Displaying 1,861 To 1,890 Of 3,237 Comments Huffington Post Openly Launches Campaign to Attack Obama Kalie…please come by more often….. » Posted By MurphTheSurf3 On March 19, 2012 @ 8:12 pm Make sure your shots are up to date. » Posted By MurphTheSurf3 On March 19, 2012 @ 8:11 pm Ad Lib…if you have a moment pop over to my thread at HP and see how the trolls came calling and how I responded. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/murphthesurf3/how-obama-tried-to-sell-o_n_1365750_142284662.html » Posted By MurphTheSurf3 On March 19, 2012 @ 8:10 pm Hey kalie…..have we met before? I think not. Been on the Planet for long? I am still relatively new here. Well….we are on the same page. I came to Obama’s cause slowly…I was told by friends that he was the real deal. I watched, read and discussed. I then went to two events; one with him and one with Michelle. I moved into his camp and have not looked back. Thanks for sharing your experience. » Posted By MurphTheSurf3 On March 19, 2012 @ 7:31 pm I was not clear. I was referring to a general expectation that the president would work to honor their promises and for which there was an expectation that this was a reasonable expectation. More complex than your question. Should have spelled it out more. Let me reframe this. Nixon was widely regarded as a snake, Carter as a flake, Ford as a fool, Bush as a duplicitous cynic….thus low expectations in regard to credibility. The ones I list were those whose campaigns had the feel of crusades and whose platforms were raised up by a nobility that comes with that. People expected greatness from Ike, from JFK-LBJ, from Reagan etc. and depending on their political philosophy, their study of the period and their personal experience with the government they made their judgements. I will go looking. But a fast check gets me more of the same kind of endorsements we see in her post….Many “yes, buts” nothing full throated. » Posted By MurphTheSurf3 On March 19, 2012 @ 7:28 pm Do you put on a full body hazmat outfit when you surf huffingland? I have not looked at the post since I submitted it. Going there now. » Posted By MurphTheSurf3 On March 19, 2012 @ 6:57 pm I believe they projected their political philosophies on to him….common when a figure like Obama is hailed as a messianic figure who can do it all. This captures my thoughts on hope: “More than that, we rejoice in our sufferings, knowing that suffering produces endurance, and endurance produces character, and character produces hope, and hope does not disappoint us, because God’s love has been poured into our hearts through the Holy Spirit who has been given to us.” Paul’s words are powerful political philosophy and theology. » Posted By MurphTheSurf3 On March 19, 2012 @ 6:55 pm I do not read Arianna the way you do. I do not know if she is the person you believe her to be, but I have learned to value your point of view. What I do know is that I believe she is often wrong about Obama and that her website reflects this skew too often for my liking. So I critique every time. So far nothing has been censored. To respond to your points: Who has been held to a high standard- the expectation that their promises would be embodied in their presidencies? I can name a few: Hoover (failed), FDR (succeeded), Ike (succeeded), JFK-LBJ (failed), Reagain (succeeded for his followers, failed for the rest of us), Clinton (succeeded), Bush (failed), and Obama. NOW, WHO HAS BEEN HELD TO SOOOOOO HIGH A STANDARD….Obama and he gets it from both sides. Your second point is one I wholeheartedly agree with. Your third point is a powerful one and I admit that your and Kalima’s exposition on this subject has left me wondering. Is she a born again progressive who turned her back on conservative principles but who has become a progressive zealot in the process and sees herself holding him accountable or is she a trojan horse? I do not know. Depending on the day, I could offer evidence either way. There is a sort of fugue personality at work in all of this. Your fourth point is at the heart of my objection to posts like the one she wrote and the one to which I just responded at HP written by New York Magazine (which seems to whine a lot about Obama just not being good enough). Of course, she would likely saying she is no longer taking sides, being neither left or right, but I don’t buy that for a second. » Posted By MurphTheSurf3 On March 19, 2012 @ 6:50 pm And here is what I just left at HP in response to an article on Obama and Liberalism…..http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/19/how-obama-tried-to-sell-o_n_1365750.html#comments Let’s get this straight…. The Idealistic Obama Won Election The Realistic Obama is Governing Had Ideal Obama insisted on governing…insisted on getting the terms the way he wanted them, the language the way he wanted them, the sign on the way he wanted it…….we would be facing Progressive Armageddon. There would have be NO Auto Manufacturing Loans, Recovery Act, Wall Street Oversight of any Kind. Repeal of DADT, Equal Pay for Women Act, Affordable Care Act, Expanded Mileage Requirements, Extended Unemployment Benefits. THE PARTY OF NO, NOT, NEVER, NUH-UH…..would have won every battle….. The overarching point here is that Obama’s idealism, presented so eloquently by him as a candidate in speeches before huge crowds where his soaring rhetoric actually made his centrism loftier has not been matched by Obama the realist who decided that he would rather be a governing president than a martyred president. Who is Barack Obama….? He is more Bill Clinton than Jimmy Carter. Clinton got reelected and survived an effort to impeach him. Carter did not get reelected and he left virtually nothing in his wake as President. Obama will get reelected.He will go into his 2nd term with the kind of strength that will enable him to survive the storms of that term and to leave behind a solid legacy…..like Clinton. I believe that his second term, will be more progressive, if he also gets a Dem House and a more Dem Senate. If he doesn’t…. the second term will be about holding onto ground already taken and whittling away at the GOP fortress of selfishness. He will adapt to either condition. You see, it’s not that Obama was engaging in the kind of fraudulent fakeout that typifies the Romney candidacy. He is the centrist liberal progressive he said he was. Many, l read more into his books and his speeches than he said. Many projected their own political philosophy onto him.A quick review of the Blueprint for America tells you this. But, from the moment he took office he has faced a wall of pollicy, operational and personal opposition the likes of which no one has experienced since FDR. He was forced to adapt. And he did. And as a result he has a solid record of accomplishment. I may be foolish but I will take that over brokenhearted idealism. » Posted By MurphTheSurf3 On March 19, 2012 @ 6:33 pm HERE IS WHAT I WROTE AT HP THE FIRST DAY THE ARTICLE APPEARED (AND REPRINTED TWICE SINCE THE ORIGINAL POST) IN REGARD TO THE POST IN QUESTION. IT HAS POSTED EACH TIME I posted the following on March 15…. I am posting it again (for the third time) to be sure that it gets read by enough people to spread the word. Idealistic Obama Won Election Realistic Obama Governs Had Ideal Obama insisted on governing….we would be facing Progressive Armageddon. No Auto Bailout. No Recovery Act. No Wall Street Oversight of any Kind. No Repeal of DADT. No Equal Pay for Women Act. No Affordable Care Act. No Expanded Mileage Requirements. No…… Arianna’s overarching point here is that Obama’s idealism, presented so eloquently by him as a candidate has not been matched by Obama the realist a governing president. I agree. But, thankfully, Obama does not have Ms. Huffington for a principal adviser. He is more Bill Clinton than Jimmy Carter. Clinton got reelected. Carter did not. Obama will get reelected. I believe that his second term, will be more progressive, if he also gets a Dem House and a more Dem Senate. If he doesn’t the second term will be about holding onto ground already taken and whittling away at the GOP fortress of selfishness. You see, Arianna, it’s not that Obama was engaging in the kind of fraudulent fakeout that typifies the Romney candidacy. He is the centrist liberal progressive he said he was. Many, like you read more into his books and his speeches than he said. A quick review of the Blueprint for America tells you this. But, from the moment he took office he has faced a wall of opposition the likes of which no one has experienced since FDR. He was forced to adapt. And he did. And as a result he has a solid record of accomplishment. I will take that over brokenhearted idealism. » Posted By MurphTheSurf3 On March 19, 2012 @ 6:12 pm A Psychiatrist’s Perspective on Obama: “His work is not done. Our need is still real.” funk…but if the government changes hands won’t the lot of what they have done be turned out. How could any of the ALEC inspired legislation survive a Democratic wave? Or will the GOP be able to obstruct repeals and replacements? » Posted By MurphTheSurf3 On March 19, 2012 @ 7:00 am Ad LIb….look at the impact on Big Pharma re. the Aids battle in Africa….I read the whole thing as a way for governments to funnel more money to “their” people. I really believe that in the years to come Bush will be relegated to the bottom of every Presidential assessment. Corrupt, ineffective, and arrogant. » Posted By MurphTheSurf3 On March 19, 2012 @ 6:58 am Me too…marginally, but I am overwhelmingly convinced that it is an election we cannot afford not to win as several levels. WH, House, Senate, State Governments. » Posted By MurphTheSurf3 On March 19, 2012 @ 6:54 am PL …. doing great here. Tone is superfine. » Posted By MurphTheSurf3 On March 18, 2012 @ 6:34 pm Dispirited. Yes. So how are they hedging their bets? The money. Block the vote. Focus on the states, the house, the senate…but things there are starting to look bad. » Posted By MurphTheSurf3 On March 18, 2012 @ 5:47 pm Hi Maryl…even the video of him as a grad student at Harvard is our Barack…agree with you. He has integrity and the roots of that sense of self rundeep. Barack Obama has the FDR mantle, for sure. PS. I also have great affection and respect for Michelle. » Posted By MurphTheSurf3 On March 18, 2012 @ 5:12 pm Funk…I just reread your description of a GOP caucus. Does it strike you that they were much the same? Where was the Tea Party at my gathering? Nowhere? Any sign at yours? Where was the zeal, the anger, the passion, the victory at any price commitment? Your thoughts. » Posted By MurphTheSurf3 On March 18, 2012 @ 3:18 pm I asked Doc to visit us at the Planet. Your post is one of the finest among a whole bunch of great comments. I love these lines: “He asks one thing of us – something we’ve not been asked in years – and that is to care about the whole of us, not just our individual concerns. Slowly and steadily he has moved us back to a nation of cooperation and respect for one another. Our work on blogs that discuss that respect for the urban, the poor, those in “flyover country”, for those of faith and no faith, for those struggling to keep their heads above water – all of that emerges because HE reminds us we are all in this together.” So very well stated! So heartfelt. I had the pleasure of meeting Barack twice- up close and personal…both in SC….he is everything you said he is. MTS » Posted By MurphTheSurf3 On March 18, 2012 @ 3:10 pm Right between the eyes! » Posted By MurphTheSurf3 On March 18, 2012 @ 3:02 pm I would have been just as happy to have Hillary. I would have worked very hard for her as well. She would have been transformative as well. But, I think that Obama’s newness made his impact more profound in a time when the feeling of doom and gloom could so easily have overwhelmed and overpowered us. Your characterization of him seems on the mark. A most uncommon common man. » Posted By MurphTheSurf3 On March 18, 2012 @ 2:59 pm Great intro KT. Thanks for emphasizing the Planet Difference. Bourne will find this place a great place gather wits for the battle in the wider and less friendlier field. » Posted By MurphTheSurf3 On March 18, 2012 @ 2:51 pm Related to her HP name. » Posted By MurphTheSurf3 On March 18, 2012 @ 2:50 pm Another great link. I must ask the Doc about this? I wonder if there were any projections in that area. Of course, the way the GOP has been turning prisons into cash cows…they might regard a sudden increase in crime the equivalent of an oil gusher. I wonder if the folks will attach their pain to the GOP if the worse comes to worst? I am shocked that Obama’s job approval ratings remain in the zone they do. Are these folks that uninformed or that brainwashed? » Posted By MurphTheSurf3 On March 18, 2012 @ 2:48 pm You are welcome. I think that the DOc and I are going to hit it off. Yes, Obama as bridge makes sense to me. Not a liberal, sort of progressive-lite, but sane, rational, intelligent and knowledgeable. What we needed. » Posted By MurphTheSurf3 On March 18, 2012 @ 2:43 pm Powitanie » Posted By MurphTheSurf3 On March 18, 2012 @ 2:34 pm BourneID….Hey PL. Welcome to the Planet….quote away. I think you are going to like it here. I check the home page one a day and will respond to stories that hit me. Sometimes discussion develops, sometimes not. There is a section called Time Out for Off Topic at which one can post anything that is not related to a news page item. There is the weekly Vox Populi which I think you will love. Instant Messaging system so you get pretty close to real time interchanges. The Help section connects you to the Admin folk (and to anyone else who is there. I needed lots of help when I started to post my own articles. AdLib is very handy with virtually everything here. Kalima’s morning blog ties you into world news in a very unique way. Sometimes this place is hopping. Sometimes not. One very nice feature is that the notification system works very well. Whenever anyone leaves you a comment, your e mail is notified. Stories, live blogs are announced in the same way. A convention on this site is to begin your responses with the name of the person you are responding to. It makes finding the response easy in the middle stream on this page. So WELCOME! Afrikaans – Welkom » Posted By MurphTheSurf3 On March 18, 2012 @ 12:00 pm GOP Politics – Winning at Any Cost AdLib…been meaning to say…GREAT GRAPHIC for the story….perfect in so many ways…..pouring kerosene on their own broken bridge….who struck the match? » Posted By MurphTheSurf3 On March 16, 2012 @ 3:58 pm Ad Lib On the whole we are on the same page re. Schmidt. Yes, the joke was no joke but there was nothing they could have done above board. I wonder though if her rogue nature would have pushed them to try to do something. She could not and cannot be controlled. I have no doubt she would have proven herself worthy of impeachment in very little time (as VP, not to mention P). Your B of A reminds me of my own experiencing closing my account. No police but a very aggressive effort to convince me of the grave error I was making and then an effort to delay the closure “for technical reasons.” My line: If I don’t have a cashier’s check in my hand in ten minutes my next move is call my attorney and the local press.” Five minutes later….. Occupy….interesting developments….there has been a cleansing in the ranks to push out folks like those from Oakland who were trying to hijack the movement. Our “futures” paper is back in circulation. Occupy the Election???? AND, if you recall, I am going to the Mo. caucuses tomorrow as a “Democrat-Leaning Guest” of my county’s GOP. I left a fuller response for Funk at his story. » Posted By MurphTheSurf3 On March 16, 2012 @ 3:42 pm Agreed. And they are holding onto capital to take advantage of other investments which will benefit them above and beyond the prime rate variances they can now get. We bailed them out and then they used that money to make money. So wrong. » Posted By MurphTheSurf3 On March 16, 2012 @ 3:34 pm Your insight in the sea change that marks Schmidts movement from unprincipled servant to his paymaster to highly principle pundit in service to a higher cause makes sense. Palin was his monster, no doubt. I like him on MSNBC (as I also like Steele). MSNBC, unlike Fox, really tries to mount a credible and respectable conservative presence on its shows. Your conjecture that Schmidt was the source of some of what leaked during the campaign makes sense. Still, it could have been a minute late and a dollar short….fortunately McCain was a weak choice as well. Schmidt created Palin as VP and as the darling of the TP…so he still has a lot of penance to do. As to the “joke”. You got it. It was no joke. Either in the telling or in the recognition of what it would require of the cabinet and the Congress. It would have taken no time for both to figure out what a problem they had. And to the economy….well you said it all. My friend and his associates are doing so well…..one side story. He has moved all of his money and his business accounts into 2 credit unions. The bank that turned him down for a loan, Wells Fargo, has been trying to lure him back for months now. He tells me that his line is always the same: “When I needed you, where were you? Why would you expect me to respond to you now?” » Posted By MurphTheSurf3 On March 16, 2012 @ 12:30 pmComments Posted By MurphTheSurf3
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