Displaying 3,181 To 3,210 Of 3,698 Comments Senate debates Health Care Bill I think he means the conferenced bill. » Posted By nellie On November 21, 2009 @ 12:02 pm We’d never get anything done if that were still the rule. » Posted By nellie On November 21, 2009 @ 12:01 pm Ad Lib, are you sure there’s another filibuster opportunity on the senate bill.? I’ve been reading senate process this morning, and I didn’t see that. I’m reading from this page: » Posted By nellie On November 21, 2009 @ 11:57 am escribacat — here is the process as I understand it. A bill in the senate is debated. Senators can talk for as long as they like. The only way to end the debate and get the bill to the floor for a vote is by Cloture. That’s what we’re doing today. Debate and cloture vote. A cloture vote requires 3/5 of the senate — usually 60 votes. Once the bill gets the floor, it can be amended. Time limits can be imposed on amendment proposals via unanimous consent. So maybe there will be time limits (probably) or maybe not. Unanimous consent can also require that amendments be relevant to the bill. This is done by the leadership, so let’s hope Reid goes for that. When the bill is passed, it goes to conference to be merged with the House bill. A new, final bill, emerges from that process, and this bill must go back to both the House and Senate for final passage. And that starts the debate process all over again. So there will be another chance for a filibuster in the senate when the final bill is introduced. And this is the bill that Lieberman is threatening to block. » Posted By nellie On November 21, 2009 @ 11:55 am Today is the cloture vote. I don’t know what Hume is talking about, but today is the vote to end debate on the Senate bill…. Join me at the top of this thread for more room 🙂 » Posted By nellie On November 21, 2009 @ 11:50 am A little like the St Louis Gateway Arch…. But I love Levin. » Posted By nellie On November 21, 2009 @ 11:45 am If she’s seriously waiting for the public option to be dropped from the bill, she’s going to have a long wait. So she probably is getting a little sump’n sump’n for her vote. » Posted By nellie On November 21, 2009 @ 11:43 am I think Lieberman is voting for cloture on the senate bill. It’s the final conferenced bill that he’s threatening to filibuster. » Posted By nellie On November 21, 2009 @ 11:41 am Interesting. Lincoln votes for cloture but won’t vote for the bill. That’s very fair. » Posted By nellie On November 21, 2009 @ 11:34 am Thank heaven. Orin has destroyed at least 50 of my brain cells. » Posted By nellie On November 21, 2009 @ 11:23 am Watching the House really ruined mine. And I swore that was the last time. But here I am, w c-span broadcasting all over the house again…. » Posted By nellie On November 21, 2009 @ 11:20 am The senate is a total throwback to the monarchy. Why should a tiny eensy weensy state — apologies for all those here from small states — be able to have as much weight in a decision as a behemoth like my sweet home of California? It’s that authoritarian mindset. The elite few know better than the madcap masses. And even worse — it boils down to 41 PEOPLE being able to block something that 70% of the American people support. It’s nonsense. » Posted By nellie On November 21, 2009 @ 11:17 am Time limit on amendments, I think that’s right. But I’ll check just to make sure. And you’re right about ending the debate. Cloture is essentially the vote to end the debate. That’s what’s going on today. And thank goodness, because this debate needs to END. » Posted By nellie On November 21, 2009 @ 11:12 am omg I went out to the grocery store and when I left, I heard a phrase about the American people not wanting their taxpayer dollars going toward elective abortions. I’ve been gone an hour. When I walked back into the house, Orin Hatch was saying THE EXACT SAME PHRASE WORD FOR WORD. I don’t know whether to laugh or cry. » Posted By nellie On November 21, 2009 @ 11:08 am Conservatives will no doubt find a way to include an abortion rider on the Climate Bill. » Posted By nellie On November 21, 2009 @ 10:30 am who were they talking about? 🙂 never mind — I know just how you feel! But I’m thinking we’ll get cloture. » Posted By nellie On November 21, 2009 @ 10:27 am Today is ONLY the cloture vote. We need 60 votes to get the bill to the floor. All this talking is an effort to get people to jump on the filibuster bandwagon. I believe amendments are not added until the bill gets to the floor. So if they’re so concerned about abortion, they can add an amendment AFTER the bill gets to the floor. Can anyone confirm that? When the bill gets to the floor, we only need 51 votes. » Posted By nellie On November 21, 2009 @ 10:25 am Here’s my take — well I have two takes. First — I am perfectly willing to subsidize someone’s abortion if they need it. And I’m sure there are plenty of other people who feel the same. So those who are so worried about their tax dollars going to abortion, I’m saying — your dollars aren’t going there. MINE are going there. And I’m NOT paying for something that you want to pay for — like war. And that leads me to my second take. Everyone’s tax dollars end up supporting things that they don’t agree with. My tax dollars went to Haliburton, for crying out loud. This is such a false narrative. » Posted By nellie On November 21, 2009 @ 10:15 am Beliefs differ for different people, and there’s strength in numbers. Hence politics. That’s my take, at any rate. » Posted By nellie On November 21, 2009 @ 11:15 am There’s a thread up now just for discussing the debate, if you’re feeling so inclined. 🙂 » Posted By nellie On November 21, 2009 @ 10:16 am Woo hoo. I’ve been resisting turning this thing on after spending an entire Saturday watching the House, but I guess I’m going to give in now. » Posted By nellie On November 21, 2009 @ 10:02 am Had the Native American’s Been Republicans… No offense taken. People are always more casual when talking about their own “peeps.” Mom used to use the phrase Injun Joe as a joke. But god forbid anyone else could say it! Except maybe me… » Posted By nellie On November 21, 2009 @ 9:48 am We are the people who were hosting Pocahontas and her dad, Chief Powatan, when John Smith arrived. My cousin recently participated in the 500 anniversary celebration in VA. We’re located on the Chickahominy River in Virginia. And yes, our name does have something to do with Hominy. It translates to the Stone Ground Corn Eating People! But the eastern woodlands stretch all the way from Canada to Florida — imagine such a great forest before the land was so intensely developed. And the tribes that lived along that area shared many of the same traditions, philosophies. Because they dealt with each other. And whether the English landed in Massachusetts or Virginia, they were met with people who were willing to help them. Except for that Jamestown thing… » Posted By nellie On November 21, 2009 @ 9:47 am My family is Chickahominy. I am painfully aware of the diversity of the native population here. Our own language is all but extinct, although I’m told it is very similar to Lenape — one of the fortunate few enjoying a language renaissance right now. I’m speaking in a general terms because I guess in relation to the landing of the Europeans, I tend to refer to the eastern woodland indians — as my mother called her relatives — who were connected in many ways. These are not isolated groups. We have many conferderations, such as the Iroquois, we have many conquering and unifying concerns, such as the Powatan — who incorporated the Chickahominy, for example. So yes, there are distinctions, but also there are unifying principles. » Posted By nellie On November 21, 2009 @ 9:14 am American Indians have a term that translates as “cannibals” for people who eat up everything around them, including other people’s lives. That is what they called the people from Europe. There’s a lot written about why American Indians didn’t fight back the way they could have. And there’s also some interesting history about the native people in Brazil, who took an entirely different approach to the Portuguese who landed there — which was to kill them all off — until the Portuguese decided that they had to intermarry with the population in order to earn the right to stay. » Posted By nellie On November 21, 2009 @ 8:43 am Damn Those Unions—Damn That ACORN LOL — I thought we all may as well be yelling at the senate on the same thread! » Posted By nellie On November 21, 2009 @ 10:21 am My dogs are barking to be fed, so I’m going to sign off with this one. One of my all time favorites:
» Posted By nellie On November 20, 2009 @ 8:00 pm Okay, so I’m reaching back to the heyday of MTV, but did we ever have sirens in those days!
» Posted By nellie On November 20, 2009 @ 7:56 pm This song seems fitting, given the theme
» Posted By nellie On November 20, 2009 @ 7:51 pm Wow, that is some voice. Not quite human is right! » Posted By nellie On November 20, 2009 @ 7:49 pmComments Posted By nellie
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