Displaying 151 To 180 Of 3,538 Comments Occupy Wall Street Could Be a Seminal Moment … Or It Couldn’t What changes KT? No more public beheadings? Still a ruling class deciding for the rest of us. Over 200 years in the “land of freedom” and we still aren’t all free. Laughable. » Posted By ADONAI On October 7, 2011 @ 5:49 pm How are these people helping? » Posted By ADONAI On October 7, 2011 @ 5:47 pm Yep. » Posted By ADONAI On October 7, 2011 @ 4:57 pm Change? What has changed? What has changed since the first day man put up a fence around a piece of land and called it his? Democrats and Republicans are just the modern Assyrians and Akkadians. A ruling class that decides FOR you. People don’t want change. They want happy fucking promises and no commitments. Everyone’s America depends on where and when they were born and what color their skin is. To deny that is to deny the reality you wake up to everyday. America has never prospered. Those words always sounded so hollow when I said them. Everyone’s surplus was someone else’s deficit. When this country was “booming” in the 50’s and 60’s, you know who wasn’t doing too damn good? Same people who never do any good, the poor and minorities. Preach prosperity to the black men being hung for walking down the street. Preach equality to the Mexican Americans being dragged out of their homes so we could build a fucking baseball stadium. This country is full of fucking white people problems and colorblind solutions. I don’t wanna fight for this America. I don’t wanna fight for a country that has such a narrow view of success. Life is too short for me to die trying to make things better, temporarily, for 10% of the country. Over and over and over and over and over again. What progress? When has it EVER not been this way? That’s what I mean. That’s what Albert Camus meant. You aren’t fighting for change. You’re fighting for the status quo. Whose change? Yours? Mine? That’s kinda shitty. » Posted By ADONAI On October 7, 2011 @ 4:56 pm They had leaders in the 60’s. They were killed. Revolution is an illusion. Pointless and counterproductive. This isn’t 1776. We aren’t being led by aristocrats who were shamed by being asked to pay taxes. Just faux revolutionaries who have never been asked to sacrifice a day in their fucking lives. Revolution didn’t give us America. A long, bloody war with a little help from France gave us America. Without that the revolution is a bunch of fops in powdered wigs arguing about how many slaves they should have. Now the people who built and fed the corporate machine want to call it out? Go fuck yourself. Why don’t you Facebook some meeting spots? Stop at Wal-Mart and get your protest kit ready. Don’t forget your sweater from Abercrombie and Fitch. And bring some drums. We all know how much everyone loves a groovy jam. We made this. Now swallow it. So tired of a democracy that blames everyone else but themselves. Yo know what I did? I fucked up. Bad. I did whatever I wanted, whenever I wanted. Never once stopped to think about how my life impacts the world. Never stopped to think that to have my lifestyle someone, somewhere had to give up theirs. And it kills me. Kills me every time I think about it. Every time I punch a key on my box store computer, wondering how many people had to die so I could have it. But still I go on. Fall into the same routines. Try to do what is best for my family and myself. Does it make me a bad person? Often times I think it does. SO happy to be born in this country, while thinking that my birth probably means hundreds had to die somewhere to accommodate me. The fight for equality has been gong on since man first left the tribes and 10,000 years later we ain’t a goddamn inch closer. Just graveyards full of revolutionaries. Too blinded by their own anger to see that they were part of the problem. They were part of the status quo. What’s happening to America right now, this is called karma. This is payment for a legacy of sins, I deserve it. You deserve it. Most of us deserve it. Reap what has been sewn. Then Facebook it. » Posted By ADONAI On October 7, 2011 @ 2:22 pm “A difficulty for scholarship of movements is that for most of them, neither insiders to a movement nor outsiders apply consistent labels or even descriptive phrases. Unless there is a single leader who does that, or a formal system of membership agreements, activists will typically use diverse labels and descriptive phrases that require scholars to discern when they are referring to the same or similar ideas, declare similar goals, adopt similar programs of action, and use similar methods. There can be great differences in the way that is done, to recognize who is and who is not a member or an allied group: Insiders: Often exaggerate the level of support by considering people supporters whose level of activity or support is weak, but also reject those that outsiders might consider supporters because they discredit the cause, or are even seen as adversaries. It is often outsiders rather than insiders that apply the identifying labels for a movement, which the insiders then may or may not adopt and use to self-identify. For example, the label for the levellers political movement in 17th century England was applied to them by their antagonists, as a term of disparagement. Yet admirers of the movement and its aims later came to use the term, and it is the term by which they are known to history.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_movement So, if OWS is a movement, how are we identifying it? How will future generations identify it? What message or messages will they take up that best represent what OWS is trying to accomplish? » Posted By ADONAI On November 10, 2011 @ 1:41 pm Well, the people let them. And now the people are paying for it. How many times from 1996 to 2006 was an article printed somewhere in the world predicting almost everything that has happened? Billions? Trillions? And now we’re angry? AFTER the shit has already happened? After we sold our souls we suddenly want our money back? Hindsight is a motherfucker. When is foresight showing up? I’m sure most of the people protesting today have tried to do the right thing. But it’s a big fucking country and we own a lot of debts. And the TV is full of stupid people with stupid ideas. Bill O’Reilly thinks the rich need more money. Dylan Ratigan thinks only rich people should run for President. And Rachel Maddow is just adorable. But that’s not helping. While we’re occupying Wall Street let’s occupy MSNBC, CNN, and FOX. Do you know what American viewers of cable new are more interested in than this? 1.Hank Williams Jr. 2.Steve Jobs 3.The NBA lockout 4.Amanda Knox 5.Jersey Shore And that was just yesterday. Who knows what will be filling the next 23 hours and 55 minutes. But I know where that last 5 will go. That’s right. Deleted scenes from Lockup:Raw. It’s over. It’s been over for a long time. Protest any fucking thing you want cause we tuned out a long time ago. This will amount to arrests and not much else. And get ready for President Romney. I know you’re hurting, I know you don’t deserve what has happened. The problem is that most of us do. And we’re determined to take you down with us. » Posted By ADONAI On October 6, 2011 @ 4:19 pm The Secret War Against The Counter Culture It’s not just “marriage laws”. There is so much attached to it. Benefits, considerations, and taxes that so many other couples benefit from. Minorities: Why make laws? Those days are over. Now we just deny and imprison them. » Posted By ADONAI On October 7, 2011 @ 6:17 pm Sue, I get that the developers are the real villains here but the government knew what was up. Sheriffs were sent in. » Posted By ADONAI On October 7, 2011 @ 5:59 pm Remember that when they’re cuffing people in New York for exercising their rights. Suggestions. » Posted By ADONAI On October 7, 2011 @ 5:56 pm Unless you’re gay. Then we have any number of legal reasons to deny you. Or a minority. We just institutionalized those violations. » Posted By ADONAI On October 7, 2011 @ 5:46 pm KT, Extraordinary rendition is not illegal. Obama’s executive order merely called for more oversight. You know from the people doing the abducting. It didn’t outlaw the practice. Then the courts made it impossible to sue the government for illegal rendition. You have no rights. » Posted By ADONAI On October 7, 2011 @ 5:43 pm Chavez Ravine. It’s where Dodger Stadium is. In the 50’s the government dragged dozens of Mexican American families out of their homes and off their property so they could build a baseball stadium. » Posted By ADONAI On October 7, 2011 @ 5:39 pm Thanks Sue! I’m growing fond of it myself » Posted By ADONAI On October 7, 2011 @ 5:04 pm Google Japanese American internment camps in 1942. That was indisputably American soil. Guantanamo is done in our name on our dime. We can’t push ti away. We own it. Google Kent State, habeas corpus, Waco, Birmingham Alabama, Chavez Ravine, Patriot Act, wiretapping, extraordinary rendition, etc. You’ll see how much your rights are worth. They can be taken away anytime it suits them. That means they are far, FAR from being rights. They are suggestions. » Posted By ADONAI On October 7, 2011 @ 5:03 pm If it’s a right, it can’t be denied to you. we have all kinds of systems in place to deny your “rights”. So they’re not really rights are they? And how do yo contact your lawyer when you’ve been abducted from an airport and flown to Syria? » Posted By ADONAI On October 7, 2011 @ 4:59 pm Oh KT, we’ve had this discussion before. We don’t have rights. There is nothing to violate. It’s merely a set of suggestions. » Posted By ADONAI On October 7, 2011 @ 2:25 pm The Debt Ceiling Battle: Obama Won It, Despite What You Heard choice, I feel I have to agree with you even though a part of me says I shouldn’t. I try not to be cynical. I just don’t trust authority, regardless of what letter is in front of their name. But the President has proven me happily wrong so many times that I really need to start cutting him more slack on domestic issues. The fact he sincerely tries puts him head and shoulders above the last 4 guys. Most of my disagreements with the President have been on foreign policy issues anyways. » Posted By ADONAI On October 2, 2011 @ 4:48 pm Whether the deal was “good” or not all depends on this stupid “super committee”. Obama has vowed to let the Bush tax cuts expire IF the new committee doesn’t produce a bill with serious “tax reform”. Well, let’s say they do. They get a “tax reform” bill out of Congress, which is really their main duty, but it’s soft and does nothign to really raise new revenue. Will Obama sign it? What if it “works” but extends the Bush tax cuts? Will Obama veto it? This is definitely not over yet and I feel another “hostage situation” is looming. » Posted By ADONAI On October 2, 2011 @ 12:15 pm Weekend Music Thread – The Boys Are Back in Town Johnny Cash – Cocaine Blues https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aq344ks1ieg THE man. » Posted By ADONAI On October 1, 2011 @ 5:33 pm “Boys Are Back In Town” Mix: Bo Diddley – I’m A Man https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaC5ZKRjLUM James Brown-This is a mans world http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wd1-HM234DE Black Crowes – Young Man Old Man http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YcqSEyUEj4 Southern Isolation – Southern Man I Am http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnSCplqF4Ow Guns N’ Roses – Nice Boys http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNjTayYv9Yg Enjoy. » Posted By ADONAI On October 1, 2011 @ 12:30 pm The Sad Legacy of the “War on Terror” Pt. 1 I have disagreements with the President on a lot of his foreign policy But, in this case, I have to agree that he’s making the best of a really bad situation and an even worse Congress. » Posted By ADONAI On November 27, 2011 @ 3:42 pm Indeed, atdnext. It just all kinda snowballed and very few were really paying attention. » Posted By ADONAI On November 27, 2011 @ 2:54 pm Thank you kes. And I think a lot of people “checked out” during the 90’s. After the tech bubble formed in ’93 or ’94(maybe earlier), lots of people were getting rich. Just regular folks. All of a sudden the guy down the street is a millionaire for doing some dumb shit on the internet. We had just won a great military “victory” in the Persian Gulf and China was selling us really cheap shit. Kinda like now but more sarcasm and irony. I always think of the 90’s as a decade of missed opportunity. » Posted By ADONAI On November 27, 2011 @ 2:53 pm Thank you Sue. And I will most definitely get into PNAC, Heritage Foundation, and all the other “think thanks” that brought us the Iraq invasion, the Patriot Act, No Child Left Behind, the privatization of SS, the end of unions, and every other terrible idea the Republicans have. And Bin Laden was apparently critical of most every faith. Even his own. But , as you said, he was a hypocrite. All terrorists are. All people who think the destruction of innocents is justification to kill more innocent people. It’s a warped way of thinking. » Posted By ADONAI On November 27, 2011 @ 2:47 pm KT, It really is insane how much they got away with. The outing of a CIA agent is textbook treason yet nothign really came of it. We all know Libby was a fall guy. Even the media acknowledged it. That’s my problem right now writing part 2. Trying to stop myself from writing 6000 words alone on the layers of secrecy in that White House. But I will definitely get into Plame, the yellow cake uranium, and the Bush teams masterful stroking of the mainstream media. » Posted By ADONAI On November 27, 2011 @ 2:43 pm Don’t Ask Don’t Tell – Defacto Policy in the Big Four Sports Love Sir Charles. He always knows exactly what to say. I was actually thinking about this the other day while discussing DADT. I too feel an unspoken rule like that exists in sports. And the media would make it far tougher for a gay athlete than his teammates ever would. His teammates would eventually drop it. Especially if he was pretty damn good. The media would never let that shit go. They’d bring it up everyday, discuss it day after day, hour after hour, and instead of it becoming common and accepted, it would still be sensationalized and “weird”. And when everyone wonders why gay athletes weren’t accepted, the media, as usual, will whine that they had nothing to do with it. That their 24 hour a day, 7 day a week obsession with it played no part. It would have to be a star. A HUGE star. Someone who already owns the media and most of our hearts. It’s not fair but that’s probably the only way it will work. Cause, in sports, very few people care who or what you are if you can play. Winning solves everything. » Posted By ADONAI On September 29, 2011 @ 2:03 pm When The Simmering Public Finally Erupts Thanks as always fellas. I knew you’d tell me what I needed to hear. You’re absolutely right. » Posted By ADONAI On September 29, 2011 @ 4:54 pm I get that. I do. But it’s the same arguments year after year, decade after decade, generation after generation. That’s not progress. I guess I was saying that the younger generations always have to take up the causes of the previous one. We can never just fix our own problems and let the next generation take care of their own. You know? It’s like we put them in a hole before they even begin. And it has been going on for a long time. You are absolutely correct. But instead of just saying “Suck it up and get it done”, why not, just once, look back at the previous generation and ask, “WTF were you doing?” Many of these problems are so old and so tired, we should have put them to rest long, long ago. But there are a lot of “shouldas” and “couldas” in there. I know I’m just making excuses. But I think they’re good excuses! » Posted By ADONAI On September 29, 2011 @ 3:49 pm Good point KT » Posted By ADONAI On September 29, 2011 @ 3:09 pmComments Posted By ADONAI
Outsiders: Those not supporters who may tend to either underestimate or overestimate the level or support or activity of elements of a movement, by including or excluding those that insiders would exclude or include.
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