ask such basic questions, without any context.

      I saw one today that asked how many people wouldn’t vote for Sarah Palin (sorry for bringing the other thread over a little): 53%. How many do you think said they didn’t think she was qualified? 60%! Now, not the same thing exactly, I’m sure the methodology got twisted up somewhere to give us this seemingly contradictory data (or did it?). My point? that it would totally make sense given our general electorate.

  10. PepeLepew says:

    I was right. I found two polls, done in 2002 and 2007, that show a shockingly low level of respect for the 1st Amendment:



  11. PepeLepew says:

    I’m not terribly surprised. Many polls have shown that, deep down inside, Americans don’t actually believe in freedom of speech or freedom of the press, etc. Americans take their freedoms and their constitution for granted.

    • AdLib says:

      I remember back around 2003 they took a poll of high school students across America and the majority opposed anyone speaking out against The President…Bush, that is.

      If many Americans aren’t ignorant, why is it so easy to sway public opinion?

      People who come to conclusions based on knowledge, critical thinking and reason can’t be convinced to vote for McCain/Palin instead of Obama/Biden because of a new commercial or sound byte.

      But many Americans can be.

      What Bush did was inoculate many to advertising for a period of time…by making their lives hell. Ads can’t convince you to stay the course when the course has made you lose your job and your home.

      But when the pain recedes, these folks who have been brought up by American society to be open to being “sold”, could turn around in the future and elect someone else who clearly is going to make their lives worse.

    • KQuark says:

      The worse part is some cannot be tried in civilian courts because Bush messed up so bad. But we have enough evidence to try KSM in a civilian court. I just don’t understand why people don’t want real justice for these criminals. Again the American people are just ignorant.

      • Khirad says:

        My only question with that, not to be a devil’s advocate, is will how many times we waterboarded him come up and how much evidence will be thrown out?

        I still think we’ll have enough to put him away from routine intelligence, but that is what could be an unpredictable factor.

        • KQuark says:

          All evidence obtained by torture must be thrown out to try KSM in civilian court. Allot of evidence will not be admissible. There is some “secret” evidence they can use as well. But from my understanding the reason these defendants were even considered for trial is because they have enough admissible evidence for the prosecutions.

    • KQuark says:

      Yup. It does not because of Aryanna’s memes her progressive flock are only worried more about AIG and Geihtner anyway. Not one main on Bankington Post about these trials since AG Holder made this decision. So much for justice being an important progressive issue.

      • Khirad says:

        Bankington Post — thank you! My lord! You’ve got a one in three chance of guessing the main on any day.

        If it is any indication, when I was there, it was a morgue, to steal KevinSeven’s parlance.

        I simply didn’t have much to add and said I’m tired of this manufactured outrage, I’ll be over at the planet.

      • escribacat says:

        Not much about the president’s important talks in China either.

        • PepeLepew says:

          I hate to admit it, but I was actually intrigued by the AIG story, as much as I’m really *really* sick of all the anti-Geithner articles. I was also intrigued by the unemployment story, though that stayed the main for about three hours…

          • bitohistory says:

            Watched some of the house hearings on B of A and tarp etc. Two Republicans(Issa &?) kept trying to pin the whole fall on Geithner. The bankers wouldn’t bite on that bait. A bit funny.

        • KQuark says:

          Nope it does not fit the constant outrage meme.

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