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Written by bito

Was once a handsome frog until kissed by an ugly corporate princess.----- Like a well honed knife, the internet can be a wonderful and useful tool. It can be used to prepare and serve a delicious meal or it can be used to cause harm. peace

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  1. kesmarn says:

    Forget the ice water fund-raising project for ALS research! ARIANNA HUFFINGTON NEEDS YOUR MONEY!

    Yes. Apparently she and HuffPo are so broke, that they need reader contributions to keep their Ferguson coverage going! :roll:

    Otherwise, you’ll get nothing but the usual puppy videos and side-boob pix.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/20/ferguson-fellowship_n_5696323.html?1408579936

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    • Didn’t it used to be, not so long ago, that when a company or corporation sponsored a fellowship, it was seen as a good PR move?

      Greed is so psychologically and emotionally blinding, as to make people stupid. (Arianna and her minions)

      If I were Ms. Stewart, I would steer a wide and clear path away from Arianna and her ilk.

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    • monicaangela says:

      How low can you go, or I guess I can say how low will the folks at HP go before they hit rock bottom. I truly thought they were there years ago…it appears I’m wrong again. :)

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      • kesmarn says:

        Isn’t it amazing, monica? They bill themselves as a news site and then want anybody but themselves to pay their reporters.

        Then they try to paper it over with a feel-good name like “Fellowship.” Huge eye roll!

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        • monicaangela says:

          They are accustomed to having reporters, the majority of them work for free, while they make out like bandits. They also are trying to get in on the new wave of generosity that seems to be overtaking this nation. Ever since President Obama raised billions for his campaign through small donations it appears everybody has tried to get in on the act. I bet I get at least 30 to 40 pieces of U.S. Snail Mail a week asking for donations, a few legitimate, and the rest vultures on the prowl. I am like Nirek, most of my donations are local, and most of the people I donate to are people I know need my help. Greed has overtaken the people of this nation, and the methods in which most of the wealthy try to get what they want has nothing to do with work. Everybody is a con artist these days it appears, HP and AOL are no exception. :)

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    • I read through some of the comments. P.T. Barnum was right. There’s a sucker born every minute!

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    • Nirek says:

      Kes, it is a trap I will not fall into. Once you give them money they keep asking for more.
      I try to give locally when I know the person in need is getting all that I give. Too much goes toward administration with so many charities.

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  2. kesmarn says:

    WARNING — GRAPHIC VIDEO

    This is important information though. Here is a bystander’s video of the most recent shooting in the St. Louis area. The one in which the victim was allegedly threatening the police with a knife.

    Surely there were other options to what the police did here:


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    • Jesus H. Christ. I counted at least 7 shots, fired at close range. Like the people kept saying, the cops could have just tazed this man. Then the chickenshit moffos cuffed the dead body. They CUFFED a dead body. That is just beyond sick.

      The man who took the video better get out of town for a while and protect that video. He just got video of a murder.

      It’s good that this video is being circulated. Holy shit! A hard rain is definitely gonna fall.

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      • kesmarn says:

        I know! How bizarre was it to cuff a dead man? I wonder what their rationale was. Or were they so totally panicked that they couldn’t even think straight?

        Honestly, I amazed at some of the people who are doing police work in that area. It’s like they’re operating from a position of perpetual and totally disabling terror — all the time. Not a good head in which to be making life-or-death decisions.

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    • monicaangela says:

      This is getting bad. Are the police operating under the ALEC stand your ground laws now…feel threatened, shoot to kill? There has to be a better way. I agree with the bystanders, they could have brought this situation under control without resorting to lethal force.

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      • Nirek says:

        If they had tried to talk the guy down and treat him with some respect they never would have had to shoot him! I counted 9 shots 7 first then 2 more after the first volley ! Talk about “overkill”!

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      • kesmarn says:

        I agree with the bystanders too, monica. I recently retired from a career in nursing. It wasn’t unusual for patients (or sometimes family members) to become agitated and hostile — either because of mental health problems, med reactions, frustration, or dementia.

        Sometimes they would even pick up things like knives from dinner trays, glass items, metal nail files, etc., and brandish them.

        Obviously none of us nurses were armed. And even if we had been, it would never have occurred to us to shoot these people! They virtually always could be talked down from whatever was agitating them.

        Rarely, we’d have to call security. But I never saw any security person once pull a weapon (not even mace) or use his handcuffs. Not in 24 years with one employer.

        If we “little women” (I’m about five feet tall) could do this, why can’t they?

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        • monicaangela says:

          I know exactly what you are talking about Kes, my mom was a nurse and then became a nurse practitioner before she retired. Mom recounted many incidents like the one you just wrote in your comment.

          I truly cannot understand what is happening with police, are they being trained to operate this way in certain neighborhoods? It was obvious the victim in this video was not acting rationally, but to have to shoot him that many times and then handcuff him? And, did you see the way they were treating the bystanders. They could have explained the fact that they had to tape off the area because it was a crime scene, and I do mean crime. Why do they have to have such a nasty attitude toward the people they encounter? This opportunity to see how police conduct themselves in this area is an eye opener for me, what a mess.

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          • kesmarn says:

            Right, monica! That nastiness is totally uncalled for and — I think — tends to escalate the tension already in the situation.

            I was watching live coverage of Ferguson before Ron Johnson took over and there seemed to be a type off gratuitous disrespect exhibited by the police. The person broadcasting over the bullhorn would say. “Move to the sidewalks!! Do. It. NOWWWW!!!” Just the way some people would speak to a dog. It aggravated me — from hundreds of miles away! I can only imagine how irritating it would have been to be on the scene and to be spoken to in that arrogant, condescending tone.

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        • Nirek says:

          Kes, you nurses are wonderful people. Police seem to have a different way of looking at people. They see a black man and jump to the conclusion that he is a potential threat. They see a young white kid with stringy hair and jump to the conclusion that he is a junkie. They are looking through eyes that can’t see the good in people, unlike you and nearly all nurses.

          Full disclosure, my wife is a retired nurse. Nurses are some of the best people on this planet.

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          • kesmarn says:

            All I can do is blush, Nirek! :oops:

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          • kesmarn says:

            Thanks so much for those kind words, Nirek. I didn’t mean to appear to be “fishing” for compliments or anything (although it’s nice to get them! ;-) ), but only to point out that brute force is not the only way to deal with upset people.

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            • Nirek says:

              Kes, it has been my experience that nurses are wonderful caring people. The compliment is meant for you and all nurses. Like I said my wife was a nurse and I know they work hard and they do the dirty jobs, too. Nurses do not work just for the money, they care about other human beings. You sure will not get rich nursing.

              By the way, Monica is a nurse too. “Nuff said, huh?

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  3. Kalima says:

    Some people will never learn.

    After all of the media spotlighting excessive force by the police in Ferguson, this Rambo wannabe points his big gun at a protester, is led away from the scene and later suspended. Then people wonder why the protests continue.

    This guy should be removed from the police force before he actually guns down another innocent person in cold blood.

    —-

    Officer ‘Go F*ck Yourself’ Points Giant Rifle at Camera, Tells Ferguson Protesters ‘I’ll F*cking Kill You’

    http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/08/cop-ferguson-ill-fcking-kill-you.html

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  4. monicaangela says:

    Rest in Peace James Foley

    “Goodbyes are only for those who love with their eyes. Because for those who love with heart and soul there is no such thing as separation.”
    ~~~~~~~~~~ Rumi

    I have followed the work of this freelance reporter for quite some time now. I really was hoping and praying that this would be propaganda and not the truth. My condolences to the family and friends of James Foley, May he, James Foley, Rest in Peace.

    For those who would like to review some of the work of Mr. Foley, I am providing this link.

    http://jamesafoley.com/photos/

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    • kesmarn says:

      His family has said that he was “a martyr for freedom,” and they’re right, monica.

      A heart-breaking and infuriating situation. These ISIS people really do need to be stopped. Our Muslim friends here in Ohio are just appalled by this needless death.

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  5. Kalima says:

    So this is Ferguson. Anyone can be elected regardless of their past, as long as they are white.

    A story so sickening you feel that if you start to scream, you might never stop.

    —-

    FROM FERGUSON COP EMBROILED IN A BRUTALITY SUIT TO CITY COUNCILWOMAN

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/19/from-ferguson-cop-embroiled-in-a-brutality-suit-to-city-councilwoman.html

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    • kesmarn says:

      Ah…the Delicate Flower of Southern Womanhood.

      “Tidy little house….mother of three children”…sadist.

      The further the media probe into this necrotic little pocket of racism known as Ferguson, the worse it gets.

      Here’s another person — along with the police chief and the mayor — who needs to be unemployed in the immediate future. Even her original Burger King job was way above her level of competence to start with.

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      • Kalima says:

        Hi kes. The fact that they arrested and brutalised the wrong man with the same name doesn’t seem that much of a problem for any of the people involved. It’s mind boggling.

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        • kesmarn says:

          Right! Different middle name and — of course — different SS number! For people who insist that everyone has to have the exactly correct form of ID to be able to vote, they’re pretty sloppy about checking info on the people they arrest.

          But — as long as they had him in custody — hey — might as well beat him. What is wrong with these people?

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          • Kalima says:

            It’s no wonder that the protests continue in Ferguson after decades of this type of discrimination. Years and years of this would be enough to put any decent human being over the top. They should fire the whole lot of them in local government and the police department in my opinion. When something is that rotton to the core, you can’t just keep cutting out the decaying bits, you have to dispose of the whole thing.

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    • monicaangela says:

      And some people continue to wonder why so much strife in Ferguson Missouri and around the country. This happens everyday, everywhere in the U.S. and yes, police officers are known to strike young children some even younger than 12. And, as for the council woman, there are many, many unqualified people on city councils, state legislatures, and yes even in the Federal government with backgrounds like hers and worse.

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  6. monicaangela says:

    AMERICAN VALUES

    Which items on the list below are considered American values?

    Personal Control over the Environment
    Change
    Time & Its Control
    Equality
    Individualism/Privacy
    Self-Help
    Competition
    Future Orientation
    Action/Work Orientation
    Informality
    Directness/Openness/Honesty
    Practicality/Efficiency Materialism/Acquisitiveness
    Fate
    Tradition
    Human Interaction
    Hierarchy/Rank/Status
    Group’s Welfare
    Birthright Inheritance
    Cooperation
    Past Orientation
    “Being” Orientation
    Formality
    Indirectness/Ritual/”Face”
    Idealism
    Spiritualism/Detachment

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  7. EXFANOFARIANA says:

    From what I’ve read on this Michael Brown guy, let’s say he was not exactly a “saint”stealing and assaulting??? He OUGHT TO KNOW ONLY GOLDMAN SACHS can do it.Disrupt the world’s financial system whilst getting a slap on his wrist. I felt sick when I’ve seen him entering the White House, invited to join several dignitaries at a White House diplomatic dinner…..Nothing will happen to these Zionists….The Bildeberg Foundation and IMF will see to it.
    Sorry for the vent. I am very tired and sick of this indecent world.Peace to all. I will turn now to my Operas and classical music. It’s an escape.

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  8. Just saw this and thought it was funny.

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    • EXFANOFARIANA says:

      Now you get my wrath and utter disgust to these fanatical BARBARIANS.

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      • Kalima says:

        No one questioned your anger at fanatics, ExFan, I questioned your use of words that appeared to condemn all Muslims.

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        • EXFANOFARIANA says:

          When EXACTLY did I post on Islam in general? You- perhaps -- have been taking me out of contest.You leave in Asia -- part of the planet I love so much WHICH, unfortunately, I cannot visit in peace any longer. The article about Indonesia says it all…I’ve barely escaped a bomb attack in Kuta myself..NOT FUN….I did mentioned before, I have several Muslim friends…..”NORMAL” ones.But basically I have confessed, prior to this comment, I intensely dislike organized religious.Nothing but a scam.I love this Pope -- yep,Catholic like you -- it doesn’t not however, prevent me from criticizing them as well. Yet history must not be missed here. Fanaticism -- Islamic -- has threatened us throughout the centuries. As much as the talibangelists in America do now.Killing of gay African citizens has been imposed by the PatfuckingRobertson’s of this country, who has enriched himself beyond belief with his diamond and gold mines.I have never seen a vid posted even by the Mossad, decapitating anyone.

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          • Kalima says:

            We had this conversation on AdLib’s Iraq post when you insisted on talking about Hamas and Israel even though the post was about the people trapped on the mountain. I asked you politely to be careful with your wording because it sounded as if you were talking against all Muslims and The Planet’s Terms of Use will not accept religious bigotry or anything resembling hate speech. It wasn’t so long ago, you can’t have forgotten the conversation already.

            Blogging has it’s problems because what we write can be misinterpreted by others, so I asked you to please be careful. Remember?

            Mossad is the Israeli Intelligence Agency, so why would they show videos of beheading people? ISIL, is a group of terrorists who have no respect for human lives.

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        • kesmarn says:

          Exactly. The problem isn’t Islam, but the people who abuse it.

          Just as the problem isn’t Judaism, but some people who make decisions in Israel about how to deal with Gaza.

          And the problem isn’t Christianity, but groups like the KKK and Westboro Baptist who fraudulently use the title to disseminate hatred.

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          • EXFANOFARIANA says:

            I still believe we are on our own path of total destruction….AGAIN….This planet needs to get rid for good of these monsters so we can continue to evolve. As long as religion exists…….Nothing will get better.Peace.

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            • Hey EX! I guess a lot of what you say depends upon the meaning of the word “better.”

              Mankind, through science and despite religion, has made great leaps forward in the betterment of our lives.

              I think we, as human beings live in two different realms. One being the physical or empirical realm, and the other, in a spiritual or metaphysical realm.

              There will always be people asking the big questions. Questions like, where did I come from, and what purpose might I serve. How do I conduct my life, in the grand scheme of all things?

              For millions and millions of people, religion helps people along in their search for meaning. That is not to say that religion has all the answers. Nobody does.

              We are all tiny little organisms, hurtling through space and time, in an inconceivably immense universe. It’s no wonder that people turn to readily explained doctrines and beliefs.

              The harm in religion comes from men and women who will use it as a tool to achieve their own ends. Religion is an all too ready instrument of control and manipulation, but it also serves as great comfort to those who are not swayed by the greedy and controlling men and women of this world.

              When we believe absolutely that religious texts have all the answers, then we as human beings
              become stagnant and fail to progress.

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            • kesmarn says:

              I’m less inclined to blame religion in general, ExFan, than people who misuse it. In its noblest forms, religion has healed people, educated children, fed and housed the homeless, defended the oppressed and comforted the lost and grieving.

              But that’s not the stuff of headlines…

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          • EXFANOFARIANA says:

            As the issue is not the bible but as bible thumpers “re-write and interpret it.They never follow the New Testament..only the old one -- which is a book of horror.An eye for an eye….written by yet another psycho who wanted to stop the Pagans and rival tribes…

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          • Hey Homie! I have said this many times here and other places, that religion doesn’t corrupt men, men corrupt religion.

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            • kesmarn says:

              I’m with you on that 100%, Homie!

              There’s a core of peace and love at the center of most of the world’s major religions, but it’s the people who refuse to adopt those values and decide that they’re the ones who get to decide who’s “saved,” “orthodox” or otherwise acceptable to the deity that cause the problems.

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            • monicaangela says:

              Truer words were never spoken. It appears men/women corrupt everything they can if it furthers their agenda.

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          • monicaangela says:

            Hear, hear….spot on Kes!!! Wonderful comment.

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            • kesmarn says:

              Many thanks, monica. It’s so easy to slip into “us” vs “them” mentalities, but the world is really all “us.”

              If we ever faced a big threat from outside — we’d figure that out in a hurry, no?

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    • kesmarn says:

      There are very few conflicts that would fit the definition of a “just war” for me, Kalima, but I’m pretty sure that battling this group is one of them. They’re horrifying.

      On PBS this evening, there was just a fairly long report on the fact that the tsunami-ravaged area of Indonesia has adopted Sharia Law recently. It was like a variation of some of the “approved” footage that has come out of North Korea. Stony-faced young people declaring how “grateful they are that their behavior is now being moderated and controlled for their own good.” Sure.

      This bizarre and brutal misinterpretation of Islam and the violent people who are forcing it on others need to be pushed back. Hard.

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  9. MurphTheSurf3 says:


    What’s your impression of this interchange?

    What’s your impression of the Fox interviewer?

    What’ your impression of the man on the street?

    What does this video tell you about what is going on in Ferguson?

    Summary: Published on Aug 18, 2014

    8-18-14 -- ( Fox News ) -- While reporting live from Ferguson, Mo., late Monday night as protests once again turned chaotic, Fox News correspondent Steve Harrigan found himself in an unusual situation: One protestor cursed him out on live television for having described the late-night round of clashes as “child’s play.” Shortly after police began using tear gas to clear crowds on the streets, Harrigan described to Shepard Smith what he saw as a late-night scene dominated mostly by members of the press: This is right now a media event, pure and simple. This is people running towards tear gas, running away from it. The dignified protestors went home at dusk. This is just child’s play right now.
    That last sentence did not sit well with one protestor nearby who immediately began shouting at Harrigan and the Fox crew.

    “Say that shit. I don’t give a damn you’re on TV, say that shit,” the unidentified man cursed at Harrigan. “We see this shit every day. This is just child’s play? Who is the child playing with toys? That’s them.”

    “I don’t want to argue with you,” Harrigan told the man.

    Fox went back to Smith in studio while Harrigan attempted to calm down the situation. The anchor gave some introspective thoughts on how an incompetent police force (“Keystone Cops,” he said) and the media have seemingly fanned the flames of discontent.

    Eventually Fox went back to Harrigan for a one-on-one discussion with another protestor from the earlier scene. “My source of anger is seeing my people — black or white, blue or brown — hurt. And that is why I ask those certain questions to them: Why are they standing there? Or they can go home.”

    Asked what he is personally ready to do to fix the situation, the man responded: “What I’m going to do is stand here with my people every night and all night. No pillow, no covers with my twin or my brothers.”

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  10. monicaangela says:

    Professor John A. Powell on Ferguson:


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  11. monicaangela says:

    Let’s try for a better understanding, at least on this site. I believe we are all sincere about our friendship and affection for the sentiments we express. Let’s learn:


    Ready for part 2? Here goes:


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  12. kesmarn says:

    LIVE FEED FROM FERGUSON, MO

    Things seem to be getting tense again.


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    • Nirek says:

      Kalima, I just saw a piece on the news showing where Michael Brown was shot six times. It looked to me like an automatic weapon was used on full auto. If it proves true then I think that is very dangerous, using automatic weapons in an area where other innocent people is putting others in harms way. The bullets go astray after the first round. They tend to go up and to the right. There is no need for an automatic weapon to be used. Accuracy is important when shooting, especially in a city with people everywhere.

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      • Nirek, no, the kid was shot with the officer’s service weapon, probably a Glock 9mm or Glock 10mm. They fire very fast.

        Either way, there was no justifiable reason to use any firearm against Michael Brown. He was unarmed.

        I think that cop was simply angry because Brown got away from him and he was frightened by the mere size of this kid. The cop may have even been in a full blown rage, hence the number of shots fired. Regardless, it was an unlawful shooting.

        I think that cops who go into minority communities always go in with a little fear stirring inside them. I think this is why they use such overkill tactics. They want the people to be more afraid of them than the cops are afraid of the people. I’m not trying to justify anything here, I’m just giving my opinion of why cops act the way they do in minority communities. They are afraid and use excessive force to compensate for their own fear. Men and women who aren’t brave enough to deal with people in these communities, should not be cops in the first place.

        If cops stopped acting like storm troopers in these neighborhoods, and began behaving as real policemen and women should behave, as protectors of the community against violent crime, and helpers to the law abiding citizens there-in, a lot of unnecessary violence and misery would be avoided.

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      • Kalima says:

        I can’t think of any excuse for shooting an unarmed man six times under any circumstances, Nirek.

        This WaPo article confirms it, and I can’t convey just how shocking this is to read. He wasn’t shot at close range so what was the imminent danger? The shooter could have aimed for a limb. I will never understand America and it’s lawlessness with gun possession and brute force used by your police.

        Being shot six times for jaywalking? What kind of madhouse is this?

        —-

        Autopsy: Michael Brown shot six times, twice in the head

        http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/08/18/autopsy-michael-brown-shot-six-times-twice-in-the-head/

        Peace.

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