Displaying 151 To 180 Of 7,446 Comments Coalition Of Church And State: Destroyed From Within. Monica » Posted By SueInCa On July 12, 2014 @ 5:56 pm Monica Thanks for your “diatribe” 🙂 I agree with you, however, how do we bring people to the table that just do not want to come and sit? How do we force them to sit down and discuss our shared interests? Also what we think are shared interests are not always the same as well. I think the Presidency of Barack Obama is a clear example of the contraction from the right. President Obama, despite knowing their disdain for him, has tried many times to bring together the left and the right. to no avail. How do you make a social contract with people who refuse to admit you have ideas and resolutions? To be quite honest, I did not become fully aware of the deep divide until around 2004. When I did, I honestly tried to open dialogue with many on the right and most times it was their way or the highway. The people who were open to dialogue, I have continued to work with but despite outreach to many other groups, the divide has only gotten wider. And admitting this country has done many wrongs just does not appear to be a pastime for many on both sides. I was registered Peace and Freedom party for many years. I did so because in the state of California other parties will allow cross party voting, except for the Republican party. How do you come to common ground with a party that, even at that level, they refuse to allow other opinions even if it will generate votes for their party? Until this country truly accepts that it is ok to be intellectual, thirsty for knowledge and willing to search for answers, I think we will be mired in this conundrum. The article you posted from Chris Hedges explains all of this better than I ever could but he pretty much has come to the same conclusion, Americans have allowed themselves to be dumbed down because it is easier. There is no stress in ignoring the news of the world. There is no stress in looking at an object to be able to ring up a burger on a cash register, we do not have to learn joined writing because so much is done with the computer keyboard. Something as simple as cursive writing will fall by the wayside because we chose expediency over depth of knowledge. I am totally there with you on bringing people together but I am also realistic that you are going to lose many because their sense of instant gratification will not be fulfilled if they have to compromise with others. » Posted By SueInCa On July 12, 2014 @ 9:19 am Oh make no mistake, Monica, most educated Americans know the whole story of America and it is not the pretty face put to other nations. When you have the religious right meddling in public education, books like The People’s History are left by the wayside. They don’t need no damned truth. » Posted By SueInCa On July 12, 2014 @ 8:42 am Thanks Kalima, love learning from song. Also just love the background on that song. The words too, but that beat makes me want to move. 🙂 » Posted By SueInCa On July 12, 2014 @ 7:21 am Oh my Kalima, I have been here since 2009 and did not know there were boxes under the posts to share on twitter and fb. I was always copying and pasting the links with a short blurb to introduce what the post was about » Posted By SueInCa On July 12, 2014 @ 6:26 am Thanks Kalima, I can rest easy now. Have a good day. » Posted By SueInCa On July 11, 2014 @ 6:46 pm Yes, thank you Kalima. Hope you are staying dry. If you have internet, the storm must have passed by now. That last typhoon in the Phillipines was a monster and so devastating. I hope you are high and dry. » Posted By SueInCa On July 11, 2014 @ 6:25 pm I know that and you know that, Nirek, but the huge percentage of illiterate Americans who thrive on pictures instead of the written word are not as knowledgeable as we are. Their minds simply are not geared to take on that much information which is why they will usually try to make the person who is bringing that unpleasant news to them feel like they are the problem. “lighten up” “don’t take it so seriously”, “chill out”, all phrases to entice the person who is speaking to stfu, you know? » Posted By SueInCa On July 11, 2014 @ 6:22 pm Kalima » Posted By SueInCa On July 11, 2014 @ 6:15 pm SLM I read a fictional book about an American(originally a French citizen) who was caught in the 3rd Reich’s sweeps of Poland. In the book he was ok but the author told the story of a Jewish Scholar who was documenting all that was happening from the early days of the Nazis through the end of the war. He was documenting everything down to births, deaths, any activity of interest. I am trying to remember the details but it was to be left in a secret underground vault for anyone who survived the war to go back and claim. I wonder if the author was telling a loose interpretation of Ringlebaum’s life? » Posted By SueInCa On July 11, 2014 @ 5:45 pm Kalima Thanks for the input. I actually thought the opening was appropriate for the way I wanted to tell the story. I would not mind changing the title because in retrospect, it is the same title as the book’s author used. That might be considered some type of infringment. Perhaps we should go ahead and change it. Perhaps Adlib can help out here, he is much better than me at picking titles. Or maybe: How about that? It keeps with the theme of my series and would come up in a similar web search. I would put America but I can see people going ballistic if I added it to the title…… » Posted By SueInCa On July 11, 2014 @ 5:37 pm Monica Thanks for that post, I read the whole thing and it actually answered some questions I was having and solidified some thoughts I have as to the literacy of this country. We see it all the time, words misspelled, incorrect use of terms like their, there, your you’re and if you gently remind the person, you are then the grammar police. Well um no, if the grammar police were really a true entity, you would not be spelling incorrectly or using incorrect grammar lol. The numbers of illiterate people is staggering. The post did remind me of why people that are really trying to have serious conversations are rebuffed, or told to lighten up and Chris hit the nail on it’s head: “The most essential skill in political theater and the consumer culture is artifice. Those who are best at artifice succeed. Those who have not mastered the art of artifice fail. In an age of images and entertainment, in an age of instant emotional gratification, we do not seek or want honesty. We ask to be indulged and entertained by clichés, stereotypes and mythic narratives that tell us we can be whomever we want to be, that we live in the greatest country on Earth, that we are endowed with superior moral and physical qualities and that our glorious future is preordained, either because of our attributes as Americans or because we are blessed by God or both.” We really do have so many people who believe this myth. They are set in America so no need to venture in to unknown or difficult areas of study or conversation. It is really a shame and I do not think there is much hope of turning it around until we have had that downfall and come back. » Posted By SueInCa On July 11, 2014 @ 5:22 pm Here is the answer to my lamenting below about Americans not being curious about what is going on right under their noses: “The most essential skill in political theater and the consumer culture is artifice. Those who are best at artifice succeed. Those who have not mastered the art of artifice fail. In an age of images and entertainment, in an age of instant emotional gratification, we do not seek or want honesty. We ask to be indulged and entertained by clichés, stereotypes and mythic narratives that tell us we can be whomever we want to be, that we live in the greatest country on Earth, that we are endowed with superior moral and physical qualities and that our glorious future is preordained, either because of our attributes as Americans or because we are blessed by God or both.” » Posted By SueInCa On July 11, 2014 @ 5:15 pm I was just reading the piece by Chris Hedges and he had a message for me in it. I have puzzled over the lack of real interest in what is going on in this country and think to myself all the time, when “It” happens, what are the majority of Americans going to think, do or say. Hedges has a partial answer – they will go back to their forms of entertainment, well those the new leaders will allow them to keep. “The most essential skill in political theater and the consumer culture is artifice. Those who are best at artifice succeed. Those who have not mastered the art of artifice fail. In an age of images and entertainment, in an age of instant emotional gratification, we do not seek or want honesty. We ask to be indulged and entertained by clichés, stereotypes and mythic narratives that tell us we can be whomever we want to be, that we live in the greatest country on Earth, that we are endowed with superior moral and physical qualities and that our glorious future is preordained, either because of our attributes as Americans or because we are blessed by God or both.” This is a big part of our problem. » Posted By SueInCa On July 11, 2014 @ 5:14 pm Sally it is my firm belief that they were trying under Bush but I think that he was just not the right person to push their agenda. For one thing, he used to make really stupid statements about God and the end times and he would make those statements to leaders of other countries. Second, he was not really their type of Christian if he is one at all. But remember all that talk about Iraq and the “Crusades”, it being “God’s war” etc. The only reason I can think of that they decided on Iraq as their biblical symbol is that it is considered the cradle of civilization. I am not that well versed in biblical times to know the detail of that area. One thing I do know is that Tony Blair is a radical christian like they are. He has built up an army of his own Joshua Brigade kids in Britain and some parts of Europe. He was also supposed to be some kind of envoy to Israel when the time comes for peace to be negotiated. It has been awhile since I read all of that but could prob find it again if you want to read it. » Posted By SueInCa On July 11, 2014 @ 4:55 pm No problem Monica, I am patient. 🙂 » Posted By SueInCa On July 11, 2014 @ 4:47 pm Thanks Kes and your comments here target some of my fears. Some of these militias are just that but when you have a Militia group that goes in using God as their shield, you have a fanatic that thinks they are being guided by God himself. And if God said to kill, that is what they will do. I think people in the US really believe that no such thing as a coup could take place but with all the knowledge we have of these people and their incursions into local, state, federal politics plus their insidioue meddling in our Military, it gives me cause for concern. I have seen how these supposed Christians have attacked, viciously, people who work with Mikey Weinstein. They try to discredit him all the time as do some progressives as well. It makes me want to scream, especially the progressives. It is so hard to get people to understand the danger here and I am at a loss of just how it can be accomplished on a grand scale. There are many out there waling the walk but there is no one place where all of the information is housed. I know I don’t have the money to build such a site but I can tell you, I would be more than willing to help out in such an endeavor. » Posted By SueInCa On July 11, 2014 @ 4:46 pm Not at all SLM. I knew how you meant it, it was a general question to everyone. I was only telling you that, yes, I have done a great deal of research on the Holocaust as a basis for why I am so unnerved by the religious right’s actions. No offense was taken at all. None. » Posted By SueInCa On July 11, 2014 @ 4:32 pm Murph I guess it is ok, not sure Daily Kos readers will be too interested but if you think they will, we can repost it there. When you say new opening paragraph, what do you have in mind? » Posted By SueInCa On July 11, 2014 @ 4:25 pm SLM No you do not have to remind me again, my other area of interest is The Holocaust and Nazi Germany and I have read a ton on it. I have a book right now that I need to get through, Auschwitz: A History by Sybille Steinbacher. I think that because I have been so steeped in Holocaust readings and the hell that was Nazi Germany I am so alarmed with the Christian right here. I see so many parallels in their rhetoric and their actions. All I can do is keep writing and hope that someday more people will understand. » Posted By SueInCa On July 11, 2014 @ 4:07 pm Another Money Making Conspiracy Con by a Right Wing Huckster Oh heck no, now that I know where it came from, it would be totally inappropriate for me to use it when I am talking about his kind. Not to mention I would not give him the satisfaction of using it but it would have been ironic. » Posted By SueInCa On July 10, 2014 @ 6:42 pm Oh my word, Murph When I was looking for a meme for my post, I almost picked the one you chose above because it looked like America being destroyed. Only I was choosing it for an entirely different reason than Dinish chose it. In fact it was being chosen because of freaks of his kind destroying the country. » Posted By SueInCa On July 10, 2014 @ 5:20 pm My dear friend, Watson You put a simple V behind the https: httpsv: and your vid will show up. I just watched the one below again. I remember sitting with Tony watching this speech and hoping that we would win again and by 8 o’clock the next night I could write one single post on FB Obama Wins That is all I wrote and it felt good. » Posted By SueInCa On July 10, 2014 @ 5:16 pm He told the story again in Iowa, the night before the 2012 election. » Posted By SueInCa On July 10, 2014 @ 5:05 pm Yeah, we do, Murph. I wish more people would “show em up to blow em up”. I hope it is well received. I have not written anything in forever. I kind of got writer’s block for a bit but I read a bit of another “exposure” book I am reading and came back and finished it in record time for me. » Posted By SueInCa On July 10, 2014 @ 5:03 pm Thanks Watson, I hope the way it is presented it gets people fired up. That is what Murph is doing with this post and I commend him for it. » Posted By SueInCa On July 10, 2014 @ 4:06 pm While I was watching it, I kept thinking, damn this guy is so full of himself he does not even realize he is being made to look like a fool. Truly one out of touch person. » Posted By SueInCa On July 10, 2014 @ 3:59 pm I saw this interview KT and he took him to task. » Posted By SueInCa On July 10, 2014 @ 3:49 pm Murph Crap like he churns out cannot stay in the shadows. God knows we have Americans who are not savvy on theworld of the crazed tea birchers, it is important that we shine a light in to their crazy world. The more that is written, the better in my humble opinion. I would never have watched this anyway but I think it important that a true interpretation of it be published. Thank you Murph. I have a post coming out soon that will compliment this one. 🙂 » Posted By SueInCa On July 10, 2014 @ 3:47 pm Could Hillary Clinton Become the Next Republican President? Mo Man I agree about the knife thing too. No offense to Cyndibru but I am always going to challenge comments that seem to be made based on personal opinion. » Posted By SueInCa On July 11, 2014 @ 9:47 pmComments Posted By SueInCa
I agree with all of that but have you ever really gotten in the trenches with the religious right? I think we are talking about two different kinds of people. I have definitely been around and worked with people who only need a little nudge to want to learn and “each one teach one” has been my motto for a long time. I am talking about people so entrenched in their religion that the only way you can get them to understand you is to join their religion. These people are not looking to learn from “liberals” or as they call us behind closed doors, “secular” which is a much dirtier word in their speak. To them that means not concerned with religion(theirs) or worldly. They have no use for us unless we want to come to their way of thinking. I would certainly applaud anyone who could get them to come to the table and agree to disagree at the very least.
I went back and it won’t let me edit now that is has been published. If you can edit it when you have the time, that would be great.
Coalition of Church and State: Destroyed from Within.
Kind of a weird karma, huh?
We need more of this kind of exposure everywhere. I commend you for covering a distasteful person and actually sitting through any more than 5 minutes of his trash. This stuff is not pretty, it is not right and it is mostly not true – PRECISELY why we have to bring it out in to the light.
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It just bothers me when people make claims for which they have no citations. I do try to post only things that I know for sure and if I a wrong, I will readily admit it but I really do try to post accurate information.
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