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AdLib On February - 26 - 2010
Categories: Vox Populi

Written by AdLib

My motto is, "It is better to have blogged and lost hours of your day, than never to have blogged at all."

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  1. Chernynkaya says:

    Time for rest and TV-- Night all!

  2. PatsyT says:

    Something that is fantastic about the Planet
    right now
    is that you can truly say
    ! ~~~ Not funded by corporate interest~~~ !

    Like this group that is trying to put themselves out here as being independent
    I am suspicious

    CAIVP received its seed funding in 2006 in a grant by John Moores. It has since continued operations thanks to the contributions of individuals, business and labor organizations, and online advertising.

    http://caivn.org/

    John Moores was the owner of the San Diego Padres if that is the same
    now lives in Texas
    and there are news articles that have been removed from the net about John Moores

    • escribacat says:

      Patsy, John Moores has a pretty good reputation as a philanthropist and Democrat. He’s on the board of Habitat for Humanity. I used to work for one of his software companies.

      • PatsyT says:

        Say ecat I am glad you have some info
        I have been getting these slick mailers and
        the first thing I think of is who is paying for this?
        So if this is the same person that gives me a glimmer
        These days we have to keep eyes wide open
        they are getting clever

    • AdLib says:

      Just checked them out. My process is to look for the tidbit that makes me cringe. The article that speculated on Bill O’Reilly potentially being the Ross Perot or 2012, expressing that he would appeal to independent voters wanting change is so insane that I have to discount this site.

  3. AdLib says:

    One more thought on this concept of small non-profit Insurance companies created in the private sector, from Unions and/or credit unions or other meaningful and existing organizations.

    Considering how much money is being made in the insurance biz, even if it’s a non profit, wouldn’t that be a good industry to jump into at this point in time? Wouldn’t that be a good investment for a union to provide to its membership…and even help incentivize joining unions?

    • Chernynkaya says:

      Adlib-- this may be way off base, but what about insurance that was hospital specific-- like insurance for Cedars-Sinai or UCLA? Is that crazy or impractical?

      • AdLib says:

        Not at all, that’s what Kaiser is. So, it does work but I would think that there would need to be some kind of financial partnership or incentive to get something like that up and running with hospitals.

        What would be cool is to set up such things at hospitals and practices then once they’re up and running, network them together to create a broader coverage group.

        • Chernynkaya says:

          Strike the below-- the big idea here-- aside from starting a private non-profit ins co-- is that it is UNION BASED!! The poetry of that is inescapable.

          • AdLib says:

            The main thing is to be able to start with a big base. The unions have that and would profit themselves and their union, meaning their members, from it.

            Opening up to the public would affiliate more people with unions and give them greater strength.

            As long as they don’t grow corrupt again, unions could again grow to be the cleaver that cuts through corporations to bring more equity to the people.

            Hmm…this is an interesting idea…maybe the GROW concept dovetails with this concept.

            The stronger that unions could be in America, the more organized more Americans would be to fight for socially and in the business world what the political world can’t do for them.

            This is an interesting theory. We’ve discussed creating a group to work for change, what if a collaboration with unions was a path to creating that kind of solidarity among many people quicker?

            Are not our objections to corporate power in sync with union members?

            Interesting to consider how synergies might work in a number of areas…

            • Chernynkaya says:

              Very interesting indeed. I believe our mission dovetails perfectly. However, they do not perceive that they need to join with other activists as they are the biggest activist group and we are the gnats. And they see themselves as the cleverest, so it seems like it would be hard to convince them of the need to partner. Maybe.

              But what is certain: The4y need cheaper and better health insurance-- that is not taxed as cadillac BTW and here’s the best part-- one that is not negotiated!

            • AdLib says:

              That is why if one had an interested party to back such a venture, a co-venture could be pursued with unions, for them to become partners in their own health insurance entity.

              Think how crazy insurance companies would be if they lost all those union members and NEEDED to convince their current clients from jumping boat to join the union’s Public Option?

              Too cool!!!

        • Chernynkaya says:

          I thought of Kaiser after I wrote that. But Kaiser is also a provider. I was thinking smaller-- but in a way like an HMO--that you could purchase insurance for use only with cedars doctors and hospital. (Or whatever the local big hospital is in every city.)The hosp and docs are not contracted by the insurer but the insurance is only good for a certain hosp. Like a gift certificate is only good at a certain store. That is sounding crazier the more i write.

          • AdLib says:

            Yes, I like that idea. But what if you were traveling in another state and had an accident or became ill? That’s why I like the idea of networking, like the way cell phone coverage works.

            If you go to another state or country, you still have coverage paid for by your company under the agreed upon terms. They have in the meantime worked out compensation with other companies.

            So I do think the Kaiser model is a better way to start, to be a hospital and provider so networking will cover you at all times.

      • Blues Tiger says:

        That kinda what I meant by Health Care Co-Op

    • Chernynkaya says:

      But I hope you don’;t stop at unions. What about other affinity groups-- like waiters/food workers. The Self-employed-- millions of those folks and they have no coverage.

      • AdLib says:

        The thing about organizations is that they can efficiently communicate with their members and if needed, have votes.

        Groups of independent people with affinities would be tougher. I would look at them as more of the 2nd Phase, once your base is in place, self-employed, waiters, etc.will have heard of your group or you could send out sales reps to bring in those with affiliations.

    • Chernynkaya says:

      Adlib, non- profit doesn’t mean no profit-- it could make billions.

      • AdLib says:

        Exactly! I mean, it’s not like going into the real estate business.

        Everyone needs health insurance and if you can provide me with it at a lower price with better coverage, I’ve got no loyalty to the corp I’m paying through the nose to now.

    • Blues Tiger says:

      Non profit doesn’t = No Profit so the right idea and plan is worth backing…

      • AdLib says:

        Now may be a great time for a venture like this, so few areas in the economy that people are confident in. Who wouldn’t see the insurance business as profitable today?

  4. AdLib says:

    That was another cool Vox Populi! Thanks all for making it so cool!

  5. Blues Tiger says:

    AdLib this is the Bloom Box link I posted- 60 minutes

    http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=6228923n

    • AdLib says:

      I found this on their website, if this is true and realistic, it could solve the hydrogen car fueling problem too!

      Hydrogen Production: Bloom’s technology, with its NASA roots, can be used to generate electricity and hydrogen. Coupled with intermittent renewable resources like solar or wind, Bloom

    • AdLib says:

      Thanks BT, I saw the comment here by Patsy but will really check it out, very cool stuff.

  6. Chernynkaya says:

    AdLib-- that was a real big idea. Don;t forget it. Are you going to flesh it out and pursue it? It is worth it!

    • AdLib says:

      I am going to roll it around and when it’s thought out a bit more, try and consider who might be the type of philanthropist or organization to run with this.


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