Vox Populi – 01-28-2022

Vox Populi, our weekly live chat about the week’s events begins tonight at 7:00pm PST. Hope to see you then! AdLib 19 hours ago

Good evening AdLib twilson117 17 hours ago

Hey TW! Has the snowstorm hit? AdLib 17 hours ago

Not yet, I believe it’s suppose to roll in around midnight twilson117 17 hours ago

NYT called it a Bomb Cyclone. AdLib 17 hours ago

From what is being said it sounds it’s going to be pretty big twilson117 17 hours ago

Yep. And my daughter has no boots. AdLib 17 hours ago

Yes, I know it will be interesting to see. The good part is there has been enough heads up so they can prepare for it. twilson117 17 hours ago

Youth you got to love it right? twilson117 17 hours ago

Yes, that is very good! Hope all are prepared well! AdLib 17 hours ago

Maybe someone will lend her some. twilson117 17 hours ago

Yep, been on her since the Summer and she’s put it off since then, she just didn’t understand the need even though we explained it. She “doesn’t like” boots. Uh…that’s like astronauts who won’t wear helmets in space because they feel too claustrophobic. California Girl. AdLib 17 hours ago

Well, what can you say other than it will be one of those life lessons for her because the snow will be wet and cold. twilson117 17 hours ago

Yep, she will learn the hard way as she often does. AdLib 17 hours ago

You two are all set for the storm though I’m sure. AdLib 17 hours ago

I will say this, if this storm is as big as they are saying the snow will be around for a bit she might get a chance to go out and buy some. twilson117 17 hours ago

Yes, we’ll set. Just has to hope this isn’t one of those storms that knocks out power, that’s when its dicey. twilson117 17 hours ago

I asked her again to order her boots earlier in the week. Hope she did. AdLib 17 hours ago

It’s supposed to be very windy, especially on the coast. How far are you from the coast? AdLib 17 hours ago

As I said these storms can be funny, but lately the forecasters have been pretty accurate. With all the new weather technology they now have they’ve been pretty spot on. Also with climate change, that has an impact as well. twilson117 16 hours ago

She probably thinks you’re just nagging her, and like all young ones, they always have plenty of time when the really don’t. But, hey it is about life right? twilson117 16 hours ago

Glad forecasting has gotten so much better, especially with Climate Change making that more important than ever. AdLib 16 hours ago

Yep, I think she imagined California weather year round out there, wearing shorts and tennis shoes all year. She thought of boots as a decision about style, not practicality. The young learn slower than the older. AdLib 16 hours ago

She’ll have some fun with the snow as it will be a new experience for her. But, trust me it will get old fast. Because with this kind of snow there is a cold weather. twilson117 16 hours ago

She should have gloves at least, we sent her out with those. And it was difficult getting her a heavy winter jacket, once again, she was just thinking about the style and she didn’t prefer heavy coats. Real education for her all the way around this semester. AdLib 16 hours ago

Our climate here in NE has been changing. Things have been getting warmer and in a number of cases winters also. But then we run into something like what is being forecast and the days of old are soon remembered. twilson117 16 hours ago

But she’s going to Florida in 2 weeks for a softball tournament so she will be out of the snow but in Covid Central. AdLib 16 hours ago

Wow don’t know what to say to that. twilson117 16 hours ago

What part of Florida? twilson117 16 hours ago

And they have a week long tourney over Easter Holiday in FL that most parents will go to but I haven’t made plans because I don’t know whether we should go to FL then. AdLib 16 hours ago

You are all vaccinated correct? twilson117 16 hours ago

It’s a smaller town, east of Orlando I believe. But small towns in FL may be just as dangerous with anti-vaxxers. AdLib 16 hours ago

We’re all triple vaccinated. But I’m still concerned about catching it in airports, planes and in FL. Some vaxxed people, nurses and doctors have still died from it. AdLib 16 hours ago

Sounds like it might be close to DisneyWorld. twilson117 16 hours ago

Not really. She’s played at the ESPN sports complex in the Disneyworld area and it’s not close to there. AdLib 16 hours ago

I understand as there have been folks who are vaccinated who have tested positive but being vaccinated does help. twilson117 16 hours ago

Hey Glenn twilson117 16 hours ago

Yes, it greatly reduces the odds of hospitalization, death and severe illness but not in all cases. Over 90% though. AdLib 16 hours ago

Hi glenn! Wonderful to see you! AdLib 16 hours ago

It’s a lot to consider. twilson117 16 hours ago

TW – Yep. The games will be streamed but it won’t be the same. Yet, I don’t want to catch Covid and having the games in FL is the worst situation for that. AdLib 16 hours ago

Ad I’m sure you’ll come up with a creative solution. twilson117 16 hours ago

Did you see the Surgeon General’s hearing in FL? He is a wackjob who is loyal only to promoting DeathSantis’ anti-vax BS. AdLib 16 hours ago

Hey PPO good to see you. twilson117 16 hours ago

Hey PPO! Nice to see you! AdLib 16 hours ago

Hi Ad, glenn, TW pinkpantheroz 16 hours ago

glenn – How is your grandaughter doing? AdLib 16 hours ago

Well, biggest news this week is there will be a black woman on the SCOTUS. Smallest news is that Republicans say it’s racist not to put another white person on SCOTUS. AdLib 16 hours ago

Hey Twiilson, Ad–Just popped in to ask you all to say hi to everyone for me. Feeling very tired tonight, so I can’t stay. I’ll read all about it tomorrow morning. Ad, hope your daughter makes it through the storm okay. Y’all take care give everyone some love from me. G’night. glenn 16 hours ago

You take care Glenn twilson117 16 hours ago

And the MSM is so happy to pour gasoline on racism in this country, giving validation to racist Repub complaints about wanting to put a black woman on the court. AdLib 16 hours ago

See you glenn. stay safe pinkpantheroz 16 hours ago

PPO–Hi and bye. Hope you’re doing well. glenn 16 hours ago

glenn – So glad you popped in! Thanks for the wishes about my daughter, I think she’ll be okay if not a bit more cold and soggy around the feet than she needed to be. AdLib 16 hours ago

Thanks, Twilson. glenn 16 hours ago

Ad my granddaughter is doing well, thanks for asking. glenn 16 hours ago

G’night glenn 16 hours ago

glenn – Glad to hear it. Was wondering if she’s still playing soccer in college. AdLib 16 hours ago

First, let me say the Repugs are a bunch of nitwits, second there isn’t much they can do about it, and lastly, well I can’t really say what I want to, so I will leave it that. twilson117 16 hours ago

TW – But the problem with a corporatized and corrupted press is that they breathe air into every cynical political ploy by Repubs because their bosses want conflict to build viewership which builds revenue. We are in a bad situation now with one party that is about treason and autocracy and the MSM that sees profits in promoting it. AdLib 16 hours ago

Not that I have any desire to help the Repugs, but if they would just take a beat there is a way they could increase their ranks if they really wanted to. twilson117 16 hours ago

Well, I’ve had, on top of everything else, a bit of drama at home. Melbourne had huge thunderstorms 2 weeks ago and my poor gutters couldn’t handle the huge hail and so 2 rooms flooded and my electric plugs spat out water! sp Imsurance forms and men all over checking it out. All seems weel,now. No structural damage from the water in the roof. pinkpantheroz 16 hours ago

Sorry to hear about that PPO. twilson117 16 hours ago

TW – The Repubs have jumped the shark. They are married to Trump and the extremist base and that’s incompatible with acting in a fair or reasonable way. The party was overthrown and all Repub pols are terrified of Trump and his base who run the party because all decent Repubs have stepped back from it. AdLib 16 hours ago

Willie Nelson and Dolly are pulling their music from Spotify. Dumb of them to out Neil Young. Big Mistake, Big, Huge! pinkpantheroz 16 hours ago

PPO – Oh no, that’s terrible! Glad all seems well now and no structural damage but pretty awful to go through. Has anything like this ever happened to you before? From big storms? AdLib 16 hours ago

PPO – Wow! I have been watching for more artists to pull out of Spotify, those are two big ones! I sure thought Pearl Jam would too since they’ve been so close to Young and see him as their inspiration. AdLib 16 hours ago

Ad I heard an interesting stat, it seems 54% of the US adults between 16 – 74 which is about 130 million people lack proiciency in literacy reading below the equivalent of a sixth-grade level. twilson117 16 hours ago

I saw the graph of Spotify’s tanking stock price, they are getting crushed. But what can they do? They’ve foolishly signed a long term, $100M agreement with Rogan that includes him having total creative control over his show. AdLib 16 hours ago

PPO did they give a reason why? Have to be honest, don’t listen to spotify but have to believe that is a big loss for them. twilson117 16 hours ago

Ad, Nope. this is the biggest storm I’ve ever known in Melbourne. there were a couple in Sydney almost as big, but it happened again yesterday! no sign of any leakages this time, DG. pinkpantheroz 16 hours ago

TW – How can that be? 54% of adults? This is the dream of the GOP, uneducated population they can manipulate. No wonder Trump wasn’t buried in 2020. AdLib 16 hours ago

TW, how about $5BILLION wiped off their stock in 3 days! Serves them right. BTW. the Kushners have a lot of stock there! Funny that pinkpantheroz 16 hours ago

PPO – That’s a relief that the house held up so well yesterday. But pols in so many countries are doing nothing to abate Climate Change and forcing the world’s population to be hammered harder and harder each year. This is kind of insane. AdLib 16 hours ago

PPO now that you shared that info about the Kushner’s hope more people leave. twilson117 16 hours ago

PPO – That’s pretty astounding. $5B wiped away because Spotify is too afraid to cancel a $100M contract with a social saboteur. AdLib 16 hours ago

And Kushner should get used to having his wealth taken away, the trials are coming. AdLib 16 hours ago

TW, Twitter showed proof yesterday. I wouldn’t report it otherwise. So, yeah, hopefully Spotify will tank even more. Sirius restarted Neil Young ‘ s music channel and it is currently No 1! pinkpantheroz 16 hours ago

TW – Yes, that is an extra incentive. My daughter had a Spotify paid account, we paid for it as a Christmas gift and I went to the site to cancel it but for some reason, she had already canceled it. Works for me. AdLib 16 hours ago

Well, I have some jazz on in the background, love my Sonos system. twilson117 16 hours ago

I have Sirius and have been listening to the Neil Young Channel (which is usually Deep Tracks) for the past two days. Very satisfying! And Apple Music put out an ad on Twitter that it has hi quality audio for Neil Young music, meanwhile Young has helped inform the public about Spotify’s low quality streaming. AdLib 16 hours ago

Ad what makes the stat I just stated bad is it’s not just repugs, at that level. twilson117 16 hours ago

Any major injuries with that bridge collapse, apart, of course from all the GOP diving for cover? pinkpantheroz 16 hours ago

TW – That’s what I play Sirius on, my Sonos system. And I always play jazz when we have holidays and (used to) have people over for dinner. AdLib 16 hours ago

PPO , I heard 10 people with minor injuries. It could have been worse. twilson117 16 hours ago

Ad, have he AccuRadio it has a good selection. twilson117 16 hours ago

TW – That is bad and you’re right, not just Repubs but I’d guess it includes a lot of people who don’t vote and many independents. Generally, Dems are decently educated and they don’t ban books or burn them or pass laws preventing the teaching of history because white people may feel guilty about having horrible ancestors. AdLib 16 hours ago

Ad, or try to deny voting rights. pinkpantheroz 16 hours ago

PPO – I haven’t heard of injuries from the bridge collapse aside to the GOP for failing and trying to block passage of infrastructure bills in the past which could have prevented that. AdLib 16 hours ago

Ad you’re correct about repugs wanted a dumber voter, it makes very easy to convince them to do the wrong thing, which is voting for them. twilson117 16 hours ago

Well, guys, forgive me but I have to depart. See you next week. glad to be back pinkpantheroz 16 hours ago

PPO you take care glad you jumped in today, and I hope everything works out for on your home. twilson117 16 hours ago

TW – I used TuneIn and still do, it’s free too. We got 1 year free of Sirius with our car so I’ve continued with it but have to negotiate them down to around $50/year each year when the promo expires. Still, it’s good and not very expensive at that rate. AdLib 16 hours ago

PPO – Take care, great to see you back at Vox! AdLib 16 hours ago

Thanks, Ad. MAybe see you and CL in July. More soon. pinkpantheroz 16 hours ago

TW – Remember Trump bragging about winning a majority of the “uneducated” voters? “I love the uneducated voters!” Not a mystery why he and the GOP love rubes and fools. AdLib 16 hours ago

I had a chance to sign up for Sirius but decided I didn’t need especially for my car as I’m no longer on the road as much as use to be. twilson117 16 hours ago

Oh! PPO might be coming back to California! That would be great! Maybe you and I can get together when I come out next to Boston? AdLib 16 hours ago

I didn’t get for the house because we were in the process of moving to where we are now so never saw the need. twilson117 16 hours ago

We haven’t been driving that much since Covid but before that, lots of long drives for remote softball tourneys, so glad I had it then. But TuneIn and AccuRadio can do the job too. AdLib 16 hours ago

But, there are some other free channels I can get, with Sonos, but AccuRadio is ok twilson117 16 hours ago

I had a trail package when I got the car I have now. It was nice to be able to listen to MSNBC when I was on the road. And I can see how it would make sense with all the driving you had to do. twilson117 16 hours ago

Wonder if Murph and CCL are going to show. twilson117 16 hours ago

I have to say the Jan 6th committee seems to be picking things up, and from what I’m reading Trump** is in a lot of trouble. twilson117 16 hours ago

I have just cut the cord with ATT on wireless, home phone and DirecTv after many, many years. Their sponsoring of OANN was part of the reason but they started this domino effect of stripping promotions from one service and making me spend hours of my time trying to fix it, I just left them for everything but internet (there are no better providers…yet). And it feels good, I’m paying much less and I won’t have to bargain with them annually (or more frequently) to get back promotions that expired or that they unilaterally removed. AdLib 16 hours ago

TW – CL has been here more frequently of late than Murph but you never know. Hope so but it’s getting later. AdLib 16 hours ago

Yes, it is getting late……as you might have guessed my life has gotten more complex of late. MurphTheSurf3 16 hours ago

Hello Ad and TW….. MurphTheSurf3 16 hours ago

Hey everyone! Sorry I’m late! choicelady 16 hours ago

Imagine what the 1/6 committee would have been like with the horrible Repubs on it that McCarthy wanted to stack it with, they were all witnesses or seditionists and involved in supporting 1/6. Pelosi and the Dems in The House were brilliant in preventing them from getting on the committee to sabotage it. AdLib 16 hours ago

Well we’re in an apartment complex and have then have a contract with the town and so we’re locked into the town electrical and power company for WiFi as well as TV. twilson117 16 hours ago

Hello Choice…I too just joined theparty. MurphTheSurf3 16 hours ago

HEY!!! We were just wondering if either of you would make it tonight and you both show up at once! How cool is that? AdLib 16 hours ago

Hey Murph you’re ears must have been burning I was asking Ad it you would show. twilson117 16 hours ago

Hi, Murph. We are late to the party. Sorry I missed PPO. choicelady 16 hours ago

I see that PPO was here tonght. Good. MurphTheSurf3 16 hours ago

Hey CL, twilson117 16 hours ago

What’s going on with each of you, CL and Murph? AdLib 15 hours ago

TW….I have a lot burning right now….. MurphTheSurf3 15 hours ago

Hi Ad and TW – good to see you. choicelady 15 hours ago

Wonderful to see you, CL! AdLib 15 hours ago

Great to see you Murph! AdLib 15 hours ago

Ad – I’m working still with the woman whose kid was taken by CPS. It’s a nightmare. choicelady 15 hours ago

CL – PPO alluded to maybe seeing you and me out here in CA in July! AdLib 15 hours ago

It’s why I’m late – we had a convoluted conversation about law and justice and how she can sue the shit out of CPS choicelady 15 hours ago

So CL & Murph what’s your latest take on what the Jan 6th committee is doing? And It looks like the Justice department may be looking into the fake electors. twilson117 15 hours ago

What’s going on? Well…….my state government keeps snatching defeat from the jaws of victory with COVID….Gov here decided not to renew the state of emergency which caused a series of procedures to lapse and now we have big bed shortages in the hospitals and drugs in short supply. MurphTheSurf3 15 hours ago

TW – I hope they are at least fair on their fees for service since they have a monopoly. AdLib 15 hours ago

Ad = I saw that from PPO. I’d be OVER THE MOON to see him here again. choicelady 15 hours ago

CL – Are there any updates on that CPS case? It seems Kafkaesque. AdLib 15 hours ago

Murph – I worry about y’all in MO. My other part of family are in OH and MA, and while MA isn’t a problem, OH is. Bue DeWine isn’t DeSantis, and they’re kind of holding their own. The Trumpists are trying to kill DeWine. But other than THAT… choicelady 15 hours ago

CL – So will she go ahead and sue CPS? She should. AdLib 15 hours ago

Ad, it’s a sore subject with me since I have Verizon for the same price but with more options. twilson117 15 hours ago

Tw…..I think the Jan 6 committee is doing its job but when the House returns to GOP control it will be for nought…..The DOJ will be able to march on and get quite a bit done but the GOP is much more concerned about costs to their political capital than the idiots who are canon fodder for them and their c auses. MurphTheSurf3 15 hours ago

Ad – too long a story for here. I’ll tell you in VERY long email! choicelady 15 hours ago

TW – DOJ and the 1/6 committee are working in concert w a good division of labor. I am THRILLED they’re tagging fake electors., The latter will sing. Then heads will roll. All good. choicelady 15 hours ago

Murph – So what do you think the actual thought process is for the Gov and Repubs in the state. Just blind rejection of what Trump and the RW connect to Dems like vaccines and masks? Or trying to keep Covid going to attack Biden for not ending it? Repubs are dying at a far higher rate now, how is that a good outcome for them? AdLib 15 hours ago

CL Baker isn’t a radical repug. He is someone that can be worked with. He’s not running for reelection so it’s going to be interesting. twilson117 15 hours ago

And just to toss another log on the fire….an attorney friend thinks that the Dems will fail in getting a SCOTUS replacement for Breyer…..he thinks that Sinema and Mancin will do their Master’s bidding, McConnell. MurphTheSurf3 15 hours ago

CL – Smae here, that was such a wonderful time, far too short, with you me and PPO. I wonder if more folks would be game for coming out to CA over the Summer for a PlanetPOV GetTogether? AdLib 15 hours ago

Murph – I’m not at all sure the House or Senate will go GOP. Even with gerrymandering which both Mark Elias and DOJ are shooting down regularly. We have SEVERAL states derailed on their maps. More to come. choicelady 15 hours ago

Murph and TW should come out to CA then too! AdLib 15 hours ago

Ad – ROAD TRIP??? Anyone not up for that is a poop. A chance to meet and know PPO? Worth everything. choicelady 15 hours ago

The governor’s action is a logical outcome when he and his allies have been saying that all of the emergency measures were no longer needed because COVID was under control with fewer and fewer deaths over. A silly simplicification but it fits their narrative. MurphTheSurf3 15 hours ago

Murph, I hear you around the midterms, but, one can always hope for a miricale. twilson117 15 hours ago

TW – Right, that’s usually the problem with monopolies. Out here in CA, the state regulates utilities and their prices, same out there? AdLib 15 hours ago

CL…I think we are up to 35 House Dems who are not running for reelection….they are reading the writing on the wall. I fear. MurphTheSurf3 15 hours ago

TW – I am not sure a miracle is needed. From GA last year to special elections and state offices, Dems are sweeping the field. This is without much fanfare. I think we have MORE chance than we realized. 70% if the electorate do NOT want Trump 2024, and it’s got trickle down to local races. choicelady 15 hours ago

Murph – Isn’t it so telling that the GOP refuses to tell America what it would do if put back in power in Congress. They are about nothing other than power and oppression now. AdLib 15 hours ago

Murph -that isn’t a problem for me. It’s an opportunity. choicelady 15 hours ago

Look at the number of GOP not running, too. Opportunity. choicelady 15 hours ago

CL – Thanks, I’m curious about the latest on what CPS is doing to destroy the lives of a mother and her child. AdLib 15 hours ago

I will put this out, I know Kevin McCarthy thinks he is a lock for Speaker, if they win, but, I’m telling you, the motor mouth from Ohio is going to shive him and become the Speaker and McCarthy will never see it coming. twilson117 15 hours ago

I do think that the GOP leadership is working to jettison Trump ….. he is too wild a card……but will DeSantis be any good? Not for the nation. MurphTheSurf3 15 hours ago

Oh, Ad – it’s segued into more hell than you can know. Now we are suing her attorney, too. LONG email. choicelady 15 hours ago

Murph – DeSantis is tanking IN Florida. Keep pounding on him. He’s disgusting. choicelady 15 hours ago

Same here, very pleased the 1/6 Committee and the DoJ are going after the fake electors. Repubs whine about election fraud to demonize PoC and pass oppressive voting laws but they are the ones committing blatant and serious election fraud. The fake electors need to be prosecuted and imprisoned to scare Repubs about trying that again. AdLib 15 hours ago

Ad…the GOP’s campaign strategy is saying nothing specific about their plans letting blind attacks and empty patriotic sounding gibberish fill the void. They are defined by who they are against and what they hate AND that is very attractive to their base. MurphTheSurf3 15 hours ago

TW – the GOP are NOT taking House or Senate. Just are not. choicelady 15 hours ago

CL, you seem to have more insight as to what is taking place, the news hounds have given the House and Senate to the Repugs, and no elections have been held yet they are going off past traditions. twilson117 15 hours ago

When every local/state office race now is going major Dem, not boding well for GOP victories in midterms. choicelady 15 hours ago

Murph – I detest Manchin and Sinema but as low as my opinion is of them, they have voted 100% for Biden’s judge nominees, I think they will do so on this one of the historic nature of the first black woman on the SCOTUS. AdLib 15 hours ago

CL…I accept your insights regarding the wave of elections and court decisions that have tilted Democratic but I fear that the mechanism the GOP is putting into place will undo much of that. MurphTheSurf3 15 hours ago

The pundits are assholes. VA has always flipped, and Youngwhatever is already in the toilet for pretending to be rational and turning out NOT. VA has always, for almost 50 years, flipped back and forth. NOW people are pissed at Youngwhatever for lying. choicelady 15 hours ago

Ad…I did not know about those two backing Biden’s court picks …..so maybe I am catastrophizing. MurphTheSurf3 15 hours ago

CL – And don’t forget the impact that indictments against many Trumper Repubs over 1/6 and election fraud could do to turn the public strongly against voting GOP. AdLib 15 hours ago

Note than between Mark Elias, NAACP, and DOJ, many laws benefitting the GOP have been squashed. Five states, and it’s only January. choicelady 15 hours ago

CL – Yep! TW could pick up Murph on his way out here! AdLib 15 hours ago

CL – I appreciate your hopeful, fact based perspective. MurphTheSurf3 15 hours ago

Ad – Yup. People may not have 1/6 at the top of their concerns, but the findings are eroding ANY “worried middle” concerns mightily. choicelady 15 hours ago

Murph – if the sweep of Dem victories had not occured this month, I’d not be so sanguine. But they HAVE, and nobody thought that would happen. choicelady 15 hours ago

Road Trip! If only……I haven’t said a thing a bout the association (formerly the Co-op)…..a mess….again….. MurphTheSurf3 15 hours ago

Murph – what’s up in MO? choicelady 15 hours ago

CL DeSantis thinks by acting like Trump** it will get him the Presidency, but, the thing about Trump** is what you see with him is what you get. Trump** have been doing what he does all his life, DeSantis is no Trump**. twilson117 15 hours ago

DeSantis is not even DeSantis. He doesn’t know who he is. choicelady 15 hours ago

Murph what twilson117 15 hours ago

What’ twilson117 15 hours ago

TW – Agreed, there are too many mercenary and extremist Repubs in The House who want to step over McCarthy to take power, I think it could be a inter-party bloodbath. AdLib 15 hours ago

What’s going on with the association? twilson117 15 hours ago

CL…did you catch my note about the ending of the state of emergency here was a set off a medical crisis….? MurphTheSurf3 15 hours ago

Murph – yes. I will go aback and read more. choicelady 15 hours ago

Ad I hope so it’s always good to see Repugs eat their own. twilson117 15 hours ago

The GOP are killing people. That tends to brass people off. choicelady 15 hours ago

CL every now and then reports leak through on how folks are not happy with the Repubs and their constant lying and putting them in harms way twilson117 15 hours ago

TW – we have a totally effed-up media. LOCALLY people are seeing the evil in the Rethugs. It matters. choicelady 15 hours ago

TW…..efforts to cut the ground out beneath our feet by a number of players (old Co-Op members, random business people, and the state’s farm bureau are making for a lot of work…..my guess…..the Black members have set off a Obama Reaction and resurrected my label as a revolutionary. MurphTheSurf3 15 hours ago

Murph – and here you thought you were merely a retired, quiet former history prof. Nope. Revolutionary just because you believe in democracy and the promise of America. You FIEND! choicelady 15 hours ago

I saw that poll out this week showing Biden ahead of Desantis by 8% and ahead of Trump by 10% in 2024. So the MSM’s beating down of Biden will ultimately fail when it’s a choice of a hateful authoritarian or a demcracy-supporting Biden. Dems need to run on being the only party to keep America a democracy. Use 1/6, Repub election fraud and lies and the coming prosecutions and indictments. Trump is likely to be charged within a year, many other Repubs sooner. AdLib 15 hours ago

Murph, it sounds like you’re being successful without the shall we say, not highly insightful, and they can’t handle it. twilson117 15 hours ago

CL…yep, that me….fiend! MurphTheSurf3 15 hours ago

Ad – AMEn and pass the ammunition! choicelady 15 hours ago

Murph – I love you anyway, fiend or not. choicelady 15 hours ago

Murph as a History Prof, it’s in your nature to be a revolutionary, viva revolution. twilson117 15 hours ago

TW…the trick is that the association needs to be able to work with a lot of people to succeed and avenues are being closed off to us. MurphTheSurf3 15 hours ago

Murph – What the hell? How are the ex-co-op racists trying to undermine your alliance? AdLib 15 hours ago

Because my Twitter handle is “churchlady”, I have two or three allies like you, Murph, who periodically stupidly ask my blessing. Barking up the wrong tree – but hell, why not? YOU have my blessing. Your doing justice. That is what is needed. choicelady 15 hours ago

Ad are those number solid for the moment? twilson117 15 hours ago

CL MurphTheSurf3 15 hours ago

choicelady 15 hours ago

CL…Churchlady…gotta luv that….but yeah! I would ask for your blessing as an intellectual grace. MurphTheSurf3 15 hours ago

I can feel the love! AdLib 15 hours ago

Murph, typical, but I feel they may be in for a suprise. twilson117 15 hours ago

It is always yours, Murph. I’m wearing out, fighting for homeless folks here, and if I can bless your work, thank YOU for that. choicelady 15 hours ago

Ad – it’s very real here. Unlike Twitter where the “fast block” is my salvation, PPOC is where reality lives and justice reigns. choicelady 15 hours ago

Ad….for the association to work (as the co-op did) we have to interact with a lot of people, institutions, and commercial ventures…….we are finding closed doors and efforts to challenge the legitimacy of the association… MurphTheSurf3 15 hours ago

Murph – We learned from not being to claim victory after the 1970’s that the fight is neverending. No matter what good things are accomplished, there will always be the same faction trying to undo progress and drag America back to worse times. We never get to enjoy our successes, we have to keep fighting the good fight (my fellow revolutionary) along the way. AdLib 15 hours ago

You folks are ALL a source of comfort and hope for me….. MurphTheSurf3 15 hours ago

Murph – I wish I believed in a God who would send down “smiting” on the fools and mountebanks. I’ll work on it. I do NOT have an “in”, however. choicelady 15 hours ago

The forces of RW hegemony have been present in America since 1789. We err in thinking we’ve defeated them ever. choicelady 15 hours ago

CL…..if there is a God, he/she/it is an underacheiver. MurphTheSurf3 15 hours ago

TW – I don’t know of many polls out right now about 2024 prospects, it was one poll. There was a poll out this week from Mark Penn who is such a tool, that gave Biden very low approval numbers but I wouldn’t give anything he touched any credibility. He is corrupt as they come. AdLib 15 hours ago

Murph – that’s the weakness of “free will”. Yeah, we have agency. Bah – we don’t have a Supreme Judge to knock the asshats senseless. choicelady 15 hours ago

Ad sound like there is a need to think about it differently, I mean coming at the problem from an out of the box angle one the co-op folks have never seen or thought of before. twilson117 15 hours ago

Ad – the overall approval from dull sites is actually pretty good for Biden and SUCKS for any GOP. choicelady 15 hours ago

Well said, CL! AdLib 15 hours ago

Murph – So are they trying to push the meme that the association isn’t legit? AdLib 15 hours ago

CL…as I have shared before…I am basically a non-deist Episcopalian…I believe in Jesus as prophet voice and visionary who, like Siddartha Guatama, was refitted as a god by his followers. MurphTheSurf3 15 hours ago

I have no sense of God as an actor but maybe the life force of good. Similar to Rev.Dr. MLK, Jr. But there are times I wish he was a bearded old guy with lightening bolts. choicelady 15 hours ago

Ad- yes, there are some legal challenges in the works. MurphTheSurf3 15 hours ago

Ad I’m thinking any polls right now are about as good as three dollar bill. twilson117 15 hours ago

CL – And as long as Dems make elections about a choice between fascists and small “d” democrats, approval polls are less meaningful. AdLib 15 hours ago

CL…the problem with a God-Agent who is in charge is that so much is such a mess…..not the image that comes with the label of Almighty and Merciful God of Love. MurphTheSurf3 15 hours ago

Murph – Hate to say it but sometimes you have to confront legal challenges against you with starting legal challenges against them. AdLib 15 hours ago

Murph – Amen. My “gospel” is Christopher Moores’ “Lamb” a bawdy and raucous story of the “missing years” of Jesus’ history. It’s absolutely heretical and wonderful and resolves in almost tearful wonderfulness. And then answers a really bad joke. Last line. I wrote to Moore to thank him. His novel is being taught in divinity schools it’s that good. Recommend it highly. choicelady 15 hours ago

Ad – again, free will. Nobody ever said we’d not make a botch of it. choicelady 15 hours ago

CL no you don’t want a bead guy with lightening bolts, he was crazy and his wife Hera was the jealous type. twilson117 15 hours ago

Ad…unfortunately in small town, rural Mo. the mechanisms that oversee matters of legality are largely owned by those who are philosophically opposed to things like the Co-Op/Association. MurphTheSurf3 15 hours ago

TW – I only want that bearded guy on take off and landing. And I want him on MY SIDE. choicelady 15 hours ago

TW – Yes, I agree. Polls now are so far outside the reality we will be in this Nov or in 2024. By this Nov, I think the plethora of indictments against Repubs related to 1/6 and overthrowing the election along with other criminality, like Gaetz and the Trumps will be facing, will so degrade the label of “GOP” that their odds will tank. AdLib 15 hours ago

Murph – I am sorry. We should talk because while I have ZERO knowledge of ag, I might see a path. It is the thing I do particularly well. Or not. I’ll email offline. choicelady 15 hours ago

Cl well when you’re in the sky in flying tube I can understand. twilson117 15 hours ago

TW – it’s my only conventional religion until 10,000 feet. Then I relax and stop fretting. choicelady 15 hours ago

CL..on your recommendation I will look it up. I have a friend who is Buddhist Historian who says that Siddartha was absorbed into a series of agencies who took control by divinizing him. MurphTheSurf3 15 hours ago

CL – Yep, free will but at the same time, a lack of free will through manipulation of the ignorant against their own interests. So it is and it isn’t free will. Trumpers are lemmings, cultists and cults remove your free will and replace it with mindless obedience. AdLib 15 hours ago

Ad – I think the more the wretched mess is revealed, the fewer numbers of people in doubt exist. choicelady 15 hours ago

CL…I would be interested in your insights….I have an attorney involved now. MurphTheSurf3 15 hours ago

Ad – we all have influences. There is huge difference between that and manipulation. People are leaving Trumpism, not just the guy. Same as are walking away from the religious right. choicelady 15 hours ago

Murph – glad to hear that! choicelady 15 hours ago

Murph – I see. What about considering a federal suit, framing this as it really is, as an attempt to prevent PoC from making a living the way white people can? AdLib 15 hours ago

Murph is it distribution, customers, any possibility of sell your fresh goods outside your area or doing something like Fresh Meals, just spit balling here but something tells me there is a way around the knuckle heads you’re dealing where you and the other can be successful with a bit of out of the box thinking. twilson117 15 hours ago

OK dear friends – the shoulder is seizing up AGAIN. It’s getting better, but fast typing really does a number on it. I will see you all next Friday, God willing and the creek don’t rise. In the meantime be well and we shall talk off Vox. Hugs to you all. choicelady 15 hours ago

Take care CL twilson117 15 hours ago

CL – With you on that, as the 1/6 committee starts its prime time public hearings, I think many will be shocked and disgusted when they learn about how big the plot was to overthrow our democracy. AdLib 15 hours ago

CL and Ad…good questions and comments…..very small towns, rural counties, troglodyte run state government make unfriendly actions easier to put into play. MurphTheSurf3 15 hours ago

Coming up on 10:30….my day starts at 6 tomorrow so I must s ay adieu! So good being part of an intelligent and caring conversation. Thank you. MurphTheSurf3 15 hours ago

Murph you know the players, is it time to do something they would least expect? twilson117 15 hours ago

Murph – Right, just wondering if the association could put the money together to ask a civil rights lawyer about any federal grounds you may have to sue them for trying to prevent your ability to do business? Should just require a few hours of a lawyer’s time. AdLib 15 hours ago

TW….I have to be care that I do not push the uninvolved into opposition. MurphTheSurf3 15 hours ago

Get some rest then, Murph. Hope you have a very productive day tomorrow! Look forward to seeing you and TW carpool out here to meetup with CL, me and PPO in July! AdLib 15 hours ago

Ad….I have to be careful that I do not further inflame the opposition and spread the attack…any mention of the fed, or of suits will do just that. MurphTheSurf3 15 hours ago

Ad….Carpool! Love it! MurphTheSurf3 15 hours ago

Murph understand, but just asking, if you found another source to buy from you what could they really do? twilson117 15 hours ago

Murph – You’re the best judge on how to proceed, just wanted to suggest another path if the local courts may be slanted against you. AdLib 15 hours ago

TW – I think you make a great point, they could look outside of the box, to fresh food delivery services, out of state distributors, etc. AdLib 15 hours ago

Well it’s down to you and me Ad, but only for a moment. I’m wondering if there isn’t something that Murph could do. twilson117 15 hours ago

That’s what I was thinking. There will be some costs associated with it but, it puts them in a different market. And people love fresh vegs. twilson117 15 hours ago

You made some solid suggestions, I just tried to offer legal paths for them. We’ll see where it goes but I think your approach to solving the issue of distribution is very smart. AdLib 15 hours ago

Hell, I think he could find some local tech nerds to design them a website or even build them and app, but there will be some money required for some of these changes. twilson117 15 hours ago

There are so many meal service companies, that could be a path. Maybe newer distributors outside their area for fresh produce. Hell, we get fruit and veggies from South America here when they’re out of season in the US. So shipping produce to other states is a much smaller lift. AdLib 15 hours ago

Sure. Main thing to me is that they look outside the regular buyers/distributors so this will never be a problem in the future. AdLib 15 hours ago

It’s often hard to think of new avenues when you’re feeling pressure as it seems Murph is. twilson117 15 hours ago

The local buyers/distributors that is. AdLib 15 hours ago

Sometimes, that’s when you get more aggressive about finding other ways. AdLib 15 hours ago

I don’t envy Murph trying to fight the good fight in backwards MO. AdLib 15 hours ago

Or you get too boughed down from the pressure. twilson117 15 hours ago

Yep but when you have a group around you, it can help get things done for everyone to pitch in on investigating options. AdLib 15 hours ago

I hear you on that. twilson117 15 hours ago

Much harder to deal with this kind of assault on your business when you’re the only one in charge. AdLib 15 hours ago

He and the others may have to fight on multiple fronts, but taking it outside of what they’re used to could be a potential way of changing how they deliver product. I don’t get it’s growing it’s distribution and the customer base. As you said it’s a small town so I’m guessing they all sell to the same set of clients. twilson117 15 hours ago

Good points. They could try thinking outside the box, not selling to local entities but other states, even other countries. AdLib 15 hours ago

We need to know more. For every problem there is at least several solutions, you just have to find the one that works for you. We’re both IT guys we know that. twilson117 15 hours ago

Exactly! And sometimes you’re too close to the issue that you get tunnelvision. It helps to take a step back and ask, “What other avenues could I pursue to solve this problem?” AdLib 15 hours ago

Murph was offering a lot of other things beside his crops, I have to believe there is some synergy between it all. twilson117 14 hours ago

Yes, it’s more work at the outset to find a better way of doing business but it pays off so much after that. AdLib 14 hours ago

Maybe we could talk with him and help him guide him to a solution he and the others would be comfortable with. twilson117 14 hours ago

Good suggestion. Maybe we could set up a call with him to brainstorm? AdLib 14 hours ago

Works for me. I don’t like bullies. twilson117 14 hours ago

Same here, makes me mad. That’s why my first suggestion was to fight fire with fire but I appreciate Murph’s point about the RW corruting the courts out there. AdLib 14 hours ago

Yes, it sounds like they are using their size, money and connections as a form of intimidation. Also thinking they have the market to themselves. As we’re saying it may be time to go around them and develop a new market. The just have to be open to new ideas and willing to know they are capable of thinking outside the box. twilson117 14 hours ago

I think you’ve nailed it. AdLib 14 hours ago

The task is getting Murph to talk to us so we can have better idea of what he and the others are dealing with. twilson117 14 hours ago

Right, I don’t think that will be an issue though, I think he would openly speak with us. AdLib 14 hours ago

Why don’t we talk next week and get our thoughts together and then see if we can talk with Murph , by the way do you have a number for him? twilson117 14 hours ago

That sounds good. And yes, I have Murph’s phone number so no problem. AdLib 14 hours ago