Vox Populi, our weekly live chat about the week’s events begins tonight at 7:00pm PST. Hope to see you then!
AdLib3 hours ago
Hey TW!
AdLib2 hours ago
Hey Ad. Quick question how do I get the text box to expand when I click on the arrow up top nothing happens.
twilson117
2 hours ago
Drag the lower right corner of the window.
AdLib2 hours ago
Ah that works just fine.
twilson117
2 hours ago
Perfect!
AdLib2 hours ago
I’m glad there’s been a lot of pushback against Hur and his outrageous political attack against Biden in his report.
AdLib2 hours ago
Well it looks like a showdown between Cannon and Smith
twilson117
2 hours ago
Yeah Hur has taken it too far, but I’m glad it happen now and not in September.
twilson117
2 hours ago
Yep, I think Cannon’s hubris today, ordering Smith to provide all that wirness information late Friday, in hours to Trump was the last straw. I think Smith has to be applying for an emergency appeal to the 11th Circuit and now has a legit argument to force Cannon off the case.
AdLib2 hours ago
Also as we discussed yesterday Trump will win on the ballot but lose on the immunity. While I want to see him lose everything I rather see him get squashed on the immunity.
twilson117
2 hours ago
Exactly! People already thought Biden was old before this attack, 9 months from now they still will but Trump will be a convicted criminal by then and that will get all the talk.
AdLib2 hours ago
I wouldn’t be surprised if the case wasn’t already written and all he has to do is push the send button.
twilson117
2 hours ago
CL is in the House!!!
twilson117
2 hours ago
Evening, good friend!
choicelady
2 hours ago
Friends. Plural. Typing challenged today.
choicelady
2 hours ago
Hello CL lot’s to discuss.
twilson117
2 hours ago
Obviously, he has to lose on immunity, it is a total fabrication and runs counter to so much of the Constitution, But I do think there were legit grounds to remove trump from the ballot and have him declared ineligible but even the liberals on the SCOTUS didn’t seem to want to go there.
AdLib2 hours ago
Hey CL!
AdLib2 hours ago
I agree that Canon is loose. I think she has WAY overstepped and will be kicked off.
choicelady
2 hours ago
Ad – are you OK down there. It wasn’t a HUGE quake, but depending on where you are, even that can do damage
choicelady
2 hours ago
Ad yes I agree about the liberal judges on the ballot issue, it would have been nice to just see him lose and lose and lose.
twilson117
2 hours ago
TW – Good point, Smith is so sharp, he may have already been drafting his appeal against Cannon after she initially made the wrong decision, knowing her hubris and partisanship that she wouldn’t back down.
AdLib2 hours ago
CL we all agree on that.
twilson117
2 hours ago
CL – Smith has been patient, waiting for this moment that seemed inevitable, I think he has cause now to force recusal of Cannon now.
AdLib2 hours ago
I bet Smith drafted a complaint agint Ol’ Aileen the day she was appointed.
choicelady
2 hours ago
Her disregard for confidentiality and protection is WAY outside the cannons for high security cases that I think she is toast.
choicelady
2 hours ago
CL I’m in agreement with you. I believe he already has an appeal ready all he needs to do is push send.
twilson117
2 hours ago
choicelady
2 hours ago
CL – Just fine here. Definitely felt the quake, my wife has an app and her phone was near me, that almost immediately said “Earthquake!”. I now have the same app on my phone, it went off as the earthquake was happening, that’s pretty remarkable. It’s always the same with a quake, you know, as it has surges of strength, you’re kind of waiting to see if a huge surge comes. It didn’t so all is just fine here.
AdLib2 hours ago
CL especially with how Trump supporters decided to take matters into their own hands.
twilson117
2 hours ago
VERY glad you’re OK. I have never recovered from 1971. OMG. Greg was in the round Holiday Inn off the 405 for Northridge. More or less slept through it which means YES, he probably WILL sleep through the Apocalypse which, if you think about it, is perfect.
choicelady
2 hours ago
CL – Heh! I have 100% coinfidence in Smith’s smarts, he’s thinking ahead so I do think he’s been building his case to remove Cannon but she seems to have just given him all he needs. Maybe not, I’m no expert in this area but it sure seems big enough to bury her.
AdLib2 hours ago
Ad – screwing around with protection under national security is SO WRONG and off the charts I think she has screwed herself royally.
choicelady
2 hours ago
I bet Smith is a wiz and game theory.
twilson117
2 hours ago
TW – he is the one who convicted the Butcher of Kosovo. He has high profile wins against tyrants. That’s why Garland wanted him.
choicelady
2 hours ago
He was in Northridge? I know the round Holiday Inn in Burbank, didn’t know there was one in Northridge. How on Earth could he have slept through it? Where we are, it was magnified to over 7.0. SO much destruction around where we were, thankfully not to our place.
AdLib2 hours ago
CL a round Holiday Inn, there was one in Syracuse my home town with it’s version of the Playboy Club at the top.
twilson117
2 hours ago
CL – And Cannon is wholly wrong about the judicial norms for secrecy, what she quoted was factually wrong as a policy. And her refusal to relent sure seems to be disqualifying.
AdLib2 hours ago
It was the round HI south of Mulholland. Greg has sleep apnea and when he sleeps, it’s profound. I think it’s very funny, but he was perpetually exhausted until he got a sleep study and CPAP. Now it’s better.
choicelady
2 hours ago
TW – That sounds cool! Did you ever go up there?
AdLib2 hours ago
Ad – she’s a piece of work. To avoid the existing laws and regs on high security cases is a fool’s errand.
choicelady
2 hours ago
TW – for a time they were everywhere. I knew of the HI in Syracuse but not it’s, so to speak, “crowning glory”!
choicelady
2 hours ago
Ad oh yeah me and one of my buddies made the rounds it was nice. But it got old real fast.
twilson117
2 hours ago
CL – Oh! That Holiday Inn is more in Brentwood which is several miles south of Northridge. It’s not so far away from us!
AdLib2 hours ago
Right. He THINKS he did briefly wake up (not sure) but by the time his alarm went off he had forgotten and couldn’t figure out why no electricity, no water. He also has ZERO memory of how he got back to Sacramento since airports were closed for a time.
choicelady
2 hours ago
Sleep apnea is horrid because it does screw with memory among other things.
choicelady
2 hours ago
CL it was something totally different for Syracuse a round hotel. But in time it diminished and was torn down when they expanded the St. Joe’s hospital complex. But I was long gone when that happened.
twilson117
2 hours ago
I love telling the tale – my hubs slept through the Northridge earthquake.
choicelady
2 hours ago
CL – I think Cannon is typical MAGA, she thinks she knows more than she does. Her hubris and self-righteousness dominates her thinking and loyalty to Trump as she imagines becoming a SCOTUS judge probably also contributes to her gross ignorance. Either way, I thibnk this could be the end of her overseeing this case.
AdLib2 hours ago
I grew up near Chicago and remember the first round apartment was there. Two “corn cobs” as they got known. I think they still exist. From the 1960s.
choicelady
2 hours ago
Ad – you have perfectly described Cannon.
choicelady
2 hours ago
CL – Very funny! He slept through the biggest earthquake LA has had in its history then got home when planes weren’t flying. Is he magical?
AdLib2 hours ago
Everything I’ve read about Cannon she seems like all should be doing as a judge is hearing jaywalking cases and overdue library fees.
twilson117
2 hours ago
TW – Sounds like a fond memory, even if it got old after a while. And now…it’s just a memory itself.
AdLib2 hours ago
Ad – if he could remember, he might have been. He has a way of dealing w adversity which is to immerse himself in a book and pay NO attention to it.
choicelady
2 hours ago
TW – I think those areas of law are above her acumen.
choicelady
2 hours ago
CL – I like uniquely shaped buildings, round hotels are great because everyone has a view but round buildings look so sleek and modern.
AdLib2 hours ago
Ad it was fun for the moment. And as you said some good memories that I don’t talk about with the lady of the house about at all.
twilson117
2 hours ago
I always liked the Marina towers.
choicelady
2 hours ago
CL well she has to learn somewhere.
twilson117
2 hours ago
TW – she should have been a meter maid.
choicelady
2 hours ago
If Cannon wasn’t so unintelligent, she could have just cruised through the process, delaying everything until after the election and have that as her assistance to Trump but going so far overboard on this issue of national and personal security for witnesses who are involved in other investigations, seems so ignorantly reckless.
AdLib2 hours ago
CL that’s giving her far too much credit because I don’t think she even knows what a meter is.
twilson117
2 hours ago
Ad – there are few more arrogant than those who know little but believe they know everything.
choicelady
2 hours ago
TW – Yep, I understand not bragging about that in front of your spouse.
AdLib2 hours ago
TW – you may be right about that.
choicelady
2 hours ago
Well, Smith is playing the hand he was dealt extremely well when it comes to Cannon.
twilson117
2 hours ago
TW from the moment she was the assigned judge, he knew what was afoot.
choicelady
2 hours ago
CL – My mother used to live in apartments across from the Marina towers, saw them many times and they were very cool.
AdLib2 hours ago
I looked them up – they are still there.
choicelady
2 hours ago
CL, sounds like you’ve heard of her before. spill. 
twilson117
2 hours ago
I love Chicago. It does have spectacular architecture.
choicelady
2 hours ago
CL – It’s the Dunning Kruger effect, being ignorant only makes them more confident that they’renot.
AdLib2 hours ago
TW – well, she got in trouble in a pre-Jack Smith case and was censured by the 11th D. Appellate court. Again for favoring Trump. Don’t recall details, but you’d THINK she would have learned from that. But noooooo.
choicelady
2 hours ago
Ad are you saying they need to hide the lemon juice from Cannon?
twilson117
2 hours ago
I have to say, with all the federal judges in FL, it still hit me as too coincidental that this case was given to Cannon. I think it may have been improperly directed to her.
AdLib2 hours ago
CL Okay, I thought you had some earlier information on her. She made a clear mess of that.
twilson117
2 hours ago
Ad – someone did research and found that nope. Luck of the draw.
choicelady
2 hours ago
CL – Cannon tried to prevent the DoJ from being able to examine and use evidence because she claimed it all had to be decided by a special master that it wasn’t covered by presidential immunity or other rights she was attributing to Trump. The 11th Circuit told her, “No, you’re a moron, that’s not how the law works.”
AdLib2 hours ago
Ad the overall mistake was her being nominated by Trump and put forward by the Federalist Society and the Senate confirming. Do you know what the vote was?
twilson117
2 hours ago
TW – no, I did not ever hear of her until Trump appointed her and McConnell let her be confirmed. She had a track record of NO substance, not EVEN traffic court or overdue library fines.
choicelady
2 hours ago
TW – They need to hide forks from Cannon so she doesn’t stab herself in the forehead.
AdLib2 hours ago
TW – it was in the first two years when the GOP had the Senate. They all voted for her. I think all the Dems voted against, but majority ruled the day.
choicelady
2 hours ago
Ad – I can see that. She seems that dim.
choicelady
an hour ago
CL – Okay, I’ll accept that it was luck of the draw but it sure seems overly coincidental. She was the only judge who could protect Trump like this.
AdLiban hour ago
Well we ALL thought the fix was in, but it really was chance.
choicelady
an hour ago
TW – Yes, for most of America, Cannon getting confirmed as a fed judhe was the initial mistake but Trump and the Federalists gamed it out correctly, that she would be a smurf for them, blindly serving their interests with no regard for justice or the law.
AdLiban hour ago
CL that sounds about right. I remember there were some candidates in front of the committee when pressed by Kennedy who couldn’t answer basic questions who dropped out or was asked to drop out. Don’t remember which but even Kennedy was embarrassed by their lack of basic knowledge.
twilson117
an hour ago
Ad – I would hasten to opine that Cannon doesn’t KNOW the law and thus is the perfect Trump dupe.
choicelady
an hour ago
Cannon needs to be forced to recuse by the 11th Circuit AND disciplined by them for her improper conduct. She needs to be moved to traffic court and even then, it would be bad luck to get her. Has anyone ever heard her speak? I’m curious what she sounds like when trying to sound like a judge.
AdLiban hour ago
TW – I remember that. Cannon isn’t far off that ignorant base.
choicelady
an hour ago
All – the judge in the Placer Juvenile Court debacle Greg and I have been supporting, broke EVERY SINGLE LAW on the CA books. I am not exaggerating. The hubris of judges who are not qualified to have their positions is appalling.
choicelady
an hour ago
CL – But like Engoron, judges have aides who help them with researching precedent and proper rulings. Though I’d assume someone as ignorant as Cannon probably hired a cashier from Target who wears a MAGA hat as her aide.
AdLiban hour ago
I think the assistants ARE picked to be dumb.
choicelady
an hour ago
Well the lawyer that was arguing the ballot case was the one that did the Texas Abortion Vigilantly Bounty law.
twilson117
an hour ago
CL – That’s awful! And unless it’s such a high profile case like this one, those horrible judges just keep destroying people’s lives with wrong and improper decisions.
AdLiban hour ago
Ad Engoron’s assist is on her way to becoming a judge read that the other day.
twilson117
an hour ago
There is ONE video on a federal appeal – Harwick v Orange County – that was from our Ninth C. in Pasadena CA. No clue why it was videoed, but it is fascinating. County Counsel for Orange Co. is clearly NOT happy to be arguing on CPS’s “right to lie”. She kept beating on the same case that wasn’t germane. The three justices eviscerated her. The plaintiff won. Too many cases of injustice go unchallenged. When they do come to light, it’s stunning how bad courts and public DAs, county counsels are.
choicelady
an hour ago
TW – True but that lawyer had the much easier position of asking the SCOTUS not to interfere with the election. The CO lawyers had a nearly impossible task of asking the court to do the right thing despite the outcry that would follow. They don’t want to be in the crosshairs more than they already are so they found reasons in the hearing to back away from their duty to the Constitution.
AdLiban hour ago
TW – Yep, I think Engoron’s aide already ran once for an electoral judgeship. After being a target for Trump, I think Dems will elect her next time and she deserves it.
AdLiban hour ago
Oh speaking of dumbbells, Grabby Bobert isn’t fairing so well in her new district that doesn’t want her. My money is she won’t be returning to Congress.
twilson117
an hour ago
While I think SCOTUS should rule Trump is ineligible to run, I think it would be worse to leave it to the states. Then MAGA and even the ‘worried middle’ would find that unfair. And chaos would erupt after he lost. I’d rather beat his fanny at the polls. Less room for screeching and gun play.
choicelady
an hour ago
TW- I will not bet against you on Boebert.
choicelady
an hour ago
CL – That’s refreshing to hear, glad the plaintiff won but as you say, many cases never make it that far and end with an unfair and unethical decision.
AdLiban hour ago
Did you see where Putin used Tuckums like a sock puppet with the interview.
twilson117
an hour ago
Did you see the newest “Trump as a virile, muscled man” ad? It’s jaw dropping. I am NOT making this up. It has Trump saying, “I’ll beat off any man who comes in my face.” Seriously.
choicelady
an hour ago
TW – LOVED that Putin held Tuck up to several levels of ridicule.
choicelady
an hour ago
Murph – is that you?
choicelady
an hour ago
TW – I think you’re right, BoBo is so over, they don’t want her in the new district, she came in 5th in a straw poll. She’s done. You don’t hear much from her anymore. If only MTG could be next but she’s in a very safe red district.
AdLiban hour ago
Ad – I’d love for several of these bozos to be voted out.
choicelady
an hour ago
CL yeah when he mentioned to him about not getting into the CIA. That was funny. But with his GPA he wouldn’t have made it at all.
twilson117
an hour ago
MTG has a BA in business. She should NOT be that ignorant. In-DICK-ted? Please!
choicelady
an hour ago
TW – he’s the middle aged white privileged kid who coasted on mummy and daddy’s sufferance and is living to rue the day.
choicelady
an hour ago
CL – I appreciate that, if Trump was taken off the ballot, as he really should be by the 14th Amendment since he is a proven seditionist, the first thing red states would do is accuse Biden of being a seditionists, despite zero evidence, and take him off their ballots. If Dems do win Congress and keep the WH, they should absolutely pass a law that lays out exactly how a seditionist is disqualified from the ballot.
AdLiban hour ago
CL she and her former Husband were cited for food poisoning at a food truck they were running.
twilson117
an hour ago
Ad – one could not keep Biden off EVEN w this SCOTUS, but yes, they would try.
choicelady
an hour ago
TW – I really loved that Tucker was stomped and humiliated by Putin. SO perfect! He tried to be Putin’s buddy and Putin shoved him into a locker like the loser nerd Tucker is.
AdLiban hour ago
TW – I thought that was Boebert. It’s so HARD trying to keep the miscreants straight!!
choicelady
an hour ago
Ad – Seems that Tuck can’t even butt kiss his way to relevance these days.
choicelady
an hour ago
Ad I agree the Trumpers would do everything in the power to knock Biden off the ballot.
twilson117
an hour ago
CL he just needs to retire and go fishing with his kids.
twilson117
an hour ago
Murphy is in the House!!
twilson117
an hour ago
TW – kids? He has kids? OMG.
choicelady
an hour ago
MURPH!!!
choicelady
an hour ago
CL – I’ve seen many graphics portraying Trump as a muscleman, they’re all so ridiculous and just affirm what a cult his followers are. The guy is fat, doesn’t exercise, eats fast food and drinks Diet Cokes…amnd needs to hands to drink from a bittle or glass and can’t walk down ramps! He wears a diaper and uses ifts that force him to lean forward when he stands. He is virtually bald with a ridiculous combover. And he is their Adonis?
AdLiban hour ago
Hey Murph!
AdLiban hour ago
CL yes two. I wrote a piece about him it’s up here on the Planet.
twilson117
an hour ago
Ad – MAGA wear red hats and rose colored glasses.
choicelady
an hour ago
TW – I will find it. I’m not doing much but Twitter these days. I need to get back here.
choicelady
an hour ago
CL – I’ve known many people with college diplomas who are more ignorant than other people I know who never finished college. Even morons can get through college, you never know that they had Ds in most classes, just that they made it through 4 years.
AdLiban hour ago
Ad – well we used to say of the Harvard-educated anti choice attorney that SOMEONE had to graduate at the bottom of the class.
choicelady
an hour ago
Murph’s browser wasn’t letting him post, he’s clearing his cache and restarting his browser, that should fix it.
AdLiban hour ago
Hope so. Tech is not our friend. We have a wonderful “come to your house and fix things” Geek Squad guy, Travis, who always leaves us in good shape. He gets we do public policy not tech because he does tech and not public policy.
choicelady
an hour ago
TW – MTG is still oisoning the country.
AdLiban hour ago
CL from the source I used for my article Tucker had a GPA of 2.1 that was rounded up.
twilson117
an hour ago
MTG got ejected from the Freedom Caucus which is about as low as one can go.
choicelady
an hour ago
TW – 
Tuck is one of the dumbest of the dumb.
choicelady
an hour ago
CL – Right, Biden couldn’t legally be kept off ballots but would Abbott in TX even listen to the SCOTUS or just support the crooked AG there in keeping Biden off? It would’ve been chaos which plays into Trump’s hands so even though I think Trump should’ve been taken off the ballot, probably for the best that he won’t be.
AdLiban hour ago
Ad – I agree. The chaos of it isn’t worth the satisfaction.
choicelady
an hour ago
Or vice versa…
choicelady
an hour ago
CL – I’m sure Tuckies was so excited about how he was going to be Putin’s best buddy and help him pervert the election while Putin looked at him as a total fool.
AdLiban hour ago
CL yeah he started taking road trips and drinking letting his grades slide. But he was always an obnoxious little twit.
twilson117
an hour ago
Am I here?
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Ad – I imagine Tuck was horrified.
choicelady
an hour ago
Yes I am!
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
MURPH – yes, you’re here’
choicelady
an hour ago
Murph you made it. let the party begin.
twilson117
an hour ago
Welcome back to this dimension, Murph!
AdLiban hour ago
Whi has the mojitos?
choicelady
an hour ago
I have been following the discussion but could not post.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
who has..
choicelady
an hour ago
Hello Ad, CL and Tw
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
I’m so sorry, but you’re here now.
choicelady
an hour ago
Murph I understand there has been some interesting things going on in Show Me Country.
twilson117
an hour ago
Just a question….everyone here is talking about how Biden came across last night and today as a senile old man. It is everywhere.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
CL – Yep, a degree is no confirmation of intelligence. Even idiots like Don Jr. get them.
AdLiban hour ago
Do you think that this may do him in?
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
TW – How funny, Tuckums was a D student, exactly what I thought.
AdLiban hour ago
The Special Counsel, in the GOP tradition, pulled a Clinton Sabotage on him.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph yeah we’ve touched on that. Look he’s four years older than me, and I whish I could do just 1/10th of what he had done.
twilson117
an hour ago
His press conference didn’t, but the media are cherry picking the report. I’ve read some of it, and the MAIN focus of it was exoneration on the documents.
choicelady
an hour ago
choicelady
an hour ago
TW….I have the same level of respect for him as you do.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph well I just did a Biden thing he’s 6 years older than me, just goes to show we all make mistakes.
twilson117
an hour ago
CL…agreed but cherry picking is what they do…….
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph – The MAGAs are all crowing about the Hur slander but the rest of the country doesn’t seem to be going overboard about it, lots of pushback against it in the MSM.
AdLiban hour ago
TW – same here. And he is rebutting it calmly and fully. As with EVERYTHING, this will pass. I now worry about a GOP “october surprise”
choicelady
an hour ago
Will there be a move to find another candidate.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph – our enemy are the media.
choicelady
an hour ago
Murph – NO, i am quite sure they DNC won’t. We went through this w HRC, and we are stronger, wiser, and less wussy than 2016.
choicelady
an hour ago
Most media benefit from bad news and chaos….is there a better source of that than trumps?
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph I don’t believe the Dems will do that.
twilson117
an hour ago
Murph – trump will move in to fill the slavering media void. He can’t help himself.
choicelady
an hour ago
CL…..I still recall the state of shock I was in on the night Hillary lost.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph – yup. Although I wasn’t. I seriously feared that could happen.
choicelady
an hour ago
Hope you all are correct…..I have not seen so much energy and out right joy among the MAGA crowd in years.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
The anti Trump, anti MAGA, anti corruption movement is huge this time.
choicelady
an hour ago
As some have said, this was another Comey move to “make it up to” the RW for not being able to find a crime, just as was tried with Hillary. This goes 100% against DoJ policy and was a political action. At least this time, unlike when Comey did the same to Hillary, many in the media arepushing back and even calling it another “but Hillary’s emails”.
AdLiban hour ago
CL I agree with you whole heartly on the media being the problem they are the ones blowing this out of proportion. They don’t do it on the same level for Trump and Trump is much worse than Biden.
twilson117
an hour ago
Murph – MAGA are on the skids. Their joy is regional (unfortunately for you) and loud but not large.
choicelady
an hour ago
Why did Garland lie this report pass through.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Biden has a speech impediment for which he needs to be careful.
choicelady
an hour ago
CL….yes and he does come across as much older than Trump….his physicality is aged.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
This country has an infinity with John Wayne problem.
twilson117
an hour ago
Murph – No legit Dems are moved by this ploy to not back Biden, it was clearly a political attack. Yes, we all know Biden is old but we also know Trump is an insane criminal. And in a month, no one will be talking about this attack on Biden but Trump will be prosecuted for crimes by Alvin Bragg (the case begins next month) and that will take up all the oxygen in the media.
AdLiban hour ago
Murph – a special counsel has autonomy. AGs don’t control the report. BARR violated the law and ethics of the DOJ by screwing w the Mueller Report. That is NOT the norm. Comey screwed with the bar on investigations within 90 days of an election. The AG can’t interfere w a special counsel, but Loretta Lynch should have fired Comey.
choicelady
an hour ago
Today Trumps Lady In Waiting Judge in FL gave. him another free pass.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph – we were talking about how Cannon is heading for removal. She is violating every protocol on the books.
choicelady
an hour ago
Murph – My theory is that Garland thought it would appear like he was neddling in the investigation if he censored the outrageous slurs in the report. I think he made the wrong decision but that’s my theory.
AdLiban hour ago
CL….so the dems play by the rules and lose…..
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Ad – AGs are not allowed to interfere w Special Prosecutors.
choicelady
an hour ago
Murph we have a nice little traffic court for her being set up where she will be when Smith gets through with her for this stunt she is trying to pull.
twilson117
an hour ago
I think Garland needs to step forward because right now among the things flying about is that his silence indicates his agreement.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
I dont think we lose doing it legally. We ARE more exhausted, but it’s worth establishing legitimacy.
choicelady
an hour ago
CL – Right, but Gartland could have at least discussed the report with Hur and made a point that his personal attacks were against DoJ policy. Maybe he did.
AdLiban hour ago
Murph – he can’t. Hur lies outside his control.
choicelady
an hour ago
TW….how will smith be able to take her down.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
NO – the AG is in a hands off role with special prosecutors.
choicelady
an hour ago
Garland needs to state that the Hur’s report is sullied by those slurs and that he was out of line re DOJ standards
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph – he MIGHT be able to say that. Not sure. WE need to remind everyone Hur is a JD not an MD.
choicelady
an hour ago
She is asking for smith to revel witnesses that as soon as their names come out they will start to receive the Trump harassment treatment and endanger the case. I don’t see Smith letting that happen and as I said earlier I bet on it that he has an appeal ready to go and all he has to do is push the send button.
twilson117
an hour ago
Does anyone recall how freely Starr said what he said? We curtailed some of that, but the AG is not supposed to mix in.
choicelady
an hour ago
CL…another reason that Garland needs to make his position clear….a JD acting as an MD
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
TW – agreed. Smith will appeal to the 11th immediately because what Cannon is doing is itself a legal violation I believe.
choicelady
an hour ago
How can the FL judge be shot out of a cannon.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Let’s be clear about the national narritive that will be going on for the foreseeable future.. Trump has the hush money case in March through May or later, the 1/6 case should be cleared to start (after immunity is dunked by SCOTUS soon) in around June and right after that, in August or September, the Fulton County case should be starting up. Wall to wall Trump criminality will be in the news as the cases expose more horrible things he’s said and done than we know now. No one is going to even remember Hur’s slurs against Biden after all that AND don’t forget, Hur cleared Biden of any crimes so he’s free and clear of any criminal investigations…unlike Trump.
AdLiban hour ago
Murph – I think she’s doing it to herself.
choicelady
an hour ago
CL….say more please…
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Ad – those are good points. Lost in this was a major bust by the FBI of a group looking to bomb court houses. (I think I got that right.) THIS – a Tim McVeigh type action – is what I fear.
choicelady
an hour ago
Ad….good summary….makes me feel better.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph if someone was to ask me right now the date my son died, it would take me some time because I will have to first deal with the pain of him not being here and compose myself because its a pain that never goes away. So for the jerk to put that in a report was beyond the pail from my perspective. There are two pieces of paper one that makes you happy and one that rips your heart out. So for that idiot to do what he did he should be horsed whipped.
twilson117
44 minutes ago
Murph – in high security cases or even mob trials where witness security is paramount, the standard if not the law, requires judges to protect the identities of witnesses as a FIRST priority. If the 11th chastises her AGAIN as it did before, she can be removed.
choicelady
43 minutes ago
I went to a school board meeting tonight…….asked to attend to provide support….it was a nightmare….most aggressive crowd I have seen in quite a while. Revved up by last night?
MurphTheSurf3
43 minutes ago
Murph – Loose Cannon WRONGLY claimed a rule to expose the names of witnesses who are not only involved in her case but other investigations, can be revealed. This is flat out a wrong ruling, hugely wrong and goes against what judges are supposed to do. Tonight, at 5pm, instead of pausing things she declared that Smith must provide all those unredacted names to Trump before the ned of tomorrow! This is outrageously wrong and Smith now has what he needs to go to the 11th Circuit and get her overturned and very possibly, replaced.
AdLib43 minutes ago
TW – that’s powerfully said. Thank you.
choicelady
43 minutes ago
CL it’s not an easy thing, and I say the pain in President Biden’s eyes when he was addressing it.
twilson117
41 minutes ago
CL and Ad….thanks for the briefing…let’s see what the 11th does.
MurphTheSurf3
41 minutes ago
I was horrified at what the press did last night.
MurphTheSurf3
41 minutes ago
CL – Yes, I saw that story and unfortunately, I think it represents that we mayu eventually see groups and lone wolf seditionists use violence to amp up the chaos before the election. But I also think the fact that the FBI caught these guys represents that they are really aggressive about seeking out and stopping these enemies of America.
AdLib40 minutes ago
All – Cannon is so in error on witness safety it’s beyond belief. For her NOT to know this is appalling. I think she does know it, rests on a non-germane bit of law her MAGA Target clerk clerk dredged up, and thinks she’s done a “gotcha'” to Smith. She hasn’t.
choicelady
40 minutes ago
Murph have they taken to book burning yet?
twilson117
40 minutes ago
TW – I’m sorry about your son. No one can relate to this situation than you and I expect the cruelty of Hur to attack Biden through the son he lost is even more disgusting.
AdLib38 minutes ago
When I was doing the FBI citizens’ academy training, that was a top focus for us. Dealing w domestic terrorists. They did NOT tell us how, but it was clear they infiltrate. I worked w a man who was an undercover operative who got to be the top Klan Dragon – had tats to show. He was looking for ways to get them removed! But the subversive groups mostly all are infiltrated. Thank goodness!
choicelady
38 minutes ago
TW….when I walked through the door I was handed a three page, single space list of the “pornographic” books that my high school was giving to students…..lies and misrepresentations….but it really riled up the crowd. The meeting was out of control from the start. It was adjourned in a panic. Not good.
MurphTheSurf3
38 minutes ago
Murph – what books were on the list do you know?
choicelady
37 minutes ago
TW…you know the pain that Biden know.
MurphTheSurf3
37 minutes ago
TW – yes, everyone who has lost someone knows that pain. Thank you for sharing it.
choicelady
37 minutes ago
I have the list…..many classics, some edgy books and some outright lies.
MurphTheSurf3
36 minutes ago
CL – And for Cannon to try to force Smith to provide witness names to Trump in less than 24 hours so he can’t appeal to the 11th Circuit is a huge slap in the face of the 11th Circuit and justice. I think they will stomp her flat for this.
AdLib36 minutes ago
Murph – figures. The list is compiled, no doubt, from rumors not actual reading.
choicelady
36 minutes ago
CL…I suspect the list is wall paper that the movement passes among its cells.
MurphTheSurf3
35 minutes ago
Smith can file no matter what.’
choicelady
35 minutes ago
Ad for anyone to have lost a child. You believe you will go before them because that’s the law of nature. So yeah to have heard that I sort of took it a bit personally and I’m willing to bet a lot of other people have as well. Let’s not forget what was the cause of his son’s death cancer from the burn pits he was around while overseas doing his duty for this country.
twilson117
35 minutes ago
CL – That’s very enlightening! Glad to know how aggressive the FBI is in infiltrating and stopping hate groups from attacking the country.
AdLib35 minutes ago
Murph – no question.
choicelady
35 minutes ago
Ad….will Cannon hold Smith in contempt if he fails to give out the list.
MurphTheSurf3
35 minutes ago
Murph – she can try, but he can file tonight, tomorrow. That stops the clock on her.
choicelady
34 minutes ago
CL……good……what a tool she is.
MurphTheSurf3
34 minutes ago
She thinks she’s smart. She isn’t.
choicelady
34 minutes ago
I envision her with her buds having drinks and costly dinners with her smugly thinking she’s “got” Smith. The bigger the ego, the bigger the fall.
choicelady
33 minutes ago
TW – Very good points and again, I can’t even imagine how difficult it’s been for you. I do think many will show more support for Biden after this awful, cruel attack. And as you say, his son died of cancer from those pits while serving his nation and all of us. Nobility. And Trump’s sons steal from charities. Sure, let’s compare sons, MSM.
AdLib32 minutes ago
CL I have to agree with you on that.
twilson117
32 minutes ago
Sorry folks – someone’s at the door, and it’s another homeless crisis. I will see you all next week. Have a GREAT week, all. Hugs all around.
choicelady
31 minutes ago
Bye CL
MurphTheSurf3
31 minutes ago
What a champion she is of the homeless……so admirable.
MurphTheSurf3
30 minutes ago
Murph – I think Cannon could try to sanction Smith but I think the 11th Circuit will preempt that and Smith knows it. I don’t doubt Smith will include in his appeal to the 11th that she tried to circumvent the 11th and I think they’ll be pissed off at her.
AdLib30 minutes ago
Ad, yes, now that would make a great campaign ad. But Biden wouldn’t allow it, because he is something that Trump will never be Joe Biden is a man of principle and a gentleman on the first order.
twilson117
30 minutes ago
CL take care.
twilson117
30 minutes ago
Ad….how can she be removed.
MurphTheSurf3
30 minutes ago
Agreed, CL is so remarkable, walks the walk!
AdLib30 minutes ago
TW….I think your reading of Biden is spot on……you are on his wavelength.
MurphTheSurf3
29 minutes ago
TW – Agreed, Biden wouldn’t use his lost son for political gain, he is a man of principle. But it won’t be necessary, Trump will sink of his own hefty and criminal weight.
AdLib29 minutes ago
Murph – Smith can appeal to the 11th to force Cannon to recuse after listing the repeated errors and lapses in judgement she’s had. I thought he would need to have more instances but this one is so egregious, he may be able to use this situation alone. That said, he may wait for more ammo before making the move to replace her.
AdLib27 minutes ago
Trump is mentally disturbed as we have so often discussed and let’s face he is getting worse every day. If we think about he’s projecting all his faults on to Biden.
twilson117
27 minutes ago
Side note…I got to speak to the office manager at Al Green’s Washington Office the morning after his stunning appearance and vote casting. We had a very nice chat. I shall be supporting him in future elections.
MurphTheSurf3
27 minutes ago
TW – You raise another great point, They may be trying to bury Biden with charges of senility but with the rapid decline Trump is going through, he could easily and spectacularly grab the senility spotlight for himself.
AdLib26 minutes ago
Thanks Ad. Helpful.
MurphTheSurf3
26 minutes ago
TW….Trump projecting…yes, that fits.
MurphTheSurf3
25 minutes ago
And if I was advising Biden’s campaign, I’d suggest they keep putting up video of Trump rambling and slurring his speech at each rally as seems to constantly be the case. He did it again tonight.
AdLib25 minutes ago
Ad…from your pen to their minds…..
MurphTheSurf3
25 minutes ago
Murph – Very cool! And talk about a quiet hero! Al Green showed such self-sacrifice on behalf of the many in America. Really impressed by him.
AdLib24 minutes ago
Ad it’s like we’ve discussed before he’s projecting. Also he is following the old saying about saying something often enough people will start to believe it.
twilson117
24 minutes ago
I do think the Biden people and the Dems in general need to dig into Trump Muck and make it known far and wide.
MurphTheSurf3
24 minutes ago
Murph there are a lot of pundits and pollsters who agree with you on that.
twilson117
22 minutes ago
Ad…it was accidental….someone answered….I presumed it would be a line staffer but in our chat she identified herself. She asked about me and my political life here and stated that I lived a life like those who support Green…on hostile territory.
MurphTheSurf3
22 minutes ago
All Trump and Repubs do is project. When they talk about cheating in elections, they do it. When they talk about Biden (and Obama before him) being dictators, it’s they who want to be dictators. And when they accuse Biden of senility, it’s because Trump’s senility is accelerating. Biden holds press conferences and TRUMP DOESN’T! He only gives speeches at rallies and in front of courthouses, he is afraid and incapable of speaking and being asked questions by the press. Because his senility has advanced that much.
AdLib21 minutes ago
Murph – Very cool conversation and that she really related to you being a blue dot in a sea of toxic red.
AdLib20 minutes ago
Ad there is a part of me that believes the Biden campaign has a very well detailed plan for dealing with Trump. But it’s us who want them to strike back when the Trump fools attack because we’ve accepted him as our guy and have a sense of dignity about respect for knowledgeable people.
twilson117
19 minutes ago
Ad…..you would be great as a campaign strategist.
MurphTheSurf3
19 minutes ago
TW…..that is a good reading of the overall situation I think.
MurphTheSurf3
18 minutes ago
And don’t forget, on top of the rest of the year being one prosecution of Trump after another, and a constant stream of headlines about Trump’s criminal acts, next week he probably gets hit with hundreds of millions in a judgement that also strips him of Trump Org and dissolves it. Trump will be so beaten down by November, I think he loses by a big margin as will the GOP nationally.
AdLib18 minutes ago
Ad,,,I want, desperately, to grab onto your vision and hold it close.
MurphTheSurf3
17 minutes ago
Murph it’s the media that is the problem when it comes to Biden I believe. They are always looking for the negative story, it plays better and makes for getting eyeballs on the headlines. Sort of like Yabbez.
twilson117
16 minutes ago
Murph – Thanks for that! My personal opinion is that Biden should take away the “old” issue from Trump and the Repubs, saying, “I am old and I may not remember everything as I did when I was young but I have amassed so much wisdom and I am filled with a sense of duty and compassion for the American people which I will continue to use to serve every American and make life better for all of us.”
AdLib16 minutes ago
TW…I wonder why the media do not do the same with Trump?
MurphTheSurf3
16 minutes ago
Murph. and that is the question!
twilson117
15 minutes ago
Ad…as I stated…..you would have a lot to offer a campaign.
MurphTheSurf3
15 minutes ago
Trump tonight on stage said it was Saturday afternoon, three times, when it was tonight……where is the press.
MurphTheSurf3
14 minutes ago
Murph – You know I have a pretty good track record. Watch what happens next week, Trump will be crushed financially, between the E. Jean Carroll $83 Million and the Engoron $300 million or so, and Trump Org dissolved, he will lose his mind and know that he will be seen as a massive loser…the one thing he absolutely can’t stand.
AdLib14 minutes ago
Ad…..I am counting on your wisdom, your vision, and your track record.
MurphTheSurf3
13 minutes ago
Murph – The MSM has done its best to look the other way as much as possible when Trump exhibits his dementia but the mixing up of Haley and Pelosi got a bit of play. I think Trump will spiral down exponentially as he’s crushed with trial after trial and the MSM will reluctantly report his mental collapse.
AdLib12 minutes ago
Murph I wondering if the reason main stream media (NY Time, WaPo, Huff and others) don’t cover Trump the same as they do Biden when it comes to mistakes is their pretense to be fair and balanced?
twilson117
12 minutes ago
TW…pretense….yes….
MurphTheSurf3
12 minutes ago
Well friends the witching hour is upon me. See you next week …. hopefully with the sign in dram
MurphTheSurf3
10 minutes ago
Murph there will be a lot more negative stories about Biden coming from the Baltimore Sun, now that it’s been bought by the owner of OANN. You can bet our bottom dollar on that. And the Sun won 16 Pulitzers for journalism.
twilson117
9 minutes ago
Murph – Thanks pal. You know I’m not a wild-eyed optimist, I’m not looking for the best possible future, just what’s most likely to be true. Trump is losing it, as you noted, today is Friday and he kept saying it was Saturday. Not a huge thing but it’s every night now. And the criminal trials are happening. As is the Engoron decision and the Carroll decision already happened. This will be the most destructive year for Trump in his entire life and putting that on him in addition to the humiliation, the desperation to escape prison, and the beating he’s taking in trial after trial, it would break most reasonable men, I think it will break this maniac too.
AdLib9 minutes ago
Hey Murph good to see you here stay safe.
twilson117
8 minutes ago
TW….Baltimore Sun was once a beacon of truth telling. Yes and now it rides upon cesspool.
MurphTheSurf3
8 minutes ago
Murph – Glad you made it on Vix tonight! You had an eventful week, thanks for sharing some of it with us. Have a restful weekend, lots to do this year!
AdLib8 minutes ago
Murph you’re right.
twilson117
8 minutes ago
Doesn’t matter how loud the RW media tries to be in attacking Biden, nothing competes with the media circus of an ex-president and current candidate being tried for crimes.
AdLib7 minutes ago
Add…if you are accurate in this, and you are accurate in so much what you write, then it will be a very good year.
MurphTheSurf3
7 minutes ago
Murph – Just saw that a poll came out showing generic Dems beating Repubs in The House. First time this year, it’s only getting better for Dems and Biden.
AdLib6 minutes ago
Well…I need to head to bed but I will dream of Dems fortunes rising as GOP fortunes fall.
MurphTheSurf3
5 minutes ago
Good night.
MurphTheSurf3
5 minutes ago
Take care Murph
twilson117
5 minutes ago
And next week (?) I think the election to fill Snatos’ seat comes up which a Dem may very well win, making it closer for Dems to take over The House!
AdLib5 minutes ago
Up for a chat>
AdLib4 minutes ago
Will call you in a bit. But before I go one more tech question why does all my comments go to the right and I see yours on the right?
twilson117
4 minutes ago
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