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Paul Krugman on HCR –

As it happens, Reuters published an investigative report this week that powerfully illustrates the vileness of our current system. The report concerns the insurer Fortis, now part of Assurant Health, which turns out to have had a systematic policy of revoking its clients

» Posted By javaz On March 19, 2010 @ 12:32 pm

Nellie, do you think the Dems have it wrong in thinking if they vote yes on HCR they stand to lose their seats?

Do you think the opposite could hold true, that if the Dems vote no on HCR, then they may assuredly lose their seats?

Progressives, liberals, and Democrats, not all naturally, but Democrat voters seem revved by the HCR vote this Sunday.
We’ve been getting petition after petition in our email from several organizations, including AARP, and we sign every single one and send it in for Congress.

Do you think that if the Dems lose out on this voting for this historic reform that Dem voters may just throw up their hands and stay home come November?

» Posted By javaz On March 19, 2010 @ 12:29 pm

Stupid question –

If they pass this thing on Sunday, does that mean HCR is a done deal?

Is this it?

» Posted By javaz On March 18, 2010 @ 5:02 pm

Wow, e’cat, that site is very cool.

» Posted By javaz On March 18, 2010 @ 1:03 pm

Just got this email from MoveOn –

Dear MoveOn member,

Imagine picking up the newspaper next week and seeing this headline:

“Short One Vote, Obama Health Care Effort Fails”

It’s a nightmare

» Posted By javaz On March 18, 2010 @ 10:26 am

Thanks for putting this up, Nellie!

Oh, I hope we can have a party Sunday to celebrate HCR!

😆

» Posted By javaz On March 18, 2010 @ 10:23 am

Republicans “Deem and Pass” the Hypocrisy on Healthcare Reform Bill

This is an excellent diary from dailykos –

Here’s one of my favorite parts –

“What better way to seize control over your life than seizing control over the decision as to whether you or your loved ones receive life-saving medical treatment or not?

Do you think your political affiliation might eventually play into the decision on whether you get the life-saving medical treatment you need?

Do you think radicals like Van Jones and other far-Left activists will burrow their way into the federal health care bureaucracy, rewarding their friends, while people like you end up in the back of the line?

That’s what usually always happens when politicians are in charge of anything.

They use their power to reward their friends and punish their foes. Why should health care be any different?

Most of the problems with America’s health care system are caused by government.”

Holy crap! They’re going to withhold medical treatment from Republicans! And from white people! White Republicans will be PUNISHED for being white and Republican!!! And now the ugly truth comes out: the problems with our health care system have nothing to do with the fact that insurance is dispensed by giant, for-profit corporations who benefit from denying care to the people who need it most. It’s because of GOVERNMENT!!!

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/3/18/847386/-The-last-acts-of-a-desperate-partyFREAK-OUT-TIME!!!

» Posted By javaz On March 18, 2010 @ 9:58 am

Good morning, Nellie.

I hope you are correct but jeepers, the GOP sure have folks wound up with the help of Fox and the likes of Beck, Hannity, O’Reilly et all.

Have spent most of the morning reading mediamatters and the pundits are in a-frenzy, basically calling Obama a Marxist tyrant, and Beck even went as far as to explain that Obama was born a Marxist.

Limbaugh accused Obama yesterday of fighting with Israel to appease the Muslims because Obama is a Muslim.

How do we stop the lies in the media?

Fox and their pundits are a danger to our president and our country and yet they are stronger than ever in spouting their deceptions and hate.

http://mediamatters.org/

» Posted By javaz On March 18, 2010 @ 9:17 am

Virginia is threatening to sue the government if HCR is passed and they are not alone –

But Virginia isn’t the only Republican state that is considering lawsuits to combat Democrats’ strategies that

» Posted By javaz On March 18, 2010 @ 8:10 am

I think so, too, b’ito, because I think it’s all political theater.

They’ve got to report on something, besides Tiger Woods and American Idol.

» Posted By javaz On March 17, 2010 @ 5:30 pm

What’s so discouraging where we live is that we live in a Red state and even though our district as it stands is blue, it’s an ‘iffy’ thing.
All of our reps are Republicans, yet somehow we’re considered a Democratic district, and I really do not understand that.

I think b’ito lives in a bluer area down in Tucson, but even that area is ‘iffy.’

» Posted By javaz On March 17, 2010 @ 5:10 pm

No, Cher!

If you hold your breath that long, you’ll turn blue!

And today is the day to GO GREEN!

:mrgreen:

» Posted By javaz On March 17, 2010 @ 5:04 pm

I’ve read so many articles from so many sites, and we do need to regulate insurance companies, but even if we don’t, the matter will take care of itself.

It’ll take longer to take care of itself, sadly, but it will happen.

The insurance for profit days are numbered, and I truly believe that.

I also believe that within 10 years that we will have single payer.

» Posted By javaz On March 17, 2010 @ 4:55 pm

No, you’re not the only one, nellie!

I am not satisfied with this bill, but I am hoping and praying that it does pass, and I’m with you in believing that it will.

This is a historical moment for our country and I’m glad to be here to witness it.

YES WE CAN and YES WE WILL finally.

addendum : I am so burned out on politics and the fighting and the we vs them attitude from the politicians, MSM and even people I know.

I stopped watching the news except for the weather report, and when I am cruising the Net, I read the articles, but absolutely refuse to read any comments.

I’m tired of it all.

But that doesn’t stop me from hoping and thinking positively, and it certainly does not change my mind about voting Democrat, until something better comes along.

» Posted By javaz On March 17, 2010 @ 4:47 pm

Kirkpatrick up in Flagstaff said she will vote yes.

http://www.azdailysun.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/beb6b8ca-3203-11df-8d5a-001cc4c002e0.html

» Posted By javaz On March 17, 2010 @ 4:09 pm

Blues Tiger, have you seen this about premiums rising under the HCR bill?

What do you think?
Is it true?
It is an article from the AP, so it’s hard to say what to believe.

Last month, President Barack Obama bemoaned double-digit increases in healthcare premiums — most notably a 39% year-over-year hike by the Blue Cross insurance leviathan Wellpoint in California. Wellpoint is raising premiums by double digits for many customers in 11 states.

But according to an analysis by the Associated Press, health insurance premiums will rise under the Democrats’ own health care plan championed by President Obama.

Premiums are likely to keep going up even if the health care bill passes, experts say. If cost controls work as advertised, annual increases would level off with time. But don’t look for a rollback. Instead, the main reason premiums would be more affordable is that new government tax credits would help cover the cost for millions of people.

http://rawstory.com/2010/03/ap-premiums-rise-democrats-health-plan/

» Posted By javaz On March 17, 2010 @ 11:21 am

Is it true that HCR will not start for 4 years?

If that is true, and if by some nightmare the Republicans take back control of both houses and the White House, couldn’t they repeal HCR as they are threatening to do?

Americans could stand to lose HCR before it even begins, if the GOP regains full control.

That’s a scary thought, isn’t it?

» Posted By javaz On March 17, 2010 @ 11:16 am

Happy St. Patrick’s Day, b’ito, and everyone!

Have you seen the batchit crazy Bachman accusing the media of treason?

On Sean Hannity

» Posted By javaz On March 17, 2010 @ 10:47 am

Good one, b’ito!

» Posted By javaz On March 17, 2010 @ 10:36 am

But the fact that everyone still expects a vote by the weekend is almost surely a sign that the support Democrats need will be there in the end. “If a bill can’t pass, the White House usually won’t get behind it,” Rep. Bobby Scott, D-Va., told Salon Tuesday. “This is important not for what it does to the White House — I mean, everybody’s talking about the politics of this. We got 30 million people whose insurance is riding on this.”

The game going on now will let a handful of conservative Democrats look tough for being willing to stand up to Obama, and some of them — if leadership winds up having a few spare votes to play with — will actually get to oppose the bill. (The ones who wind up supporting it will probably wish they got on board long ago; there’s little political benefit in waffling for so long before taking an unpopular vote.) But House leaders don’t really seem to doubt they’ll prevail in the end.

“We’ll be ready when it is time to go to the floor,” House Speaker Nancy Pelosi told reporters Tuesday afternoon. “We will do what is necessary to pass a healthcare bill to improve quality, lower cost, and make America healthier.”

Pelosi could still wind up being wrong. But don’t bet on it.

http://www.salon.com/news/healthcare_reform/index.html?story=/news/feature/2010/03/17/democrats_healthcare

» Posted By javaz On March 17, 2010 @ 7:31 am

Just read on dailykos that Kucinich is voting yes on the HCR bill.

» Posted By javaz On March 16, 2010 @ 6:11 pm

B’ito, I don’t the answer and have tried googling it, but the only report I could find was from 2006.

Ran across this site in the search and wonder if you’ve ever heard of it?

http://www.espressopundit.com/2010/03/lets-tax-the-poor-to-provide-services-for-the-middle-class.html

Warning : The author of the site thinks poor people need to pay for services by paying higher taxes.

Here’s an interesting site about health facts for different states :

http://www.statehealthfacts.org/

» Posted By javaz On March 16, 2010 @ 4:13 pm

I Think, Therefore I’m Nuts!

If you’ve ever been to the Louvre or the Vatican for that matter, there are very old weather-beaten statues, and there are tails – cut off tails – on the statues.

Have you ever seen them?

We have pics of Parc de St. Cloud in France, and there’s a gorgeous, huge fountain there lined by statues, and every single one has the cut-off tail.

» Posted By javaz On March 17, 2010 @ 5:38 pm

I love the artwork again, WTS, but as I’ve read this post and then all the comments, it shows how far out of my league I am compared to all the deep-thinkers on PPOV.

Is this what a person could refer to as existentialism?

Is it true that humans once had tails or some are still born with tails that are taken care of at birth?

I ask, because while in France, there was a park not far from us with statues and then statues in the Louvre, old statues, that show the human form – mainly men – and at the backs are these fuzzy, sort of furry things carved at the base of the spine that look like tails that were cut off.

I’ve been to the Rodin Museum in Paris and sat in front of the Thinker and did the pose like everyone else, but then at that museum are the Gates of Hell – two elaborately carved doors – and of course, I had to pose while knocking on the gates of hell!

It’s like going to the leaning tower in Pisa, and angling for the shot that makes you look like you’re holding it up.

Silly Americans were we!
(but we weren’t alone!)

» Posted By javaz On March 17, 2010 @ 4:31 pm

Pussy Fear and Penis Envy

Is Maher a ‘lefty’?

He doesn’t sound like a progressive or liberal or even a Democrat.

Ignoring him seems like a good idea.

» Posted By javaz On March 18, 2010 @ 11:57 am

Hi Blues Tiger!

Maybe Maher doesn’t have that big of an audience?

I read several blogs and news sites and I can’t recall ever reading much about Maher, except for the days I read HP.

Seems the left and right ignore him!

He should be vilified for that remark. I agree with you on that one.
I’d stop watching him but we’ve never watched him to begin with!

And from reading Marion’s posts about Maher, I wouldn’t watch him even if we could.

» Posted By javaz On March 18, 2010 @ 11:34 am

Coalition of Church and State – Part 3 The Players and Organizations

Another great installment, Sue.

As everyone is witnessing now, after the passage of HCR, it’s clear that the Religious Right are not Christian.

Threatening people and their families is certainly not pro-life but like the murderers of abortion doctors, the Religious Right feels justified that they are doing the work of God, and it’s impossible to argue with people who believe God is on their side.

» Posted By javaz On March 24, 2010 @ 5:35 pm

The Real Battle for Financial Regulatory Reform Begins

Senator Ted Kaufman addresses Wall Street bail-out and corruption –

Mr. President, the SEC and Justice Department should pursue a thorough investigation, both civil and criminal, to identify every last person who had knowledge that Lehman was misleading the public about its troubled balance sheet

» Posted By javaz On March 16, 2010 @ 8:59 am

God’s Blog – 3-16-2010

We’re united again for the HCR vote this Sunday!!!

Hey, if you’re having wine, well then, I am opening a beer!

Hee-hee – if Ad Lib leaves, am putting a tack on his chair!

» Posted By javaz On March 19, 2010 @ 6:53 pm

Vox Populi is different now, and since California is now on Arizona time, I am going to make it!

Well, as long as my dial-up allows.

We don’t do the debate thing anymore but discuss things in a free-for-all style and if AdLib runs it and then leaves, well, all hell breaks loose and the spitballs start flying and the boys tug on our pigtails!

LMAO

Am doing good, thank you for asking, and how are you?

And those of us here are still giving it our all!

Although, I do seem to be a troublemaker at times but they still keep me!!!

LMAO

» Posted By javaz On March 19, 2010 @ 6:43 pm

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